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Are you buying a Christmas tree or Holiday Tree?
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This issue came up last year and I am wondering if it will again pop up in our news this year? Has the issue been resolved or will political correctness surface and try to stifle the CHRISTMAS spirit.
I believe the Christmas Tree is a Christmas Tree. Thats what its always been called, and that is, as far as Im concerned, what it will always be called. The tree itself is a less spiritualized symbol of the holiday as it is after all, Christmas in its true purpose is not really about trees and Santa Claus and gift giving, its about the birth of Jesus. To further reduce the meaning of the holiday to the word Holiday makes it so general that it doesnt mean anything at all to anyone at all. And I dont think thats right.
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It's Christmas, Christams Eve, Christmas Holidays, Christmas TREE!!!! Whats wrong with some people? Why would they wan't to call it Holiday Tree? What is a holiday tree? Will we also have a tree for easter and another for summer or something?... In my opinon that's retarded! Christams is one of the most beatifull times of the year... Not only for the presents, the streets are all pretty and I get to see my whole family.... Don't let them ruin Christmas...
Who wants to do that name change by the way? Where did you read that?
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It is ridiculous, but some people think its not polically correct. Like putting up a Christmas tree in a public place or using the word Christmas. This was a big debate last year
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Another example of this BS
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Here are some examples of issues that surface during holiday season. Hard to believe, but they are true.
Some of the stuff on here are so ridiculous, its funny
Liberty Counsel Sample Listing of Christmas Issues
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I hate tree's.
I've cut down three this week. I much prefer sitting in my chair.
I look forward to cutting down another to celebrate Christmas.
It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't.
What the hell is a holiday tree?
You make us sound as if next on our agenda was to blow up a nativity scene with that extremist label.
It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't.
I have very strange religious beliefs but I still get a Christmas tree because its something my family did every year since i was a kid and just feels right during the holiday season. I hope people just learn to accept other peoples tradition especialy one so widley used and recognized and even though I dont believe Jesus was divine I still respect his work and people let the man have his day. To the OP there are some morons on every side of the isle so please dont assume every secular minded liberal is out to take your religion away or make peace with terrorists because we mostly want the same things you want we just go about it differantly.
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Aiyaaa its just a freaking tree.
There's no war on Christmas, liberals like me aren't trying to blow your religion up, and the world won't end because people rename Scotch pine, Douglas fir, Noble fir, Fraser fir, Virginia pine, Balsam fir and white pine trees as Christmas or Holiday trees.
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Personally, it's just semantics to me. I don't think very many people in the US actually celebrate Jesus' birth at Christmas. Though, I think since everyone has called it a Christmas tree for so long, we might as well keep calling it that.
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At first, when they started to call the Christmas season the Holiday season I considered it semantics as well, but now that the whole holliday tree thing has begun, I no longer consider either one to be simply semantics. I'm not sure what you mean that Christmas isn't based on Christian beliefs...other than that we know Jesus wasn't actually born on December 25th...The celebration of it with gift giving is a "recreation"(for lack of a better word) of the gift giving of the wisemen...as well as the gifts that Jesus brought the people of hte world.
But you are right that most christians don't actually celebrate Jesus' birth on Christmas, the holiday is rediculously commercialized...kinda sad that we have made Jesus' birth into a chance to get a Nintendo Wii
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
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Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
You make us sound as if next on our agenda was to blow up a nativity scene with that extremist label.
LMAO how fucking hilarious would that be? The next Al Queda plot involves 3 terrorists simultaneously blowing themselves up while stood inside the harrod's nativity scene, causing no casualties but making the point that Christmas is bad ^^ I'd cry with laughter at that, I really would. I'd then cry with even more laughter when the rightwing christian nutjobs used that as their torch to light the way into Iran, because what 'they' did was 'wrong.'
On topic, the idea is actually even less educated and informed than our school's recent one of calling the Christmas concert 'the Xmas concert', because the X takes 'Christ' out of the name. How f*cking retarded do you have to be to not realise that 'X' in 'Xmas' represents the word 'Christ' as it is in the greek (I think) alphabet?? Idiots. While I was a Christian, I constantly while typing called myself a Xian, purely to cut corners when making notes, BECAUSE the X='Christ'. Calling it a holiday tree instead of a Christmas tree is plain stupid, because the tree has absolutely no ties with Christmas whatsoever. I don't think it's even worth explaining why really. *Note you can now view Modjoe's link to have that explained* The presents are only there because that's how the story of St. Nicholas evolved, and St. Nicholas did NOT give presents because it was the birthday of Jesus, it was purely to help children.
It's also worth noting that Christmas is a Roman/Pagan holiday, not a Christian one - until recently noone has even known of the birth date of Jesus, and as such it was merely placed over the Roman festival to make the transition from worship of the Emperor to worship of God easier.
Oh, and half of the things from the Liberty Counsel link are totally acceptable imho. Letting kids say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Happy Christmas" when they dont believe in Jesus Christ is just common sense imho. And I wish to God that in the UK people would be stopped from distributing those f*cking little "Jesus loves you" leaflets... We tend to burn them in the highstreets if someone has a lighter. Jehova's witnesses ftl.
EDIT: Shouldn't type long sentences while so tired -_-
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I don't think me or Modjoe are trying to say you shouldn't celebrate it then because you're ripping off other's holidays, or because you got the date wrong. Certainly, the point I'm trying to make is that people should not be insulted or feel threatened by the so-called 'secular extremeists' as it's not a Christian thing they're trying to undermine, nor do you have any cause to call a Christmas tree a Christmas tree, because it was not a Christian idea to use it.
That makes no sense I'm sure, but I hope you can fathom out of it what I was trying to say :P I'm too tired
It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't.
what, you're refering to "ween"?
No matter what people think, Christmas is traditionatelly a Christian Holiday.
what, you're refering to "ween"?
No matter what people think, Christmas is traditionatelly a Christian Holiday.
No, it's traditionally a pagan holiday. When your religion is only 1700 years old and there's others dating back 3 millenia, that's when you step aside my friend ^^