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EvE is not newbie friendly
RebornDragon
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Anyway, I've been playing EvE for two months and I still can't do didly as far as PvP because I don't have the skills (no, not my skills, but the skill system (which sucks so bad imo)). There is nothing to do other then kill "rats" that gets boring and mine for pidly amounts of money in high sec zones untill you've spent months and months waiting for your skills to become high enough to be able to even think about stepping into low sec space.
Also, I can't stress enough how lame it is for Vets to camp high sec zones asteroid belts with heavy haulers that steal your ore and there is absolutly nothing you can do about it. They literally pick up your can and haul it away if it's a secure or just steal it and put it in their can, wait for you to take it back, and then own you while the 'police' just sit there and watch.
If you're getting ready to sub or try EvE, be ready to just log in for 2 minutes a day/week/month(s) to change to a new skill after it gets done training. It gets boring fast once you see that no matter how much you play, you're not getting anywhere as far as upgrading your ship to be able to do anything for a very long time.
The only problem I see with EvE is the skill system. It's got to be the worst 'leveling' system out there. It simply takes entirely too long to be able to do anything other then mine or do the same quest five hundred times. If they re-vamped the skill system to allow 'exp' for skills that you could assign to any skill when you kill NPC's and players it would grow way bigger then it is now, IMO.
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1. I rat in 0.0 with a ship and drones that wouldn't take a month to aquire, I could probably get the money and the skills on the free trial. (lvl 1 Amarr Cruiser, lvl 5 Drones)
2. The fact that you mine and rat and are talking about wanting to PVP, shows me you didn't really plan your skills out very well. You can do quite well in 2 months if you take the time to plan out what you want to do.
3. EVE is getting a skill boost. New players will start with 800,000 skill points as of next tuesday.
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EvE is not solo player game, you can do solo things but best of u do them with friends.
There are ppl in Eve who had taken it on them self to help new players in EvE and started what is known as noob corps, to help the new players to learn more of the game, i personaly see those corps as advance tutotial.
None would dare touch your cans if u were with a group mining or ratting, the skill training is something that we all had and still need to do, it's just like never ending leveling but yet u don't have to level all skills, just those that u'll need.
Give the game anther try but this time join one of those newbie corps, u can ask on EvE forums for into on those corps.
1. I have drones, but you're simply insane if you think a few drones from a month of playing is going to be enough to take out any rat groups in 0.0 Space. I did a lot of drone training. There is just no way you can fit the drones you need in a ship big enough (which also requires a lot of training) to hold them and mine in 1 month in 0.0 space.
2. You can't do anything else untill you've spent months waiting for your skills to become high enough that you can survive in 0.0 space or even low sec space. Again, that isn't very newbie friendly. The toturial doesn't go over long term planning for skill sets.
3. That's like putting a small bandaid on a blood gushing stab wound. I don't see it really helping `that` much, honestly.
3. That's like putting a small bandaid on a blood gushing stab wound. I don't see it really helping `that` much, honestly.
That's pretty funny. A "gushing wound", eh? You do realise that skillpoints mean very little right? Learn the tactics of the game, get some friends, and find an unsuspecting veteran player. You'll kick his ass. You can't do that in any MMORPG that has experience. For example, there's no way a bunch of level 10s in WOW could kill a level 60. In EVE that can happen.
And you don't need the ultra high skills to go out and PvP, you only need a few friends or corp mates, some tech 1 frigs in tech 1 mods, and good planning. Wolfpack setups of 5-10+ frigs using various ECM modules can take out battleships piloted by 2 year vets.
Just learn to play and join a corp and you'll be fine. And you don't have to wait months to go out into low sec, as long as you can take the rats you can still mission and mine safely for the most part. Might need to align and stab for mining though.
And making instas for the area will completely save you, though once Kali comes out everyone will have instas to all gates and stations automatically. ^_^
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3. That's like putting a small bandaid on a blood gushing stab wound. I don't see it really helping `that` much, honestly.
That's pretty funny. A "gushing wound", eh? You do realise that skillpoints mean very little right? Learn the tactics of the game, get some friends, and find an unsuspecting veteran player. You'll kick his ass. You can't do that in any MMORPG that has experience. For example, there's no way a bunch of level 10s in WOW could kill a level 60. In EVE that can happen.
And that is a one in a....billion chance? If you call Gate Camping and finding someone dumb enough to try warping through 0.0 space alone without a bunch of stabs/support 'fun' then I can see why more new people leave EvE then stay...way more.
The PvP is awsome from the tiny bit I was able to do in the huge 0.0 corp, I just wish you didn't have to spend half a year to a year training to actually put a dent in something other then your wallet.
I guess that u had never heard about insta's right? again IF u were in a corp u would had goten insta's to where your corp members had been, hell my corp got route insta's for each part os Eve that we operated in.
Wrong.
5 T1 Med Drones in a T1 Amarr Abritrator
5 Med Drones = Drones lvl 5
T1 Arbitrator = Amarr Frigate lvl 4 + Amarr Cruiser lvl 2
On my Minimatar char with no learning skills, no Amarr Ship Skills, no Drone Skills, and Spaceship Command lvl 3 with int 4, percep 14, mem 4, & will 11 and only 182,923 skill points it will take :
Amarr Frigate I
Amarr Frigate II
Amarr Frigate III
Amarr Frigate IV
Amarr Cruiser I
Amarr Cruiser II
Drones I
Drones II
Drones III
Drones IV
Drones V
Total time: 19 days, 15 hours, 16 minutes, 55 seconds
For a Vexor with drones:
Drones I
Drones II
Drones III
Drones IV
Drones V
Gallente Frigate I
Gallente Frigate II
Gallente Frigate III
Gallente Frigate IV
Gallente Cruiser I
Gallente Cruiser II
Total time: 19 days, 15 hours, 16 minutes, 55 seconds
But I quit doing that, because I make alot more in 0.2 - 0.4 ratting in my FRIGATE. Because the spawns there tend to drop faster and drop rarer items more often.
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i think your problem is that you dont see a number above other player's ship telling you their level so that you know if you can beat them or no. and that scares you. you should know that 2 months of thoughtful planning can make a really good cruiser or frigate fighter.
but what you have to realize is that we are all on the same boat, so your skills are no worse than most players skills. what you need to do is to focus your objectives, and go for them. if you like mining, you should be already on a barge, or at least a mining cruiser.
if you like doing missions, you could be already doing lots of money on level 3's on a BC
and if you want to pvp, forget about mining, just join a pvp corp and learn to fight, which is much more important than skills. 2 months are more than enough to be a dangerous thorax, caracal or rupture pilot.
CCP was foolish to overlook this feature.
I will quit in protest, let us join together to fight the man - the icelandic man.
He didn't learn everything about the game in the first week, therefore the game sucks. lol.
To the OP:
You do realize. That I'm in no way considered a vet and in no way know as much as some ppl about the game. But if you jumped on my char and built your own Battleship using my skill points and I jumped on a trial account that's about to expire, I would probably pop you using a frigate right?
And to anyone who's gonna critize me on that:
This guy knows nothing about the game. I am Amarr, my BS's don't use Missiles. This guy is probably going to equip the ship with weapons that he looks at and says "ooo these look powerful they say 4x dmg!" but what he doesn't notice is the damn falloff range is 15km and if I warped to a belt and saw him, I'd quickly bookmark a roid next to him, warp back out, warp back in to that BM and that would probably put me at least 20km away from him. I would MWD(or AB) right up next to him and jam his ass, and a guy like this probably doesn't know enough to fit armor rep and if he fitted any rep at all it would probably be sheilds, then what's he gonna do? Sit there and watch me kill him while he yells at me in local, that's what.
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CCP was foolish to overlook this feature.
I will quit in protest, let us join together to fight the man - the icelandic man.
Errm
There are secure cans of multiple sizes. I recommend using giant ones.
You can anchor them
You can password protect them
Next question?
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Would it help to know that I spend my time, exclusively, in sub .5 space, in a Badger II with a top speed of 107m/sec, with no weapons at all, on a character with 3 weeks worth of skills?
I should also mention that I, personally, have over 100 million ISK, my corp is pushing 800 million and, as soon as we can figure it out, we'll be planning our first corp placement in space...
That's with 3 *weeks* worth of SP. The only difference is that I play with 3 folks from work, and the 4 of us are working as a group to accomplish things (miner, 2 ratters, hauler).
I guess I just don't see the the difficulty.
CCP was foolish to overlook this feature.
I will quit in protest, let us join together to fight the man - the icelandic man.
Errm
There are secure cans of multiple sizes. I recommend using giant ones.
You can anchor them
You can password protect them
Next question?
I believe RollinDutch was employing sarcasm.
Best advice for a new EVE player: get a corp that trains newbs, join that corp, and learn the ropes from experienced players. And don't expect to get very far at all in the game if you want to play mostly solo. More than most MMOs, EVE really is NOT designed to be played solo, it is far more dangerous to play that way and, to be honest, when not dangerous, rather boring. You will become dependent on playing with other players, because the game is designed to work that way ... which again, means it isn't for everyone.
As for ratting in 0.0 ... do you really rat in 0.0 in an Arbitrator? How do you manage to tank the damage in an arbitrator? I can't recall seeing many people successfully rat in 0.0 (at least the "good" rats, hehe) in T1 cruisers ... when I was playing EVE I ratted in 0.0 in BSs and HACs.
CCP was foolish to overlook this feature.
I will quit in protest, let us join together to fight the man - the icelandic man.
Errm
There are secure cans of multiple sizes. I recommend using giant ones.
You can anchor them
You can password protect them
Next question?
This forum really needs a sarcasm buton.
Anyway my advice to the OP is to joing a corp. Then learn how to PvP.
Yeah, it's quite easily actually. I rat Serps and use Kin Energy Plates and 1 Therm Energy Plate... I think those require lvl 1 Hull Uprgrades or something like that? I USE a T2 Med Armor rep, and T2 Drones. But I was doing it for quite awhile with T1, T2 just makes it easier.
The Megathrons I stay 17km away at least. The... idk the ship. The Barons, I use an AB and orbit 500m.
It can't take out all the spawns, but those 2 are the main ones I see. I can take out Dual Megthron spawns, but I can't take out dual Baron spawns, but the Barons rarely spawn in 2s.
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The title of this thread should be :
'Eve is not idiot friendly'
You are completely right
Eve is not newb friendly.
It is newb EATING
It is a an unfortunate fact. Many older players use their skill given supremacy to simply reap newbies.
Some actually make most profits by low risk newbie farming...
Which is quite natural - bigger fish eats smaller fish.
And this realistic - no hold bars attitude is what makes EVE so appealing.
Unfortunately , some people just dont like to pay for to be ganked for 2,3 month until they get a bit stronger.
It is simply no fun, whatever you say.
Being new to EVE IS NO FUN and that is biggest of EVEs problems
As for the skill system it is both blessing for CCP and the curse.
Blessing because people that invested so much time to rise the skills - will stay to actually use those skills.
Curse because the newcomers often dont have patience to be cannon fodder for the vets and pay subscription for it.
And belive me , vets need newbies - for some easy kills/profit
"Before this battle is over all the world will know that few...stood against many." - King Leonidas
Wait, you're minning, jettisoning the ore then you're bitching about someone taking what you dropped? hah!
OK, then you're sitting there wathcing someone take your cans that you're placing in space -assuming you are doing this a lot - but you're whining about not benig able to find PvP? hah!
It gets better, you want to mine, can't figure out how to do it - you're "jet canning" for others to take the ore - have been playing 2 months and claim you don't have any skills to do PvP? hah!
There's no silver spoon in EVE. It rewards players who engage in a dynamic environemt. Sitting idle jet canning trying to get rich - wrong way to do it - is the worst way you can do something wrong in EVE.
I would like to know what the OP has not established any player contacts and has refused to join a corp after 2 months? Does the OP expect EVE to be a solo minning simulation? it's not.
Too many players come to EVE with the silver spoon mentality that's found in most MMO's. I feel sorry for them. The interesting thing is those who are able to identify the dyanmics in EVE *are* the ones who say "Holy shit! This game rocks!"
advice: think out side of the box. EVE does not baby sit noobs (pun intended)
p.s. I solo ratted and ran the market for the first 2 months. I used a Coercer down into 0.1 with great sucess. I joined a corp when I felt I "understood" the game mechincs. Afterwards running comp[lexes and missions while constantly engaging in PvP in low sec lossing very few ships. 11 months later I look back to realize I've become bored with ratting and have been doing nearly nothing else then PvP for the last 4 months.
Yeah, it's quite easily actually. I rat Serps and use Kin Energy Plates and 1 Therm Energy Plate... I think those require lvl 1 Hull Uprgrades or something like that? I USE a T2 Med Armor rep, and T2 Drones. But I was doing it for quite awhile with T1, T2 just makes it easier.
The Megathrons I stay 17km away at least. The... idk the ship. The Barons, I use an AB and orbit 500m.
It can't take out all the spawns, but those 2 are the main ones I see. I can take out Dual Megthron spawns, but I can't take out dual Baron spawns, but the Barons rarely spawn in 2s.
Interesting. I would have thought that even with the hardeners, given the time it takes to kill with drones, it would be challenging to keep a tank on multiple BS spawns, but it's interesting to see you make that work with a T1 cruiser. As I said, when I played EVE I generally ratted either in a Dominix or an Ishtar, and I needed more tanking than that ... but then again I was often going against bigger spawns like the ones up in Venal or some of the tougher Angel spawns in Curse. I suppose it's important to remember that there's quite a bit of variety in 0.0 rats.
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the thing you consider the worst system as in leveling
are the core reason people like EvE Online lol
I love EvE Online becouse of the current skill system and
I know most part of the eve community love it
Most of us Hate the idea of XP grinding HELL hole as other mmorpgs
tries to drag us true..
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Very True.
That could be true. But, that really comes down to your corp. If you find a nice corp then they will usually fit you out in ships and pay for everything, just to have you as a wingman in battle.
The price of a frigate with T1 Tackler Gear - less than a mil (and even to me (a poor pilot) that's chump change)
Having that tackler and freeing up vital Equipment Slots - Priceless
The I would gladly pay for 15 newbies in tacklers to come with me whenever I'm out ganking and I'm sure the Industrial side is the same way when it comes to haulers.
Do you guys want to know a secret to EVE?
The biggest grind in EVE is not money, it's not equipment, it's not wait grind for you skills... the biggest grind in EVE is the social grind. Working your way up to an imporant member of a corp and establishing social relationships with people who can help you with whatever you need to do.
I recently made a recruitment banner for an Industrial Corp who was running a contest on the forums.
I got this from their site doing research on their corp for the banner:
They link to a definition of the word:
And really, this is how most of EVE's social structure works. The grind in EVE is unlike any grind in any other game, because the grind is Social Class.
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You need patience to make it with the top dogs in EvE. And it is going to cost you some time and dedication.
But the sense of achivement is great when you get there.
And really EVE is the game for acheevers ... if you fall more under explorer, or socialiser types, it may not be good for ya
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I know you're not a basher and you just don't like the game, which is understandable. I was just replying to you.
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