What I find funny is that everyone here is telling the guy to "join a good corp." However, none of us suggested that our good corps should be the ones that take the OP on, sight unseen. It is always some other corp's problem to take players sight unseen, so we can assert our rights to be picky.
Who wouldnt want someone whiny and incompetent? He can go join one of the university corps until he has something other then "I'm whiny and I dont know what I'm doing, GIVE MONEYS PLS" to offer.
The rest of your post is just failed psych 101, responding to it will just give you an inflated sense of your own importance.
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Those are my SP. I am on the verg of being able to do some really good PvP. You know how I got pretty much all that SP? Doing absolutly nothing. NOTHING. Logging on for 2 minutes a day/week.
No one here knows what a grind is. EvE is by far the easiest game to 'level' in, but it is also the longest, the stupidest, and the most boring seeing as you don't actually have to do anything to get anywhere cept pay $15 a month and log in for 2 minutes every day/week/ect. There is no other reason to log on since you can't really do anything till you have SP. CCP knows this, that is why they are giving new characters 900k or so SP now to start with, but imo, it's not enough, as I said before in terms of the bandaid.
The skill system is what is killing EvE from becoming so much bigger. I am willing to bet the skill system turns more people away then pulls them in.
I just think one way to fix this is to allow people to pick which way they want to 'level'. One is the current way, the boring way, the 'no accomplishment feeling' way and the other is being able to gain SP from missions/Killing NPC/Players and being able to assign it to different skills. Or they could just combine it. But I am really willign to bet money that the current skill system turns way, way, way more people away then it keeps.
Contrary to popular belief, skills are not the end all for PvP in EVE. You could have the best skills and still lose every battle that comes to you. Its about experience, knowledge, teamwork and patience. You cant approach and expect to win every fight in eve, there is no ship setup that comes prepared for all.
Lest to say, if you want to PvP, find a corp that deals in that area. Get your cruiser in under a few days. Look for easy prey. Use your corp to work together in finding targets.
As was said earlier in this game, EVE is not a solo game. The sooner you get yourself under the wing of a corp that works in the area you want to expand into, the better. You can learn from your corp members, gain allegiences, which will help you in the future.
EVE is not constant ratting, eve is what you make it. You can rat 24/7 if you want, or you can try to identify a goal and work towards it. So far ive been a Bounty Hunter, a Spy, a Diplomat, a CEO, a Miner and a PvPer in EVE, and theres still much more for me to do.
Holy shit, no wonder. Pick something. Your skills are ALL over the place. That and you have alot of time spent in learning, which is really good FOR THE LONG RUN because all that does is make skills train faster.
But, like I said a couple pages back there is a guy in my corp pwning 20mil SP characters with 3.4mil SP.
Well, i have a friend in EVE (we played other games together before) for a time, and he has about the half of my skills. And everytime we meet he pwns me, when PvPing, its just that he has stronger specialisation in some things, as i am more the generalist and put a lot effort into my logistic cruiser obesession, vice versa i can save his ship in the most critical situations, even when everyone is telling logistic cruiser are useless.
SP is just a certificate how much things you can use, maybe doing 5-25 % more damage, which is nothing compared to gear of other MMOs. Its really more about what you want and how you can achieve it. There is no I-Win button, its deversity and own imagination/skill that wins.
Originally posted by RollinDutch Its so unfair how EVE PvP consists only of two players coming together and comparing numbers of SP.
If only there was some skill involved, instead of a simple check to see who has more SP.
I don't know why people thnk that way, because it really isn't the case. Player skill (tactical skill) is more important than SPs and player skill +teamwork beats SPs every single engagement.
Thing about your skills, Dragon, is that you have some odd picks in there. Did you talk with others before deciding what to train in? For example, I see Gallente Cruiser to 5 ... someone with your level of SPs should *not* train that skill, really, because it takes a long time to train and the incremental benefit of going from 4 to 5 is marginal in itself. People train that skill when they are trying to get the pre-requisite for flying T2 cruisers, not when they are with 2m SPs. Also you have skills scattered across science, industry, weapons ... too scattered. When you've spent what must have been 30+ days on Cruiser 5 and scattered so many skills across so many other areas, it's no wonder you feel like you aren't making progress.
It seems to me you need to choose what you want to do and focus in that area, and also try to walk before you run ... in other words, train up frigate skills to a good level before you worry about Cruiser skills and so forth.
There's a lot of guidance about this on the eve-o forums as well.
Originally posted by RebornDragon Anyway, I've been playing EvE for two months and I still can't do didly as far as PvP because I don't have the skills (no, not my skills, but the skill system (which sucks so bad imo)). There is nothing to do other then kill "rats" that gets boring and mine for pidly amounts of money in high sec zones untill you've spent months and months waiting for your skills to become high enough to be able to even think about stepping into low sec space. Also, I can't stress enough how lame it is for Vets to camp high sec zones asteroid belts with heavy haulers that steal your ore and there is absolutly nothing you can do about it. They literally pick up your can and haul it away if it's a secure or just steal it and put it in their can, wait for you to take it back, and then own you while the 'police' just sit there and watch. If you're getting ready to sub or try EvE, be ready to just log in for 2 minutes a day/week/month(s) to change to a new skill after it gets done training. It gets boring fast once you see that no matter how much you play, you're not getting anywhere as far as upgrading your ship to be able to do anything for a very long time. The only problem I see with EvE is the skill system. It's got to be the worst 'leveling' system out there. It simply takes entirely too long to be able to do anything other then mine or do the same quest five hundred times. If they re-vamped the skill system to allow 'exp' for skills that you could assign to any skill when you kill NPC's and players it would grow way bigger then it is now, IMO. DO NOT GO INTO LOW SEC AS A NEW PLAYER. Due to many factors, mainly the ability of player allainces to secure space, 0.0 is much safer if you join a corp or alliance that has there own 0.0 space. Low sec is a deathtrap for (any) players who have small ships.
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The rest of your post is just failed psych 101, responding to it will just give you an inflated sense of your own importance.
He's been having a blast, and it's one of the best ways to learn PVP
We have a guy in my corp who has 3.1mil SP and has been pwning ppl left and right in 0.4-0.2 in his PVP Frigates.
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Ordinance Delivery Services?
Oh, they already have one...and only one.
Care to say why my post failed PSYCH 101?
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
No one here knows what a grind is. EvE is by far the easiest game to 'level' in, but it is also the longest, the stupidest, and the most boring seeing as you don't actually have to do anything to get anywhere cept pay $15 a month and log in for 2 minutes every day/week/ect. There is no other reason to log on since you can't really do anything till you have SP. CCP knows this, that is why they are giving new characters 900k or so SP now to start with, but imo, it's not enough, as I said before in terms of the bandaid.
The skill system is what is killing EvE from becoming so much bigger. I am willing to bet the skill system turns more people away then pulls them in.
I just think one way to fix this is to allow people to pick which way they want to 'level'. One is the current way, the boring way, the 'no accomplishment feeling' way and the other is being able to gain SP from missions/Killing NPC/Players and being able to assign it to different skills. Or they could just combine it. But I am really willign to bet money that the current skill system turns way, way, way more people away then it keeps.
Lest to say, if you want to PvP, find a corp that deals in that area. Get your cruiser in under a few days. Look for easy prey. Use your corp to work together in finding targets.
As was said earlier in this game, EVE is not a solo game. The sooner you get yourself under the wing of a corp that works in the area you want to expand into, the better. You can learn from your corp members, gain allegiences, which will help you in the future.
EVE is not constant ratting, eve is what you make it. You can rat 24/7 if you want, or you can try to identify a goal and work towards it. So far ive been a Bounty Hunter, a Spy, a Diplomat, a CEO, a Miner and a PvPer in EVE, and theres still much more for me to do.
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Holy shit, no wonder. Pick something. Your skills are ALL over the place. That and you have alot of time spent in learning, which is really good FOR THE LONG RUN because all that does is make skills train faster.
But, like I said a couple pages back there is a guy in my corp pwning 20mil SP characters with 3.4mil SP.
A Work in Progress.
Add Me
If only there was some skill involved, instead of a simple check to see who has more SP.
Well, i have a friend in EVE (we played other games together before) for a time, and he has about the half of my skills. And everytime we meet he pwns me, when PvPing, its just that he has stronger specialisation in some things, as i am more the generalist and put a lot effort into my logistic cruiser obesession, vice versa i can
save his ship in the most critical situations, even when everyone is telling logistic cruiser are useless.
SP is just a certificate how much things you can use, maybe doing 5-25 % more damage, which is nothing
compared to gear of other MMOs.
Its really more about what you want and how you can achieve it. There is no I-Win button, its deversity and
own imagination/skill that wins.
I don't know why people thnk that way, because it really isn't the case. Player skill (tactical skill) is more important than SPs and player skill +teamwork beats SPs every single engagement.
It seems to me you need to choose what you want to do and focus in that area, and also try to walk before you run ... in other words, train up frigate skills to a good level before you worry about Cruiser skills and so forth.
There's a lot of guidance about this on the eve-o forums as well.
PvP in EVE is everything to do with skill.
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