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cloning? good or bad
demonicdemon
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ive recently heard that the australian goverment is bringing forward a bill to allow theraputic cloning. some ppl say that it is stupid others are for. i personally am against it as after they finish wih theraptic cloning they'll start dong reproductive cloning. before u give an aswer take this in to account: they test human sperm on animals to see if it is good sperm. also imagine u are a clone and u think ur a real human being and then u find out ur a clone, how would u feel.
anyhow wat r ur opinions? i really think it inhuman but ur opinion.
take what you can but not what isn't yours. "fight to the end and never give your enemy the satisfaction of victory"
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So yeah, I think it's perfectly fine UNDER REGULATION. Theraputic cloning is a fucking brilliant idea, and anyone who argues against it - I hope you contract motor neurone disease, or one of the other debiliating diseases that it will be able to cure, or you lose a limb or organ and need it to be replaced to do something that's really important to you, because you deserve to suffer for what you and your protesters are putting innocent people through. Cloning of people I have no problem with either, although as above, I'd only really say it's acceptable when the children are being GE'd.
Flame me, I dare ya.
alrigh ill grant that cloning body parts is rillian idea and i suppose theraputic is ok as long as they dont go to far with it. but when u say that a clone is a human being i mean a real hman being that aint true. they are made in a tube and they r a copy of another person which makes them very diffeent from a real human and they will stay that way even if u chang their face or sex or anythng. also i dont min animal testing but testing sperm on an anmal is just disgusting. im not against using cloning for medical reason im just agaisnt cloning ur self cause u want to. and if u think ud want to clone urself cause u wan it to do stuff for u when ur out or watever ur dum cause ur clone will have a very differet personality to u since it was brough with diferen memories and stuff
take what you can but not what isn't yours. "fight to the end and never give your enemy the satisfaction of victory"
Tell that to all the animals that are being abused and die slow painful deaths. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if some asshole beat you just because he can. Poke at you with sticks and other objects. Curse and spit at you. Hardly feed you anything. Make you live in a cage that's far to small and in horrid conditions. Allow you're friends to eat you because they arn't being fed enough. Run around in circles from going insaine.
Stick a tube down your throat and tie you down with buckled straps and just leave you there, just because he can. And I know for a fact you wouldn't like it if you were pushed into a small cart with 50 other humans than than gased to death, and even than most don't even die and suffer a horrible, and very slow and painful death.
I'm all for testing. As long as the animals don't have to suffer and arn't abused like they arn't worth anything at all. If you're going to kill an animal to test, do it quickly and with hopefuly no pain at all. I'd love to see all of those asshole's die slow painful deaths, the same way many creature's are dieing right now.
But thats okay. I'm just happy knowing that all of those humans doing just that to the animals will be reincarnated when they die, into animals that will also be abused so they too can feel the pain and suffer for it.
I don't see how they can test human sperm on animals though, as the gamedes would not work procreatively :S And who says clones aren't real human beings? The only difference is that they happen to be the same as someone who lived before them... Beyond anything else, once the first human clone has been popped out, they'll be genetically engineering them in part to make them non-identical I should imagine, so it doesn't matter... I'd feel pretty f*cking cool finding out I was designed, rather than just a result of my parents ripping a condom or whatever...
So yeah, I think it's perfectly fine UNDER REGULATION. Theraputic cloning is a fucking brilliant idea, and anyone who argues against it - I hope you contract motor neurone disease, or one of the other debiliating diseases that it will be able to cure, or you lose a limb or organ and need it to be replaced to do something that's really important to you, because you deserve to suffer for what you and your protesters are putting innocent people through. Cloning of people I have no problem with either, although as above, I'd only really say it's acceptable when the children are being GE'd.
Flame me, I dare ya.
Okay! ^_^
I'm all for human cloning. As long as no creature is going to be abused for it of course.
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Tell that to all the animals that are being abused and die slow painful deaths. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if some asshole beat you just because he can. Poke at you with sticks and other objects. Curse and spit at you. Hardly feed you anything. Make you live in a cage that's far to small and in horrid conditions. Allow you're friends to eat you because they arn't being fed enough. Run around in circles from going insaine.
Stick a tube down your throat and tie you down with buckled straps and just leave you there, just because he can. And I know for a fact you wouldn't like it if you were pushed into a small cart with 50 other humans than than gased to death, and even than most don't even die and suffer a horrible, and very slow and painful death.
I'm all for testing. As long as the animals don't have to suffer and arn't abused like they arn't worth anything at all. If you're going to kill an animal to test, do it quickly and with hopefuly no pain at all. I'd love to see all of those asshole's die slow painful deaths, the same way many creature's are dieing right now.
But thats okay. I'm just happy knowing that all of those humans doing just that to the animals will be reincarnated when they die, into animals that will also be abused so they too can feel the pain and suffer for it.
I don't see how they can test human sperm on animals though, as the gamedes would not work procreatively :S And who says clones aren't real human beings? The only difference is that they happen to be the same as someone who lived before them... Beyond anything else, once the first human clone has been popped out, they'll be genetically engineering them in part to make them non-identical I should imagine, so it doesn't matter... I'd feel pretty f*cking cool finding out I was designed, rather than just a result of my parents ripping a condom or whatever...
So yeah, I think it's perfectly fine UNDER REGULATION. Theraputic cloning is a fucking brilliant idea, and anyone who argues against it - I hope you contract motor neurone disease, or one of the other debiliating diseases that it will be able to cure, or you lose a limb or organ and need it to be replaced to do something that's really important to you, because you deserve to suffer for what you and your protesters are putting innocent people through. Cloning of people I have no problem with either, although as above, I'd only really say it's acceptable when the children are being GE'd.
Flame me, I dare ya.
Okay! ^_^
I'm all for human cloning. As long as no creature is going to be abused for it of course.
Bah what a load of absolute shit! overreaction?
Why the hell would a scientist curse and spit and poke animals for no reason?
Your probably right about the cages, underfeeding and experimentation, although healthy specimens would be better no?
These animals were bred for a reason, in the name of science and to further the progress of the human race, dont preach your animals rights bullcrap, cos they are an extremely necessary part for scientific research.
Run tests on animals without abusing them.... no such thing sorry. You cant run a test without manipulating the creatures bodies in some way.
But back to the topic, im all for cloning, naturally this is the way the human race is headed, why slow down the inevitable, its gonna happen anyway. Humans are inquisitive creatures and naturally will try to unlock the mysteries of the universe, why stagnate because of some retard bible bashers? (generalisation, but you get the idea) We should continuously be progressing, its what drives us forward.
Progress, progress, progress. Forget the shackles of old religion and old ideologies, put your mind towards the future and embrace new technology and science.
Because its gonna happen anyway.
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Tell that to all the animals that are being abused and die slow painful deaths. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if some asshole beat you just because he can. Poke at you with sticks and other objects. Curse and spit at you. Hardly feed you anything. Make you live in a cage that's far to small and in horrid conditions. Allow you're friends to eat you because they arn't being fed enough. Run around in circles from going insaine.
Stick a tube down your throat and tie you down with buckled straps and just leave you there, just because he can. And I know for a fact you wouldn't like it if you were pushed into a small cart with 50 other humans than than gased to death, and even than most don't even die and suffer a horrible, and very slow and painful death.
I'm all for testing. As long as the animals don't have to suffer and arn't abused like they arn't worth anything at all. If you're going to kill an animal to test, do it quickly and with hopefuly no pain at all. I'd love to see all of those asshole's die slow painful deaths, the same way many creature's are dieing right now.
But thats okay. I'm just happy knowing that all of those humans doing just that to the animals will be reincarnated when they die, into animals that will also be abused so they too can feel the pain and suffer for it.
I don't see how they can test human sperm on animals though, as the gamedes would not work procreatively :S And who says clones aren't real human beings? The only difference is that they happen to be the same as someone who lived before them... Beyond anything else, once the first human clone has been popped out, they'll be genetically engineering them in part to make them non-identical I should imagine, so it doesn't matter... I'd feel pretty f*cking cool finding out I was designed, rather than just a result of my parents ripping a condom or whatever...
So yeah, I think it's perfectly fine UNDER REGULATION. Theraputic cloning is a fucking brilliant idea, and anyone who argues against it - I hope you contract motor neurone disease, or one of the other debiliating diseases that it will be able to cure, or you lose a limb or organ and need it to be replaced to do something that's really important to you, because you deserve to suffer for what you and your protesters are putting innocent people through. Cloning of people I have no problem with either, although as above, I'd only really say it's acceptable when the children are being GE'd.
Flame me, I dare ya.
Okay! ^_^
I'm all for human cloning. As long as no creature is going to be abused for it of course.
Bah what a load of absolute shit! overreaction?
Why the hell would a scientist curse and spit and poke animals for no reason?
Erm, because they can? I hope you don't think they are all suger, spice, and everything nice. Humans are cruel after all.Your probably right about the cages, underfeeding and experimentation, although healthy specimens would be better no?
Yes, they would be. And they wouldn't be suffering either.These animals were bred for a reason, in the name of science and to further the progress of the human race, dont preach your animals rights bullcrap, cos they are an extremely necessary part for scientific research.
So you're saying that peoples cats, dogs. monkeys, birds, and exoctic wild animals are bred for us to beat and tormet? I find that very hard to believe. They steal cats and dogs right from out of peoples backyards without a second thought. Bah.Run tests on animals without abusing them.... no such thing sorry. You cant run a test without manipulating the creatures bodies in some way.
I'm talking about killing them first! If you're going to run tests on an animal that can be painful and tormentful, kill them first! And if you do kill them, don't torture the thing to death. I personaly don't like the idea of being beated to death over the head, or having by back broken and than have someone else pump shit into my stomach, and still be alive.Here, watch this: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1315881714
I have many more as well, which also include wild animal trappings, such as the creature's literally being skinned alive. Very graphic, and horrid.
But back to the topic, im all for cloning, naturally this is the way the human race is headed, why slow down the inevitable, its gonna happen anyway. Humans are inquisitive creatures and naturally will try to unlock the mysteries of the universe, why stagnate because of some retard bible bashers? (generalisation, but you get the idea) We should continuously be progressing, its what drives us forward.
Progress, progress, progress. Forget the shackles of old religion and old ideologies, put your mind towards the future and embrace new technology and science.
Because its gonna happen anyway.
Independant, Shinto, Lesbian, and Proud!
Human cloning would be awesome, hopefully they would set it up as a business just like in that movie.
"The Island" I think it was.
Plus there isnt really anything bad considering that the clone is essentially you, and you get to decide what happens to you nothing illegal here, maybe immoral but society lost its morals ages ago.
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thought about it some more....second post
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Has anyone thought about the kind of experimentation that would need to be done to perfect human cloning? That's a lot of messed up psuedo people that they would have to kill in the name of science...just something to think about, especially for those of you who claim to be animal activists...but I suppose most people who are for the cloning of humans are also pro abortion(oh sorry, pro choice, lol) so I guess if you tell yourself that it's not sentient yet, it makes it okay.
From a biblical perspective it's wrong though, since God gave man dominion over animals, but not his fellow man...so that would make me against it I suppose...but again, only in the case of the cloning of an entire human...individual organs would be A okay
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
So yeah, I'm for it. Personally I'm a little leery about the fallout of some ethical or political situation that would inevitably happen. Lets face it, the only thing humanity is adept at is making mistakes. With any luck we will learn valueable lessons and grow to be better for it. Once again I'm being hopefully optimistic with a species that's prone to disappoint. Albert Einstein had some fun quotes about mankind and technology.
It's not inhuman to let people die of diseases. It's natural, it's how it's meant to be - What would happen to the world, if every child given birth was a strong and healthy individual, with a healthy mind? If everyone catching a deadly disease, would infact be cured? Overpopulation is the future, in this case. And overpopulation will only ruin more of the nature that surrounds us. Death is a natural part of life, mutations is a natural part of life, mental and physical illness is a natural part of life - And we should keep it that way. We can try to cure it, but removing the threat, removes a huge part of our enemies - Then what is left? Natural dissasters.
I do not see cloning as a good thing. The more we research it, the more efficient we become at it - It's just science fiction, but raising an army of clones could very well become a reality - Genetical modified human beings working for their leader. This is not really why i don't like cloning, but more of a side effect from it. Look at Tokyo right now, and then imagine the whole word being the same.
Firstoff, no leader needs genetically modified human beings working for them as mindless drones, they have spin artists to get the real thing to do their bidding, all you have to do is say "WMDs" and the masses are slobbering for war.
Second off, if my child had a disease that could be cured by harvesting body parts of an identical cloned human being, why would I love/think less of that cloned human being to treat them as property to preserve the original? Now, if we are talking about cloning just a kidney, or a liver, that is something entirely different in my book. But harvesting a living human for body parts is immoral to me. I'm sure it will ultimately be done, hopefully only on a "back alley" type basis, and not mainstream. But to shut down cloning because of potential abuses, geez, lets prohibit alcohol again...
double post
the bill the OP is talking about is for therapeutic cloning only, meaning they are only going to be cloning cells, and I think vital organs like kydneys etc, nothing whatsoever to do with human cloning (which I agree with you completely about).
That depends on a lot of factors:
1.) Exactly what is cloned? Be it whole people, organs for the purpose of replacing the originals, or whatever
2.) Who is doing the cloning and why?
3.) How are clones, and people with cloned body parts treated in the society?
4.) How bad is the reject to success ratio? that is to say, how many deformed bodies do you have to toss in the furnace before you get one fully formed "specimen"
As to the OPs statement, clones ARE people in every sense of the word.
Other babies already are grown in test tubes, it is done all the time for mothers that cannot give birth themselves
Other babies are already born exact genetic copies of each other
I'm sure most of you by now have heard of Stephen Hawking, the brilliant, wheelchair bound physics professor, the leading theologist when it comes to understanding the raw mechanics of the universe, particularly in the realm of black holes, where the "fabric" warps and stretches. The big bang theory, originally came from a paper he did in college.
He is fighting a wasting disease, one that should have already killed him decades ago, it has already robbed him of the power of all but the most basic kind of communication. We are losing him, a man who has already and continues to make great contributions to the scientific community. Saving Hawking himself is impossible, but that does not mean we have to go without his genious.
We could for example make, say, 10 clones of him, and allow them to live out their lives as normal. Each would have massive potential, most I would suspect go for the best education they can get, and choose a career path based on their preferences like any other young man.
P.S. Learn to type, it makes me cringe inside whenever I see such horrendous examples of "english". Unfortunately, that means I do a lot of cringing in this community
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
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Im all for voluntary cloning. A man can clone himself and raise his clone as his child. This has no moral implications to me whatsoever. Even the religous implications can be gotten around. If you believe in god he left alot of moral leeway.
Im agianst embryonic stem cell research IF its fatal to the embryo. Now Im not saying Im agianst human fertilized egg cell research though. How you mite ask is this possible? Well not all human fertilized eggs can form into humans. You can essentially instruct a fertilized egg to say form just stem cells. How? A wonder of nature we call.. a virus! Hehe Viruses are a wonderful mechanism really if you understand them. They can manipulate a cell to follow a set of instructions you wish. Think of them as overriding software.
It all really depends on what you wish to sacrifice though. Do you sacrifice mankinds humanity and morality for science? Does man sacrifice his own life to maintain that morality and humanity? How does that human presue those said goals. Obviously there are nihilistic humans. I for one will not stand in the way of a humans presuit no matter how heinous as long as it doesnt impede on my moral responsibilities to myself, my family and my religion. As for why..... thats for me to know and thats enough
I'm not sure why anyone would want to clone themselves. Look, a clone
WOULD be a real human being. They may look like someone else, but they
will have different life experiences which would form their
personality. It's kind of like identical twins, they look alike, but
are different. When the original dies, and they will die, it is not as
if they can coninue living in perpetuity through their clone. Cloning
for immortality is just a silly assed notion. Cloning for biological
parts treats the clone as a piece of property, not a living person. You
cannot clone Paris Hilton 100,000 times and sell her as a sex toy. You
may want to clone Paris Hilton 100,000 times to see if you could just
once get a nuclear physicist though.....
actually unless the clone was cloned at exaclty the same time as the original was born then the clone will survive alot longer.
it was already said by someone else but ill repeat it for u. if the
original clones himself at the age of 30 then when he is 40 the clone
will be 10 and so on. they do not clone the entire body and make an
exact copy of the original that looks like he does when he was cloned
but rather take cels and use them to create a embryo which will grow
into exact copy of the original.
i also found somthing new out
about the cloning process. the idea behind the theraputic cloning is to
find cures to diesaeses using embryo stem cell instead of adult stem
cells. this means that they are problay going to harvest clones so they
can use thier body parts as if they were some kind of animal. this is
already being planned in the usa.
i dare any of u to tell me that
what i just said isnt inhuman. even if they r harveting clones they r
human enough to be treated fairly its not as if they are some mutant
looking freak. i am not agaisnt clones themselves but simply against
wat ppls are planning to use them for.
like i said i dare u to tell me this isn't inhuman
take what you can but not what isn't yours. "fight to the end and never give your enemy the satisfaction of victory"
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