Originally posted by addiob anyone that says " i reached level 20 " as if it was something very far or hard to reach , didnt play that much of guildwars. learning how to get in decent groups is much harder then reaching lvl 20. , yes you have to learn how to do it , just like in real life , you have to learn to chose the good from the bad locations to make friends. guildwars as 2.5 million acounts sold , i have no clue how many people play at the same time , but lets say a small number to avoid flames , lets say 100 k max. 25 completely diferent groups of 100 k people size. you cant possibly judge the comunity from playing 20 hours in one week. if you played with lets say with 100 people , joining pugs everyday for a week is easy to reach 100. still , thats 0.001 % of the 100 k that were playing that week ... and you still missed the other 25 groups of 100 k out there that sometimes log in and are joining pugs also. soooo , plz , everyone , not just the op , dont judge this game comunity , if you played 100 hours. becose you just know like , 0.00001 % of the whole comunity. speak about your experience , but dont say its the game foult. one of the reasons i love this game is becose is cooperative , that means comunity.
yuo say this and i understand there are nice and nasty people in communitys but what im saying is that an mmorpg should have more points in the game to communicate than what it does. lets take WoW forinstance. you wait outside the instance you want to get in and you wait there and others your level come along and you have a nice chat and say what you want / need and wehey your in a party and its all fun and games.
but in guildwars you enter a dungeon area and you have to do random groups.... but even if you dont its hard to find other players your level because of the simple fact you cant see them in action. and the only way you can is by grouping with them.
you could group with a lvl 20 warrior who has lvl 10 weapons in pvp... that helps noone but in WoW you can see them fighting and if you think "yeah i need a warrior in my group" have a chit chat and BAM make an uber group
(i dislike WoW but its the only game i feel has a nice community) You waited outside instances in WoW? Wierd, except for SM that was usually a rather bad way to get groups. Most groups formed in towns. And the ones forming at the instances were usually rather awful PUGs full of other groups rejects.
Free games attract people who cant pay for a premium service.
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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth Free games attract people who cant pay for a premium service.
Guild wars is no worse than Barrenes chat, it just replicates Barrens chat in more places. I don't think fees really affect it all that much. Plenty of dumb spoiled kids playing all kinds of MMORPGs.
Originally posted by addiob anyone that says " i reached level 20 " as if it was something very far or hard to reach , didnt play that much of guildwars. learning how to get in decent groups is much harder then reaching lvl 20. , yes you have to learn how to do it , just like in real life , you have to learn to chose the good from the bad locations to make friends. guildwars as 2.5 million acounts sold , i have no clue how many people play at the same time , but lets say a small number to avoid flames , lets say 100 k max.25 completely diferent groups of 100 k people size.you cant possibly judge the comunity from playing 20 hours in one week.if you played with lets say with 100 people , joining pugs everyday for a week is easy to reach 100.still , thats 0.001 % of the 100 k that were playing that week ... and you still missed the other 25 groups of 100 k out there that sometimes log in and are joining pugs also. soooo , plz , everyone , not just the op , dont judge this game comunity , if you played 100 hours. becose you just know like , 0.00001 % of the whole comunity. speak about your experience , but dont say its the game foult. one of the reasons i love this game is becose is cooperative , that means comunity.
yuo say this and i understand there are nice and nasty people in communitys but what im saying is that an mmorpg should have more points in the game to communicate than what it does.lets take WoW forinstance. you wait outside the instance you want to get in and you wait there and others your level come along and you have a nice chat and say what you want / need and wehey your in a party and its all fun and games.but in guildwars you enter a dungeon area and you have to do random groups.... but even if you dont its hard to find other players your level because of the simple fact you cant see them in action. and the only way you can is by grouping with them.you could group with a lvl 20 warrior who has lvl 10 weapons in pvp... that helps noonebut in WoW you can see them fighting and if you think "yeah i need a warrior in my group" have a chit chat and BAM make an uber group(i dislike WoW but its the only game i feel has a nice community)
yes , i understand wow and guildwars have a diferent grouping system , and thats where guild wars is more diferent from any other mmo , if fact its so diferent , people that are used to the classic system ie wow ( big territory, grouping outside is comun ) , cant manage to learn this new way of grouping in guildwars and so cant learn dealing with the comunity , im not saying if one is better then the other , but look it this way , all people in the game that need a group are in towns. then you say its hard to find people with your level , i think one of the ways to do it , is to learn what words to use when calling people to make a group , or saying what you are and for what you want to grop with, after that ofcorse we have normal chating in the team chat , and even go to ventrilo or teamspeak with totaly random people. i also think guildwars is designed to spread people around , so that some places are not so "elite" , imo , this is make more experience people play with less experienced people , so that you can learn from comunity also , and not just the story line , that is a learning curve as you open map.
Omg you guys this game does not have a bad community to it. You guys must have played like sme time ago when there was a bad community but not now. Theres been like alot of guilds appearing that wants to help people that are stuck and dont no wat to do. It must be you guys who are making a bad community out of guild wars but let me tell you this game does not have a bad community at all. You guys are like making it sound like ur trying to make other people play something else so you can be the strongest in this game.
Originally posted by dragado123 Omg you guys this game does not have a bad community to it. You guys must have played like sme time ago when there was a bad community but not now. Theres been like alot of guilds appearing that wants to help people that are stuck and dont no wat to do. It must be you guys who are making a bad community out of guild wars but let me tell you this game does not have a bad community at all. You guys are like making it sound like ur trying to make other people play something else so you can be the strongest in this game.
LOL , good point , they sure have to do it badly , becose im playing this game for 17 months
Originally posted by dragado123 Omg you guys this game does not have a bad community to it. You guys must have played like sme time ago when there was a bad community but not now. Theres been like alot of guilds appearing that wants to help people that are stuck and dont no wat to do. It must be you guys who are making a bad community out of guild wars but let me tell you this game does not have a bad community at all. You guys are like making it sound like ur trying to make other people play something else so you can be the strongest in this game.
There are always tosn of guilds recruiting and offering to help new recruits this is a fact. I can't go into a major and not see people recruituing.
But people like the OP and apparently most other MMORPG.com goers seem to think it is the bad apples who sit around all day talk out their assess on local chat and never actual join a guild are the community of an MMORPG. They want random interaction and to have all disruptions from people they don't know to a minimum. Like I said above it is neurotic and unrealistic to expect such things from a place with such a large population, but that doesn't stop them. Its not a battle worth fighting. There is no logic to it.
Originally posted by gestalt11 Originally posted by dragado123 Omg you guys this game does not have a bad community to it. You guys must have played like sme time ago when there was a bad community but not now. Theres been like alot of guilds appearing that wants to help people that are stuck and dont no wat to do. It must be you guys who are making a bad community out of guild wars but let me tell you this game does not have a bad community at all. You guys are like making it sound like ur trying to make other people play something else so you can be the strongest in this game.
There are always tosn of guilds recruiting and offering to help new recruits this is a fact. I can't go into a major and not see people recruituing.
But people like the OP and apparently most other MMORPG.com goers seem to think it is the bad apples who sit around all day talk out their assess on local chat and never actual join a guild are the community of an MMORPG. They want random interaction and to have all disruptions from people they don't know to a minimum. Like I said above it is neurotic and unrealistic to expect such things from a place with such a large population, but that doesn't stop them. Its not a battle worth fighting. There is no logic to it. This is 100% true. Just go to Ascalon City and if you cant see a message with : "Recruiting blabla guild , etc." in 10 or less seconds, i owe you 50 bucks. The ammount of guilds are enermous. A lot of beginners, level 10-15, make a guild and just recruit people with fake talkings. Thats too bad about the community, you cant tell if its a real guild or just some dude that needs guild members.
Just keep on playing and find urself some friends, to regurly play with, else its boring. Solo farming is good, but boring, and from my expierence, its hard to sell stuff on GW.
Originally posted by X-Gogeta Originally posted by gestalt11 Originally posted by dragado123 Omg you guys this game does not have a bad community to it. You guys must have played like sme time ago when there was a bad community but not now. Theres been like alot of guilds appearing that wants to help people that are stuck and dont no wat to do. It must be you guys who are making a bad community out of guild wars but let me tell you this game does not have a bad community at all. You guys are like making it sound like ur trying to make other people play something else so you can be the strongest in this game.
There are always tosn of guilds recruiting and offering to help new recruits this is a fact. I can't go into a major and not see people recruituing.
But people like the OP and apparently most other MMORPG.com goers seem to think it is the bad apples who sit around all day talk out their assess on local chat and never actual join a guild are the community of an MMORPG. They want random interaction and to have all disruptions from people they don't know to a minimum. Like I said above it is neurotic and unrealistic to expect such things from a place with such a large population, but that doesn't stop them. Its not a battle worth fighting. There is no logic to it.
This is 100% true. Just go to Ascalon City and if you cant see a message with : "Recruiting blabla guild , etc." in 10 or less seconds, i owe you 50 bucks. The ammount of guilds are enermous. A lot of beginners, level 10-15, make a guild and just recruit people with fake talkings. Thats too bad about the community, you cant tell if its a real guild or just some dude that needs guild members.
Just keep on playing and find urself some friends, to regurly play with, else its boring. Solo farming is good, but boring, and from my expierence, its hard to sell stuff on GW.
true , but you can join the guild and leave 5 seconds after if it was fake tellings , just never pay your way in a guild , thats a skam for sure.
Originally posted by KillerJimmy If only companies would start releasing 18+ only servers, but I expect it could never be enforced anyway. Anyway: thanks for the heads up, I will avoid GW at all costs.
And you'd be naive to think that alone would solve the problem. I've met far too many people that were 18+ that were some of the worst of the bunch. THE nastiest, snotiest, most elitest stuck up jerks you'd ever meet. Not to mention the fact that there's no way to enforce such a thing over the internet. Just as an example, there's a 13+ age restriction on Guild Wars, yet kids below that age still play.
Originally posted by KillerJimmy If only companies would start releasing 18+ only servers, but I expect it could never be enforced anyway. Anyway: thanks for the heads up, I will avoid GW at all costs.
And you'd be naive to think that alone would solve the problem. I've met far too many people that were 18+ that were some of the worst of the bunch. THE nastiest, snotiest, most elitest stuck up jerks you'd ever meet. Not to mention the fact that there's no way to enforce such a thing over the internet. Just as an example, there's a 13+ age restriction on Guild Wars, yet kids below that age still play.
There are some younger kids taht act like mature adults to 18 + can b just as bad as other person in guildwars.
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Originally posted by KillerJimmy Wow, it sounds like you've found an MMO with a worse "community" than WoW... *shudder* If only companies would start releasing 18+ only servers, but I expect it could never be enforced anyway. Anyway: thanks for the heads up, I will avoid GW at all costs.
This is the best post I have seen in a while. You are basically saying...."Wow...I can not make a decision for myself so I am going to go let this one thread determine my gaming habits." It is quite impressive that you let someone else's take on something effect you so strongly.
What driving is dangerous....damn, thanks for the heads up, I will avoid that at all costs.
What....fast food is bad for your body, thanks for the heads up I will avoid it at all costs.
Learn to make a decision for yourself by trying something out.
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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth Free games attract people who cant pay for a premium service.
That's a pretty ignorant statement which only demonstrates how little you actually know about the game. It also shows that you're more or less an uninformed snob since by your reasoning, games with a monthly fee will somehow not have the l33t kiddies running around pulling the same BS.
I've played Guild Wars since release. Prior to that I played SWG where I had 3 accounts: 1 Combat, 1 Doc, 1 Crafter all on the Bria server. So obviously @ $45 a month, paying to play a game I enjoy is not an issue for me and in fairness I'd still be playing SWG if it wasn't for the CURB. IMO GW is far superior to a lot of the MMOs in a lot of ways which is why I still play it. I'm also not going to say that the GW community is the best but then again I doubt it's the worse.
Originally posted by evil.E Originally posted by Mrbloodworth Free games attract people who cant pay for a premium service.
That's a pretty ignorant statement which only demonstrates how little you actually know about the game. It also shows that you're more or less an uninformed snob since by your reasoning, games with a monthly fee will somehow not have the l33t kiddies running around pulling the same BS.
I've played Guild Wars since release. Prior to that I played SWG where I had 3 accounts: 1 Combat, 1 Doc, 1 Crafter all on the Bria server. So obviously @ $45 a month, paying to play a game I enjoy is not an issue for me and in fairness I'd still be playing SWG if it wasn't for the CURB. IMO GW is far superior to a lot of the MMOs in a lot of ways which is why I still play it. I'm also not going to say that the GW community is the best but then again I doubt it's the worse.
I think it's possible to overstate it, but generally it is the case that games without a sub fee have more kids in them because you do not need a credit card to play them. It's the same as it was in the heyday of battle.net. Guild Wars has a mix of players, of course, but a good portion of younger, less mature players, because it doesn't have a sub fee.
Originally posted by Novaseeker Originally posted by evil.E Originally posted by Mrbloodworth Free games attract people who cant pay for a premium service.
That's a pretty ignorant statement which only demonstrates how little you actually know about the game. It also shows that you're more or less an uninformed snob since by your reasoning, games with a monthly fee will somehow not have the l33t kiddies running around pulling the same BS.
I've played Guild Wars since release. Prior to that I played SWG where I had 3 accounts: 1 Combat, 1 Doc, 1 Crafter all on the Bria server. So obviously @ $45 a month, paying to play a game I enjoy is not an issue for me and in fairness I'd still be playing SWG if it wasn't for the CURB. IMO GW is far superior to a lot of the MMOs in a lot of ways which is why I still play it. I'm also not going to say that the GW community is the best but then again I doubt it's the worse.
I think it's possible to overstate it, but generally it is the case that games without a sub fee have more kids in them because you do not need a credit card to play them. It's the same as it was in the heyday of battle.net. Guild Wars has a mix of players, of course, but a good portion of younger, less mature players, because it doesn't have a sub fee. You can't prove that, and you know it. My own observation is that kids do not like GW. They are way to dumb and unpatient to be good at it. They got all the time in the world, and that is why they tend to like WoW.
Originally posted by yugnok I started playing about a week ago. I am stunned by the people who play this game.
My observation is that the people who play this game, with a few exceptions, are arrogant, unhelpful, rude, immature, and dillusional. Like a bunch of potty-mouthed 2 year olds. I don't know if its the game that makes people that way or if this game just tends to attract them.
Here is an example of what Im talking about: you go to random arenas. I look at local chat and its like 100 of the most immature tourettes 12 year olds got hold of a means to vent all of their pent up vulgarities. Its like they've never seen their own swearing in print before and need to see it in print over and over again.
So I decide to join a fight and some random asswipe decides to start criticizing my playing. "You noob. (Insert random skill here) sucks. You suck asshole. You are worthless. Thanks for making me lose Fucker." So they quit in the middle of a fight that we are winning after 3 flawless victories.
This is not an isolated experience. I am shocked by how many times Ive seen this attitude, which seems indicative of some form of mental pathology ( I mean that in all seriousness).
Now even if I did totally suck (which I don't). There is no excuse for this. I mean in an mmo community you would think there are some helpful people that would understand that not everyone knows the game in and out. Not everyone is uber and some could use some friendly advice. I have yet to see any of the normal courtesies of civilized society in this community.
Ive played several mmo's that have had poor, immature communites, but this one hands down is the worst. Its too bad because the game really looks kind of nice. These children ruin the fun of what could be a good game. Oh well. Off to greener pastures. There are too many people in this game that I do not care to have any association with.
Why are you judging over 2 million people on your own experience? Did you even consider the possiblity that there might be many other people out there, who are not like that.
Random Arenas and Heroes Ascent are just like that. They are full of people who don't give a crap about anyone but themselfs and their titles and ranks. There is no consiquences to swearing in Guild Wars. It is unknown how many people gets banned for swearing. I think it's very few, and I think it has to relate to direct racistic comments or death threats before action will be taken(with a screenshot as proof).
The PvP in Guild Wars is the most competitive and balanced ever. Because of this, there are many people who will do anything to win. In Guild Wars you loose if one of your team members is a noob. That is the problem to some agree. The game is simply so balanced, and so math-correct that all damage calculations are balanced, and to win you need every single team member to be efficient. You write that you have played this game for a week now. No matter what kind of talent you are, you are still very clueless about GW. It takes litterly thousands of hours to truly understand the PvP in Guild Wars. You must not have unlocked many skills. I assume your using a PvP characters. How many runes did you had? What sort of weapons? What was your attributes? What Build did you run?
Im not justifying other peoples flamboyent behavior, but seriously... The PvP in GW is like this. You might aswell quit if it bothers you that they get mad at you. It's way to intensive and competitive to be emotional and bitter over what some geek says.
If you want to experience the much better parts of the community, where its safer, where people are much more laid back and casual, then stick to the PvE. Do the story missions, have fun and chat and trade people. You will see that they come from all over and are very different.
The problem with MMO distribution is that many MMOs dont reach many foregin countries with strange currencys. Since GW has no fee, it is being destributed in far away countries which does not host MMOs normally. Any person around the world can play and have fun. For example, there is a significant amount of GW players from South Africa, Brazil and Singapore, aswell as the Phillapines, Polen, and India. In this aspect, GW is more international, grand and big and diverse in it's community than any other persistent game to date.
If you have tried playing PvP with Koreans or Japanese people, you will also see that they are very polite. We are all on a big shard. We might not play in the same districts, but the EU, US, KOR and Japanese districts are a world apart, and I bet, when China joins the fray, that we will get a new significant sub community to boost the differences between us - And that my friend, is one of the true hallmarks of a great community.
You gotta find what works for you. If you really wanna be good at PvP, you gotta go online and study. Go to www.guildwarsguru.com, read the pvp primer at guildwars.com and check out different GW fansites and forums and study and learn about the game. Do some PvE with characters. Unlock skills for your account, try to meet and find some people and a nice guild. Ask them to PvP with you. You will then learn it from the ground up.
It's very very hard and competitive to PvP in GW. Make no mistake about that. But this is also what drives so many people. It's why GWs PvP is better than anyone elses. It's because it pushs people to the edge. It challanges their mentality, makes them think, makes them sweat, forces them to make their own uniqe builds. It forces you to make choices - To stand by your own ideals. To make your own idea and defend this idea of what a great player is. GW is merely a tool. It' is you who has to wield it and use it to beat others.
It's a general assumption that GW has a poor community, but this could not be father from the truth mate. GW does not try to create a community similiar to EVE or SWG, which had great social community. GW is focused. It's not about role playing, it's not about AFK city chats all day long. It's about winning. It's about that mantra that makes you want to climb on top of the hall of heroes, and show every freakin last players, that it is you who is holding the hall. The one hall, that all can see, no matter where they are in the world, that you are the best.
Guilds like War Machine, are legends. They train 9-10 hours every single day. Thats why they are on top. That's why GW is so respected as it is. It's the online RPG version of CS. It requires the same kind of insane display of skill, wit, tactical understand of the situation, game mechanics and your team mates. It also challanges your eye cordination, and your abillity to guess the enemies moves, strategies and use of skills.
GW is what you make of it. If you quit now and decide to generalise about everyone because you had a bad experience, then just go away and move on. Then that's your choice. No one is forcing you. But you are dead wrong if you think that your story is somewhat uniqe or true to the entire fanbase, because its not.
Originally posted by Novaseeker I think it's possible to overstate it, but generally it is the case that games without a sub fee have more kids in them because you do not need a credit card to play them. It's the same as it was in the heyday of battle.net. Guild Wars has a mix of players, of course, but a good portion of younger, less mature players, because it doesn't have a sub fee.
Undoubtedly things will always be over stated however saying that no monthly fee = younger less mature players is also flawed logic. GW is a game that takes a lot of thinking and most importantly patience. Those are both things we all know that younger players don't have an abundance of.
Also unless a player is only happy playing 1 chapter, then they've already spent around $100 to $150 purchasing subsequent chapters. I seriously doubt that the majority of parents would pony up that kind of cash + an extra $50 every 6 months on new chapters but not be willing to put out $15/month.
That's also not taking into account the players that purchase the $70 collector's edition every new chapter. Add those figures together and that comes out to ~$210 over the course of the last 18 months or roughly $12 per month over the same time period.
Originally posted by evil.E Originally posted by Novaseeker I think it's possible to overstate it, but generally it is the case that games without a sub fee have more kids in them because you do not need a credit card to play them. It's the same as it was in the heyday of battle.net. Guild Wars has a mix of players, of course, but a good portion of younger, less mature players, because it doesn't have a sub fee.
Undoubtedly things will always be over stated however saying that no monthly fee = younger less mature players is also flawed logic. GW is a game that takes a lot of thinking and most importantly patience. Those are both things we all know that younger players don't have an abundance of.
Also unless a player is only happy playing 1 chapter, then they've already spent around $100 to $150 purchasing subsequent chapters. I seriously doubt that the majority of parents would pony up that kind of cash + an extra $50 every 6 months on new chapters but not be willing to put out $15/month.
That's also not taking into account the players that purchase the $70 collector's edition every new chapter. Add those figures together and that comes out to ~$210 over the course of the last 18 months or roughly $12 per month over the same time period.
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lets take WoW forinstance.
you wait outside the instance you want to get in and you wait there and others your level come along and you have a nice chat and say what you want / need and wehey your in a party and its all fun and games.
but in guildwars you enter a dungeon area and you have to do random groups.... but even if you dont its hard to find other players your level because of the simple fact you cant see them in action. and the only way you can is by grouping with them.
you could group with a lvl 20 warrior who has lvl 10 weapons in pvp... that helps noone
but in WoW you can see them fighting and if you think "yeah i need a warrior in my group" have a chit chat and BAM make an uber group
(i dislike WoW but its the only game i feel has a nice community)
You waited outside instances in WoW? Wierd, except for SM that was usually a rather bad way to get groups. Most groups formed in towns. And the ones forming at the instances were usually rather awful PUGs full of other groups rejects.
If you are in a decent guild you should be able to do all your group making and trading within it... thus avoiding all the potty mouths.
Free games attract people who cant pay for a premium service.
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Guild wars is no worse than Barrenes chat, it just replicates Barrens chat in more places. I don't think fees really affect it all that much. Plenty of dumb spoiled kids playing all kinds of MMORPGs.
Wow, it sounds like you've found an MMO with a worse "community" than WoW... *shudder*
If only companies would start releasing 18+ only servers, but I expect it could never be enforced anyway.
Anyway: thanks for the heads up, I will avoid GW at all costs.
yes , i understand wow and guildwars have a diferent grouping system , and thats where guild wars is more diferent from any other mmo , if fact its so diferent , people that are used to the classic system ie wow ( big territory, grouping outside is comun ) , cant manage to learn this new way of grouping in guildwars and so cant learn dealing with the comunity , im not saying if one is better then the other , but look it this way , all people in the game that need a group are in towns. then you say its hard to find people with your level , i think one of the ways to do it , is to learn what words to use when calling people to make a group , or saying what you are and for what you want to grop with, after that ofcorse we have normal chating in the team chat , and even go to ventrilo or teamspeak with totaly random people. i also think guildwars is designed to spread people around , so that some places are not so "elite" , imo , this is make more experience people play with less experienced people , so that you can learn from comunity also , and not just the story line , that is a learning curve as you open map.
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LOL , good point , they sure have to do it badly , becose im playing this game for 17 months
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But people like the OP and apparently most other MMORPG.com goers seem to think it is the bad apples who sit around all day talk out their assess on local chat and never actual join a guild are the community of an MMORPG. They want random interaction and to have all disruptions from people they don't know to a minimum. Like I said above it is neurotic and unrealistic to expect such things from a place with such a large population, but that doesn't stop them. Its not a battle worth fighting. There is no logic to it.
But people like the OP and apparently most other MMORPG.com goers seem to think it is the bad apples who sit around all day talk out their assess on local chat and never actual join a guild are the community of an MMORPG. They want random interaction and to have all disruptions from people they don't know to a minimum. Like I said above it is neurotic and unrealistic to expect such things from a place with such a large population, but that doesn't stop them. Its not a battle worth fighting. There is no logic to it.
This is 100% true. Just go to Ascalon City and if you cant see a message with : "Recruiting blabla guild , etc." in 10 or less seconds, i owe you 50 bucks. The ammount of guilds are enermous. A lot of beginners, level 10-15, make a guild and just recruit people with fake talkings. Thats too bad about the community, you cant tell if its a real guild or just some dude that needs guild members.
Just keep on playing and find urself some friends, to regurly play with, else its boring. Solo farming is good, but boring, and from my expierence, its hard to sell stuff on GW.
Nobody is perfect, i'm nobody........
But people like the OP and apparently most other MMORPG.com goers seem to think it is the bad apples who sit around all day talk out their assess on local chat and never actual join a guild are the community of an MMORPG. They want random interaction and to have all disruptions from people they don't know to a minimum. Like I said above it is neurotic and unrealistic to expect such things from a place with such a large population, but that doesn't stop them. Its not a battle worth fighting. There is no logic to it.
This is 100% true. Just go to Ascalon City and if you cant see a message with : "Recruiting blabla guild , etc." in 10 or less seconds, i owe you 50 bucks. The ammount of guilds are enermous. A lot of beginners, level 10-15, make a guild and just recruit people with fake talkings. Thats too bad about the community, you cant tell if its a real guild or just some dude that needs guild members.
Just keep on playing and find urself some friends, to regurly play with, else its boring. Solo farming is good, but boring, and from my expierence, its hard to sell stuff on GW.
true , but you can join the guild and leave 5 seconds after if it was fake tellings , just never pay your way in a guild , thats a skam for sure.
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There are some younger kids taht act like mature adults to 18 + can b just as bad as other person in guildwars.
Whenever i step outside, somebody claims to see the light
It seems to me that all of us have lost our patience.
'cause everyone thinks they're right,
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This is the best post I have seen in a while. You are basically saying...."Wow...I can not make a decision for myself so I am going to go let this one thread determine my gaming habits." It is quite impressive that you let someone else's take on something effect you so strongly.
What driving is dangerous....damn, thanks for the heads up, I will avoid that at all costs.
What....fast food is bad for your body, thanks for the heads up I will avoid it at all costs.
Learn to make a decision for yourself by trying something out.
"It is easier to be cruel than wise. The road to wisdom is long and difficult... so most people just turn out to be assholes" Feng (Christopher Walken)
So everyone who reads this post should hate California with out ever going there.
Also, Ive never actually been to California.
Now why would anyone let this interfere with there decision to visit California?
For the same reason a guy plays Guild Wars for 2 weeks then flames the whole community. They dont think.
That's a pretty ignorant statement which only demonstrates how little you actually know about the game. It also shows that you're more or less an uninformed snob since by your reasoning, games with a monthly fee will somehow not have the l33t kiddies running around pulling the same BS.
I've played Guild Wars since release. Prior to that I played SWG where I had 3 accounts: 1 Combat, 1 Doc, 1 Crafter all on the Bria server. So obviously @ $45 a month, paying to play a game I enjoy is not an issue for me and in fairness I'd still be playing SWG if it wasn't for the CURB. IMO GW is far superior to a lot of the MMOs in a lot of ways which is why I still play it. I'm also not going to say that the GW community is the best but then again I doubt it's the worse.
That's a pretty ignorant statement which only demonstrates how little you actually know about the game. It also shows that you're more or less an uninformed snob since by your reasoning, games with a monthly fee will somehow not have the l33t kiddies running around pulling the same BS.
I've played Guild Wars since release. Prior to that I played SWG where I had 3 accounts: 1 Combat, 1 Doc, 1 Crafter all on the Bria server. So obviously @ $45 a month, paying to play a game I enjoy is not an issue for me and in fairness I'd still be playing SWG if it wasn't for the CURB. IMO GW is far superior to a lot of the MMOs in a lot of ways which is why I still play it. I'm also not going to say that the GW community is the best but then again I doubt it's the worse.
I think it's possible to overstate it, but generally it is the case that games without a sub fee have more kids in them because you do not need a credit card to play them. It's the same as it was in the heyday of battle.net. Guild Wars has a mix of players, of course, but a good portion of younger, less mature players, because it doesn't have a sub fee.
That's a pretty ignorant statement which only demonstrates how little you actually know about the game. It also shows that you're more or less an uninformed snob since by your reasoning, games with a monthly fee will somehow not have the l33t kiddies running around pulling the same BS.
I've played Guild Wars since release. Prior to that I played SWG where I had 3 accounts: 1 Combat, 1 Doc, 1 Crafter all on the Bria server. So obviously @ $45 a month, paying to play a game I enjoy is not an issue for me and in fairness I'd still be playing SWG if it wasn't for the CURB. IMO GW is far superior to a lot of the MMOs in a lot of ways which is why I still play it. I'm also not going to say that the GW community is the best but then again I doubt it's the worse.
I think it's possible to overstate it, but generally it is the case that games without a sub fee have more kids in them because you do not need a credit card to play them. It's the same as it was in the heyday of battle.net. Guild Wars has a mix of players, of course, but a good portion of younger, less mature players, because it doesn't have a sub fee.
You can't prove that, and you know it.
My own observation is that kids do not like GW. They are way to dumb and unpatient to be good at it. They got all the time in the world, and that is why they tend to like WoW.
Random Arenas and Heroes Ascent are just like that. They are full of people who don't give a crap about anyone but themselfs and their titles and ranks. There is no consiquences to swearing in Guild Wars. It is unknown how many people gets banned for swearing. I think it's very few, and I think it has to relate to direct racistic comments or death threats before action will be taken(with a screenshot as proof).
The PvP in Guild Wars is the most competitive and balanced ever. Because of this, there are many people who will do anything to win. In Guild Wars you loose if one of your team members is a noob. That is the problem to some agree. The game is simply so balanced, and so math-correct that all damage calculations are balanced, and to win you need every single team member to be efficient.
You write that you have played this game for a week now. No matter what kind of talent you are, you are still very clueless about GW. It takes litterly thousands of hours to truly understand the PvP in Guild Wars. You must not have unlocked many skills. I assume your using a PvP characters. How many runes did you had? What sort of weapons? What was your attributes? What Build did you run?
Im not justifying other peoples flamboyent behavior, but seriously... The PvP in GW is like this. You might aswell quit if it bothers you that they get mad at you. It's way to intensive and competitive to be emotional and bitter over what some geek says.
If you want to experience the much better parts of the community, where its safer, where people are much more laid back and casual, then stick to the PvE. Do the story missions, have fun and chat and trade people. You will see that they come from all over and are very different.
The problem with MMO distribution is that many MMOs dont reach many foregin countries with strange currencys. Since GW has no fee, it is being destributed in far away countries which does not host MMOs normally. Any person around the world can play and have fun. For example, there is a significant amount of GW players from South Africa, Brazil and Singapore, aswell as the Phillapines, Polen, and India. In this aspect, GW is more international, grand and big and diverse in it's community than any other persistent game to date.
If you have tried playing PvP with Koreans or Japanese people, you will also see that they are very polite. We are all on a big shard. We might not play in the same districts, but the EU, US, KOR and Japanese districts are a world apart, and I bet, when China joins the fray, that we will get a new significant sub community to boost the differences between us - And that my friend, is one of the true hallmarks of a great community.
You gotta find what works for you. If you really wanna be good at PvP, you gotta go online and study. Go to www.guildwarsguru.com, read the pvp primer at guildwars.com and check out different GW fansites and forums and study and learn about the game. Do some PvE with characters. Unlock skills for your account, try to meet and find some people and a nice guild. Ask them to PvP with you. You will then learn it from the ground up.
It's very very hard and competitive to PvP in GW. Make no mistake about that. But this is also what drives so many people. It's why GWs PvP is better than anyone elses. It's because it pushs people to the edge. It challanges their mentality, makes them think, makes them sweat, forces them to make their own uniqe builds. It forces you to make choices - To stand by your own ideals. To make your own idea and defend this idea of what a great player is. GW is merely a tool. It' is you who has to wield it and use it to beat others.
It's a general assumption that GW has a poor community, but this could not be father from the truth mate. GW does not try to create a community similiar to EVE or SWG, which had great social community. GW is focused. It's not about role playing, it's not about AFK city chats all day long. It's about winning. It's about that mantra that makes you want to climb on top of the hall of heroes, and show every freakin last players, that it is you who is holding the hall. The one hall, that all can see, no matter where they are in the world, that you are the best.
Guilds like War Machine, are legends. They train 9-10 hours every single day. Thats why they are on top. That's why GW is so respected as it is. It's the online RPG version of CS. It requires the same kind of insane display of skill, wit, tactical understand of the situation, game mechanics and your team mates. It also challanges your eye cordination, and your abillity to guess the enemies moves, strategies and use of skills.
GW is what you make of it. If you quit now and decide to generalise about everyone because you had a bad experience, then just go away and move on. Then that's your choice. No one is forcing you. But you are dead wrong if you think that your story is somewhat uniqe or true to the entire fanbase, because its not.
Undoubtedly things will always be over stated however saying that no monthly fee = younger less mature players is also flawed logic. GW is a game that takes a lot of thinking and most importantly patience. Those are both things we all know that younger players don't have an abundance of.
Also unless a player is only happy playing 1 chapter, then they've already spent around $100 to $150 purchasing subsequent chapters. I seriously doubt that the majority of parents would pony up that kind of cash + an extra $50 every 6 months on new chapters but not be willing to put out $15/month.
That's also not taking into account the players that purchase the $70 collector's edition every new chapter. Add those figures together and that comes out to ~$210 over the course of the last 18 months or roughly $12 per month over the same time period.
Undoubtedly things will always be over stated however saying that no monthly fee = younger less mature players is also flawed logic. GW is a game that takes a lot of thinking and most importantly patience. Those are both things we all know that younger players don't have an abundance of.
Also unless a player is only happy playing 1 chapter, then they've already spent around $100 to $150 purchasing subsequent chapters. I seriously doubt that the majority of parents would pony up that kind of cash + an extra $50 every 6 months on new chapters but not be willing to put out $15/month.
That's also not taking into account the players that purchase the $70 collector's edition every new chapter. Add those figures together and that comes out to ~$210 over the course of the last 18 months or roughly $12 per month over the same time period.
agreed
Even to myself I'm a genius
Agreed as well, just a matter of taking the time and sifting through the trash.
Waiting on Guild Wars 2