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Money = Respect ???
Babbuun
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I've been browsing these forums every once in a while and have come across this mentality quite often. It seems like many people consider money and material wealth directly attached to respect and success as a human being. I'd just like to start a little poll/discussion here about it. I voted "not really", feel free to ask why.
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Without trying to jump into the cliche of 'money = happiness', I do believe that money gives you respect. Not by people trying to suck up to you though. If you have money, you're deemed as success, and to be successful you need qualities in your personality which not everyone has.
So in my opinion, yeah money will give you respect, but it's down to the individual to decide whether or not that respect is deserved.
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Absolutely.
Whether you like it or not, money -is- the most important thing in the world, it CAN buy you anything, including love. People that say money doesn't mean anything come in two categories: those who were bought up in a rich family and have no understanding of it's importance, and those who are underqualified and unable to earn decent money in any job they can get, in which case they are bitter and jeallous of those who do understand it's importance and CAN earn it.
I have absolute respect for anybody that has been able to make their way into a job paying anything over £40,000 a year (excluding those who were handed such things on a plate from their families etc). It's not easy to become rich off your own back, and I honestly think doing so deserves a good deal of respect.
It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't.
First the most straightforward: Your health can only be influenced to a certain degree by money, the rest is up to you and up to luck/genes.
Second: What kind of love are you buying? Being wealthy and able to financially survive in society is one part of picking a mate on a biological level, but it's only one aspect. You can buy men and women to have sex with you, yes, but this is (most of the time) not love.
You say everyone who doesn't respect people with money is jealous. This is quite a generalisation, and quite an arrogant one at that. On a similar level, the counter-arguement for this is to say everyone who's rich is arrogant and too proud of their accomplishments.
Just having a lot of money doesn't immediately seem to earn you respect, you have to create a positive public image for yourself, not one of a tyrant that just steals from his peasants. Of course you'll have quite an easy time setting up a positive public image if you've earned your money through hard, honest work.
I say money just gives you more opportunities to gain respect and more opportunities to influence any other things around you.
I voted absolutely not as I do not respect people solely based on their paycheck, although I'm under no delusion that in todays world, the allmighty dollar reigns.
Maybe I'm just bitter because I have none
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I certainly respect people who work hard for the money earn but primarily respect from is earned from showing respect, politeness, a good heart and an open mind. These are the things that I respect and want to be respected for.
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Does money=respect? Dunno. Are millions of dollars gonna make me respect the rude loudmouth jerk who eventually gets his ass handed to him by the blue collar worker who's had enough? Nope. Are those millions of dollars going to make his kids understand and respect that daddy couldn't be there for the first 18 years of their life 'cause he "had to make that money"? Nope. Or, at the other extreme, will I show the same or more respect to the guy that was born with money compared to the one who just barely gets by but keeps his family afloat? Nope. In the corporate world, yeah. Money might win respect. But in the real world of everyday life, it's just a tool. Nothing more. At least to me.
I believe everything is case specific with different factors contributing to the outcome. Money is only a factor, a rather large one and growing in importance now that there's no real counterbalance to the capitalist lifestyle now with eastern Europe and communist Asia gradually abandoning their socialist economics.
Not-so-gifted people can become millionares if the opportunity is ripe and his mind is just set on the single-track money-making mode. On the other hand some extremely gifted people work hard all their lives but never even get a chance at the big time. This is on an objective note where both are considered to be law-abiding citizens.
On a different note, money makes people blind from time to time, and many would not hesitate to break a few "minor" laws to get "their share". Money is dangerous and should be treated as such, not as the holy grail we should all strive for. With great money should come great responsibility, unfortunately I don't see much responsibility going around from rich people.
If we wanted to we could make Africa and South America prosper any time, by just lifting our unfair trade sanctions. This would make us poorer so we can't do it. We would lose money and power but gain respect.
To sum my opinions up:
1. We use money to gain real respect too scarcely.
2. Money should not be directly linked to respect as a moral value, since money is anything we can turn it into. Respect is just something money can be used to indirectly acquire if you're wise.
= People should be more responsible with money.
"Not really" came from the fact that anything can be linked to anything but also detatched from it.
The fact is most people with money, earned it . Despite some haters, majority of people respect Bill Gates. Despite the fact he is the definition of what a corporate shark is. He ate up any competition, keeps his product on the front page by any means necessary, most of it borderline illegal or at least unethical. He is the richest man in the world, he gets respect just for that simple fact, at least awe
It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't.
The fact is most people with money, earned it . Despite some haters, majority of people respect Bill Gates. Despite the fact he is the definition of what a corporate shark is. He ate up any competition, keeps his product on the front page by any means necessary, most of it borderline illegal or at least unethical. He is the richest man in the world, he gets respect just for that simple fact, at least awe
The biggest reason I've ever respected Bill Gates for is that he's spewed quite a lot of money on charities (even ones NOT in the US*) he's actually done research on (or at least has had people do research on). Afaik he hasn't given money to religious bigots but to practical projects.
*Not that I don't think that charities in the states don't deserve money, but I think charities in 3rd world countries need it more.
Money=freedom
Money=happiness
sad but true
I think the faster one realise this, the better.
but it has nothing to do with respect imo.
One of the persons i respect the most is a "refugee" from Denmark, who decided to pack himself and his family in boxes and move abroad, because he couldnt pay his Taxes.
(tho the archeivement of having money you earned, isolated, can earn you deserved respect).
The fact is most people with money, earned it . Despite some haters, majority of people respect Bill Gates. Despite the fact he is the definition of what a corporate shark is. He ate up any competition, keeps his product on the front page by any means necessary, most of it borderline illegal or at least unethical. He is the richest man in the world, he gets respect just for that simple fact, at least awe
The biggest reason I've ever respected Bill Gates for is that he's spewed quite a lot of money on charities (even ones NOT in the US*) he's actually done research on (or at least has had people do research on). Afaik he hasn't given money to religious bigots but to practical projects.
*Not that I don't think that charities in the states don't deserve money, but I think charities in 3rd world countries need it more.
I never actually knew there were charities in the US, i thought the American Government would just send some extra money where needed...
By the way, "quite a lot" is over 50 billion in the last 10 years. He will also give all his money (except for 5 million to each of his adopted children) to charity once he dies.
I remember an article a while back in the Times about Bill Gates visiting a poor woman who worked for below minimal wage in Calcutta, India. After he left, a reported asked her if she knew the man. She said no and the reoprted told him who he was. The woman replied "it doesn't matter who he is. What does matter though is that he cares about us".
It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't.
So..pay every person that bought a legal copy of windows a thousand bucks...?
So..pay every person that bought a legal copy of windows a thousand bucks...?
Yeah, or invest that 50 bil in the best free mmorpg ever made
It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't.
So..pay every person that bought a legal copy of windows a thousand bucks...?
Yeah, or invest that 50 bil in the best free mmorpg ever made
hehe... and it would be non-profit! you could hire every single dev in the world and keep them on a payroll for at least 100 years...
People treat me differently if I get out of a big car.
Girls fancy me more when they see my house.
The bank manager never smiled or called me by my name until I paid in a really big check one day.
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I still get drunk with my local tramps. People look at you differently if they think you have money. A friend with money is more useful to me than a friend without, having friends that can help me isn't the be all and end all of friendship but it is a factor. Financial success does impress me.
I like to see people capable of getting ahead. I like it that my friends are of quantifiable value and usefulness to society. I also like to ride in their comfortable cars, visit their comfortable houses and eat in exciting reataurents and be able to go on holiday together or all have the latest video games equipment etc.
If you are smart enough to be of value and earn money, your perceptions carry more weight with me. It's a telltale sign that you aren't a complete halfwit. This does not mean that people without money are likely to be halfwits, just that people capable of making money probably aren't. A simple but helpful generalisation.
First. The benefits to your health money can buy is immense. Have a look at the child mortality rate in Malawi and compare it Swedens. Do the same with life expectancy. Be aware that your luck and genetics can be manipulated by education and good breeding. Money is often factor in attracting a mate. You might still get run over crossing the road, but if you live on a quiet street with very few houses your chances are greatly reduced and if your mum was a cheerleader you may have inherited the reflexes to get out of the way.
Second. Money can buy love. The kind of love you are buying is love that doesn't argue over who's turn it is to pay, that isn't hampered by the stress of a broken car in the morning, or short temperedness of hunger. A love that can give presents, chocolates and flowers to soften any dispute. A love that can afford children and a harmonius enviroment to raise them. A love that can take a holiday when it all gets cabin fevered.
Money provides a stable enviroment in which love may prosper.
First. The benefits to your health money can buy is immense. Have a look at the child mortality rate in Malawi and compare it Swedens. Do the same with life expectancy. Be aware that your luck and genetics can be manipulated by education and good breeding. Money is often factor in attracting a mate. You might still get run over crossing the road, but if you live on a quiet street with very few houses your chances are greatly reduced and if your mum was a cheerleader you may have inherited the reflexes to get out of the way.
Second. Money can buy love. The kind of love you are buying is love that doesn't argue over who's turn it is to pay, that isn't hampered by the stress of a broken car in the morning, or short temperedness of hunger. A love that can give presents, chocolates and flowers to soften any dispute. A love that can afford children and a harmonius enviroment to raise them. A love that can take a holiday when it all gets cabin fevered.
Money provides a stable enviroment in which love may prosper.
Yup. Malawi and Sweden have drastically different child mortality rates. That does not prove people who make money are smart, it proves they've been extremely greedy and cruel. Child mortality rates in Africa could be easily taken down by western countries, but we can't allocate our funds there for some reason (greed, nationalism, self-centeredness).
Europeans and Americans have exploited Africa and South America worth billions and billions, yet we're still taking money from them for financial loans we've forced them to take with our unfair economic sanctions.
In today's capitalist environment, children are being over-stimulated with toys and gizmos and computers/videos/pokemon/whatever. A good childhood has very little to do with these. Also something you buy from someone else and give to someone isn't the best kind of love, if you make an effort instead of just spending money, you'll be much more appreciated.
Unfortunately schooling is being taken the privatisation way, which means it does require money (fortunately not in Finland yet).
A harmonious environment can be found with quite little money. You don't have to drive 5 hummers and own a mansion to have a harmonious environment. Just enough space for you and your partner and kids, and the possibilty to be an active part of the community. The rest is up to you, not your money. A lot of happy kids have grown in very humble conditions. The "money = a happy childhood" predicament is fearmongering advertisement by t3h syst3m.
We don't owe Africa dick.
The whites didn't enslave the blacks, the blacks enslaved the blacks and sold them to the whites.
No one forces them to buy our goods. I agree that many of them would be better off if they adopted communism or formed into localised trade blocks and cartels.
Technically, they owe us. We have lent them money. I don't mind investing in Africa, I never donated anything though. I don't have any personal or cultural connections to the place. It's low on my list of places I want to help.
As for the mighty west being able to save all the children of Africa, and instantly transform it into a wealthy and profitable continent......you are aware that we have been trying pretty hard for the last 300 years I assume?
Easier said than done.
My father spent his entire life working as a baseline politician and later as an embasador, he never earned outrageous sums of money but he raised 9 children and provided for us well. He loved his wife and he loved all his children deerly. When he passed away, none of us got huge trust funds what we did get were memories of a man who never faltered in his beliefs and morals.
I have two brothers and one sister who serve, one is Military and two are Navy. None of them hold positions of grand importance but they believe in serving something bigger them thsemselves and do so openly and willingly with every ounce of their being. They don't make much money at all but they have pride and they everything they have every single day of their lives.
I have a friend who since the age of 18 has worked in and out of africa helping children in aids ravished villages for a number of organizations. Because of her work, during a medical procedure and a 5 year old girl, she contracted the HIV virus. Now most people would just huddle up like a turtle and run back home to try and live whatever sort of life was possible after something like that happens, but this very second she's in a Village called Massa in Al-Tabara still helping children. Her last Email to me, not a single word was said about her sickness or her problems, everything was about the kids she works with. Oh and by the way, she calculated once that in the entire time she's been doing this (about 13 years now) she has earned an income of appx. $5,000.00 every two years. She had once saved up about 1 Thousand dollars in an American bank account when she found out that kids in a neighboring village didn't even shirts to go school with, she took every penny she had out of that account and bought as many she could.
I'm certain we all know people like this, I'm saying because I think I'm unique for having known these people and I'm not saying that your wrong Baff but these people... these are the people that I respect.
These are capable, intelligent, giving human beings that not only do I respect but am proud to know. If someone has nothing other then a really nice car and nice house or business sense to attain those things, what is there really to respect?
I'm just saying, there has to be more.
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Western countries bought people for extremely cheap and kept them enslaved and without rights for a very long time. Western countries also supplied the Africans in power with the opportunity to get rich very easily and increased corruption and tyranny in African countries. You can't dismiss them all for what a few GREEDY people did.
Dude you should use your brain for thinking about other things than self-justification.