Originally posted by baff As for the mighty west being able to save all the children of Africa, and instantly transform it into a wealthy and profitable continent......you are aware that we have been trying pretty hard for the last 300 years I assume?
So that is what the European Histroy Revisionsts are teaching what colonialism was now?
1- You colonialist son's of -censored- went throughout the world.
2- You son's of -censored- established colonies every where.
3- You basically enslaved the populace.
4- You took one minority and treated them better then the majority in your colony. This is a Machiavellian strategy where you take a weak group and force them to rely on a foriegn power for their safety/empowerment. This was used to strengthen your hold on the colony.
5- When you worthless colonial bastards left, you left ethnic devision because of #4 and guess what you did next?
6- The West supplied arms to the ethnic factions and let them fight civil wars for profit and the continued ruination of that former colony.
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I like money alot and I do see people getting more respect than people who could be classified as poor and for many reasons. Look at hurricane Katrina and how the poor got the shaft but the people who could afford laywers mostly got decent settlements and the poor who couldnt got told it was water damage and that their insurance doesnt cover floods. When I go sit at a 5/10$ blind NL holdem table at the casino I always notice all the action and most of the hot girls watching the 25/50$ games because there is more money involved. People are fiends for the all mighty dollar trust me I know I used to be a "cookie" dealer back in the day and know just what lengths some people go to for money and now I am a contractor that has to negotiate my wages on every new job I do so getting the best price possible is a priority. Will we ever evolve a better system then the monetary one? I cant really see it happening anytime soon because it just has a grip on every facet of human life!
FACT: Being poor sucks ass! FACT: Being rich is awsome! I have been bolth so I know and thats just the true reality of things.
Wealthy people can lose that money to someone who is slicker and more ruthless. (Like lawyers)
What equals respect to me? If you treat me with respect. If you don't, then I won't.
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Originally posted by shae These are capable, intelligent, giving human beings that not only do I respect but am proud to know. If someone has nothing other then a really nice car and nice house or business sense to attain those things, what is there really to respect? I'm just saying, there has to be more.
If someone has a nice car and a really nice house, there is a very good chance that there is more to them than just that. Nice cars and nice houses aren't easy to get.
To assume that financially successful people are generally vaccuos is to be ignoring what limited evidence that provides.
Maybe he has Aids and a nice car. Maybe his dad's a tramp, his mothers a junky, and he's got a brand new Mercedes. I can think of a few of my rich friends who've seen their own fair share of adversity. I'm alot prouder of my wealthy friends who have overcome adversity than I am of my poorer ones who have wallowed in it. And those that have been born into it, aren't people I readily dismiss anymore than those who live on the street or anywhere else.
Wealth isn't the be all and end all of a person, but it is an easy to recognise indicator of a persons intelligence, capablilities, aptitude and drive.
Pretty hard for 300 years my ass... The blacks enslaved the blacks my ass...
Western countries bought people for extremely cheap and kept them enslaved and without rights for a very long time. Western countries also supplied the Africans in power with the opportunity to get rich very easily and increased corruption and tyranny in African countries. You can't dismiss them all for what a few GREEDY people did.
Dude you should use your brain for thinking about other things than self-justification.
Everybody bought people and enslaved them without rights. Not just Westerns. The entire planet. It should not be lost on you that Western people pretty much put an end to this practise world wide. No one else. Not black people, not yellow people. White people. Obviously it hasn't been completely stamped out, but it almost has in Western influenced countries. Another little reason that makes me proud to British. Rule Britiannia.
And yes the black people white people bought in Africa were bought from indigineous slavers who were themselves black. Black people are advised to check their family trees carefully before going off into any diatribes.
Why don't you sell your computer and donate the money to Africa? You could feed a family for years with that kind of money. How dare you talk to me about greed. Put your money where your mouth is. If you believe you owe them something, pay up or shut up.
You should park your self righteous ignorance and pay more attention in school.
As for the mighty west being able to save all the children of Africa, and instantly transform it into a wealthy and profitable continent......you are aware that we have been trying pretty hard for the last 300 years I assume?
So that is what the European Histroy Revisionsts are teaching what colonialism was now?
1- You colonialist son's of -censored- went throughout the world.
2- You son's of -censored- established colonies every where.
3- You basically enslaved the populace.
4- You took one minority and treated them better then the majority in your colony. This is a Machiavellian strategy where you take a weak group and force them to rely on a foriegn power for their safety/empowerment. This was used to strengthen your hold on the colony.
5- When you worthless colonial bastards left, you left ethnic devision because of #4 and guess what you did next?
6- The West supplied arms to the ethnic factions and let them fight civil wars for profit and the continued ruination of that former colony.
Yes and we also left farms, roads, railways, schools, hospitals, medecine, government, universities, industry, mining, science, organised religion, mechanisation, literacy, libraries, architecture, beurocracy, mathematics, geography, unified language...to name but a few.
We want to get rich, to do this we need wealthy people to trade with, not poor people. For business to be good business, all parties must benefit.
Originally posted by baff Originally posted by Babbuun
Pretty hard for 300 years my ass... The blacks enslaved the blacks my ass...
Western countries bought people for extremely cheap and kept them enslaved and without rights for a very long time. Western countries also supplied the Africans in power with the opportunity to get rich very easily and increased corruption and tyranny in African countries. You can't dismiss them all for what a few GREEDY people did.
Dude you should use your brain for thinking about other things than self-justification.
Everybody bought people and enslaved them without rights. Not just Westerns. The entire planet. It should not be lost on you that Western people pretty much put an end to this practise world wide. No one else. Not black people, not yellow people. White people. Obviously it hasn't been completely stamped out, but it almost has in Western influenced countries. Another little reason that makes me proud to British. Rule Britiannia.
And yes the black people white people bought in Africa were bought from indigineous slavers who were themselves black. Black people are advised to check their family trees carefully before going off into any diatribes.
Why don't you sell your computer and donate the money to Africa? You could feed a family for years with that kind of money. How dare you talk to me about greed. Put your money where your mouth is. If you believe you owe them something, pay up or shut up.
You should park your self righteous ignorance and pay more attention in school.
How dare I talk to you about greed? How dare you... Such a strong and violent expression. Seems like I hit a nerve. I didn't talk to you about greed in person, I answered your post with general arguements I believe in. Hell I don't even know you, but you're taking this to a personal level instead of an ideological one.
I apologise for saying "people who make money are greedy". It's an overstatement. I'll say people who make unreasonable amounts of money off other people and then refuse to share are greedy.
The fact that there were black slavers that kidnapped people and sold people to white men doesn't make an ounce of difference towards the actions of the white man. They were condoning the actions of the black slaver and thus approving kidnapping.
From 1500-1850, ~the same amount of people was used by western countries as eastern countries had used in the longer time span of 600-1900. The western countries were making the business thrive to proportions that it had never seen before.
Western countries may have abolished slavery, but it's just the start to what should be done to rebuilding the places we exploited to upkeep our well-being.
I am not capable of making a difference at the moment. I feel morally obliged to make a difference. I will strive to be a part of a group that I believe is making a difference. Most charities in Finland are religious or at least have something to do with religion. Most current activist groups use despicable populist antics and fight for all the wrong causes, and they really turn me off.
I am a moralist preacher and an egotistical prick and I'm used to being hated. I am also a hypocrite, there's no denying that. If you want to vent your anger at disliking people with different ideologies than yours (which is straight out of an advertisement may I add*), feel free to do it on me. Hope it gets you thinking about where you stand when you get so upset over such a minute issue.
The media and government of all western nations is populated by a majority of mildly or severely capitalist people. You win man, no need to be upset... Greed and capitalsim isn't going to fall unless some huge ecologic or economic catastrophe strikes.
* Is your car not big enough, how about your house? The bigger your car, the more succesful you are and the more women will come to you. You've seen it in the movies and in commercials, buy a Hummer.
I treat everyone with the same amount of respect (which is a pretty good amount) unless they give me reason to otherwise. Something as simple as a smile or a sneer can change how much I respect someone, though.
Originally posted by Babbuun I am not capable of making a difference at the moment. I feel morally obliged to make a difference. I will strive to be a part of a group that I believe is making a difference. Most charities in Finland are religious or at least have something to do with religion. Most current activist groups use despicable populist antics and fight for all the wrong causes, and they really turn me off.
Nonsense. You are using a computer right now. A luxury piece of equipment literally worth the price of a Malawi families food for a number of years. You don't need to join a religious charity, just sell your stuff and send the money to Oxfam.
You are in a perfect position to make a difference, you are just too greedy to do so. You feel morally obliged to do sod all. Which is exactly what you are doing. Talk is cheap. I've heard it all before.
I know where I stand. Next time I suggestyou think about whereyou standbefore you open your mouth and not after.
What you are peddling isn't morals, it's a self righteous fantasy. A way to make yourself feel superior to other people. So yeah, how dare you. Where do you get off preaching at people for being selfish and uncharitable when you have done precisely zero to help anyone ever. Don't bother pretending to me that one day you are going to, your not the type. You've had plenty of opportunity. If you were going to, you would have done so already.
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As for rebuilding all the places I have exploited. The answer is, no. Firstly I haven't exploited anywhere, no matter how much you tell me I have, I haven't. And secondly, when it comes to helping out people and rebuilding, my priorites begin with my loved ones. As soon as I have cured all the evils in the world that addresses them, I will be sure to move on to any African ones.
When I work for charity or make donations it is to funds of my choosing, not yours. Pay for your own guilt. If you want to save Africa and rebuild places you feel you have exploited (and I see no evidence that you actually do) go right ahead. I have other priorities.
Originally posted by shae Originally posted by baff People treat me differently if I get out of a big car. Girls fancy me more when they see my house. The bank manager never smiled or called me by my name until I paid in a really big check one day. I still get drunk with my local tramps. People look at you differently if they think you have money. A friend with money is more useful to me than a friend without, having friends that can help me isn't the be all and end all of friendship but it is a factor. Financial success does impress me. I like to see people capable of getting ahead. I like it that my friends are of quantifiable value and usefulness to society. I also like to ride in their comfortable cars, visit their comfortable houses and eat in exciting reataurents and be able to go on holiday together or all have the latest video games equipment etc. If you are smart enough to be of value and earn money, your perceptions carry more weight with me. It's a telltale sign that you aren't a complete halfwit. This does not mean that people without money are likely to be halfwits, just that people capable of making money probably aren't. A simple but helpful generalisation.
My father spent his entire life working as a baseline politician and later as an embasador, he never earned outrageous sums of money but he raised 9 children and provided for us well. He loved his wife and he loved all his children deerly. When he passed away, none of us got huge trust funds what we did get were memories of a man who never faltered in his beliefs and morals. I have two brothers and one sister who serve, one is Military and two are Navy. None of them hold positions of grand importance but they believe in serving something bigger them thsemselves and do so openly and willingly with every ounce of their being. They don't make much money at all but they have pride and they everything they have every single day of their lives. I have a friend who since the age of 18 has worked in and out of africa helping children in aids ravished villages for a number of organizations. Because of her work, during a medical procedure and a 5 year old girl, she contracted the HIV virus. Now most people would just huddle up like a turtle and run back home to try and live whatever sort of life was possible after something like that happens, but this very second she's in a Village called Massa in Al-Tabara still helping children. Her last Email to me, not a single word was said about her sickness or her problems, everything was about the kids she works with. Oh and by the way, she calculated once that in the entire time she's been doing this (about 13 years now) she has earned an income of appx. $5,000.00 every two years. She had once saved up about 1 Thousand dollars in an American bank account when she found out that kids in a neighboring village didn't even shirts to go school with, she took every penny she had out of that account and bought as many she could. I'm certain we all know people like this, I'm saying because I think I'm unique for having known these people and I'm not saying that your wrong Baff but these people... these are the people that I respect. These are capable, intelligent, giving human beings that not only do I respect but am proud to know. If someone has nothing other then a really nice car and nice house or business sense to attain those things, what is there really to respect? I'm just saying, there has to be more.
Sounds like you have been surrounded by "true wealth" in your life Shae Next time you talk to your friend, let her know there are some of us out here who will probably never meet her, but respect and admire her for what she does immensely
It is interesting to see the answers here. Many here seem to think that money, and respect, are the only things that matter. If that is the case, then what matters to us here isn't worth much.
If wealth is the sole measure of a good human being, then by stealing your wealth, another person can make you a bad human being.
If respect is the sole measure of a human being, then by convincing the majority you are not respectable, another person can make you a bad human being.
The problem with either wealth, or respect, is that both can be lost, whether it is due to justice, or injustice.
Wisdom though can never be taken away. Which is why if I had to choose between money, and respect, I'd choose a double helping of wisdom, in lieu of either.
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5 weeks ago this friday i quit my job of 12 years.They no longer gave a damn about me and i had not been happy at least for the last 5.
Well 3 months ago i decided to launch the 2nd half of my life and pursue things i cared about.This required me to live a minimal lifestyle.
When i started this i realized i had everything i wanted or needed in the materialistic sense.I also realized that WE make ourselves work for other people by wanting to have the latest and greatest gadgets on the frickin planet.
Well i decided i will not have this anymore.
I have no carpayment.My car insurance is less than $500 a year.I do not own a cell phone.I dont play an mmo atm as there is not 1 to play.I dont eat out and i do not eat fast food.I get my coffee at the local QT on a refill for .63 instead of Starbucks for 3 dollars.I do not carry a credit card bill.If i cant pay cash i dont buy it.
My wife works at IBM and makes a LOT more than me and she works from home.
My new priorities?
1.Spend more time with my daughter.
2.Pursue the artistic side of my personality and make a living at doing so.
3.Do whatever the hell i want when i want.
Recently i found a perfect parttime job for myself.
Im saving more money now than i ever did as a full time employee at a company that could care less about me on a personal level.
So now i drop the kid at school.I go to my "job" delivering catered lunches around town and im done by 1 or 2.Im bringing in enough cash to save a little AND buy groceries and pay a few bills.
You know what i do with the rest of my afternoons now?
I go play frisbee golf.I feel sorry for the people who hate their jobs and are miserable in their lives because they overspent on the credit card.Meanwhile im outside ona nice day enjoying life.Folks we only live once and having to work off debt that you incurred is not the way to live.
BTW im also pursuing my lifelong hobby of photography and im actually selling some pics through local restraunts and coffee houses.Check out my blog where ive put up some pics ive taken PICS.
The key to being happy is being able to respect YOURSELF.Who cares what the millionaire executive thinks about you.Because in the end the same things apply to EVERYONE.We all bleed red and we all die.Live everyday like it was your last and ENJOY it.
I know i am
Want to ENJOY an mmo?
Dont start a guild and dont be a leader or volunteer to be coleader or captain.
That lifestyle wouldn't be feasible if your wife didn't being home a considerable amount of cash. As good as your life sounds, it just doesn't really happen very often.
People aren't the money in the bank account, they aren't their car, they aren't their house. A person cannot get respect from me, just because he alot of material things. It's what you do whenever it counts, that earns you my respect.
Originally posted by baff Originally posted by Babbuun I am not capable of making a difference at the moment. I feel morally obliged to make a difference. I will strive to be a part of a group that I believe is making a difference. Most charities in Finland are religious or at least have something to do with religion. Most current activist groups use despicable populist antics and fight for all the wrong causes, and they really turn me off.
Nonsense. You are using a computer right now. A luxury piece of equipment literally worth the price of a Malawi families food for a number of years. You don't need to join a religious charity, just sell your stuff and send the money to Oxfam.
You are in a perfect position to make a difference, you are just too greedy to do so. You feel morally obliged to do sod all. Which is exactly what you are doing. Talk is cheap. I've heard it all before.
I know where I stand. Next time I suggestyou think about whereyou standbefore you open your mouth and not after.
What you are peddling isn't morals, it's a self righteous fantasy. A way to make yourself feel superior to other people. So yeah, how dare you. Where do you get off preaching at people for being selfish and uncharitable when you have done precisely zero to help anyone ever. Don't bother pretending to me that one day you are going to, your not the type. You've had plenty of opportunity. If you were going to, you would have done so already.
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As for rebuilding all the places I have exploited. The answer is, no. Firstly I haven't exploited anywhere, no matter how much you tell me I have, I haven't. And secondly, when it comes to helping out people and rebuilding, my priorites begin with my loved ones. As soon as I have cured all the evils in the world that addresses them, I will be sure to move on to any African ones.
When I work for charity or make donations it is to funds of my choosing, not yours. Pay for your own guilt. If you want to save Africa and rebuild places you feel you have exploited (and I see no evidence that you actually do) go right ahead. I have other priorities.
I know I'm a hyporcite and what I do is fundamentally wrong and self-contradictory(apparently you don't read my posts fully but get worked up about something and just ignoread the rest), but you just seem to be in denial. If you knew where you stood you wouldn't have needed to type all the things you've typed. The colonialism denial was really the biggest load of bull I've seen. It's like denying the holocaust.
And no. You haven't exploited anything, but the system that has been built for your pleasure has.
It's great you feel like a part of something (your loved ones) but guess what... There's more to life than just wanting to belong to a community and feeling safe. Most people just don't realize this.
So I guess it comes down to who you are rather then how rich you are.
I do not respect Osama for example, regardless of him being rather wealthy or Kim Sung Il or any number of African warlords or Middle eastern dictators.
Drug Dealers, nope, no respect from me.
Rap 'musicians' fall below them all.
Arguing that money is everything is for people who have none but really REALLY want some, at any expense that does not include spending their own.
Rich people know better then anyone how hollow that argument is.
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I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I know I'm a hyporcite and what I do is fundamentally wrong and self-contradictory(apparently you don't read my posts fully but get worked up about something and just ignoread the rest), but you just seem to be in denial. If you knew where you stood you wouldn't have needed to type all the things you've typed. The colonialism denial was really the biggest load of bull I've seen. It's like denying the holocaust.
And no. You haven't exploited anything, but the system that has been built for your pleasure has.
It's great you feel like a part of something (your loved ones) but guess what... There's more to life than just wanting to belong to a community and feeling safe. Most people just don't realize this.
I'm not in denial of colonialism. I fully aware. You think the only thing it brought the world was genocide and slavery and I don't. You try and tell me the figures for global slavery in the years 500 AD to 1850, broken down by continent and origin of slaver. What a load of bollocks. Count them all yourself did you? Well known fact is it? Don't waste my time, trying to tell me about colonialism. You don't know what you are talking about and are making it up as you go along.
While there may be more to life than your loved ones and your community, there isn't an infinite amount of hours in each lifetime. There is only so much a person can do. You must learn to prioritise, if the greatest problems you have in your life are those you see on T.V. in Africa, you are either a hermit, completely insensetive to those around you or truely blessed. Once again you are preaching to me as if you have actually ever done something yourself, the voice of experience. I don't believe you have.
Originally posted by Puoltry I had to respond to this topic.
5 weeks ago this friday i quit my job of 12 years.They no longer gave a damn about me and i had not been happy at least for the last 5.
Well 3 months ago i decided to launch the 2nd half of my life and pursue things i cared about.This required me to live a minimal lifestyle.
When i started this i realized i had everything i wanted or needed in the materialistic sense.I also realized that WE make ourselves work for other people by wanting to have the latest and greatest gadgets on the frickin planet.
Well i decided i will not have this anymore.
I have no carpayment.My car insurance is less than $500 a year.I do not own a cell phone.I dont play an mmo atm as there is not 1 to play.I dont eat out and i do not eat fast food.I get my coffee at the local QT on a refill for .63 instead of Starbucks for 3 dollars.I do not carry a credit card bill.If i cant pay cash i dont buy it.
My wife works at IBM and makes a LOT more than me and she works from home.
My new priorities?
1.Spend more time with my daughter.
2.Pursue the artistic side of my personality and make a living at doing so.
3.Do whatever the hell i want when i want.
Recently i found a perfect parttime job for myself.
Im saving more money now than i ever did as a full time employee at a company that could care less about me on a personal level.
So now i drop the kid at school.I go to my "job" delivering catered lunches around town and im done by 1 or 2.Im bringing in enough cash to save a little AND buy groceries and pay a few bills.
You know what i do with the rest of my afternoons now?
I go play frisbee golf.I feel sorry for the people who hate their jobs and are miserable in their lives because they overspent on the credit card.Meanwhile im outside ona nice day enjoying life.Folks we only live once and having to work off debt that you incurred is not the way to live.
BTW im also pursuing my lifelong hobby of photography and im actually selling some pics through local restraunts and coffee houses.Check out my blog where ive put up some pics ive taken PICS.
The key to being happy is being able to respect YOURSELF.Who cares what the millionaire executive thinks about you.Because in the end the same things apply to EVERYONE.We all bleed red and we all die.Live everyday like it was your last and ENJOY it.
I know i am
I thoroughly approve. Rat-Racing for the sake of it isn't my style.. My yearly outgoings are well under the poverty line. I don't do debt or credit. I want to send my kids to public school, so I'm going to need to start earning again sooner or later.
I'm saving up for the next recession. That's when I'll make my next bundle. Hopefully it will come sooner rather than later.
Originally posted by baff Originally posted by Babbuun
I know I'm a hyporcite and what I do is fundamentally wrong and self-contradictory(apparently you don't read my posts fully but get worked up about something and just ignoread the rest), but you just seem to be in denial. If you knew where you stood you wouldn't have needed to type all the things you've typed. The colonialism denial was really the biggest load of bull I've seen. It's like denying the holocaust.
And no. You haven't exploited anything, but the system that has been built for your pleasure has.
It's great you feel like a part of something (your loved ones) but guess what... There's more to life than just wanting to belong to a community and feeling safe. Most people just don't realize this.
I'm not in denial of colonialism. I fully aware. You think the only thing it brought the world was genocide and slavery and I don't. You try and tell me the figures for global slavery in the years 500 AD to 1850, broken down by continent and origin of slaver. What a load of bollocks. Count them all yourself did you? Well known fact is it? Don't waste my time, trying to tell me about colonialism. You don't know what you are talking about and are making it up as you go along.
While there may be more to life than your loved ones and your community, there isn't an infinite amount of hours in each lifetime. There is only so much a person can do. You must learn to prioritise, if the greatest problems you have in your life are those you see on T.V. in Africa, you are either a hermit, completely insensetive to those around you or truely blessed. Once again you are preaching to me as if you have actually ever done something yourself, the voice of experience. I don't believe you have.
You should know there are several types of experience. Or do you think every single person should stick their hand into a furnace when they saw it the first time? There are certain things we learn from observation, and certain things we learn from experience. My step-father is a major part of several Christian charities in Africa and Asia frequents these continents. I've looked into his projects and conversed with him about them. He doesn't bring food with bibles actually quite far from it, but the association of religion with charity still sickens me.
I looked up some info, feel free to look up some other info and disagree, it's not like I came up with the 500-1850 thing.
Again whatever my status socially, mentally or physically is has nothing to do whether what I say is truthful or not. Just because I don't live it, doesn't mean I can't say it(as long as I'm not claiming to live it, which I don't think I've done). I do intervene with every person I see needs my help (teenage drunkards, homeless people, people who get hurt physically or suffer from epileptic seizures*, people who are about to fight, etc).
I am consciously insensitive and provocative - some people like me for it, others don't. I do know when to turn this mode off, though, if I can see the person on the receiving end is not going to benefit from my words.
*I am a trained army medic and studying medicine so I will be able to help people concretely.
Originally posted by Babbuun I've been browsing these forums every once in a while and have come across this mentality quite often. It seems like many people consider money and material wealth directly attached to respect and success as a human being. I'd just like to start a little poll/discussion here about it. I voted "not really", feel free to ask why.
You should know there are several types of experience. Or do you think every single person should stick their hand into a furnace when they saw it the first time? There are certain things we learn from observation, and certain things we learn from experience. My step-father is a major part of several Christian charities in Africa and Asia frequents these continents. I've looked into his projects and conversed with him about them. He doesn't bring food with bibles actually quite far from it, but the association of religion with charity still sickens me.
I looked up some info, feel free to look up some other info and disagree, it's not like I came up with the 500-1850 thing.
Again whatever my status socially, mentally or physically is has nothing to do whether what I say is truthful or not. Just because I don't live it, doesn't mean I can't say it(as long as I'm not claiming to live it, which I don't think I've done). I do intervene with every person I see needs my help (teenage drunkards, homeless people, people who get hurt physically or suffer from epileptic seizures*, people who are about to fight, etc).
I am consciously insensitive and provocative - some people like me for it, others don't. I do know when to turn this mode off, though, if I can see the person on the receiving end is not going to benefit from my words.
*I am a trained army medic and studying medicine so I will be able to help people concretely.
You are a rich individual living in the west you have been able you help people concretely for many years now. I'm an army trained medic too, incidently. It didn't prevent me from charitable involvement by your age.
Whether the 500-1800 was your idea or not, you chose to subscribe to it and offer it as evidence rather than assess any factual basis for it. You words lack credability.
You have plenty of experience, experience of doing nothing. Being a self confessed hypocrite doesn't excuse you or make your words somehow true. It invalidates them. If you are unable to take your own opinions seriously, it would be a very large mistake for you to expect others too. Especially after pointing that out to them.
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So that is what the European Histroy Revisionsts are teaching what colonialism was now?
1- You colonialist son's of -censored- went throughout the world.
2- You son's of -censored- established colonies every where.
3- You basically enslaved the populace.
4- You took one minority and treated them better then the majority in your colony. This is a Machiavellian strategy where you take a weak group and force them to rely on a foriegn power for their safety/empowerment. This was used to strengthen your hold on the colony.
5- When you worthless colonial bastards left, you left ethnic devision because of #4 and guess what you did next?
6- The West supplied arms to the ethnic factions and let them fight civil wars for profit and the continued ruination of that former colony.
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I like money alot and I do see people getting more respect than people who could be classified as poor and for many reasons. Look at hurricane Katrina and how the poor got the shaft but the people who could afford laywers mostly got decent settlements and the poor who couldnt got told it was water damage and that their insurance doesnt cover floods. When I go sit at a 5/10$ blind NL holdem table at the casino I always notice all the action and most of the hot girls watching the 25/50$ games because there is more money involved. People are fiends for the all mighty dollar trust me I know I used to be a "cookie" dealer back in the day and know just what lengths some people go to for money and now I am a contractor that has to negotiate my wages on every new job I do so getting the best price possible is a priority. Will we ever evolve a better system then the monetary one? I cant really see it happening anytime soon because it just has a grip on every facet of human life!
FACT: Being poor sucks ass! FACT: Being rich is awsome! I have been bolth so I know and thats just the true reality of things.
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Money != Respect to me.
Wealthy people can lose that money to someone who is slicker and more ruthless. (Like lawyers)
What equals respect to me? If you treat me with respect. If you don't, then I won't.
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If someone has a nice car and a really nice house, there is a very good chance that there is more to them than just that. Nice cars and nice houses aren't easy to get.
To assume that financially successful people are generally vaccuos is to be ignoring what limited evidence that provides.
Maybe he has Aids and a nice car. Maybe his dad's a tramp, his mothers a junky, and he's got a brand new Mercedes. I can think of a few of my rich friends who've seen their own fair share of adversity. I'm alot prouder of my wealthy friends who have overcome adversity than I am of my poorer ones who have wallowed in it. And those that have been born into it, aren't people I readily dismiss anymore than those who live on the street or anywhere else.
Wealth isn't the be all and end all of a person, but it is an easy to recognise indicator of a persons intelligence, capablilities, aptitude and drive.
Western countries bought people for extremely cheap and kept them enslaved and without rights for a very long time. Western countries also supplied the Africans in power with the opportunity to get rich very easily and increased corruption and tyranny in African countries. You can't dismiss them all for what a few GREEDY people did.
Dude you should use your brain for thinking about other things than self-justification.
Everybody bought people and enslaved them without rights. Not just Westerns. The entire planet. It should not be lost on you that Western people pretty much put an end to this practise world wide. No one else. Not black people, not yellow people. White people. Obviously it hasn't been completely stamped out, but it almost has in Western influenced countries. Another little reason that makes me proud to British. Rule Britiannia.
And yes the black people white people bought in Africa were bought from indigineous slavers who were themselves black. Black people are advised to check their family trees carefully before going off into any diatribes.
Why don't you sell your computer and donate the money to Africa? You could feed a family for years with that kind of money. How dare you talk to me about greed. Put your money where your mouth is. If you believe you owe them something, pay up or shut up.
You should park your self righteous ignorance and pay more attention in school.
So that is what the European Histroy Revisionsts are teaching what colonialism was now?
1- You colonialist son's of -censored- went throughout the world.
2- You son's of -censored- established colonies every where.
3- You basically enslaved the populace.
4- You took one minority and treated them better then the majority in your colony. This is a Machiavellian strategy where you take a weak group and force them to rely on a foriegn power for their safety/empowerment. This was used to strengthen your hold on the colony.
5- When you worthless colonial bastards left, you left ethnic devision because of #4 and guess what you did next?
6- The West supplied arms to the ethnic factions and let them fight civil wars for profit and the continued ruination of that former colony.
Yes and we also left farms, roads, railways, schools, hospitals, medecine, government, universities, industry, mining, science, organised religion, mechanisation, literacy, libraries, architecture, beurocracy, mathematics, geography, unified language...to name but a few.
We want to get rich, to do this we need wealthy people to trade with, not poor people. For business to be good business, all parties must benefit.
Western countries bought people for extremely cheap and kept them enslaved and without rights for a very long time. Western countries also supplied the Africans in power with the opportunity to get rich very easily and increased corruption and tyranny in African countries. You can't dismiss them all for what a few GREEDY people did.
Dude you should use your brain for thinking about other things than self-justification.
Everybody bought people and enslaved them without rights. Not just Westerns. The entire planet. It should not be lost on you that Western people pretty much put an end to this practise world wide. No one else. Not black people, not yellow people. White people. Obviously it hasn't been completely stamped out, but it almost has in Western influenced countries. Another little reason that makes me proud to British. Rule Britiannia.
And yes the black people white people bought in Africa were bought from indigineous slavers who were themselves black. Black people are advised to check their family trees carefully before going off into any diatribes.
Why don't you sell your computer and donate the money to Africa? You could feed a family for years with that kind of money. How dare you talk to me about greed. Put your money where your mouth is. If you believe you owe them something, pay up or shut up.
You should park your self righteous ignorance and pay more attention in school.
How dare I talk to you about greed? How dare you... Such a strong and violent expression. Seems like I hit a nerve. I didn't talk to you about greed in person, I answered your post with general arguements I believe in. Hell I don't even know you, but you're taking this to a personal level instead of an ideological one.
I apologise for saying "people who make money are greedy". It's an overstatement. I'll say people who make unreasonable amounts of money off other people and then refuse to share are greedy.
The fact that there were black slavers that kidnapped people and sold people to white men doesn't make an ounce of difference towards the actions of the white man. They were condoning the actions of the black slaver and thus approving kidnapping.
From 1500-1850, ~the same amount of people was used by western countries as eastern countries had used in the longer time span of 600-1900. The western countries were making the business thrive to proportions that it had never seen before.
Western countries may have abolished slavery, but it's just the start to what should be done to rebuilding the places we exploited to upkeep our well-being.
I am not capable of making a difference at the moment. I feel morally obliged to make a difference. I will strive to be a part of a group that I believe is making a difference. Most charities in Finland are religious or at least have something to do with religion. Most current activist groups use despicable populist antics and fight for all the wrong causes, and they really turn me off.
I am a moralist preacher and an egotistical prick and I'm used to being hated. I am also a hypocrite, there's no denying that. If you want to vent your anger at disliking people with different ideologies than yours (which is straight out of an advertisement may I add*), feel free to do it on me. Hope it gets you thinking about where you stand when you get so upset over such a minute issue.
The media and government of all western nations is populated by a majority of mildly or severely capitalist people. You win man, no need to be upset... Greed and capitalsim isn't going to fall unless some huge ecologic or economic catastrophe strikes.
* Is your car not big enough, how about your house? The bigger your car, the more succesful you are and the more women will come to you. You've seen it in the movies and in commercials, buy a Hummer.
Nonsense. You are using a computer right now. A luxury piece of equipment literally worth the price of a Malawi families food for a number of years. You don't need to join a religious charity, just sell your stuff and send the money to Oxfam.
You are in a perfect position to make a difference, you are just too greedy to do so. You feel morally obliged to do sod all. Which is exactly what you are doing. Talk is cheap. I've heard it all before.
I know where I stand. Next time I suggest you think about where you stand before you open your mouth and not after.
What you are peddling isn't morals, it's a self righteous fantasy. A way to make yourself feel superior to other people. So yeah, how dare you. Where do you get off preaching at people for being selfish and uncharitable when you have done precisely zero to help anyone ever. Don't bother pretending to me that one day you are going to, your not the type. You've had plenty of opportunity. If you were going to, you would have done so already.
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As for rebuilding all the places I have exploited. The answer is, no. Firstly I haven't exploited anywhere, no matter how much you tell me I have, I haven't. And secondly, when it comes to helping out people and rebuilding, my priorites begin with my loved ones. As soon as I have cured all the evils in the world that addresses them, I will be sure to move on to any African ones.
When I work for charity or make donations it is to funds of my choosing, not yours. Pay for your own guilt. If you want to save Africa and rebuild places you feel you have exploited (and I see no evidence that you actually do) go right ahead. I have other priorities.
I have two brothers and one sister who serve, one is Military and two are Navy. None of them hold positions of grand importance but they believe in serving something bigger them thsemselves and do so openly and willingly with every ounce of their being. They don't make much money at all but they have pride and they everything they have every single day of their lives.
I have a friend who since the age of 18 has worked in and out of africa helping children in aids ravished villages for a number of organizations. Because of her work, during a medical procedure and a 5 year old girl, she contracted the HIV virus. Now most people would just huddle up like a turtle and run back home to try and live whatever sort of life was possible after something like that happens, but this very second she's in a Village called Massa in Al-Tabara still helping children. Her last Email to me, not a single word was said about her sickness or her problems, everything was about the kids she works with. Oh and by the way, she calculated once that in the entire time she's been doing this (about 13 years now) she has earned an income of appx. $5,000.00 every two years. She had once saved up about 1 Thousand dollars in an American bank account when she found out that kids in a neighboring village didn't even shirts to go school with, she took every penny she had out of that account and bought as many she could.
I'm certain we all know people like this, I'm saying because I think I'm unique for having known these people and I'm not saying that your wrong Baff but these people... these are the people that I respect.
These are capable, intelligent, giving human beings that not only do I respect but am proud to know. If someone has nothing other then a really nice car and nice house or business sense to attain those things, what is there really to respect?
I'm just saying, there has to be more.
Sounds like you have been surrounded by "true wealth" in your life Shae
Next time you talk to your friend, let her know there are some of us out here who will probably never meet her, but respect and admire her for what she does immensely
It is interesting to see the answers here. Many here seem to think that money, and respect, are the only things that matter. If that is the case, then what matters to us here isn't worth much.
If wealth is the sole measure of a good human being, then by stealing your wealth, another person can make you a bad human being.
If respect is the sole measure of a human being, then by convincing the majority you are not respectable, another person can make you a bad human being.
The problem with either wealth, or respect, is that both can be lost, whether it is due to justice, or injustice.
Wisdom though can never be taken away. Which is why if I had to choose between money, and respect, I'd choose a double helping of wisdom, in lieu of either.
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5 weeks ago this friday i quit my job of 12 years.They no longer gave a damn about me and i had not been happy at least for the last 5.
Well 3 months ago i decided to launch the 2nd half of my life and pursue things i cared about.This required me to live a minimal lifestyle.
When i started this i realized i had everything i wanted or needed in the materialistic sense.I also realized that WE make ourselves work for other people by wanting to have the latest and greatest gadgets on the frickin planet.
Well i decided i will not have this anymore.
I have no carpayment.My car insurance is less than $500 a year.I do not own a cell phone.I dont play an mmo atm as there is not 1 to play.I dont eat out and i do not eat fast food.I get my coffee at the local QT on a refill for .63 instead of Starbucks for 3 dollars.I do not carry a credit card bill.If i cant pay cash i dont buy it.
My wife works at IBM and makes a LOT more than me and she works from home.
My new priorities?
1.Spend more time with my daughter.
2.Pursue the artistic side of my personality and make a living at doing so.
3.Do whatever the hell i want when i want.
Recently i found a perfect parttime job for myself.
Im saving more money now than i ever did as a full time employee at a company that could care less about me on a personal level.
So now i drop the kid at school.I go to my "job" delivering catered lunches around town and im done by 1 or 2.Im bringing in enough cash to save a little AND buy groceries and pay a few bills.
You know what i do with the rest of my afternoons now?
I go play frisbee golf.I feel sorry for the people who hate their jobs and are miserable in their lives because they overspent on the credit card.Meanwhile im outside ona nice day enjoying life.Folks we only live once and having to work off debt that you incurred is not the way to live.
BTW im also pursuing my lifelong hobby of photography and im actually selling some pics through local restraunts and coffee houses.Check out my blog where ive put up some pics ive taken PICS.
The key to being happy is being able to respect YOURSELF.Who cares what the millionaire executive thinks about you.Because in the end the same things apply to EVERYONE.We all bleed red and we all die.Live everyday like it was your last and ENJOY it.
I know i am
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It's what you do whenever it counts, that earns you my respect.
Nonsense. You are using a computer right now. A luxury piece of equipment literally worth the price of a Malawi families food for a number of years. You don't need to join a religious charity, just sell your stuff and send the money to Oxfam.
You are in a perfect position to make a difference, you are just too greedy to do so. You feel morally obliged to do sod all. Which is exactly what you are doing. Talk is cheap. I've heard it all before.
I know where I stand. Next time I suggest you think about where you stand before you open your mouth and not after.
What you are peddling isn't morals, it's a self righteous fantasy. A way to make yourself feel superior to other people. So yeah, how dare you. Where do you get off preaching at people for being selfish and uncharitable when you have done precisely zero to help anyone ever. Don't bother pretending to me that one day you are going to, your not the type. You've had plenty of opportunity. If you were going to, you would have done so already.
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As for rebuilding all the places I have exploited. The answer is, no. Firstly I haven't exploited anywhere, no matter how much you tell me I have, I haven't. And secondly, when it comes to helping out people and rebuilding, my priorites begin with my loved ones. As soon as I have cured all the evils in the world that addresses them, I will be sure to move on to any African ones.
When I work for charity or make donations it is to funds of my choosing, not yours. Pay for your own guilt. If you want to save Africa and rebuild places you feel you have exploited (and I see no evidence that you actually do) go right ahead. I have other priorities.
I know I'm a hyporcite and what I do is fundamentally wrong and self-contradictory(apparently you don't read my posts fully but get worked up about something and just ignoread the rest), but you just seem to be in denial. If you knew where you stood you wouldn't have needed to type all the things you've typed. The colonialism denial was really the biggest load of bull I've seen. It's like denying the holocaust.
And no. You haven't exploited anything, but the system that has been built for your pleasure has.
It's great you feel like a part of something (your loved ones) but guess what... There's more to life than just wanting to belong to a community and feeling safe. Most people just don't realize this.
Totally depends on how you aquired them.
Nobel Prize = respect
Robbed someone = Not so much respect
So I guess it comes down to who you are rather then how rich you are.
I do not respect Osama for example, regardless of him being rather wealthy or Kim Sung Il or any number of African warlords or Middle eastern dictators.
Drug Dealers, nope, no respect from me.
Rap 'musicians' fall below them all.
Arguing that money is everything is for people who have none but really REALLY want some, at any expense that does not include spending their own.
Rich people know better then anyone how hollow that argument is.
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I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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And no. You haven't exploited anything, but the system that has been built for your pleasure has.
It's great you feel like a part of something (your loved ones) but guess what... There's more to life than just wanting to belong to a community and feeling safe. Most people just don't realize this.
I'm not in denial of colonialism. I fully aware. You think the only thing it brought the world was genocide and slavery and I don't. You try and tell me the figures for global slavery in the years 500 AD to 1850, broken down by continent and origin of slaver. What a load of bollocks. Count them all yourself did you? Well known fact is it? Don't waste my time, trying to tell me about colonialism. You don't know what you are talking about and are making it up as you go along.
While there may be more to life than your loved ones and your community, there isn't an infinite amount of hours in each lifetime. There is only so much a person can do. You must learn to prioritise, if the greatest problems you have in your life are those you see on T.V. in Africa, you are either a hermit, completely insensetive to those around you or truely blessed. Once again you are preaching to me as if you have actually ever done something yourself, the voice of experience. I don't believe you have.
I thoroughly approve. Rat-Racing for the sake of it isn't my style.. My yearly outgoings are well under the poverty line. I don't do debt or credit. I want to send my kids to public school, so I'm going to need to start earning again sooner or later.
I'm saving up for the next recession. That's when I'll make my next bundle. Hopefully it will come sooner rather than later.
And no. You haven't exploited anything, but the system that has been built for your pleasure has.
It's great you feel like a part of something (your loved ones) but guess what... There's more to life than just wanting to belong to a community and feeling safe. Most people just don't realize this.
I'm not in denial of colonialism. I fully aware. You think the only thing it brought the world was genocide and slavery and I don't. You try and tell me the figures for global slavery in the years 500 AD to 1850, broken down by continent and origin of slaver. What a load of bollocks. Count them all yourself did you? Well known fact is it? Don't waste my time, trying to tell me about colonialism. You don't know what you are talking about and are making it up as you go along.
While there may be more to life than your loved ones and your community, there isn't an infinite amount of hours in each lifetime. There is only so much a person can do. You must learn to prioritise, if the greatest problems you have in your life are those you see on T.V. in Africa, you are either a hermit, completely insensetive to those around you or truely blessed. Once again you are preaching to me as if you have actually ever done something yourself, the voice of experience. I don't believe you have.
You should know there are several types of experience. Or do you think every single person should stick their hand into a furnace when they saw it the first time? There are certain things we learn from observation, and certain things we learn from experience. My step-father is a major part of several Christian charities in Africa and Asia frequents these continents. I've looked into his projects and conversed with him about them. He doesn't bring food with bibles actually quite far from it, but the association of religion with charity still sickens me.
I looked up some info, feel free to look up some other info and disagree, it's not like I came up with the 500-1850 thing.
Again whatever my status socially, mentally or physically is has nothing to do whether what I say is truthful or not. Just because I don't live it, doesn't mean I can't say it(as long as I'm not claiming to live it, which I don't think I've done). I do intervene with every person I see needs my help (teenage drunkards, homeless people, people who get hurt physically or suffer from epileptic
seizures*, people who are about to fight, etc).
I am consciously insensitive and provocative - some people like me for it, others don't. I do know when to turn this mode off, though, if I can see the person on the receiving end is not going to benefit from my words.
*I am a trained army medic and studying medicine so I will be able to help people concretely.
You are a rich individual living in the west you have been able you help people concretely for many years now. I'm an army trained medic too, incidently. It didn't prevent me from charitable involvement by your age.
Whether the 500-1800 was your idea or not, you chose to subscribe to it and offer it as evidence rather than assess any factual basis for it. You words lack credability.
You have plenty of experience, experience of doing nothing. Being a self confessed hypocrite doesn't excuse you or make your words somehow true. It invalidates them. If you are unable to take your own opinions seriously, it would be a very large mistake for you to expect others too. Especially after pointing that out to them.