Ah I love it. Disgruntled SWG Vets with heart. Exactly, I don't want what happened to us to happen to them. We've been through it and it sucks. No more war with SOE just let us play.
All intelligent people on this forum understand what happened in April and November of 2005. There is no denying that a large number of people had the game they loved changed for the benefit of another group of people with different playing habits.
I wish that the pro-NGE camp would recognize what really transpired and HELP us make SOE understand just how evil that was. Because until SOE understands what they did, EVERYBODY is at risk of having SOE pull the carpet out from under them. The NGE players ARE NEXT.
It's not even just SOE, the whole industry is watching. Do not let this behavior become socially acceptable!
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
I suppose that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but why do people post "Smed must quit 1st" or "They have to pay me to play"? I mean, why not post "I won't come back ever"?
That kind of stuff is just never gonna happen...
That being said, I'd like to see this announcement on the official site:
February 1st, 2007: SOE is proud to announce...
Our customers have spoken, and it appears that there is a greater demand for Clasic Servers than we anticipated. So, since SOE is so focused on delivering to our customers their needs and desires (lol) we have announced Classic Servers!
This will work as follows:
- Classic servers will open March 1st, 2007. Any current player (including subscribers that joined after the NGE) can transfer their characters, credits and up to 400 items (items have to be placed in a special "one use only" server transfer container during the move). At the time of transfer, characters will have the option of converting their character to a "level similar" set of skill points. HOWEVER, only jedi characters that had attained jedi status in-game prior to the NGE will be allowed to choose the Jedi Profession.
- Transfers between Classic and NGE servers are allowed only one time.
- Classic Servers will support JTL, RotW and ToOW.
- Classic Servers CAN expect new publishes/content. The pace may be slower than Pre-NGE since the development staff will be split between Classic and NGE servers.
Thank you and welcome back!
OK, cool, I am back...
Altre Monserrat - MBH/MP Aaden Monserrat - Elder Jedi Starsider - <DFC> - Dark Force Clan
Originally posted by pjskull I suppose that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but why do people post "Smed must quit 1st" or "They have to pay me to play"? I mean, why not post "I won't come back ever"? That kind of stuff is just never gonna happen...
Maybe you've heard the expression, "Fool me once, shame on you ... fool me twice, shame on me."
That's why.
You're right, it's probably never going to happen and that's why I'll probably never be back. But I already paid for pre-CU courtesy of Smed and Torres once, and look what happened. Why on Earth would I pay them money again and give them another shot at pulling the rug out from under me?
It's one thing to do business with unethical and incompetent people when you don't KNOW that's what they are ... but once you know, doing business with them again is pretty much begging to be robbed. Again.
Originally posted by KzinKiller Originally posted by pjskull I suppose that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but why do people post "Smed must quit 1st" or "They have to pay me to play"? I mean, why not post "I won't come back ever"? That kind of stuff is just never gonna happen...
Maybe you've heard the expression, "Fool me once, shame on you ... fool me twice, shame on me."
That's why.
You're right, it's probably never going to happen and that's why I'll probably never be back. But I already paid for pre-CU courtesy of Smed and Torres once, and look what happened. Why on Earth would I pay them money again and give them another shot at pulling the rug out from under me?
It's one thing to do business with unethical and incompetent people when you don't KNOW that's what they are ... but once you know, doing business with them again is pretty much begging to be robbed. Again.
I hear you, and the above blurb was not intended to flame those that express this view. I have plenty of anger also (trust me), not only at massive un-announced changes to the game, but let us not forget the ToOW expansion pre-orders followed immediately by said massive game breaking changes. That's the move that REALLY fried my biscuits.
But my false announcement above would get me back. My hatred of the management would remain intact, but would be surpassed by my love for the only MMORPG I have ever played for more than a week or two. Every other game really just stinks, and NOTHING is going to come out with anywhere near the complexity of Pre-CU for a long long time to come. Game companies just don't have the guts to spend the money on the risk. Darn shame too..
Altre Monserrat - MBH/MP Aaden Monserrat - Elder Jedi Starsider - <DFC> - Dark Force Clan
Originally posted by suske i'm starting a thread where we will post what $oe would have to do to get us back please post one thing that you would need to go back i will start it off.
1. classic severs with dev support (cu or pre-cu, either is fine by me)
I'd need classic servers, and a written agreement that Rogue_5, Helios, and the entire 'community relations' team (Thunderheart, et al.) would not have anything to do with the servers or dealing with the players. Rogue_5 and Helios have demonstrated that they have no idea what the appeal of the old game was and the current 'community relations' team is the worst I've ever seen working for an MMOG.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
A personal handwritten apology to every vet screwed over. Apologizing for blatently lieing to us all about NGE untill it was too late. For making quick money grabs with expansions timed to come out with the release of a movie instead of fixing the game we already had. For wasting time developing a new SWG instead of fixing the one we had.
Paying back all the poor vets who had a year subscription and was denied a prorated refund when they dumped the NGE on us.
A written agreement that they will only perform bug fixes and release expansions and will never fundamentaly change the core of the entire game.
OH AND HAVE THE BRAINCHILD RESONSIBLE FOR NGE COME KISS MY BARE WHITE BUTT WHILE YOUR AT IT.
oh yeah and pre nge servers supported by trained devs. Then I'll come back.
Classic servers (pre-CU), with at least one being an everyone starts fresh, no transfers of any kind from other servers. I can understand people not wanting to start over on the grind with the concern that the effort could all be made worthless again but the economy that could result from transfers concerns me. Being as we were screwed over, I think vet rewards should be reset so that people could reclaim all their vet rewards on the Classic server, including the "one time per account" ones...but given the option between pre-cu servers without being able to reclaim rewards and no pre-cu, I'll take pre-cu (or if the only way to keep rewards is char transfer, I'd still prefer to start fresh).
I definately miss Pre-NGE, I didn't have the opportunity to experience Pre-CU ... I kind of missed that part. However, from what some of you have pointed out, Pre-CU was awesome.
My point I would try to make with this thread is this:
1) Game-play wise ... anything prior to NGE would suit me just fine. It was mainly the communities and friendships which made SWG. Also, the fact there was a storyline to back it. Today's version ... well, it gives a whole new meaning to being a clone.
2) SOE must release their rights to SWG's licensing. Honestly, considering all the false hopes and promises SOE had delivered, I wouldn't trust them to keep their word on anything. Well, except for suicide of THE most diverse game and community.
3) Make the game open source, turn-over the entire player database, allow a reputable/honest/and worthy game company to take the game, and return it to the people who made SWG what it once was.
I don't know about the rest of you, but unless another company takes-over the entire lot and return the SWG we love ... it isn't worth going back.
Take Care All ...
DarkMistress ... or ... once known as ... Rhi'Anna (MDoc/Fencer: Kettemoor) ... and (NGE Jedi ... hated it ... wasn't earned ... and disgusted to find us all pretty much cloned )
Pre-CU servers and a vigorous effort to iron out the bugs and imballances that existed on the pre-CU servers, instead of being quitters. Bunch of quitters.
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All intelligent people on this forum understand what happened in April and November of 2005. There is no denying that a large number of people had the game they loved changed for the benefit of another group of people with different playing habits.
I wish that the pro-NGE camp would recognize what really transpired and HELP us make SOE understand just how evil that was. Because until SOE understands what they did, EVERYBODY is at risk of having SOE pull the carpet out from under them. The NGE players ARE NEXT.
It's not even just SOE, the whole industry is watching. Do not let this behavior become socially acceptable!
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
I suppose that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but why do people post "Smed must quit 1st" or "They have to pay me to play"? I mean, why not post "I won't come back ever"?
That kind of stuff is just never gonna happen...
That being said, I'd like to see this announcement on the official site:
February 1st, 2007: SOE is proud to announce...
Our customers have spoken, and it appears that there is a greater demand for Clasic Servers than we anticipated. So, since SOE is so focused on delivering to our customers their needs and desires (lol) we have announced Classic Servers!
This will work as follows:
- Classic servers will open March 1st, 2007. Any current player (including subscribers that joined after the NGE) can transfer their characters, credits and up to 400 items (items have to be placed in a special "one use only" server transfer container during the move). At the time of transfer, characters will have the option of converting their character to a "level similar" set of skill points. HOWEVER, only jedi characters that had attained jedi status in-game prior to the NGE will be allowed to choose the Jedi Profession.
- Transfers between Classic and NGE servers are allowed only one time.
- Classic Servers will support JTL, RotW and ToOW.
- Classic Servers CAN expect new publishes/content. The pace may be slower than Pre-NGE since the development staff will be split between Classic and NGE servers.
Thank you and welcome back!
OK, cool, I am back...
Altre Monserrat - MBH/MP
Aaden Monserrat - Elder Jedi
Starsider - <DFC> - Dark Force Clan
That's why.
You're right, it's probably never going to happen and that's why I'll probably never be back. But I already paid for pre-CU courtesy of Smed and Torres once, and look what happened. Why on Earth would I pay them money again and give them another shot at pulling the rug out from under me?
It's one thing to do business with unethical and incompetent people when you don't KNOW that's what they are ... but once you know, doing business with them again is pretty much begging to be robbed. Again.
That's why.
You're right, it's probably never going to happen and that's why I'll probably never be back. But I already paid for pre-CU courtesy of Smed and Torres once, and look what happened. Why on Earth would I pay them money again and give them another shot at pulling the rug out from under me?
It's one thing to do business with unethical and incompetent people when you don't KNOW that's what they are ... but once you know, doing business with them again is pretty much begging to be robbed. Again.
I hear you, and the above blurb was not intended to flame those that express this view. I have plenty of anger also (trust me), not only at massive un-announced changes to the game, but let us not forget the ToOW expansion pre-orders followed immediately by said massive game breaking changes. That's the move that REALLY fried my biscuits.
But my false announcement above would get me back. My hatred of the management would remain intact, but would be surpassed by my love for the only MMORPG I have ever played for more than a week or two. Every other game really just stinks, and NOTHING is going to come out with anywhere near the complexity of Pre-CU for a long long time to come. Game companies just don't have the guts to spend the money on the risk. Darn shame too..
Altre Monserrat - MBH/MP
Aaden Monserrat - Elder Jedi
Starsider - <DFC> - Dark Force Clan
BTW, bingo. what they said... (although I would love to have my original characters transferred over)
Altre Monserrat - MBH/MP
Aaden Monserrat - Elder Jedi
Starsider - <DFC> - Dark Force Clan
Add more professions. CH/Ranger/Scout type of profession as an example.
Bring back:
Decay
Wounds
Battle Fatigue
States
Creature harvesting the way it was Pre CU.
Player interdepedency.
I would resub for this.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Paying back all the poor vets who had a year subscription and was denied a prorated refund when they dumped the NGE on us.
A written agreement that they will only perform bug fixes and release expansions and will never fundamentaly change the core of the entire game.
OH AND HAVE THE BRAINCHILD RESONSIBLE FOR NGE COME KISS MY BARE WHITE BUTT WHILE YOUR AT IT.
oh yeah and pre nge servers supported by trained devs. Then I'll come back.
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Classic servers (pre-CU), with at least one being an everyone starts fresh, no transfers of any kind from other servers. I can understand people not wanting to start over on the grind with the concern that the effort could all be made worthless again but the economy that could result from transfers concerns me. Being as we were screwed over, I think vet rewards should be reset so that people could reclaim all their vet rewards on the Classic server, including the "one time per account" ones...but given the option between pre-cu servers without being able to reclaim rewards and no pre-cu, I'll take pre-cu (or if the only way to keep rewards is char transfer, I'd still prefer to start fresh).
I definately miss Pre-NGE, I didn't have the opportunity to experience Pre-CU ... I kind of missed that part. However, from what some of you have pointed out, Pre-CU was awesome.
My point I would try to make with this thread is this:
1) Game-play wise ... anything prior to NGE would suit me just fine.
2) SOE must release their rights to SWG's licensing. Honestly, considering all the false hopes and promises SOE had delivered, I wouldn't trust them to keep their word on anything.
3) Make the game open source, turn-over the entire player database, allow a reputable/honest/and worthy game company to take the game, and return it to the people who made SWG what it once was.
I don't know about the rest of you, but unless another company takes-over the entire lot and return the SWG we love ... it isn't worth going back.
Take Care All ...
DarkMistress ... or ... once known as ... Rhi'Anna (MDoc/Fencer: Kettemoor) ... and
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson