Originally posted by ConverseSC Originally posted by qotsa Originally posted by Aelfinn E.) Let us say that things happen the way the bible tells it, that god created himself. If it were possible for sufficiently powerfull beings to create themselves out of nothingness, why are we not neck deep in an infinate sea of deities?
I agree with your post. I just wanted to point out that we are neck deep in deities. This is why we have war.
To anyone that doesn't believe in science and thinks god is real. I would like to see some rock solid proof of god. Now to me that sounds like someting that is impossible to do. All we have to go on is the Bible. To me the bible is no different than greek mythology. This is why religion has had zero credibility with me. Telling me science is fake, because it isn't 100% accurate. While in the same breath they'll tell you the bearded, lightening chucking dude in the clouds is absolutely real.
Religion probably started out as something decent. But it was molested by people in power and used as a tool to keep the sheep in line. I also think christianity was the product of several different white lies.
"C'mon Joe..would I cheat on you? I swear an angel dropped down out of the sky and told me I would carry the son of um..umm. God. Yeah the angel said God"
"Ok" edit: Wait, so you actually believe in god and goddess LilithIshtar? I thought you were just calling "secular evolution" a religion to prove some vague point. Yes I do. 12 of them actualy, 6 gods, 6 goddesses. ^^ Evolution just happens to play a huge part in my religion. ;D
obviously its a biased scientific opinion. someone who looks at life through the eyes of evolution will try to make a connection with the fins to support their cause. Although anyone that looks at it through creationism is inclined to say that it could have been an adaptive nature to their environment, just like we change the color of our skin to couteract the effects of sun.
Originally posted by Draenor Correct, but one of the most basic laws of physics is the law of conservation of matter...you can't break it, you can't make it, you can only recycle it somehow...so by its own law, Science cannot deny the existance of a greater God somewhere along the lines to create the initial matter in the universe...even the most scientific of folks cannot reasonably deny the existance of a greater God.
You know, I agree with you whole heartedly. So where did God come from?
The beauty of God is that he doesn't need to have come from anywhere
Xexima...The only way that I know of to prove that these fins were indeed legs at some point would be to somehow find information in the Dolphin's DNA that would allow them to actually manipulate the Dolphin's genes to the point that they are able to come up with a creature that has legs...which at this point in time is impossible as far as I know....but I have a suspision that Dolphins lack the gene to grow actual legs, pluss it would end up looking like Kyle's dad after his Dolphin plasty...which wouldn't be pleasant for anyone.
ps. The Colts still won.
And the fact that a "cloud of energy" simply appeared, isn't a very scientific explanation.
The two in red go agaisn't eachother, you seem confused.
So I shall of course still go by what my religion and what I have taught myself and know that the planet is of couse over 10,000 years old. ( Sorry, impossible for it to be so young, and you haven't proved that it is so far. )
The gods and goddesses created the planets by starting evolution. They didn't mess with it, they let nature take it's course. And in the end, humans evolved. ^^
Are you seriously trying to catch me in an inconsistancy with that?
If you know anything about the Christian faith, then you know that we believe God is timeless, he isn't bound by any human law of physics or time...so no, it wasn't a matter of me being inconsistant...it's a matter of what my belief in God is...and nothing has ever proven that the earth is billions of years old either, yet you choose to believe in that...interesting.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I've already put this up here once, but this explains a lot about why the earth is estimated to be about 4.55 billion years old. Please READ it before dismissing it. Thank you.
Originally posted by Xexima I've already put this up here once, but this explains a lot about why the earth is estimated to be about 4.55 billion years old. Please READ it before dismissing it. Thank you.
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To anyone that doesn't believe in science and thinks god is real. I would like to see some rock solid proof of god. Now to me that sounds like someting that is impossible to do. All we have to go on is the Bible. To me the bible is no different than greek mythology. This is why religion has had zero credibility with me. Telling me science is fake, because it isn't 100% accurate. While in the same breath they'll tell you the bearded, lightening chucking dude in the clouds is absolutely real.
Religion probably started out as something decent. But it was molested by people in power and used as a tool to keep the sheep in line. I also think christianity was the product of several different white lies.
"C'mon Joe..would I cheat on you? I swear an angel dropped down out of the sky and told me I would carry the son of um..umm. God. Yeah the angel said God"
"Ok"
edit: Wait, so you actually believe in god and goddess LilithIshtar? I thought you were just calling "secular evolution" a religion to prove some vague point.
Yes I do.
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obviously its a biased scientific opinion. someone who looks at life through the eyes of evolution will try to make a connection with the fins to support their cause. Although anyone that looks at it through creationism is inclined to say that it could have been an adaptive nature to their environment, just like we change the color of our skin to couteract the effects of sun.
Gelasius
The beauty of God is that he doesn't need to have come from anywhere
Xexima...The only way that I know of to prove that these fins were indeed legs at some point would be to somehow find information in the Dolphin's DNA that would allow them to actually manipulate the Dolphin's genes to the point that they are able to come up with a creature that has legs...which at this point in time is impossible as far as I know....but I have a suspision that Dolphins lack the gene to grow actual legs, pluss it would end up looking like Kyle's dad after his Dolphin plasty...which wouldn't be pleasant for anyone.
ps. The Colts still won.
And the fact that a "cloud of energy" simply appeared, isn't a very scientific explanation.
The two in red go agaisn't eachother, you seem confused.
So I shall of course still go by what my religion and what I have taught myself and know that the planet is of couse over 10,000 years old. ( Sorry, impossible for it to be so young, and you haven't proved that it is so far.
The gods and goddesses created the planets by starting evolution. They didn't mess with it, they let nature take it's course. And in the end, humans evolved. ^^
Are you seriously trying to catch me in an inconsistancy with that?
If you know anything about the Christian faith, then you know that we believe God is timeless, he isn't bound by any human law of physics or time...so no, it wasn't a matter of me being inconsistant...it's a matter of what my belief in God is...and nothing has ever proven that the earth is billions of years old either, yet you choose to believe in that...interesting.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
The Age of the Earth
It was ignored of course. The truth hurts alot of people.
Independant, Shinto, Lesbian, and Proud!
