Another major difference is: How many gays do you see being killed by christians because they are gay? Not a whole hell of a lot...how many people do you see being put to death by Muslims because they don't hold the same beliefs...a hell of a lot. It's a capital crime to convert from Islam in most Arab nations...punishable by DEATH.
As for abortion bombings...there is always great public outcry when a right wing extremist group bombs or kills anything in the name of God...I'm not sure where you are getting that from. Again it's a difference in Doctrine.
Again, hard for me to puff out my big American chest on this one, because I live in the country that incarcerates a higher percentage of its citizens than any other nation on the planet, and executes more of its citizens than any other democracy.
That's definitely a difference in doctrine ... but my English and Dutch friends still speak to me, despite what they regard as the rather barbaric nature of American penology.
Originally posted by KzinKiller Originally posted by Draenor
Another major difference is: How many gays do you see being killed by christians because they are gay? Not a whole hell of a lot...how many people do you see being put to death by Muslims because they don't hold the same beliefs...a hell of a lot. It's a capital crime to convert from Islam in most Arab nations...punishable by DEATH. As for abortion bombings...there is always great public outcry when a right wing extremist group bombs or kills anything in the name of God...I'm not sure where you are getting that from. Again it's a difference in Doctrine.
Again, hard for me to puff out my big American chest on this one, because I live in the country that incarcerates a higher percentage of its citizens than any other nation on the planet, and executes more of its citizens than any other democracy.
That's definitely a difference in doctrine ... but my English and Dutch friends still speak to me, despite what they regard as the rather barbaric nature of American penology.
Possibly so, but it still pales in comparison to the "justice" system in Arabic nations. We also end up spending a TON more money than other nations on our prisons...perhaps you are right and we should adopt their systems...though I don't know enough about what exactly it is that they do over there to make a vehament argument about it. The Death penalty is something that I struggle with as a Christian. Though I have never been a fan of "we'll cure you in prison and then you can be set free" There are just too many convicted sex offenders that get out and repeat their offences...I don't know what it's like in other countries, but it's deffenitely a problem here.
Another major difference is: How many gays do you see being killed by christians because they are gay? Not a whole hell of a lot...how many people do you see being put to death by Muslims because they don't hold the same beliefs...a hell of a lot. It's a capital crime to convert from Islam in most Arab nations...punishable by DEATH.
As for abortion bombings...there is always great public outcry when a right wing extremist group bombs or kills anything in the name of God...I'm not sure where you are getting that from. Again it's a difference in Doctrine.
Again, hard for me to puff out my big American chest on this one, because I live in the country that incarcerates a higher percentage of its citizens than any other nation on the planet, and executes more of its citizens than any other democracy.
That's definitely a difference in doctrine ... but my English and Dutch friends still speak to me, despite what they regard as the rather barbaric nature of American penology.
Again, hard for me to puff out my big American chest on this one, because I live in the country that incarcerates a higher percentage of its citizens than any other nation on the planet, and executes more of its citizens than any other democracy.
That's definitely a difference in doctrine ... but my English and Dutch friends still speak to me, despite what they regard as the rather barbaric nature of American penology.
Possibly so, but it still pales in comparison to the "justice" system in Arabic nations. We also end up spending a TON more money than other nations on our prisons...perhaps you are right and we should adopt their systems...though I don't know enough about what exactly it is that they do over there to make a vehament argument about it. The Death penalty is something that I struggle with as a Christian. Though I have never been a fan of "we'll cure you in prison and then you can be set free"
There are just too many convicted sex offenders that get out and repeat their offences...I don't know what it's like in other countries, but it's deffenitely a problem here.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Give them the reason they are all looking for. They aren't looking for any apology, they are just looking for a justification to hate.
Until those people personally understand exactly what the enmity of the Catholic faith entails we will just keep seeing hystrionics. The best thing the Vatican can do is educate them.
You can't reason with some people, it is a mistake to try.
Another major difference is: How many gays do you see being killed by christians because they are gay? Not a whole hell of a lot...how many people do you see being put to death by Muslims because they don't hold the same beliefs...a hell of a lot. It's a capital crime to convert from Islam in most Arab nations...punishable by DEATH.
As for abortion bombings...there is always great public outcry when a right wing extremist group bombs or kills anything in the name of God...I'm not sure where you are getting that from. Again it's a difference in Doctrine.
Again, hard for me to puff out my big American chest on this one, because I live in the country that incarcerates a higher percentage of its citizens than any other nation on the planet, and executes more of its citizens than any other democracy.
That's definitely a difference in doctrine ... but my English and Dutch friends still speak to me, despite what they regard as the rather barbaric nature of American penology.
I don't actually see or even hear about any Muslims being killed for converting. None at all. I can't speak for anyone else. (No doubt, now that I have mentioned it, some bright spark will attempt to show me).
My current favourite anachronism of the American legal system is chain gangs. In some of the prisons they enslave you. Force you to work for no pay. Chain your legs together and everything. Just like in Roman times.
I was watching this show on TV where the head of the British Police service was being shown round an American prison. Now we're not exactly reknowned for our own prison systems, and like the U.S. we imprison a far higher proportion of our citizenship than most, but this bloke was gobsmacked. He was having a hard time getting his head around the female chain gang he was watching. Brilliant TV. Culture shock at it's best. Gobsmacked, he couldn't speak.
I saw another show about Brazillian prisons and another about Danish ones. Those people are just so civilised. It's a different world.
I don't actually see or even hear about any Muslims being killed for converting. None at all. I can't speak for anyone else. (No doubt, now that I have mentioned it, some bright spark will attempt to show me).
The hell of a lot of people I see being put to death for converting from Islam, turns out to be one obscure link on the internet that only you has seen?
Doesn't really compare well to the amount that I've heard about Alien Abductions. Or Anti Gravity Rays. In fact I believe it's more widely held that Elvis lives, than what you are trying sell.
I think your opinion has neither a sense of proportion or a realistic perspective. In short it is propaganda, an exageration of the truth used to vilify ones enemies. Muslims are not my enemies.
Originally posted by Ulujain Islam is a 1300 year old religion. Where was Christianity circa 1300 AD? Yeah right...
So I guess that means we can expect a Scientology Crusades with Tom Cruise at the helm in another 1200 years?! YAYyyyy I Can't wait
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2'nd- The media see's reporting about every incident of muslim extermism is good ratings.
3'rd- Everybody now believes muslim extremism is common.
Ahhh social engineering at it's best....
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these people are hard to understand, narrrow minded and very very dangerous. kids don't try this at home.. although there are some that are nice but one bad action from one of them then they will be all branded the same..people tend to descriminate but who can blame them..
Originally posted by Theodoryk Originally posted by Ulujain Islam is a 1300 year old religion. Where was Christianity circa 1300 AD? Yeah right...Ummm....and your point is?
My point is (quite crystal clear, I would've thought), is that 1300 years after Christianity's founding, it wasn't a particularly enlightened religion with liberal beliefs and values either. In fact, it was worse than what Islam is at the present.
So, it cracks me up accordingly when I hear enlightened and peaceful Christians slam someone else's religion, which is precisely what the Pope was doing, one way or the other.
My point is (quite crystal clear, I would've thought), is that 1300 years after Christianity's founding, it wasn't a particularly enlightened religion with liberal beliefs and values either. In fact, it was worse than what Islam is at the present.
So, it cracks me up accordingly when I hear enlightened and peaceful Christians slam someone else's religion, which is precisely what the Pope was doing, one way or the other.
I'm sorry, why does it crack you up? I hope you're not suggesting that christians can't comment on threats, brutality, etc, stemming from another group in the present, because of historical wrongs. Americans shouldn't speak out against slavery and racisim? After all, the US has plenty of it in it's history. It's called learning from history, not being gagged by it. And no, the Pope wasn't slamming Islam.
Originally posted by lardmouth Originally posted by Ulujain
My point is (quite crystal clear, I would've thought), is that 1300 years after Christianity's founding, it wasn't a particularly enlightened religion with liberal beliefs and values either. In fact, it was worse than what Islam is at the present.
So, it cracks me up accordingly when I hear enlightened and peaceful Christians slam someone else's religion, which is precisely what the Pope was doing, one way or the other.
I'm sorry, why does it crack you up? I hope you're not suggesting that christians can't comment on threats, brutality, etc, stemming from another group in the present, because of historical wrongs. Americans shouldn't speak out against slavery and racisim? After all, the US has plenty of it in it's history. It's called learning from history, not being gagged by it. And no, the Pope wasn't slamming Islam.
Originally posted by baff That's it? The hell of a lot of people I see being put to death for converting from Islam, turns out to be one obscure link on the internet that only you has seen? Doesn't really compare well to the amount that I've heard about Alien Abductions. Or Anti Gravity Rays. In fact I believe it's more widely held that Elvis lives, than what you are trying sell. I think your opinion has neither a sense of proportion or a realistic perspective. In short it is propaganda, an exageration of the truth used to vilify ones enemies. Muslims are not my enemies.
These are but examples. Apostacy, honor killings, etc, are damn common. They are major issues according to various human rights orginizations. By the way, the link he provided may have been obscure, but that particular story was widely reported.
Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by lardmouth I would argue that Isamic law in some nations is as harsh, if not harsher, than the Christian period you speak of. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/5217424.stm
Ok hold on man, this news is BS.
first, there can't be adultery in Iran, because they have the Mut'a Marriage, and anyone can say i am married without any papers.
Second of ALL which is the MOST important, executing someone for commetting adultery, specially if he or she was not married is NOT in Islam.
so this Sharia crap the BBC is throwing is crap and is not true :}
because in Islamic Sharia Adulterers are whipped, not executed.
because your religion doesnt support execution for adultury does not mean a 16 year old girl wasnt hanged in a square.
Just like because your religion doesnt support violence in general doesnt mean people arent willing to kill in cold blood for it.
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Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by lardmouth I would argue that Isamic law in some nations is as harsh, if not harsher, than the Christian period you speak of. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/5217424.stm
Ok hold on man, this news is BS.
first, there can't be adultery in Iran, because they have the Mut'a Marriage, and anyone can say i am married without any papers.
Second of ALL which is the MOST important, executing someone for commetting adultery, specially if he or she was not married is NOT in Islam.
so this Sharia crap the BBC is throwing is crap and is not true :}
because in Islamic Sharia Adulterers are whipped, not executed.
Originally posted by Aelfinn because your religion doesnt support execution for adultury does not mean a 16 year old girl wasnt hanged in a square. Just like because your religion doesnt support violence in general doesnt mean people arent willing to kill in cold blood for it.
Not all Muslims are aware of the full teachings of Islam, you're blaming people which is relevant, and is in place, but blaming the religion for what it's practicers do and claim it's from that religion is total ignorance.
I don't blame the native indian massacre that the christians were responsible of on christianity, i blame those fools who commited this homocide.
Originally posted by outfctrl "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached," Soon after, this happens. NABLUS, West Bank - Two West Bank Christian churches were hit by firebombs early Saturday, and a group claiming responsibility said it was protesting Pope Benedict XVI’s remarks about Islam. Christian churches in the Middle East are vandalized, a Catholic nun in Africa is killed and Muslims have demanded that the pope convert to Islam – all because he read a quote from a medieval text that described Islam as "evil and inhuman." The pope has issued an apology for even referencing the historic text, emphasized that those views are not his, but still many in the Islamic world are demanding blood. A new group called "The sword of Islam" contacted reporters and said it had fired gunshots at a Christian church in the Middle East during a demonstration over the comments. We want to make it clear that if the pope does not appear on TV and apologize for his comments, "we will blow up all of Gaza's churches," the group said in a report. What kind of crap is that? These people are total wackos. The Pope was right and had the guts to say it.
only remedy to the situation is to Nuke the middle east back to the cave man days.
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Another major difference is: How many gays do you see being killed by christians because they are gay? Not a whole hell of a lot...how many people do you see being put to death by Muslims because they don't hold the same beliefs...a hell of a lot. It's a capital crime to convert from Islam in most Arab nations...punishable by DEATH.
As for abortion bombings...there is always great public outcry when a right wing extremist group bombs or kills anything in the name of God...I'm not sure where you are getting that from. Again it's a difference in Doctrine.
Again, hard for me to puff out my big American chest on this one, because I live in the country that incarcerates a higher percentage of its citizens than any other nation on the planet, and executes more of its citizens than any other democracy.
That's definitely a difference in doctrine ... but my English and Dutch friends still speak to me, despite what they regard as the rather barbaric nature of American penology.
Another major difference is: How many gays do you see being killed by christians because they are gay? Not a whole hell of a lot...how many people do you see being put to death by Muslims because they don't hold the same beliefs...a hell of a lot. It's a capital crime to convert from Islam in most Arab nations...punishable by DEATH.
As for abortion bombings...there is always great public outcry when a right wing extremist group bombs or kills anything in the name of God...I'm not sure where you are getting that from. Again it's a difference in Doctrine.
Again, hard for me to puff out my big American chest on this one, because I live in the country that incarcerates a higher percentage of its citizens than any other nation on the planet, and executes more of its citizens than any other democracy.
That's definitely a difference in doctrine ... but my English and Dutch friends still speak to me, despite what they regard as the rather barbaric nature of American penology.
Again, hard for me to puff out my big American chest on this one, because I live in the country that incarcerates a higher percentage of its citizens than any other nation on the planet, and executes more of its citizens than any other democracy.
That's definitely a difference in doctrine ... but my English and Dutch friends still speak to me, despite what they regard as the rather barbaric nature of American penology.
Possibly so, but it still pales in comparison to the "justice" system in Arabic nations. We also end up spending a TON more money than other nations on our prisons...perhaps you are right and we should adopt their systems...though I don't know enough about what exactly it is that they do over there to make a vehament argument about it. The Death penalty is something that I struggle with as a Christian. Though I have never been a fan of "we'll cure you in prison and then you can be set free"
There are just too many convicted sex offenders that get out and repeat their offences...I don't know what it's like in other countries, but it's deffenitely a problem here.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
3 Strikes laws..
Drug Policy
The impossibly difficult web of the justice system.
Those are the reasons that we have the most people incarcerated than any other nation on Earth.
MORE THAN CHINA, A COUNTRY WITH A BILLION PEOPLE, WHERE IF YOU SAY ANYTHING AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT, YOU ARE LOCKED UP!!!!
The Pope should call for a crusade.
Give them the reason they are all looking for. They aren't looking for any apology, they are just looking for a justification to hate.
Until those people personally understand exactly what the enmity of the Catholic faith entails we will just keep seeing hystrionics. The best thing the Vatican can do is educate them.
You can't reason with some people, it is a mistake to try.
I don't actually see or even hear about any Muslims being killed for converting. None at all. I can't speak for anyone else. (No doubt, now that I have mentioned it, some bright spark will attempt to show me).
My current favourite anachronism of the American legal system is chain gangs. In some of the prisons they enslave you. Force you to work for no pay. Chain your legs together and everything. Just like in Roman times.
I was watching this show on TV where the head of the British Police service was being shown round an American prison. Now we're not exactly reknowned for our own prison systems, and like the U.S. we imprison a far higher proportion of our citizenship than most, but this bloke was gobsmacked. He was having a hard time getting his head around the female chain gang he was watching. Brilliant TV. Culture shock at it's best. Gobsmacked, he couldn't speak.
I saw another show about Brazillian prisons and another about Danish ones. Those people are just so civilised. It's a different world.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1139395663359&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
well now you have...it's against the law in most muslim nations to convert
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
That's it?
The hell of a lot of people I see being put to death for converting from Islam, turns out to be one obscure link on the internet that only you has seen?
Doesn't really compare well to the amount that I've heard about Alien Abductions. Or Anti Gravity Rays. In fact I believe it's more widely held that Elvis lives, than what you are trying sell.
I think your opinion has neither a sense of proportion or a realistic perspective. In short it is propaganda, an exageration of the truth used to vilify ones enemies. Muslims are not my enemies.
Islam is a 1300 year old religion. Where was Christianity circa 1300 AD? Yeah right...
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Hmmm sooooo......
1'st- 9-11 happens.
2'nd- The media see's reporting about every incident of muslim extermism is good ratings.
3'rd- Everybody now believes muslim extremism is common.
Ahhh social engineering at it's best....
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kids don't try this at home.. although there are some that are nice but one bad
action from one of them then they will be all branded the same..people tend to
descriminate but who can blame them..
My point is (quite crystal clear, I would've thought), is that 1300 years after Christianity's founding, it wasn't a particularly enlightened religion with liberal beliefs and values either. In fact, it was worse than what Islam is at the present.
So, it cracks me up accordingly when I hear enlightened and peaceful Christians slam someone else's religion, which is precisely what the Pope was doing, one way or the other.
So I guess that means we can expect a Scientology Crusades with Tom Cruise at the helm in another 1200 years?!
YAYyyyy I Can't wait
no
Islam is a 14xx years old religion, Christianity is 17xx years old religion, study more history i guess :}
My point is (quite crystal clear, I would've thought), is that 1300 years after Christianity's founding, it wasn't a particularly enlightened religion with liberal beliefs and values either. In fact, it was worse than what Islam is at the present.
I would argue that Isamic law in some nations is as harsh, if not harsher, than the Christian period you speak of. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/5217424.stm
So, it cracks me up accordingly when I hear enlightened and peaceful Christians slam someone else's religion, which is precisely what the Pope was doing, one way or the other.
I'm sorry, why does it crack you up? I hope you're not suggesting that christians can't comment on threats, brutality, etc, stemming from another group in the present, because of historical wrongs. Americans shouldn't speak out against slavery and racisim? After all, the US has plenty of it in it's history. It's called learning from history, not being gagged by it. And no, the Pope wasn't slamming Islam.
My point is (quite crystal clear, I would've thought), is that 1300 years after Christianity's founding, it wasn't a particularly enlightened religion with liberal beliefs and values either. In fact, it was worse than what Islam is at the present.
I would argue that Isamic law in some nations is as harsh, if not harsher, than the Christian period you speak of. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/5217424.stm
So, it cracks me up accordingly when I hear enlightened and peaceful Christians slam someone else's religion, which is precisely what the Pope was doing, one way or the other.
I'm sorry, why does it crack you up? I hope you're not suggesting that christians can't comment on threats, brutality, etc, stemming from another group in the present, because of historical wrongs. Americans shouldn't speak out against slavery and racisim? After all, the US has plenty of it in it's history. It's called learning from history, not being gagged by it. And no, the Pope wasn't slamming Islam.
ummm, yes he was, bluntly too.
http://web.amnesty.org/web/ar2001.nsf/webasacountries/PAKISTAN?OpenDocument Talks about apostacy and other tid-bits, such as honor kilings.
http://www.iheu.org/node/1540 An Antheist speaking about Apostacy laws
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1470584,00.html It's even a problem in Britain. That, and honor killing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam An entry giving a general look at Apostacy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/5217424.stm not apostacy, but something to be aware of. 16 year old executed in Iran. For what, you ask? Read it and find out.
These are but examples. Apostacy, honor killings, etc, are damn common. They are major issues according to various human rights orginizations. By the way, the link he provided may have been obscure, but that particular story was widely reported.
Ok hold on man, this news is BS.
first, there can't be adultery in Iran, because they have the Mut'a Marriage, and anyone can say i am married without any papers.
Second of ALL which is the MOST important, executing someone for commetting adultery, specially if he or she was not married is NOT in Islam.
so this Sharia crap the BBC is throwing is crap and is not true :}
because in Islamic Sharia Adulterers are whipped, not executed.
Ok hold on man, this news is BS.
first, there can't be adultery in Iran, because they have the Mut'a Marriage, and anyone can say i am married without any papers.
Second of ALL which is the MOST important, executing someone for commetting adultery, specially if he or she was not married is NOT in Islam.
so this Sharia crap the BBC is throwing is crap and is not true :}
because in Islamic Sharia Adulterers are whipped, not executed.
because your religion doesnt support execution for adultury does not mean a 16 year old girl wasnt hanged in a square.
Just like because your religion doesnt support violence in general doesnt mean people arent willing to kill in cold blood for it.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Ok hold on man, this news is BS.
first, there can't be adultery in Iran, because they have the Mut'a Marriage, and anyone can say i am married without any papers.
Second of ALL which is the MOST important, executing someone for commetting adultery, specially if he or she was not married is NOT in Islam.
so this Sharia crap the BBC is throwing is crap and is not true :}
because in Islamic Sharia Adulterers are whipped, not executed.
I hope you sleep better at night.
Not all Muslims are aware of the full teachings of Islam, you're blaming people which is relevant, and is in place, but blaming the religion for what it's practicers do and claim it's from that religion is total ignorance.
I don't blame the native indian massacre that the christians were responsible of on christianity, i blame those fools who commited this homocide.
I await in great anticipation for you to post anything that's not completely retarded.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign."
-baff
I await in great anticipation for you to post anything that's not completely retarded.
Patience grasshopper...