Originally posted by WARCRYtm EvE have 3 years never had a drop in subscriptions it was allweys growing.
Thats not really true. EVE's sub numbers spiked at release and then started dropping after a few months, due to the fact that it really wasnt a finished game. About a month before the release of Castor, sub numbers started to gradually climb again, and then in jan-feb '04 subs started really picking up steam.
It's a lesson that they really should teach other MMOG developers - fix your shitbox games so they dont suck, and people will play them.
I just wanted to add that while CCP is one of the largest exporters out of Iceland its not a huge dollar amount. The last amount I could find for their yearly worth of export was 600,000,000 ISK which equals 8 Million dollars.
And before you call me a CCP hater or Eve hater or what ever, I have never even played the game, I was only interested in the article when I saw that CCP was located in Iceland. ( I was stationed there from 2002-2006 ).
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Also according to the Icelandic newspaper I was reading the biggest problem CCP is facing in the Exchange rate from Dollars to ISK. It looks like they are considering moving their company out of Iceland. Since all of their income is in Dollars, but their costs are in ISK, it is costing too much to run their company and they are losing money. (losing money, but not meaning they are going bankrupt)
And so you dont think I made that up it was stated by:
Reynir Har
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Originally posted by Cabe2323 Also according to the Icelandic newspaper I was reading the biggest problem CCP is facing in the Exchange rate from Dollars to ISK. It looks like they are considering moving their company out of Iceland. Since all of their income is in Dollars, but their costs are in ISK, it is costing too much to run their company and they are losing money. (losing money, but not meaning they are going bankrupt)And so you dont think I made that up it was stated by:Reynir Har
"Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason."
Let me add my name to the list of people who didn't see that coming!!!
Like many others EVE online just doesn't fit for me, but I acknowledge that its a hell of a game - just not my cup of tea.
Now WW, they fit just fine - in fact I'm currently playing a mortal based World of Darkness campaign having playing the the past various vampires, a mummy, a fairy, a couple of werewolves... the list goes on.
This could be a great union and I demand they release their MMO by next weekend
Top marks to all, a great and unexpected union - I wish them both every success
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The Good: - If the WW worlds *have* to be turned into online worlds, I'm glad a decent corporation like CCP will do it, instead of some overly commercial lumbering giant like SOE. - WW will definitely succeed in improving the EVE fiction and will probably succeed in translating EVE into the one kind of tabletop roleplaying game that wouldn't break the atmosphere: a storytelling system like Vampire or Werewolf. The last thing EVE would need is a translation to d20 or something similarly silly (I love D&D btw, just happen to think it won't mix with EVE). - This will probably improve the cardgame a lot, though I couldn't care less, as I'm not playing it. Still, nice for the fans of that.
The Bad: - Any manhour spent on another computergame is a manhour not spent on EVE Online. - I fear a translation of the WW worlds to online worlds will fail miserably and I'd rather see the two corporations come up with something different altogether. The reason I think it will fail is because of the storytelling aspect being central to WW RP games. Computer gaming currently lacks proper mechanics for proper storytelling and needs a major paradigm shift to correct that (see for example current commentaries on Orson Scott Card's upcoming Empire game and his remarks on storytelling in games as a writer, he makes some excellent points). I honestly doubt CCP and WW will be able to pull that off. - All this focussing on merchandise instead of the core game gives me this bad feeling in the pit of my stomach, telling me that CCP is slowly drifting away from its focus on what really matters to its current customers: EVE Online, the MMO.
Don't get me wrong: I understand that more profit for CCP will mean more money to put back into the development of EVE Online, their first love. But new projects take time. And they always take more time than you think. And once you've invested all that time, you generally need to get a return on that investment and that tends to hurt project you have running already, since those are returning revenue anyway. See where that is going? I just don't think CCP is immune to Hofstadter's Law, same as any IT corporation.
At any rate, it doesn't matter what I think or any of you think. CCP and WW do as they please and I for one would like to wish them the best of luck with this new move.
Originally posted by Grismar Mixed feelings for me here.
The Good: - If the WW worlds *have* to be turned into online worlds, I'm glad a decent corporation like CCP will do it, instead of some overly commercial lumbering giant like SOE. - WW will definitely succeed in improving the EVE fiction and will probably succeed in translating EVE into the one kind of tabletop roleplaying game that wouldn't break the atmosphere: a storytelling system like Vampire or Werewolf. The last thing EVE would need is a translation to d20 or something similarly silly (I love D&D btw, just happen to think it won't mix with EVE). - This will probably improve the cardgame a lot, though I couldn't care less, as I'm not playing it. Still, nice for the fans of that.
The Bad: - Any manhour spent on another computergame is a manhour not spent on EVE Online. - I fear a translation of the WW worlds to online worlds will fail miserably and I'd rather see the two corporations come up with something different altogether. The reason I think it will fail is because of the storytelling aspect being central to WW RP games. Computer gaming currently lacks proper mechanics for proper storytelling and needs a major paradigm shift to correct that (see for example current commentaries on Orson Scott Card's upcoming Empire game and his remarks on storytelling in games as a writer, he makes some excellent points). I honestly doubt CCP and WW will be able to pull that off. - All this focussing on merchandise instead of the core game gives me this bad feeling in the pit of my stomach, telling me that CCP is slowly drifting away from its focus on what really matters to its current customers: EVE Online, the MMO.
Don't get me wrong: I understand that more profit for CCP will mean more money to put back into the development of EVE Online, their first love. But new projects take time. And they always take more time than you think. And once you've invested all that time, you generally need to get a return on that investment and that tends to hurt project you have running already, since those are returning revenue anyway. See where that is going? I just don't think CCP is immune to Hofstadter's Law, same as any IT corporation.
At any rate, it doesn't matter what I think or any of you think. CCP and WW do as they please and I for one would like to wish them the best of luck with this new move.
Greetings, Grismar.
From what I've read, they are going to hire a separate team to work on the WoD MMO but that some of the tech (full body avatars, enviroments) were going to be developed in EVE for use in the future MMO. It was basically the justification they needed to commit time to making avatars in EVE more than just fluff. The way they are approaching it seems good as well. Create the PnP RPG version and then translate that over to the MMO in some form, to make it more than just the fluff that it would have been in the past.
But well, CCP has amassed what? 6 years? of revenues from a game that has always been growing and never had any additional expenses beside EVE's ones. They MUST do something with all those extra millions and now we know what they were doing! merging with WW!
And the fact White Wolf is a subsidiary of CCP and not viceversa is even more surprising, possible that the second largest RPG company in the world was so bad off?
AS for the projects, first, i would not put off EVE as a d20 product just yet.
White Wolf has a whole series of d20 supplements, INCLUDING Everquest2 and WoW roleplaying game. EVE would just go adding to the mmorpgs they have transferred to pen and paper. That being said, I much prefer their World of Darkness system than D20, so i hope for something like that.... or something entirely different.
As for WoD, i understand the concerns, but there is one thing for sure: a WoD MMorpg NEEDS to be different from the mold and if there is one thing CCP excel is making things original. So, they have, in my opinion, a good chance to succeed.
As for EVE lacking support, i doubt. that is their money-making thing. Cutting support to their only source of income for some future one that might or might not be true does not seems a smart move to me. It seems they have some financial strength up there in Iceland, so it will be no problem enchancing the group.... hoping they train the newcomers well.... but then other companies (ie Blizzard) already handle personnel turnover pretty well withouth affecting the quality or style of their products, so it can be done.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
Originally posted by Banegrivm It's the lack of logic that bugs me. You pointed to some place to prove your point that CCP is hurting. That place actually showed that CCP is growing. You ignore the fact that EVE's customer base has almost doubled in a short time. You ignore the fact that CCP has trippled in staff and you ignore the fact that they had spare money to but White Wolf. You ignore the fact that CCP built new offices for 200 people. Those are not actions of a company that is hurting financially.The fact simply is that CCP's financial situation is booming. It's just simply a fact. You just lack the logic and reason to point at to support what you are saying. Please point me out to ANY place that tells me otherwise.
Thats all heresay for the most part, as you yourself and martin have all said "you have friends", you've given no credibility to your statements outside of "it's your friends" or "friends of friends". Bane, here is it as stated by the CEO and presented in black and white on a huge screen in front of hundreds of fans: http://evevault.ign.com/View.php?view=Movies.Detail&id=16
I'm sure you'll probably say that the numbers are fudged or that the CEO is lying, but I guess that response is to be expected. Lack of knowledge on your part does not constitute "heresay" on someone else's.
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This is like the 2 most favorite companies merging. I expect just good things coming. Online World of Darkness and PnP EVE. My god thats gonna be good!
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Peace will break out in the middle east before we can have a post about EVE without the haters trying to put the game down.
People complain about EVE "fanbois" but my goodnes the haters are so much worse.
Support Bacteria, its the only culture some people have.
It's a lesson that they really should teach other MMOG developers - fix your shitbox games so they dont suck, and people will play them.
And before you call me a CCP hater or Eve hater or what ever, I have never even played the game, I was only interested in the article when I saw that CCP was located in Iceland. ( I was stationed there from 2002-2006 ).
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
And so you dont think I made that up it was stated by:
Reynir Har
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
So I will be happy to get a Eve P&P RPG or a Vampire / World of Darkness MMORPG
Nice Deal.
"Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason."
Let me add my name to the list of people who didn't see that coming!!!
Like many others EVE online just doesn't fit for me, but I acknowledge that its a hell of a game - just not my cup of tea.
Now WW, they fit just fine - in fact I'm currently playing a mortal based World of Darkness campaign having playing the the past various vampires, a mummy, a fairy, a couple of werewolves... the list goes on.
This could be a great union and I demand they release their MMO by next weekend
Top marks to all, a great and unexpected union - I wish them both every success
Currently Playing: GW2
Currently Following: Elder Scrolls Online
Games in my wake: Anarchy Online, Archlord (beta), Asherons Call, Asherons Call 2, City of Heroes, Dark Age of Camelot (SI to Catacombs), DDO, EVE Online, EverQuest II (beta), Guild Wars, Horizons, Lineage II,LORTO, Rift, RF Online (beta), RYL, Saga of Ryzon, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Vanguard, WAR, WoW
The Good:
- If the WW worlds *have* to be turned into online worlds, I'm glad a decent corporation like CCP will do it, instead of some overly commercial lumbering giant like SOE.
- WW will definitely succeed in improving the EVE fiction and will probably succeed in translating EVE into the one kind of tabletop roleplaying game that wouldn't break the atmosphere: a storytelling system like Vampire or Werewolf. The last thing EVE would need is a translation to d20 or something similarly silly (I love D&D btw, just happen to think it won't mix with EVE).
- This will probably improve the cardgame a lot, though I couldn't care less, as I'm not playing it. Still, nice for the fans of that.
The Bad:
- Any manhour spent on another computergame is a manhour not spent on EVE Online.
- I fear a translation of the WW worlds to online worlds will fail miserably and I'd rather see the two corporations come up with something different altogether. The reason I think it will fail is because of the storytelling aspect being central to WW RP games. Computer gaming currently lacks proper mechanics for proper storytelling and needs a major paradigm shift to correct that (see for example current commentaries on Orson Scott Card's upcoming Empire game and his remarks on storytelling in games as a writer, he makes some excellent points). I honestly doubt CCP and WW will be able to pull that off.
- All this focussing on merchandise instead of the core game gives me this bad feeling in the pit of my stomach, telling me that CCP is slowly drifting away from its focus on what really matters to its current customers: EVE Online, the MMO.
Don't get me wrong: I understand that more profit for CCP will mean more money to put back into the development of EVE Online, their first love. But new projects take time. And they always take more time than you think. And once you've invested all that time, you generally need to get a return on that investment and that tends to hurt project you have running already, since those are returning revenue anyway. See where that is going? I just don't think CCP is immune to Hofstadter's Law, same as any IT corporation.
At any rate, it doesn't matter what I think or any of you think. CCP and WW do as they please and I for one would like to wish them the best of luck with this new move.
Greetings,
Grismar.
what I've read, they are going to hire a separate team to work on the
WoD MMO but that some of the tech (full body avatars, enviroments) were
going to be developed in EVE for use in the future MMO. It was
basically the justification they needed to commit time to making
avatars in EVE more than just fluff. The way they are approaching it
seems good as well. Create the PnP RPG version and then translate that
over to the MMO in some form, to make it more than just the fluff that
it would have been in the past.
THAT was a surprise!
But well, CCP has amassed what? 6 years? of revenues from a game that has always been growing and never had any additional expenses beside EVE's ones. They MUST do something with all those extra millions and now we know what they were doing! merging with WW!
And the fact White Wolf is a subsidiary of CCP and not viceversa is even more surprising, possible that the second largest RPG company in the world was so bad off?
AS for the projects, first, i would not put off EVE as a d20 product just yet.
White Wolf has a whole series of d20 supplements, INCLUDING Everquest2 and WoW roleplaying game. EVE would just go adding to the mmorpgs they have transferred to pen and paper. That being said, I much prefer their World of Darkness system than D20, so i hope for something like that.... or something entirely different.
As for WoD, i understand the concerns, but there is one thing for sure: a WoD MMorpg NEEDS to be different from the mold and if there is one thing CCP excel is making things original. So, they have, in my opinion, a good chance to succeed.
As for EVE lacking support, i doubt. that is their money-making thing. Cutting support to their only source of income for some future one that might or might not be true does not seems a smart move to me. It seems they have some financial strength up there in Iceland, so it will be no problem enchancing the group.... hoping they train the newcomers well.... but then other companies (ie Blizzard) already handle personnel turnover pretty well withouth affecting the quality or style of their products, so it can be done.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
Bane, here is it as stated by the CEO and presented in black and white on a huge screen in front of hundreds of fans: http://evevault.ign.com/View.php?view=Movies.Detail&id=16
I'm sure you'll probably say that the numbers are fudged or that the CEO is lying, but I guess that response is to be expected. Lack of knowledge on your part does not constitute "heresay" on someone else's.
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- FPS Quiz - how well do you know your shooters?
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There is so much potential to this news. Gives me hope for the future.
At the same time i dread the fact that it may be a complete failar.
We are talking CCP here...
Failure is not an option!
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