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WARCRYtm
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Is there anyone at this foruns that lke any mmorpg?
Wen somone say something good about any game here, tha person just have to expect to be bashed.
Is there any good game for you guys?
Or this foruns are here just to people say SOE suks, SWG suks, WoW suks...
PS. i am sorry for this trol post but i am realy upset with this comunity, that need to get atention, talking about games they dont understand or play just to get somme atention.
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agree with some points on various MMO games but every game will have
its strengths and weaknesses and it seems most people on these forums
do go after the weaknesses of these games a lot from what I have
seen. As far as right now I am playing a space shooter game
called Space Cowboy Online as its F2P and can play it when I have time
but right now that is not very often since I am working on creating my
own MMO and just play when I need a break.
Douglas Kasten
Crimson Realms Entertainment
"If A is success in life, then A = X + Y + Z. Where work is X; Y is play; and Z is knowing when to keep your mouth shut." --Albert Einstein
I've seen this community get a little more cutthroat over the past few years, and when making a topic, you now sorta have to realize that someone is probably gonna go out of their way or whatever to say the OPPOSITE of what you believe. And then probably flame you or something.
I think it's a little out of control. Though...i think one reason why people are saying THIS SUCKS more is maybe...idk...there just isn't anything out there right now to please them, so they're just more frustrated and when someone says "this game's great!" they'll jump all over it because the game didn't cure their hunger for more MMO.
Bit sad
Just my opinion.
Also note, no matter what game you pick there is always going to be someone who dislikes it.
Don't worry there's still some idealistic kids out there like Riki who like to paint everything pink, but luckily their breed is almost dead.
It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't.
I praise or trash as needed.
The point of been on a NEUTRAL ground is to be able to hear each side, easily. This is what this place is all about. If you want only positive and filtred forums, the official sites will be what you are looking forward.
I am happy to have see all the DnL posts and point of view, it was some tremendous hatred. I know what to expect from the game IF I decide to try it, but I am not that bored. I try to defend it a little since everyone was trashing it, but from the answers I got back, explanations and everything, I know it was deserved hatred and not blind ravaging. I am also happy to see the tremendous hatred about SWG, it show you something about MAJOR changes that disregard what the game was. The balanced hatred about WoW, Vanguard, AoC, and all other MMOs is just finely supporting strongpoints and weakpoints in the respective games.
I see a LOT of positive and negative point of view on every MMO. If you see only the negative, maybe the problem is with you. Are you able to manage constructive negative opinions? If not, maybe you will be better on the official forums, protected by a staff who will show you how to think.
I am a member for nearly 3 years on this forum (might be longer than my EQ membership, might be lesser, but both are pretty close), and there is a pretty good reason: Peoples LOOOOOVE these games, but someone who love is not a blind fanboi, it is someone who can both praise and complain, as needed. Trolls tend to be deleted on this forum, but it might take a day, or two...or a report from a player such as me and you. If you see a post that is clearly bringing nothing, report it and explain why it should be deleted. Someone asking for a feature to be added to the game is definitely not trolling and clearly wanting to see the game improve.
Take Vanguard official forums for example, despite all the devs did to have a neutral ground, anyone who is merely questionning or suggesting something (such as non-raiding server) get trashed to death, the Inquisition is on you in no time, this is not what you want from a place that favor good communications and developpment of the MMO, what deserve to be trashed in suggesting a non-raiding server? It doesn't affect the game on any other server, you clearly see vanbois at their worst. On the Vanguard official forum, such Vanboi are tolerated, here, I report them when they are only trashing for no good reasons and they get sanctionned most of the time. Again, if you want a room full of fanbois, you will have issues with mmorpg.com, because the staff doesn't cater to fanbois, but to MMOs-prosperity. MMOs prosperity clearly outmatch any fanbois agenda.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Excellent point - this is Neutral ground - you can hear both [or more?] sides/opinions about ANY MMO.
Your job is to filter the garbage: replies of "X game suxs!", from the enlightened opinions: "X game sucks because A, B C"
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I will WoW bash whenever I can, but other than that I have
good things to say about games. Like CoV.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
To be apsolutely honest with you
NO
I think MMORPGs of today are far far from being likable. Most of them suffer from huge design flaws , or total developer neglect. While some notable ones are just cash cows trying to leach the last possible penny possible with minimal return investment.
On other hand I think online virtual worlds are great idea. Just not quite succesfully realised yet.
And i am here to Vanguard (get the hint, wink ,wink) this forums and see that the community moves in right direction!
"Before this battle is over all the world will know that few...stood against many." - King Leonidas
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- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
To be apsolutely honest with you
NO
I
think MMORPGs of today are far far from being likable. Most of them
suffer from huge design flaws , or total developer neglect. While some
notable ones are just cash cows trying to leach the last possible penny
possible with minimal return investment.
On other hand I think online virtual worlds are great idea. Just not quite succesfully realised yet.
And i am here to Vanguard (get the hint, wink ,wink) this forums and see that the community moves in right direction!
Id
have to agree with Rattrap, either all post-WoW MMORPGs are made in a
4th world countries, or Im just getting old and tired of the whole MMO
concept. In any case, I havent found any MMO lately that could get my
attention for longer then 1 month. Then again, why am I stuck on
oblivion? Cant anyone make a game that is enjoyable by mature casual
players without suffering from the MMO withdrawal? Meh. Im too old, too
cranky.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Many well-worded replies here. I think the real issue is that MMOs have gone from being an artform, to being another corporate money-fountain, and nobody cares anymore. We no longer have game-lovers designing our games, but instead they've been replaced with Johnny Nobody who can't be bothered to forward a customer's email to his boss (who doesn't care either, for that matter).
Many of the current games have the right idea in general, but are going in the wrong direction. Eventually a game will come out that has something for everyone and we'll all go flock to that game, and hopefully it won't be run by greedy jackholes.
In short, take the flaming and trolling with a grain of salt, and report those people. The vast majority of us on this forum come here because we care about MMOs.
I agree somewhat. The devs for these games keep forgetting about good gameplay. People are subconsciously drawn to online games. But that doesn't mean any of these games are any good. Popular does not equal good. Instead of copying games with bad gameplay (WoW). I hope devs start coming up with some good gameplay.
(I do think CoV/CoH has great game play - but it has other issues)
I think what your seeing is the gradual erosion of what used to be a community here at MMORPG.com. Much the same as Anno commented about, how these supposed fans in the Vanguard forums will beat on anyone who even wispers about a different idea, the same is true for here now.
A quality post will be made on some subject or game and you'll get 1 or 1.5 pages of mostly flames and if your lucky, 2 or 3 good reply's. A childish thread will pop up with something like "Carebears be teh Sux5orzzz !111!!@$@#$" and it get's 10 pages of mind numbing commenting, yet it's allowed to stay there and fester.
Just take a look at the SWG forums here, it's a joke. These people will think nothing of calling each other every name in the book and pouncing on each other like rabid raging dogs just because someone might have a different point of view, how welcoming would that be for someone new here, wondering whether they should chime in or not? Every couple of days now there's a new post about why WoW sucks, why SOE is going to hell, why Eve is either too hardcore or the end all and be all of gaming, why L2 is ruined because of botters; Oh and why the whole MMO industry completely blows and there's not a single good game out there. Hey it's a fact, dind't you know?
Heaven forbid you actually dissagree with these people, all gloves are off then because see if you dissagree then your worthless, your not right, there's something wrong with you. That's right, if you don't think SOE is evil incarnate and Satan himself sits at the head chair at the board of directors, then your the one that isn't thinking straight! Sorry, learn to play... noob! Oops, sorry, I spelled out, correction: L2PvP Nub!
I don't know anymore! I used to come here because I loved this site, I loved the passion the editors and Dana put into it, put into the community. It felt like it meant something. I used to love reading the threads that would pop up, even way before I started writing here. People used to be able to dissagree with each other and it wouldn't resort to everyone being called a gimp. Now so many of those posters are gone because really, what's the point of conversing with people if they're only interested in getting what they need out and then holding their hands over their ears yelling: "LALALALA!!!".
How can expect more either? The people who started the community have all but left us, what happens to a community when it's leader stop showing passion for what got you there in the first place?
Have you ever read what other gaming forum community's think of the community here at a mmorpg.com? We're a joke to them, they find it disturbing and child-like.
People will always give out their oppinions and it's certainly not my place to say what is a good or bad oppinion and that what I love about forum community's anyways. Sure I like it when I meet someone with similar points of view, but I love learning new things, I love seeing and trying to understand someone's oppinion. I guess all I really know is that it's getting harder and harder to do that here now.
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It helps if you play "Blitzkrieg" on a continuous loop and imagine explosions while you're reading.
Well it makes it more exciting!
While you are partially right.
I still think, as some people said - MMORPG.com has the real mmo veterans. I mean look at your self 1493 posts!
That has to mean something!
You know your MMOs , and you know them good.
Yes most of us are jaded as hell.
I mean look at me. There was never a game i played that i didnt find to have 100 or more failed points.
And i flame , and i troll , and i am very very passionate about MMOs.
I would probably bitch about a game before i praise it.
But if there is one thing I am expert in
Its games , i have been passionate gamer since 1981. I have played thousands of games to say at least.
And i apsolutelly (as i allready mentioned) think MMOs are the next step. And i am apsolutelly in love with mmos...
So when i come to this site. I know what i am going to find.
1. Apsolute first class news about mmos
2. People that know a lot about this gaming genre and are not afraid to say their oppinion
And yes...sometimes mmorpg.com flame wars are blast
"Before this battle is over all the world will know that few...stood against many." - King Leonidas
So many well thought out posts. I would absolutely love to say something intelligent and witty but I think you guys absolutely (coughrattrapcough) covered this topic better than I could immagine too.
The one thing that I didnt know, and Im still not sure if its true, is the statement about "other communities thinking MMORPG.COM is a joke". I have seen other boards that are worse than this with there flamebait posts, name calling and disrespectful attitude. I will not name names for fear of a mass nerd zerg lynching me in the streets.
If there are boards that are vastly better than mmorpg.com, please explain why.
I appreciate your thoughts Rattrap and you know that I think your one of those quality posters here, not that I agree with you often (hehe, or ever :P) but I think we've always seen eye to eye about this site and our adoration for MMOs as a genre and not just a passing phase in gaming as a whole.
And I agree, there are very few subjects in this world that I truly enjoy talking about like I do about gaming. Hell, I remember my big brother propping up in front of a TV to play street fighter because he was determined that I wouldn't turn out to be a prissy girl like my other sistsers. Heck ! I've been playing MMO's since before I was high school and now way into University... UGH, scary !!!
So yes, sometimes I do feel that means something but the point I was trying to make is that whether whatever I think or know is right, whether I stand with absolute conviction about my oppinion, that still does not mean that the other person and member of the community that I'm talking with does not have point.
Nor does it give me the right to demean that member as a person with thoughts and points of view that should be enjoyed, celebrated and shared with others. That's what I see happening on these boards over the last little while.
It's not that some of us are very vocal, hell you know as much as anybody else here that I can get REAL vocal, remember the hunt for Antonia Bayle in EQ2 and the fit I threw over that? I love it when passionate people tell their end of the story, what bothers me is when I see people get attacked when they try to play devils advocate, when they try to see the other side.
That's what's important, it's not that we all stand behind the one's that are the loudest but that we should be willing to listen to those that are the quietest because without them, we're all heading in the same direction and isn't that what your always going against Rattrap.
Ahhhh !!! See what I did there? C'mon, tell me your not impressed
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Better is a relative word and that's why I didn't use it. In all honesty, I don't think, even now with the current condition of these boards, that there is a single better web site/forum about MMO's around. It's still top notch as far as I'm concerned.
And what I wrote there wasn't completely fair because it's just my experience from varying forums that I go to and see what people say about the forums here. I didn't mean it as a comparison though, so please don't take it like that, I know of much much worse forums around then this place.
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I appreciate your thoughts Rattrap and you know that I think your one of those quality posters here, not to say that I agree with you often (hehe, or ever :P) but I think we've always see eye to eye this site and our adoration for MMO as a genre and not just a passing phase in gaming as a whole.
And I agree, there are very few things subjects in this world that I truly enjoy talking about like I do about gaming. Hell, I remember my big brother propping up in front of a TV to play street fighter because he was determined that I wouldn't turn out to be a prissy girl like my other sistsers. Heck ! I've been playing MMO's since before I was high school... UGH !!!
So yes, sometimes I do feel that means something but the point I was trying to make is that whether whatever I think or know is right, whether I stand with absolute conviction by my oppinion, that still does not mean that the other person and member of the community that I'm talking with does not have point.
Nor does it give me the right to demean that member as a person with thoughts and points of view that should be enjoyed, celebrated and shared with others. That's what I see happening on these over the last little while.
It's not that there are some of us that are vocal, hell you know as much as anybody else here that I can get REAL vocal, remember the hunt for Antonia Bayle in EQ2 and the fit I threw over that? I love it when passionate people tell their end of the story, what bothers me is when I see people get attacked when they try to play devils advocate, when they try to see the other side.
That's what's important, it's not that we all stand behind the one's that are the loudest but that we should be willing to listen to those that are the quietest because without them, we're all heading in the same direction and isn't that what your always going against Rattrap.
Ahhhh !!! See what I did there? C'mon, tell me your not impressed
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This is because MMORPGs are social constructs and therefore follow the rules of politics. You are just seeing what is analogous to negative campaign ads.
Most critques involving MMO are not based on logic or even much in the way of reasoning. Its usually; it sucks because its not my game. Just like politics, people just pick sides and only a very few actuallu argue points. Its most obvious in Eve threads.
1. If everyone here hated MMOs, why would people be here to start any arguments? Everyone here likes some MMOs and can't stand others, and there are more than a few people around here that will have an opposite opinion. It's not that everyone hates all the MMOs, just that not everyone likes any MMO in particular. Another good point was pointed out by other posters here that ever since WoW (not trying to start a flame war), most of the games that have been produced aren't up to the public's expectations. Many of us are drifting around the MMO pool until a really great game comes out, and until then we don't have much to do besides give our input, both good and bad, on the games on the market.
2. Yes, if there is any kind of constrictive post, there is always a counterpoint, and a group of people that believe that counterpoint. Sometimes threads will go on for tens and tens of pages of good, wholesome, constructive argument and debate, but usually a more immature member will chime in with some leetspeak and the whole thing will go down in flames (literally and figuratively). The trick is to just ignore the people who can't support their argument, and only take into consideration those people who take the time to think out what they want to say instead of spewing the first thing that comes to their head.
3. Right now, I can't say there is a good MMO on the market for me, but you can't take the community here as a single entity. It's made up of thousands of regular people around the world who will, obviously, have differing opinions, and what's fun for someone might not be remotely close to entertainment for someone else.
4. Oddly enough, SOE has screwed over enough people bad enough that there are threads dedicated to SOE bashing. There are plenty of good posts out there with well-supported arguments and constructive criticisms, but of course there's also the myriad posts of "WTF [X] iz teh suxorz!!1!"
As for your PS:
If you're upset with the community, it's good to let your feelings be known, but be sure not to alienate everyone on these forums. The users who come here to help others, share ideas, and just have fun, should not be ones to blame for your unsatisfaction with a few members. Generalizations can get people into trouble, such as "talking about games they don't understand..." Most of us are veteran gamers and have played dozens and dozens of games and plenty of MMOs to know what's what in the gaming industry, and most of the advice given is usually helpful, whether it be criticism or praise.
It's easy to see the bad and have it overshadow the good, and it seems that's what's happened here. Don't go around bashing people when you don't know without facts, and don't confuse criticism with compliments.
Je mettrai l'amour sur dos de moi.
troll aspect of any post. The whole concept of the internet is to
anonymously and indiscriminately share ideas and opinions, which often
leads to conflicts in those ideas and opinions. It takes 1 person with
no control over ones emotions or no respect towards others to make a
virtual explosion on the forum. You can realy do nothing about it, you
have to accept those people for what they are and promptly ignore their
trollism. I work as a CSR for a telephone company (part time) so I
learned to ignore all the negative part of complaints and concentrate
on the constructive part. Luckily, here on MMORPG, theres plenty of
that (theconstructive part that is).
I enjoy reading other
people's opinions and express my own, even if those opinions contradict
each other. We are all humans, each of us thinks differently in some
way. Only machines "think" alike. Good post.
EDIT: lots of incomplete sentences and thoughts... i realy shouldnt
write this during work hours but.. cant... resist... ALT+TABing during
boss alert breaks my chain of thought, thats why I often write
incomplete sentences or unfinished thoughts.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.