Are there still people dumb enough to think that the earth is 5000 years old and that the dinosaurs are here to trick us or whatever the moronic excuse is?
Originally posted by Kootur Are there still people dumb enough to think that the earth is 5000 years old and that the dinosaurs are here to trick us or whatever the moronic excuse is?
If you read some of the earlier posts, i would say.... yes lol
Originally posted by Kootur Are there still people dumb enough to think that the earth is 5000 years old and that the dinosaurs are here to trick us or whatever the moronic excuse is?
hello flame bait
yes, I'm dumb enough to bother doing my homework about evolution and the age of the Earth...and no, not 5,000 years, more like 6,000 years
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Originally posted by Kootur Are there still people dumb enough to think that the earth is 5000 years old and that the dinosaurs are here to trick us or whatever the moronic excuse is?
Its not necessarily dumb, there are flaws with the current scientific explaination for the age of the Earth, and God could have deliberately made the Earth to look like its been here for a lot longer than it really was.
Why would he do that? I don't know, I don't think anyone has answered that one with anything other than a repetitive variation of "god is mysterious in his ways" (Oh, how I hated that phrase whenever one of the priests I've talked to over the years used it when I posed a difficult question)
The aforementioned flaws are not enough to disprove the theories, yet. And nothing short of (literally) divine intervention is going to convince the scientific community that the actuall age is 6,000 years.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
Originally posted by Kootur Are there still people dumb enough to think that the earth is 5000 years old and that the dinosaurs are here to trick us or whatever the moronic excuse is? proof that this ^ guy is a troll and didnt read any of the posts in this thread. what a tard, lol.
Its not necessarily dumb, there are flaws with the current scientific explaination for the age of the Earth, and God could have deliberately made the Earth to look like its been here for a lot longer than it really was.
while i thank you for not just dismissing the creationists viewpoint as "blind" faith in God works in mysteries ways. especially since neither i nor Draenor have used that cliche' to explain anything. however; i personally dont believe that God deliberately made the Earth to look older than it is. i just believe that our current science is incapable of interpreting the data accurately enough.
Why would he do that? I don't know, I don't think anyone has answered that one with anything other than a repetitive variation of "god is mysterious in his ways" (Oh, how I hated that phrase whenever one of the priests I've talked to over the years used it when I posed a difficult question)
again, neither of us have even used that cliche' to explain anything.
The aforementioned flaws are not enough to disprove the theories, yet. And nothing short of (literally) divine intervention is going to convince the scientific community that the actuall age is 6,000 years.
this is the only thing that i completely agree with. people in general want to not believe in God so bad that it will take Divine Intervention to prove anything to them. btw, thats Bible. read revelations. there will be some that will not believe till God Himself shows the truth, then they will believe, but then it will too late. good luck with that. id rather be safe than sorry.
Originally posted by Aelfinn Light-travel time: a problem for the big bang
Hmm, congratulations, the most you have done with this article is proven both of us wrong, or rather, proven you wrong, and the big bang theory to be a theory. actually it doesnt disprove the Bible at all. and since youre still going to hold onto a disproven "theory", you will never know whether the Bible is true, because unless there is Divine Intervention, youre going to believe everything and anything else. and you just proved that. You said yourself that the scientific community is moving away from the big bang explaination. Not too surprising really, its been several decades since Stephen Hawking published that undergraduate college paper that started it all. yeah, not surprising that the scientific community is moving away from its own theories when they are disproven so dramaticly that they cant just make up a "meteor impact" that would straighten out the model, however; the Bible will never be considered a valid source by the greater scientific community. IMO, their loss. Now, I will agree with you on one point since the subject has come up, it is stupid to teach evolution and the big bang as fact in school. I have long been an advocate of a different course of study, in which the more likely explainations are all taught, including a rendered and understandable form of creationism. Thank you. you prolly are about the only person that believes in evolution, that would actually admit that.
Originally posted by Kootur Are there still people dumb enough to think that the earth is 5000 years old and that the dinosaurs are here to trick us or whatever the moronic excuse is? proof that this ^ guy is a troll and didnt read any of the posts in this thread. what a tard, lol.
Its not necessarily dumb, there are flaws with the current scientific explaination for the age of the Earth, and God could have deliberately made the Earth to look like its been here for a lot longer than it really was.
while i thank you for not just dismissing the creationists viewpoint as "blind" faith in God works in mysteries ways. especially since neither i nor Draenor have used that cliche' to explain anything. however; i personally dont believe that God deliberately made the Earth to look older than it is. i just believe that our current science is incapable of interpreting the data accurately enough.
Why would he do that? I don't know, I don't think anyone has answered that one with anything other than a repetitive variation of "god is mysterious in his ways" (Oh, how I hated that phrase whenever one of the priests I've talked to over the years used it when I posed a difficult question)
again, neither of us have even used that cliche' to explain anything.
The aforementioned flaws are not enough to disprove the theories, yet. And nothing short of (literally) divine intervention is going to convince the scientific community that the actuall age is 6,000 years.
this is the only thing that i completely agree with. people in general want to not believe in God so bad that it will take Divine Intervention to prove anything to them. btw, thats Bible. read revelations. there will be some that will not believe till God Himself shows the truth, then they will believe, but then it will too late. good luck with that. id rather be safe than sorry.
Do you have a chip on your shoulder Plano? Or maybe just something against me?
This is the second time you have incorrectly assumed that I was talking to or about you.
Although, yeah, he is a tard
P.S. I don't know for sure what I believe in terms of god's existance, been wavering on that point for a long time. However, I have absolutely zero faith in books and religions made by man.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
Aelfin: In response to your comment about the article regarding the big bang and the speed of light...the point of the article wasn't to prove anything about creation, but rather to show evolutionists that the argument that creation can't be true due to light from stars reaching Earth to soon is invalid, because an old universe model has the exact same problem.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Originally posted by Babbuun PlanoMM. Please stop saying I want you to believe in evolution. Please stop saying I'm advocating evolution. And please stop "lol"ing your own text(it's not constructive).
sorry, lol, didnt know it bothered you, lol, so much, lol, i wont do it anymore, lol. and you have responded over and over trying to convince me why the Bible is wrong and evolution is right, what else could i have gathered from your posts, pal.
You say religion was never in question? How do you explain this? Do you have thorough scans of the thoughts of every person that has ever existed? Do you realize that religion was the only alternative in many societies? People were not taught anything else explaining the nature of our existence, and since it was such an abstract concept, people believed in what the guys in charge said ("I am the king, put on my throne by God, now go and listen to your pastor and believe in him"). isnt this the case now, with the evolution taught in schools? i think that since, Draenor and i are treated like were the stupid ones for believing other than what you believe, that falls right inline with your theory there.
Until the last few centuries, there were only a very limited amount of empirical methods to prove anything at all.
what i said was, that for 1000s of years, no one even doubted that the creation model was accurate. they never had reason to. study up on the men and women that first started the evolutionary thinking in the first place, and i think that youll see why most creationists disregard these scientists.
Evolution is a theory based on the physics, chemistry and biology of today. The natural sciences. Whether evolution is true or not does not matter because im just going to believe anything other than the Bible. fixed. It's an assumption <--key word made by scientists and it is constantly being changed until it somewhat makes sense. fixed. Guess what? Scientists bring out new models about the nature of our existence as well. The only thing is these theories are also based upon the natural sciences, not a compilation of contradicting man-made texts <--funniest statement in this, who are the texts written by for evolution then, if not by fallable man. lol.from thousands of years ago. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's good. contradiction, much? some of the "evidence" used by evolution is "man-made" texts written thousands of years ago, lol.
Earlier on I said "go read some science books". By this I didn't mean anything of or relating to evolution. all of the "science books" that you speak of, treat evolution as fact. so of course, there going to support evolution in practice. I meant basic empirical science. You can go test most the stuff by yourself. You'll have a far better understanding of your surroundings by reading basic empirical science than the holy book of yours (the best understanding would be by doing things, of course ). hmmm.....good point, maybe by living by Biblicial principles, ive learned something. then of course there is the fact that alot of basic science facts are in the Bible in the first place. read it, and youll find out. im not going to hold your hand and quote it all out for you, if you really wanna know, youll read it yourself. i read up on everything you guys post up here.
If you get hurt, a doctor will treat you based on empirical science, not on faith (we all know what happened when faith was a major part of medicine, fatality rates were in the clouds and the average age of a human being was ~30).
but by treating you, a doctor isnt going to use trial and error, is he/she? nuff said. and again, i dont have a problem with science.
Draenor. The empirical science = religion arguement was just pulled off the top of your head. Just tell me how empirical science = religion if I think about it? Religion isn't empirical (to me: empirical = observable trial & error in controlled conditions). Please think before you type.
You doubt plate tectonics. How do you explain earthquakes? How do you explain Iceland and the mountainous islands forming near it? Why do you think the Appalachians are covered by vegetation and the Rocky Mountains are as rocky as ever?
he never said that he doubted plate tectonics. think before you type, lol.
Do you have a chip on your shoulder Plano? Or maybe just something against me?
This is the second time you have incorrectly assumed that I was talking to or about you.
Although, yeah, he is a tard
P.S. I don't know for sure what I believe in terms of god's existance, been wavering on that point for a long time. However, I have absolutely zero faith in books and religions made by man.
no, i dont have a chip on me shoulder, and no i dont have anything against you either. in fact, you and Kai, are about the only ones that have represented your points with inteligence. i respect your view and opinion. im responding to you because you have been responding to us, Draenor and I. sorry if you took it offensively, i meant no offense.
Originally posted by PlanoMM Originally posted by modjoe86 Originally posted by PlanoMM id rather be safe than sorry.
Yea, I bet God's really gonna respect that viewpoint when the final judgment comes.
what exactly are you getting at? btw, taking things out of context is just plain stupid. i can do it too, see watch:
God's really gonna respect that viewpoint. thank you for noticing. as im sure He will.
I didn't take anything out of context, I just snipped it for cosmetic's sake. Using Paschal's Wager to boost your chances of getting into heaven is as shallow as a kiddie pool.
Oh, and you didn't take what I said out of context, you just took the meaning away from my statement.
Originally posted by Nierro Am I going to burn alive and get tortured every day for not doing everything some invisible/deaf/mute man in space wants me to? ohnoes.
i dont know about that, lol, neither do you. so why bring it up, unless of course, youre implying that God is a deaf/mute "man" in space. funny, and im the shallow one. lol.
Yea, I bet God's really gonna respect that viewpoint when the final judgment comes.
what exactly are you getting at? btw, taking things out of context is just plain stupid. i can do it too, see watch:
God's really gonna respect that viewpoint. thank you for noticing. as im sure He will.
I didn't take anything out of context, I just snipped it for cosmetic's sake. Using Paschal's Wager to boost your chances of getting into heaven is as shallow as a kiddie pool.
Oh, and you didn't take what I said out of context, you just took the meaning away from my statement.
you did take it out of context, reread the rest of the statement, it flows together. and trolling the boards and basicly telling others that they arent as smart as you because they believe in God is about as dumb as shouting "FIRE" in a public building. good luck with that. and i took it out of context, just like you did to me. same diffence. sorry you cant see that. however, thats not really me problem, is it?
and trolling the boards and basicly telling others that they arent as smart as you because they believe in God is about as dumb as shouting "FIRE" in a public building. Can you link me to a thread where I have said that?
Originally posted by PlanoMM Originally posted by kaibigan34 Originally posted by PlanoMM Originally posted by kaibigan34 Ah so you dont think its evidence? Well let me ask you this? If science is flawed as you say then is the earth round or flat? Think about this for a moment. As you put it science is flawed because men are fallible. That means its quite possible that the earth is flat.didnt say that all science is flawed, i said that the evolutionist model is flawed, big difference. and i dont need science to prove that the earth is round, the psalms clear that up for me. If someone posted on this thread that the earth was flat, in all honesty you couldnt argue it. They could use the exact same arguments you are using to support their claim. no they couldnt, cause i used the Bible. Bible doesnt say that the earth is flat. What about if tobacco companies started using that as a basis to claim their products dont cause cancer? After all, all the evidence to support the claim of cancer is scientific. tabacco companies do that. what the point?Do you see what I am getting at. Yes these are very extreme views. But you cant really say "science is right here because it supports something I support and science is wrong over there because it denies something I support."this i agree with. hence the, "if it doesnt fit the evolutionist model then why do they throw it out as impossible?" many, many things dont add up in the evolutionist model, however; no one even second guesses it. "oo its fact, we just have to adjust our theories to match new findings every couple of years." Simple. Plate Tectonics. Mountains are made from that. Two plates pushing against each other can cause ripples. These ripples are mountain ranges. So there was a time when a mountain wasnt there and the ground was flat. Quite possibly even under water. Where do clams live? In the water.this is true, except that thats not even the only example of this. there are many unexplainables in the evolutionary model.Also mountains are formed by volcanos. There alot of mountains out there that used to be colcanos but no longer.In fact even creationists believe it was formed from plate tectonics. They just believe it happened in days not over millions of years.exactly. Not bias. Its the only real evidence of Noah's Flood. A few entries in a book.untrue, there are many different accounts of a global wide flood in many different books. and the creationist model supports a global flood, the evolutionist model doesnt, so why again, do we dismiss it? OO thats right, it doesnt fit well with our model. I dont need faith. I can see and touch a fossil. I have rooms, storage locker, and a store full of them. but again, thats assuming that that fossil that youre touching is millions of years old. thats not proof in and of itself. if it was, then we wouldnt still be talking about it here, would we?There are also alot of false messiahs out there as well. Look at a few recent ones like Jim Jones or David Koresh. They dont paste two animals together but they twisted the bible verses to suit their own ends. Using your arguement that science is wrong because of alot of flasehood early on. Well there is falsehood in the christian religion as well. yeppers, i never claimed otherwise. false messiahs and twisted scriptures isnt what were talking about though. we could compare scientific falsehood and christian falsehood all night, but hows that going to prove anything. especially when i agree with you about it. false messiahs suck. lol. so does false science. I live in Oklahoma. Pretty far from the ocean. But I can jump on my bike and ride down to the coast in Texas to dive.i wish i could, but i live in Indiana, it would be quite an endeavor for me. uhhhggggg.... In the example of everest we have scientific models that show what would happen if the plate tectonics took days instead of millions of years. It would have torn the earth apart.
Sorry I take so long to reply now. Busy time of year between my store and volunteering for BADD I only have a few hours a day to myself right now.
Kai hey, no biggie, no need to apologize, we all gotta work and such. i look forward to hearing from you. PlanoMM I think we will have to end this discussion and just agree to disagree here because we are beating a dead horse. There is no way you can convince me that your right and the same goes for me. So Lets just move on to other things.
But first I have to ask because I am truly interested here. This isnt an insult to you. How can you say you dont trust science because men are fallible but you do trust the Bible eventhough men are fallible? Men bring us both. Yah ok the easy answer is its God's will. But men are fallible. Those men could have mistaken what God wanted. Look at some of the guys out there mistaking what God wants now.
Anyway great discussion with you. Unless you can think of some other we can each deny or agree the opposite of each other I think its dead. haha
and trolling the boards and basicly telling others that they arent as smart as you because they believe in God is about as dumb as shouting "FIRE" in a public building.
Can you link me to a thread where I have said that?
Using Paschal's Wager to boost your chances of getting into heaven is as shallow as a kiddie pool. The topic was a request for scientific sites. Creationism is based on faith, not science.
im pretty sure that if i were to say either one of those statements about your belief system(and that is what it is), you would have gotten offended. btw, im not the only person in the world that believes in God. both of your statements above were meant to convey lack of inteligence. dont even try to deny it. anyone that reads them can and will draw the same conclusions that i did. good luck backing out of this one. or maybe youll just throw out a blanket statement. Oo well, its a good thing that youre not actually Dr. Phil, or you would have just lost some TV ratings with your condesending attitude toward those that believe in God.
Originally posted by PlanoMM Originally posted by modjoe86 Originally posted by PlanoMM
and trolling the boards and basicly telling others that they arent as smart as you because they believe in God is about as dumb as shouting "FIRE" in a public building. Can you link me to a thread where I have said that?
Using Paschal's Wager to boost your chances of getting into heaven is as shallow as a kiddie pool. The topic was a request for scientific sites. Creationism is based on faith, not science.
im pretty sure that if i were to say either one of those statements about your belief system(and that is what it is), you would have gotten offended. btw, im not the only person in the world that believes in God. both of your statements above were meant to convey lack of inteligence. dont even try to deny it. anyone that reads them can and will draw the same conclusions that i did. good luck backing out of this one. or maybe youll just throw out a blanket statement. Oo well, its a good thing that youre not actually Dr. Phil, or you would have just lost some TV ratings with your condesending attitude toward those that believe in God.
Do you even know what Paschal's Wager is? I have absolutely no problem with theists, I just have problems with theists who use Paschal's Wager. To believe in a higher power "just in case" is pitiful.
So no, I don't think I'll need to back out of this one. I think my condescending attitude towards wishy-washy theists is justified.
Originally posted by Draenor Mount Everest is flat, and then some clams die on it, and then shifts around due to plate techtonics to the point that it becomes the highest mountain in the world, and those fossilized clams remain intact after hundreds of millions of years of geological shifts. Am I the only one that finds this absurd?Absurd how? Oh and it's not the only evidence for a global flood...the ice age is evidence in and of itself. Job lived during the Ice Age...and such a time would have easily been brought about by the events of a global flood, and the way that God ended the flood(pulling mountains upwards, hmm, explanation for the Everest clams?)There have been a few huge floods. We have proof of those in the geologic record. But none around the time of Noah. Job lived during the Ice Age? Can I ask where in the Bible it says this? Only things I can see is it talks about snow and ice sometimes. Well heck then every january here in my home state we have an Ice Age. Both come down to faith, but what does your faith have to offer you? Continual conjecture and changing conclusions every couple of years. Our evidence might change, but it still finds a way to fit nicely with 6,000 years...and our conclusion never changes. My faith doesn't change, yours does...why should I accept your faith when I already have one of my own? Why should I accept a faith that my life is a meaningless chance occurance and that the Bible is based on a lie? I dont believe the Bible is a lie. I trust in both science and the Bible. Yah some of the Bible is not true but it does what it is supposed to do. Sure science has holes but it does what its supposed too. I'll take my chances with God, thanks...If I'm wrong, I lose nothing, if I'm right, I gain everything.So your picking that path only because it covers all your bases. Yah I'm sure God will love that.
PlanoMM I think we will have to end this discussion and just agree to disagree here because we are beating a dead horse. There is no way you can convince me that your right and the same goes for me. So Lets just move on to other things.
But first I have to ask because I am truly interested here. This isnt an insult to you. How can you say you dont trust science because men are fallible but you do trust the Bible eventhough men are fallible? Men bring us both. Yah ok the easy answer is its God's will. But men are fallible. Those men could have mistaken what God wanted. Look at some of the guys out there mistaking what God wants now.
Anyway great discussion with you. Unless you can think of some other we can each deny or agree the opposite of each other I think its dead. haha
Kai
hey, thanks for the reply. i agree. just because we dont necessarily agree on the debate doesnt mean that we have to be enemies. i happen to think that you are quite inteligent and insightful. so i agree to disagree, lol. besides, were starting to attract the trolls, and frankly, i would rather /ignore them then explain through everything that weve already covered over and over. why people cant just either read the thread or stay out of it, i dont know. durned annoying to have to repeat yourself multiple times because some moron didnt read it.
and as far as your question goes, im not insulted by it at all. in fact, yes, men penned the Bible. however, God penned me heart. i didnt go by what was written in the Bible, i decided to get me answers from the source. now i know im going to lose you here and probably even some christians as well. but like you, i couldnt accept what is written with blind faith. so i talked and prayed to Him for the answers. and whether or not you believe me, He answered me. now i know that some troll is going to quote me and say that that proves that im crazy and that its just me opinion. and thats fine. dont believe me, but you did ask. and up till now, ive left that out of the equation. ive only used what we can see and hear as evidence for creationism. it wasnt good enough, forgive me for saying so, but its your loss, not mine. i mean no offense by that. but i know what believe, im not wavering (not suggesting that you are), so whether you believe in the same God that i do or not, will not effect me in the least. i do hope that that answers your question suffiently.
and i extend the offer of pming me if you wanna talk about anything else. and me offer of friendship, if you want it.
Originally posted by PlanoMM hey, thanks for the reply. i agree. just because we dont necessarily agree on the debate doesnt mean that we have to be enemies. i happen to think that you are quite inteligent and insightful. so i agree to disagree, lol. besides, were starting to attract the trolls, and frankly, i would rather /ignore them then explain through everything that weve already covered over and over. why people cant just either read the thread or stay out of it, i dont know. durned annoying to have to repeat yourself multiple times because some moron didnt read it. and as far as your question goes, im not insulted by it at all. in fact, yes, men penned the Bible. however, God penned me heart. i didnt go by what was written in the Bible, i decided to get me answers from the source. now i know im going to lose you here and probably even some christians as well. but like you, i couldnt accept what is written with blind faith. so i talked and prayed to Him for the answers. and whether or not you believe me, He answered me. now i know that some troll is going to quote me and say that that proves that im crazy and that its just me opinion. and thats fine. dont believe me, but you did ask. and up till now, ive left that out of the equation. ive only used what we can see and hear as evidence for creationism. it wasnt good enough, forgive me for saying so, but its your loss, not mine. i mean no offense by that. but i know what believe, im not wavering (not suggesting that you are), so whether you believe in the same God that i do or not, will not effect me in the least. i do hope that that answers your question suffiently. and i extend the offer of pming me if you wanna talk about anything else. and me offer of friendship, if you want it.
Damn but I envy you then, just about everything in my life is shadowed by doubt. I would love to have that kind of certainty. Unfortunately, wanting to be able to believe doesn't make it so.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
Originally posted by PlanoMM hey, thanks for the reply. i agree. just because we dont necessarily agree on the debate doesnt mean that we have to be enemies. i happen to think that you are quite inteligent and insightful. so i agree to disagree, lol. besides, were starting to attract the trolls, and frankly, i would rather /ignore them then explain through everything that weve already covered over and over. why people cant just either read the thread or stay out of it, i dont know. durned annoying to have to repeat yourself multiple times because some moron didnt read it. and as far as your question goes, im not insulted by it at all. in fact, yes, men penned the Bible. however, God penned me heart. i didnt go by what was written in the Bible, i decided to get me answers from the source. now i know im going to lose you here and probably even some christians as well. but like you, i couldnt accept what is written with blind faith. so i talked and prayed to Him for the answers. and whether or not you believe me, He answered me. now i know that some troll is going to quote me and say that that proves that im crazy and that its just me opinion. and thats fine. dont believe me, but you did ask. and up till now, ive left that out of the equation. ive only used what we can see and hear as evidence for creationism. it wasnt good enough, forgive me for saying so, but its your loss, not mine. i mean no offense by that. but i know what believe, im not wavering (not suggesting that you are), so whether you believe in the same God that i do or not, will not effect me in the least. i do hope that that answers your question suffiently. and i extend the offer of pming me if you wanna talk about anything else. and me offer of friendship, if you want it.
Damn but I envy you then, just about everything in my life is shadowed by doubt. I would love to have that kind of certainty. Unfortunately, wanting to be able to believe doesn't make it so.
youre exactly right. wanting to believe in something without proof, doesnt make it so. remind you of anything? btw, werent you the one just complaining about me butting into your convo with someone else? lol, anyway, i didnt actually expect any of you to take me seriously. you just going to have to find your own answers.
Do you even know what Paschal's Wager is? I have absolutely no problem with theists, I just have problems with theists who use Paschal's Wager. To believe in a higher power "just in case" is pitiful.
So no, I don't think I'll need to back out of this one. I think my condescending attitude towards wishy-washy theists is justified.
actually, im not even the one that used the "Paschal's Wager" in the first place. and me faith in God isnt a "just in case" case. but even if it were, if im right, then atheists are in a bad way. if im wrong, then no one is in a bad way. so why the insults? and your condescending attitude towards anyone is completely unfounded, because youre nobody special. you dont rule anything. all it does is prove that you believe yourself better than others, which is what is "pitiful".
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hello flame bait
yes, I'm dumb enough to bother doing my homework about evolution and the age of the Earth...and no, not 5,000 years, more like 6,000 years
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Its not necessarily dumb, there are flaws with the current scientific explaination for the age of the Earth, and God could have deliberately made the Earth to look like its been here for a lot longer than it really was.
Why would he do that? I don't know, I don't think anyone has answered that one with anything other than a repetitive variation of "god is mysterious in his ways" (Oh, how I hated that phrase whenever one of the priests I've talked to over the years used it when I posed a difficult question)
The aforementioned flaws are not enough to disprove the theories, yet. And nothing short of (literally) divine intervention is going to convince the scientific community that the actuall age is 6,000 years.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Its not necessarily dumb, there are flaws with the current scientific explaination for the age of the Earth, and God could have deliberately made the Earth to look like its been here for a lot longer than it really was.
while i thank you for not just dismissing the creationists viewpoint as "blind" faith in God works in mysteries ways. especially since neither i nor Draenor have used that cliche' to explain anything. however; i personally dont believe that God deliberately made the Earth to look older than it is. i just believe that our current science is incapable of interpreting the data accurately enough.
Why would he do that? I don't know, I don't think anyone has answered that one with anything other than a repetitive variation of "god is mysterious in his ways" (Oh, how I hated that phrase whenever one of the priests I've talked to over the years used it when I posed a difficult question)
again, neither of us have even used that cliche' to explain anything.
The aforementioned flaws are not enough to disprove the theories, yet. And nothing short of (literally) divine intervention is going to convince the scientific community that the actuall age is 6,000 years.
this is the only thing that i completely agree with. people in general want to not believe in God so bad that it will take Divine Intervention to prove anything to them. btw, thats Bible. read revelations. there will be some that will not believe till God Himself shows the truth, then they will believe, but then it will too late. good luck with that. id rather be safe than sorry.
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Its not necessarily dumb, there are flaws with the current scientific explaination for the age of the Earth, and God could have deliberately made the Earth to look like its been here for a lot longer than it really was.
while i thank you for not just dismissing the creationists viewpoint as "blind" faith in God works in mysteries ways. especially since neither i nor Draenor have used that cliche' to explain anything. however; i personally dont believe that God deliberately made the Earth to look older than it is. i just believe that our current science is incapable of interpreting the data accurately enough.
Why would he do that? I don't know, I don't think anyone has answered that one with anything other than a repetitive variation of "god is mysterious in his ways" (Oh, how I hated that phrase whenever one of the priests I've talked to over the years used it when I posed a difficult question)
again, neither of us have even used that cliche' to explain anything.
The aforementioned flaws are not enough to disprove the theories, yet. And nothing short of (literally) divine intervention is going to convince the scientific community that the actuall age is 6,000 years.
this is the only thing that i completely agree with. people in general want to not believe in God so bad that it will take Divine Intervention to prove anything to them. btw, thats Bible. read revelations. there will be some that will not believe till God Himself shows the truth, then they will believe, but then it will too late. good luck with that. id rather be safe than sorry.
Do you have a chip on your shoulder Plano? Or maybe just something against me?
This is the second time you have incorrectly assumed that I was talking to or about you.
Although, yeah, he is a tard
P.S. I don't know for sure what I believe in terms of god's existance, been wavering on that point for a long time. However, I have absolutely zero faith in books and religions made by man.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
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Do you have a chip on your shoulder Plano? Or maybe just something against me?
This is the second time you have incorrectly assumed that I was talking to or about you.
Although, yeah, he is a tard
P.S. I don't know for sure what I believe in terms of god's existance, been wavering on that point for a long time. However, I have absolutely zero faith in books and religions made by man.
no, i dont have a chip on me shoulder, and no i dont have anything against you either. in fact, you and Kai, are about the only ones that have represented your points with inteligence. i respect your view and opinion. im responding to you because you have been responding to us, Draenor and I. sorry if you took it offensively, i meant no offense.
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Yea, I bet God's really gonna respect that viewpoint when the final judgment comes.
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Yea, I bet God's really gonna respect that viewpoint when the final judgment comes.
what exactly are you getting at? btw, taking things out of context is just plain stupid. i can do it too, see watch:
God's really gonna respect that viewpoint. thank you for noticing. as im sure He will.
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Yea, I bet God's really gonna respect that viewpoint when the final judgment comes.
what exactly are you getting at? btw, taking things out of context is just plain stupid. i can do it too, see watch:
God's really gonna respect that viewpoint. thank you for noticing. as im sure He will.
I didn't take anything out of context, I just snipped it for cosmetic's sake. Using Paschal's Wager to boost your chances of getting into heaven is as shallow as a kiddie pool.
Oh, and you didn't take what I said out of context, you just took the meaning away from my statement.
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Yea, I bet God's really gonna respect that viewpoint when the final judgment comes.
what exactly are you getting at? btw, taking things out of context is just plain stupid. i can do it too, see watch:
God's really gonna respect that viewpoint. thank you for noticing. as im sure He will.
I didn't take anything out of context, I just snipped it for cosmetic's sake. Using Paschal's Wager to boost your chances of getting into heaven is as shallow as a kiddie pool.
Oh, and you didn't take what I said out of context, you just took the meaning away from my statement.
you did take it out of context, reread the rest of the statement, it flows together. and trolling the boards and basicly telling others that they arent as smart as you because they believe in God is about as dumb as shouting "FIRE" in a public building. good luck with that. and i took it out of context, just like you did to me. same diffence. sorry you cant see that. however, thats not really me problem, is it?
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Can you link me to a thread where I have said that?
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Sorry I take so long to reply now. Busy time of year between my store and volunteering for BADD I only have a few hours a day to myself right now.
Kai
hey, no biggie, no need to apologize, we all gotta work and such. i look forward to hearing from you.
PlanoMM I think we will have to end this discussion and just agree to disagree here because we are beating a dead horse. There is no way you can convince me that your right and the same goes for me. So Lets just move on to other things.
But first I have to ask because I am truly interested here. This isnt an insult to you. How can you say you dont trust science because men are fallible but you do trust the Bible eventhough men are fallible? Men bring us both. Yah ok the easy answer is its God's will. But men are fallible. Those men could have mistaken what God wanted. Look at some of the guys out there mistaking what God wants now.
Anyway great discussion with you. Unless you can think of some other we can each deny or agree the opposite of each other I think its dead. haha
Kai
Can you link me to a thread where I have said that?
Using Paschal's Wager to boost your chances of getting into heaven is as shallow as a kiddie pool. The topic was a request for scientific sites. Creationism is based on faith, not science.
im pretty sure that if i were to say either one of those statements about your belief system(and that is what it is), you would have gotten offended. btw, im not the only person in the world that believes in God. both of your statements above were meant to convey lack of inteligence. dont even try to deny it. anyone that reads them can and will draw the same conclusions that i did. good luck backing out of this one. or maybe youll just throw out a blanket statement. Oo well, its a good thing that youre not actually Dr. Phil, or you would have just lost some TV ratings with your condesending attitude toward those that believe in God.
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Can you link me to a thread where I have said that?
Using Paschal's Wager to boost your chances of getting into heaven is as shallow as a kiddie pool. The topic was a request for scientific sites. Creationism is based on faith, not science.
im pretty sure that if i were to say either one of those statements about your belief system(and that is what it is), you would have gotten offended. btw, im not the only person in the world that believes in God. both of your statements above were meant to convey lack of inteligence. dont even try to deny it. anyone that reads them can and will draw the same conclusions that i did. good luck backing out of this one. or maybe youll just throw out a blanket statement. Oo well, its a good thing that youre not actually Dr. Phil, or you would have just lost some TV ratings with your condesending attitude toward those that believe in God.
Do you even know what Paschal's Wager is? I have absolutely no problem with theists, I just have problems with theists who use Paschal's Wager. To believe in a higher power "just in case" is pitiful.
So no, I don't think I'll need to back out of this one. I think my condescending attitude towards wishy-washy theists is justified.
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PlanoMM I think we will have to end this discussion and just agree to disagree here because we are beating a dead horse. There is no way you can convince me that your right and the same goes for me. So Lets just move on to other things.
But first I have to ask because I am truly interested here. This isnt an insult to you. How can you say you dont trust science because men are fallible but you do trust the Bible eventhough men are fallible? Men bring us both. Yah ok the easy answer is its God's will. But men are fallible. Those men could have mistaken what God wanted. Look at some of the guys out there mistaking what God wants now.
Anyway great discussion with you. Unless you can think of some other we can each deny or agree the opposite of each other I think its dead. haha
Kai
hey, thanks for the reply. i agree. just because we dont necessarily agree on the debate doesnt mean that we have to be enemies. i happen to think that you are quite inteligent and insightful. so i agree to disagree, lol. besides, were starting to attract the trolls, and frankly, i would rather /ignore them then explain through everything that weve already covered over and over. why people cant just either read the thread or stay out of it, i dont know. durned annoying to have to repeat yourself multiple times because some moron didnt read it.
and as far as your question goes, im not insulted by it at all. in fact, yes, men penned the Bible. however, God penned me heart. i didnt go by what was written in the Bible, i decided to get me answers from the source. now i know im going to lose you here and probably even some christians as well. but like you, i couldnt accept what is written with blind faith. so i talked and prayed to Him for the answers. and whether or not you believe me, He answered me. now i know that some troll is going to quote me and say that that proves that im crazy and that its just me opinion. and thats fine. dont believe me, but you did ask. and up till now, ive left that out of the equation. ive only used what we can see and hear as evidence for creationism. it wasnt good enough, forgive me for saying so, but its your loss, not mine. i mean no offense by that. but i know what believe, im not wavering (not suggesting that you are), so whether you believe in the same God that i do or not, will not effect me in the least. i do hope that that answers your question suffiently.
and i extend the offer of pming me if you wanna talk about anything else. and me offer of friendship, if you want it.
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No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
youre exactly right. wanting to believe in something without proof, doesnt make it so. remind you of anything? btw, werent you the one just complaining about me butting into your convo with someone else? lol, anyway, i didnt actually expect any of you to take me seriously. you just going to have to find your own answers.
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Do you even know what Paschal's Wager is? I have absolutely no problem with theists, I just have problems with theists who use Paschal's Wager. To believe in a higher power "just in case" is pitiful.
So no, I don't think I'll need to back out of this one. I think my condescending attitude towards wishy-washy theists is justified.
actually, im not even the one that used the "Paschal's Wager" in the first place. and me faith in God isnt a "just in case" case. but even if it were, if im right, then atheists are in a bad way. if im wrong, then no one is in a bad way. so why the insults? and your condescending attitude towards anyone is completely unfounded, because youre nobody special. you dont rule anything. all it does is prove that you believe yourself better than others, which is what is "pitiful".
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