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Kriminal99Kriminal99 Member Posts: 377

To shorten my post, let me just say this.  The definitions of exploit, griefing etc used by this company are very non-specific, vague, and completely objective.  You may find yourself getting in trouble for something you thought or you KNOW is perfectly fair just because a gm doesn't like it.  In this sense paying for this game can be a liability.  As such if you do decide you like this game, you might want to limit the amount of time you prepay for.  You may get bored of it in a couple months anyways.

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  • DrumgorDrumgor Member Posts: 48

    Well, I don't know if what Kriminal is totally accurate, but as far as costumer service is concerned I'll have to add my rant.

    I really liked Neocron, it was a really addictive game and the level-treadmill wasn't so bad BUT... One day I attempt to log in at the start of a new month and get this cute message about my account being expired. Doh! But I just got billed 2 days ago! So I email the game's support and ask about it. I'm asked to cancel and then reactivate my account. I'm wondering if that would cause my cc to be billed twice. I get a negative answer so I proceed. A week later I get that cute message again. I do the same process ( I have to admit I didn't ask that time again). A month later I found out that my account got billed again and that I had paid 3 times for a period of 1 month and 9 days. Well, the game is nice but I do not appreciate being lied to or simply, totally ignorant support staff. And no the game is not worth 1 goddamn dollar per day (or $36 for 37 days since that month was February).

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  • AlientAlient Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 315

    I guess things haven't changed much. Don't mess with Fatesender or whatever his name is now (always sounded like a female name to me). They pulled the GMs from people who were following the game early on and of course the GMs were going to be biased towards friends that they met early on before the game even went beta. And most of them all had attitudes way back then ("So what if you have been following the game a year before beta? I've been following for two years before beta. I own you.")

  • Kriminal99Kriminal99 Member Posts: 377

    of course the gms want to be bias... thats like the definition of volunteer- someone doing something for personal reasons (someone whose doing it to inflict their bias on the game rather than be paid)  Its a matter of balance between letting them do enough that they will want to keep doing it and not letting them do anything unfair.  Because god forbid they should just be paid and made to do whatever the company wants them to.. but anyways.

    If all they are doing is welcoming new members and helping people with problems its fine.  But many games make the error of allowing their gms do whatever they want or whatever they want as long as they go with a certain view....  In Neocron there isn't even any view associated with it they just let their gms boss around and mess with their paying customers however they want.  If you mess with a gms friend and they were using exploits to kill you then they tell you "oh thats just the way the game works" If you do anything they consider unfair (meaning you beat one of their "uber" friends in fair combat) then they start threatening you. 

    And all they offer against it is a hollow assertion that the gms are monitored, but the players never see the results of this monitoring and really have no clue what they do.  Really unassuring considering the people in charge have shown the same types of biases that the gms do and gms who have known to do things wrong are still around.... 

    Its just obvious that the people behind this buisness are really naive towards life and they want to run a buisness while trying to keep themselves above their customers by constantly berating them...

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  • Ravnos80Ravnos80 Member UncommonPosts: 47

    Kriminal...you are so full of shit man it's not even funny...I can't figure out why you're still in NC, if indeed you are...if you hate the game leave...leave and don't look back...the only reason you post your baseless accusations here is because it is not now or ever allowed in the NC forums...


    Posted by Odin, Head of International Support
    Anyone posting unfounded accusations against mods/GM's or KK staff will receive a one week ban effective immediately. Second offenses will result in posting privileges being revoked. The amount of frivolous, unbased, unfounded, heard from a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend comments has gotten to be too much of an annoyance. These volunteer mods and gm's work anywhere from 6-10 hours of their day on a volunteer status and don't need the bs that comes from those that hold grudges during the course of their work.

    Any complaints about GM's/mods etc can be filed either through PM with myself or via abuse@neocron.com and will be dealt with internally as it always has been.


    I will garauntee that 99.9% of all accusations made against GM's are full of crap...the problems with GM's were handled some time ago when they removed the right from all but a few GM's to spawn things...most GM's can't do much more than handles problem situations...KK has said for as long as I can remember that GM actions are logged, so this is not a new claim...and I don't understand why people always think some GM who's in game is up to no good...where do you get this faceless claim that GM's are allowed to do whatever it is they please? Again...it's people like you that have caused KK to have to resort to banning people for false accusations...I would guess that you probably have had some run-ins with bans or things of that nature because you wanted to throw out some made up BS at gms or other people

    And the definition for an xploit has not changed as long as I've been around...it's still using any bug or fault in the system to gain an unfair advantage over other players...that has not changed...You're whole paragraph about xploits is so full of bs...makes me wonder what you've been banned for...there's optimizing and then there's "optimzing" (hacks etc) the latter will get you banned...and should get you banned...using terrain is not going to get you banned...but hiding inside of something that is obviously not supposed to be hid in...like "magically" slipping inside a piece of terrain or something like that ...common sense here...the name thing...gms aren't gonna ban some dude who picks a name that a GM has as long as he doesn't impersonate said GM...but if they dude is acting like he's a GM to gain things from unwitting players...then yes...he will get banned and should get banned...powergamers have never been banned from NC...UNLESS they do something they know to be illegal

    All you have done from these posts is become a fear-monger and twist the way things really are to make it sound horrible because you've, obviously, been in trouble with the GM's...I'd guess maybe you've had some bans or possibly even had an account shut down...either way man...saying you like the game is total bull shit...you should leave and find a new game and quit trying to sabatage NC...there are many many people out there who like the game still and have had no problem with anyone from KK...from my xperiences with KK customer service, they're great...anyway...just do yourself a favor and get a new game...try out SW:G...I hear the majority of SPIRIT went over to it...have some friends there now having fun...give it a go...maybe they won't ban you for cheating

    --Dade

  • aquaangelaquaangel Member Posts: 33

    I felt the need to post to counter extremly baseless arguments.


    And this is coming from someone that actually somewhat enjoys the game.

    What Kriminal99 fails to mention is that he quit the game about 4 months ago. He has actually quit a few times and come back.

    The game has changed a lot since then.

    Also you should understand his playstyle.

    He was a PK'er who like his easy kills. In the beginning of NC it was a bit of a gank-a-thon, now there are more risks involved in the game. Risks that some players don't like. They prefer thier lambs to be easy slaughtered.


    The reason is: the customer service is absolutely atrocious. To be honest paying for this game is quite a liability, because you are in great risk of losing your money and will probably end up extremely stressed out.

    Like all mmorpgs if you exploit or you are detrimental to the game you get removed from the game. No Refund. I don't know of any other mmorpg that refunds your cash if you have been an ass in game (note: Kriminal99 was not banned afaik so I am not directing this at him). This is clearly mentioned in your terms of service that you agree to before playing.


    General Attitude Towards Customers: All you have to do is browse through their forums to get the general idea of how they see their customers.

    Some examples prehaps Kriminal? You made the accusations it is up to you to point them out. Make it recent stuff, and if you claim its on the pay forums sections thats ok because I can read them too.


    Now every policy they have shows a deep hatred for their customers, generalizing everyone into the same category and an extremely selfish attitude in a situation where such an attiude should not exist.

    Again can you cite examples to this? I have never seen any such incident.


    GM's: Gms are free to basically do whatever they want.

    A looong time ago. That is certainly not the case now.

    Only KK staff can spawn items and all items are logged. Normal GMs cannot spawn anything at all, likewise with FCs.


    GMs can rollback your character destroying alot of effort put into the game for doing anything they don't want you to.

    You make this sound like "Boo! I'm going to rollback on you!". They only make character rollbacks if there was corrupt character or a problem with the server OR the player requests it (due to bug).

    Again this is no different then any other mmorpg out there. Some have different data backup procedures and you could certainly argue on that.


    GM's have been known throughout the course of the game to spawn items for their friends and give them unfair advantages etc.

    There have been accusations, and those found have been banned. But as I mentioned only top level GMs can spawn stuff now.


    Talking about this on the forum causes them to ban you for a week.

    Part of the rules of the forum is you do not talk about stuff that should be reported to KK. You know this. If you have an issue you should email the exploits or abuse line.


    Most emails sent about gm actions are completely ignored,

    They are not ignored. Prehaps it is only you?


    Exploits: There is no clear definition of an exploit in this game.

    If a GM says its an exploit, you stop doing it. Even if it says elsewhere you can do it. GMs rule is law. Quite simple to follow.


    If you are the type of person who likes to figure out the best way to get ahead in the game (powergamer) you will probably end up banned sooner or later.

    Translation: If you are the sort of person who likes to abuse the game mechanics to get ahead in the game you will be banned sooner or later.

    Which I agree with.


    Anything from ducking behind cover to fight your enemies (aka common sense),

    You cannot be banned for ducking behind cover. Prehaps you would like to expand on that?


    saying anything which the gms decide they don't like on the chat channels, naming yourself something too similar to someone the gms like and consider to be "uber",

    Channel abuse is normally told to stop it. If you stop they leave you alone. Intentionally attempting to pretend to be someone else (normally to steal peoples stuff) like you mention also gets you banned. I am pretty sure this is the same in other games.

    NC has the most liberal attitude when it comes to killing/thieves however you abuse the game mechanics you get spanked.


    basically any type of leveling (of which there are many possible types) other than spending hours on end grinding fighting the same type of mobs.

    This is BS too. As for the CON levelling, it was mentioned it was an exploit for a reason and people were warned not to do it, and are warned when they get caught.


    Normally it just levels over a LONG period of time of playing the game without any effort, and can easily be the last thing to level on a character.

    Exception of a Tank, it is easy to cap CON by levelling and is normally one of the first few to cap. PE would be second on the levelling.


    It is obvious that the people involved with this company completely lack any experience or buisness sense and the their treatment of customers goes farther and farther downhill every month...

    Which makes me wonder when you quit you didn't voice your opinions about customer service? Your big leaving speech is still in the forums for everyone to read, as well as how you used to play the game. You were not liked for your playstyle. Prehaps a different game would be better suited for you.

    .. nothing I can say without sounding like a fanboi, but the game is good. People get bored and leave, game isn't for everyone but it is worth looking at.

  • Mr_SnowMr_Snow Member Posts: 3

    I wouldnt say not to get this game just if you do playon Venus the French server because its not run by reakktor but by alchemetic dreams, it has no corrupt GMs who are paid and its their only or main job to GM on the server it has active Faction councilors whereas on the KK servers theres only like 3 active FCs between the 4 servers.

    Basically its a good solid game but Reakktor are crap at the day to day running of the servers and are equally useless at adding day to day high level content and cant control their GMs.

    GM corruption is extremely bad for example 2 clans on uranus were "testing" the crahn epic gloves giving them major advantages and when this was found out after many months of them having these GM spawned advantages KK upped the weight of them so they cant used not because it was cheating but because it was found out.

    There have been cases of GMs moving clans into op fights so they can get behind runners and turret defenses and of GMs ressurecting clans and threatening bans if they were killed again at outpost fights, oh and the case of Danae who is a KK employee being found afk in an OP underground just after 10 turrets mysteriously disappearing and the first layer of the OP being hacked.

    There are also cases of individuals and clans being kicked from servers at op fights, ie getting a black synchronising screen, reakktor have always maintained that their GMs cant kick anybody from the servers and thats its all lag, while some of it is and people do lag out at OP fights I know that GMs can kick people from the servers because a French GM accidentily kicked my brother and said "Ooops I think I just kicked somebody" on local and my brother got the black sync screen.

    Man their are so many cases of GM abuse its stupid and the fact that if you say anything bad about a GM your banned from the NC forums just shows that they care so little and they just want to keep their friends happy.

    I personally will never play on a reakktor run server until they have paid GMs and even then I will be skeptical as to if anything has really changed.

    As for customer support it basically boils down to this if your account is hacked and looted reakktor tell you your are a lying bastard and that you gave all your stuff to a mate so you can get duplicates, if you lose all your stuff due to a well known backpack bug reakktor tell you you are a lying bastard and you gave all your stuff to a mate to get duplicates.

    Their customers support is sucky and limited to moving you if you happen to be stuck somewhere or changing your faction if you get the faction change bug.

  • aquaangelaquaangel Member Posts: 33


    I wouldnt say not to get this game just if you do playon Venus the French server because its not run by reakktor but by alchemetic dreams,

    Each server has its own quirks as it were. Venus is very different to the other servers. That is correct, and long time players tend to gravitate here as they have powergamed their way through everything and look for something new. Perfectly understandable.

    KK on the other hand have to maintain a number of servers as well as fix the game and deal with getting new business, dealing with publisher. AD have the advantage of just maintaining the server allowing them to focus thier costs elsewhere.


    whereas on the KK servers theres only like 3 active FCs between the 4 servers.

    Your point being? FCs are there to push the storyline along, but it doesn't stop you from creating your own storyline. Pluto server for example has quite a lot of player run events. While policed by the players GMs and FCs all show up.


    equally useless at adding day to day high level content

    Ahh the crux of the argument. Your bored basically. I somewhat agree I personally would of liked to seen quests beyond the epics. Something along the lines of Asherons Call quest system. Such a system allows you to play a storyline without having to deal directly with players. But a lot of players just do these quests for the items (hands up anyone why you got the reveller for the NEXT epic for example?).

    As I said earlier. The game isn't for everyone. Think of it as a war game, with RPG elements in it. There is more then fighting, there is inter clan and faction politics and what effects that has on the game. Actions have reprocussions. Someone accidently kills a runner levelling, 2 hours later whole factions are at war with each other. The large factions don't become large because they have the best fighters, they do so because the heads of the clans are leaders or show leadership qualities.

    There is so much more to this game then what is initally shown.


    KK upped the weight of them so they cant used not because it was cheating but because it was found out.

    I can't comment on the incident because to be honest this is the first I have even heard of it. However KK upped the weight because what they were doing was illegal. The items shouldn't of been in the game. GMs cannot spawn items. I know of another incident where a certain runner found a bug to spawn an epic item that shouldn't be in the game. He attempted to sell them on eBay so KK upped the weight on all the epic items not in game making them worthless. They can track GM actions, but they cannot track items (yet). But changing the items like this stops exploiting in the future.

    Before anyone tries to catch me on a contridiction. Items are not tracked, however GM creation of items are.


    There have been cases of GMs moving clans into op fights so they can get behind runners and turret defenses

    BS. I have never heard of any such instance. Why would they even have to bother to do this? You claim later that they are removing turrets, so why bother to teleport people?


    and of GMs ressurecting clans and threatening bans if they were killed again at outpost fights,

    There was only one such instance and is documented in thier forums. The person had put in a GM request on a problem they had. The GM showed up in the middle of the op war and proceeded to talk to them, they got killed. The GM rezzed them said what they were doing and told people to stop killing them (who at this point had left the op war).


    oh and the case of Danae who is a KK employee being found afk in an OP underground just after 10 turrets mysteriously disappearing and the first layer of the OP being hacked.

    In my personal opinion Danae is extremly honest and one of the most respected GMs by the runners.

    Again this is the first I have heard of this. For a certain time turrets were illegal in the underground and were actively removed by GMs at the time. Maybe that is what you are talking about? That is no longer the issue but there is a known issue of turrets disappearing. If you played the game you would know this.

    First layer hacked? Big deal. Recent patches no one can come into the underground to fight and it was only the first layer.


    There are also cases of individuals and clans being kicked from servers at op fights, ie getting a black synchronising screen, reakktor have always maintained that their GMs cant kick anybody from the servers and thats its all lag,

    GMs can kick people from the server, although they prefer to just teleport disruptive players to Dark Metal zones. Lag is a known issue in op wars, especially large op wars. Black screen sync means you are being telestormed (too many people in the general area). However you basis for saying that GMs kick runners is based on flimsey assumptions.


    Man their are so many cases of GM abuse its stupid and the fact that if you say anything bad about a GM your banned from the NC forums just shows that they care so little

    There are many cases of BASELESS accusations. So many that people get banned for bad mouting without any actual proof. Your examples are such the sort of baseless accusations.


    As for customer support it basically boils down to this if your account is hacked and looted reakktor tell you your are a lying bastard and that you gave all your stuff to a mate so you can get duplicates, if you lose all your stuff due to a well known backpack bug reakktor tell you you are a lying bastard and you gave all your stuff to a mate to get duplicates.

    How long have you been in the game? Orginally KK would rollback a character and recover its items. However people were abusing the system to get free items so they changed thier policy. Not because the don't care but because there were customers in the game who screwed things over for everyone else.


    limited to moving you if you happen to be stuck somewhere or changing your faction if you get the faction change bug.

    GMs do not have the power to move you on a ticket request, only email support (KK employees) can do that. I know this from experience. Your expected to use "/set reset_position 1" or "set kill_self 1" to move yourself. They also do other things, I've had GMs come and respawn vendors who were killed/bugged so myself and others could complete missions.


  • Ravnos80Ravnos80 Member UncommonPosts: 47

    The fact that some people blindly follow in these BASELESS accusations is astounding...KK has taken steps since early retail to make sure that there is no more GM abuse or things of that nature...I have nothing really to add to Snow's post outside of what aquaangel said...I believe they covered everything I could have thought of saying...everything Snow said is so erroneous and mind-numbingly biased and hearsay...so to finish it up...most people who make comments about KK GM corruption are full of shit...they only go on what some dude said to some dude that was passed down from jimbo joe...they ralley behind their friends who were shafted because they didn't see fault in what they did...or some other similar situation along either of those lines...GM's anymore are very good...they tend to even not spawn things on the test server because they don't want to get in trouble...and it really doesn't matter on the test server what you have...Over all most of these accusations stem from early early retail when there were some problems...so, naturally, people automatically want to blame GM's in the current game for happenings they don't understand...it's all a steaming pile of BS

    --Dade

  • FeanFean Member Posts: 1

    The original post in this thread is a typical example of a german powergamer.
    While KK, Neocron, and it's whole german playerbase is probably alike, Kriminal here is the one who carries it outside, because he's a whiner.

    Yes, a whiner. The typical german MMO player is a guy whos parents pay the accounts (mostly 2, because they need mules, or whatever) and who plays ALL day. He has no friends, other than ingame people who he needs to level faster. Whenever anything is getting complicated, they blame it on others, mostly on the company that makes the game, or the game itself. And they don't just tell 1 or 2 friends 'Hey, this sucks, im out.' - No, they run around on message boards across the globe, trying to tell everyone their biased bullshit.

    Not all germans are that retarded though, I am probably one of the better examples ;)

    Oh just a little addition because it just popped in my mind - On the german Neocron boards they found my site, which has a game database aswell, they told everyone to vote Neocron 10, and guess what? about 150 people did it.. I don't give a crap because if 150 people think it's 10, then so be it, but it's another typical german thing..

  • Mr_SnowMr_Snow Member Posts: 3

    Ive had friends leave because of the backpack bug and this is when they were newbs and couldnt be roled back however many weeks ago KK last took a backup.

    When I lost my backpack nearly a year ago KK wouldnt roleback and refused to give me epic stuff even though it showed my character as master and had no items and no other characters.

    When Danae was afk in the UG when the turrets disappeared there were no turrets in that UG but there were turrets in other UGs that were never removed and tbh Ive always thought well of Danae but since then she has refused to explain what she was doing there and that just makes me suspicious.

    Employees can spawn items GMs cant my mistake and there are a suspicious amount of 5 slot items with not constructer name on them floating about in belts dropped by certain people and not that many people constantly delete constructers on 4 char servers.

    And then theres the case of 1 person e-baying unmodded weapons with all maxed stats and e-bayign mc5 multiple mc5 chips on multiple server at the same time.

    I personally have screenshot of how a GM upped the spawn of snakes in the graves when we killed his drone there twice and how he spawned snakes outside the enterence too to try kill us if we left, I dont have screenshots of a full clan just appearing at the top of the soliko ladder but its kind of hard to take screen shots of that sort of thing.

    If you guys want to believe everything KK tells you thats your choice.

     

  • DztructionUKDztructionUK Member Posts: 33

    i would have to agree with aqua angel on this, ive played NC for a while now, coming towards a year, which obviously is not as much as some people, though what i can say is it is the most fun ive had in any other MMO.

    It has a hardcore player base and with such little publicity new players have always seemed to be few and far between.

    As for the banning of people speaking out against the so called corrupt GM's it seems that most of the time the people banned are shouting and swaring in the forums with no proof to support them, causing their rant to be nothing more than a baseless attack on their staff and brought to attention of the game officials in the wrong place (should have been reported via email at the abuse desk).

    my own experiences with the GM's and helpdesk have been positive, promt responces and 3/4 times have been able to help me. it seems what alot of peoples problems are is that they are unable to accept when their own actions have landed them in trouble or in a situation where they cannot be helped.

    -=- NC > SWG :-D -=-

    gank gank gank gank gank...

  • aquaangelaquaangel Member Posts: 33


    Ive had friends leave because of the backpack bug and this is when they were newbs and couldnt be roled back however many weeks ago KK last took a backup.

    If they were newbies they wouldn't of lost much would they? One of the nice things about neocron is at a certain point in the game getting items (except uber rare items) are very easy to get. I remember my first hovertec I lost to PK'ers. I was pretty upset at the time after spending all that time to get it. But now with blueprinting and buying parts from the shops I can replace them for a fraction of the cost.

    If they quit over something so simple they probably were not able for the game anyway.


    When I lost my backpack nearly a year ago KK wouldnt roleback and refused to give me epic stuff even though it showed my character as master and had no items and no other characters.

    You are talking about a problem that happend over a year ago. That aside even if you completed the epics they cannot track the items. For all they know is you sold them.


    When Danae was afk in the UG when the turrets disappeared there were no turrets in that UG but there were turrets in other UGs that were never removed

    I have mentioned already, and if you have a NC account you are welcome to check thier forums. There is a known issue with turrets disappearing for no known reason. It is mentioned in the NC announcement forums. Others have reported the same thing happening.


    but since then she has refused to explain what she was doing there and that just makes me suspicious.

    She has no reason to explain herself. For all you know she could of helped someone and just gone off to get food. Anyway if you followed what went in the game GMs are now no longer appear visible to the general public unless it is an event or they are answering a ticket. Why? Because people would see a GM in a zone and either give them abuse or put two and two together and get twenty-two.


    there are a suspicious amount of 5 slot items with not constructer name on them floating about in belts dropped by certain people

    When a player deletes thier character it removes all reference to them in the game. Kind of annoying but it removes forum posts, cash transactions and thier names from dogtags and items they have created.


    and not that many people constantly delete constructers on 4 char servers.

    I would of thought it would be the opposite as most people would have thier own personal trader crew on the four characters. The fact you point this out means you know full well how this is caused.


    And then theres the case of 1 person e-baying unmodded weapons with all maxed stats and e-bayign mc5 multiple mc5 chips on multiple server at the same time.

    I don't deny there have been corrupt GMs. But those caught have been banned/fired. That is not to say there may be one or more now corrupt. However saying that KK allow this is laughable. They actively try to stop corruption.


    I personally have screenshot of how a GM upped the spawn of snakes in the graves when we killed his drone there twice and how he spawned snakes outside the enterence too to try kill us if we left,

    And I take it you reported them to KK rather then scream on the forums? Does that GM still exist? As GMs have no need for drones it sounds like they were in the middle of testing something and you were interrupting them.


    I dont have screenshots of a full clan just appearing at the top of the soliko ladder but its kind of hard to take screen shots of that sort of thing.

    Sounds more like lag then anything else. Even if a GM did do it would be impossible for them to move a whole clan there. Either way you should report it.


  • PANDEMICPANDEMIC Member Posts: 29

    The game is pretty fun, the company that runs it is...questionable. 

    I started in December of '02, I have 2 full accounts now.  It's basically the same game as it was at retail release, less stable than ever.  I'm talking about crash-to-desktops every 10 minutes, and it's always been like this.  In fact, they actively refuse to debug the client further because they claim to be working on the new version and to debug the old one would be too hard.

    They definately have the "get 'em hooked, keep 'em coming back" formula down, like Las Vegas.

    Still, they've got an excellent foundation with 70% of their work already completed, time will tell whether they can come up with a release version of their code. 

    I vote it 4 stars, 79% approval rating, it gets my monthly game fees.

  • OrganicsOrganics Member Posts: 1

    WARNING - THIS PERSON DOESN'T SEEM TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT TOO WELL

     

    Ok.

    Now having issues with Neocron is one thing, but coming on other forums after being banned from the game forum and screaming at people to never ever play the game, is simply pathetic and childish.

    I've never had any issue with GM's or any other staff in Neocron, probably because I don't act like a prick on the forums, and don't try and exploit etc in-game.  Kriminal, your accusations are, as previously pointed out, completely baseless.  Prove them.  Show screenshots etc.  Until you can and do, you will be named a liar and disbelieved.

    Naming GM's and accusing GM's of corruption is really quite sad you know.  Not like they don't have enough work already without morons like you trashtalking them like a sad little boy who didn't get what he wanted everytime he wanted it.

    You've left the game, go somewhere else.  Go and play SWG, it sounds more like the game for you.  Maybe you can hide your obviously exploiting/cheating ass in the large playerbase.  I'll look for a similar post from you in a few months on this forum again, maybe about SWG or another game.

    Try to avoid this kind of moronic posting in future dear boy, it really does make you look quite stupid.  If you can't prove that things happened, then you have no basis for anything.  The reason I believe that the policy KK had was changed, is because too many idiots kept abusing the system to get free stuff.  Quite rightly, KK changed it.  It's not perfect, but then if people didn't abuse it all the time it wouldn't need to be.

  • Mr_SnowMr_Snow Member Posts: 3

    I was a friend but him and 3 others left because of KKs crappy support and I never said he had rares I just pointed out that that bug hurts newbs more then high level players.

    How would replacing a newbs of like 3 days inventory hurt anybody if you sold all his stuff it would of been worth maybe 60k if he was lucky.

    I wasnt a sniper I was a tank watching the ladders but we have rifle PEs and spies on the walls watching for people approaching the op enterance and I know all about the 500m clipping range that makes pure sniper unviable.

    Danae doesnt owe me a explanation?

    How about a clan that had over 30 members or the community as a whole?

    I never said I presumed she was up to something bad I said that having 10 turrets despawn and finding an afk Kk employee in the UG was suspicious and all the more because she wont explain what she was doing there.

    And tbh finding stuff dropping all artifact in peoples from the same clans belts since I started is very suspicious.

    No GM has the right to kill a player because they are in a bad mood, they are meant to be impartial and fair not pkers or do you dispute that?

    And Im not upset that I didnt get a reply Im pissed that nobody ever gets a reply and the same people are still GMing

    Oh and check the  forums there are 2 people complaining about KK not doing anything and one has a GM witness for his bug yet KK wont do anything how do you defend that amount of support.

  • aquaangelaquaangel Member Posts: 33



    I never said he had rares I just pointed out that that bug hurts newbs more then high level players.

    You implied he would have to dip into a rarepool to get a new item. No matter.


    How would replacing a newbs of like 3 days inventory hurt anybody if you sold all his stuff it would of been worth maybe 60k if he was lucky.

    If they were 3 day old newbies a large percentage of all the server players would of replaced thier stuff for them? This has nearly always been the case. New players are treated quite well starting off in the world.

    Also 3 days they wouldn't even of seen a fraction of the game.


    I wasnt a sniper I was a tank watching the ladders but we have rifle PEs and spies on the walls watching for people approaching the op enterance and I know all about the 500m clipping range that makes pure sniper unviable.

    Only other explanation is they logged in at that location. Pure sniper is quite viable by the way now, but annoying that you can shoot further then the broadcast range.


    I never said I presumed she was up to something bad I said that having 10 turrets despawn and finding an afk Kk employee in the UG was suspicious and all the more because she wont explain what she was doing there.

    You are implying that she had something to do with the turrets vanishing by being there.

    There is a turret issue. See here -> http://neocron.jafc.de/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88440


    And tbh finding stuff dropping all artifact in peoples from the same clans belts since I started is very suspicious.

    As far as I remember the GMs that can spawn items can't spawn artifact items. It came up before about how weapons they were using were doing insane damage. It is thier stats that boosts them. You have screen shots of these artifact items that have dropped? I'd like to see them.

    Also a lot of the complaints I tend to hear are based on things that happened around the release of the game. Is this recent? If you have proof you could certainly tell KK about it.


    No GM has the right to kill a player because they are in a bad mood, they are meant to be impartial and fair not pkers or do you dispute that?

    If they were in a bad mood dying would be the least of your worries. GMs routinely teleport troublemakers to Dark Metal (locked off dungeon, player has to die to leave and leave a belt behind) or to the crystal caves (high level insane mobs). There is no rule about them not killing people who are causing them problems. So getting an upped spawn because you were disturbing a GM seems like the GM was just being friendly and helping you level up.


    Oh and check the forums there are 2 people complaining about KK not doing anything and one has a GM witness for his bug yet KK wont do anything how do you defend that amount of support.

    Wow 2 people out of how many?


  • masterguyvermasterguyver Member Posts: 6

    he is correct. this game is a pos as it is right now. it is the only company that has pushed back it's first add-on many times over the past year, and the only company that pushed back there  pre-order date for it back using the poor excuse of "trying to get a better price for the players" where any player with an i.q can tell this was a bs excuse. Sence they are billing the BDoY addon as the be all end all for the game they have not fixed any of the bugs that have been in the game sence beta, and any other company had fixed in the first 6 mounth.  to give the people an idea of how poorly they run there game. they only have 3 programers total.

     

    also need to add that neocron has the lowers population lvl i have ever seen. in the past 2 mounth of loging on everyday I have seen max is 1,200-1,300 people total split amoung 5 servers, and the lowers was 100-200 amoung 5 servers.

  • MattimeoMattimeo Member Posts: 18

    Neocron as a game isn't too bad I play it and have alot fo fun, but then again I ignore 90% of the idiocy that comes with the rest of the players.

    The community is absolutly awful. most of them are so petty and selfish they can't see past their own Ego's and see what would be good for the game.

    KK as a company is just sad. There's only 2 people from the entire company I have any respect for (one of them is danae). 

     

    I'm respoding to the thread title with this post mostly, but I have to say to most people exactly what I tell my friends, look at their forums, read anything by (name a few names of some of the bigger degenerates) and see if you can deal with 100+ people at a time that are like that. Then imagine that while dealing with those idiots, your game crashed about 10 times in an hour, after you can't reload your gun due to lag. Then have a GM tell you that your dissapeared backpack cannot be restored, and they will not compensate you. That's of course if you keep your LE in. Take it out and it's an ever worse can of worms.

    If you think you deal with all that, on a daily basis, Neocron is for you. So far only one of my friends made it to playing neocron, and canceled before his trial was up.

  • Ravnos80Ravnos80 Member UncommonPosts: 47

    I have to add this...a couple of you guys have posted about multiple crashes within an hour...what do you run in the background while running NC...seeing as NC in it's present state is mostly CPU run, I've found if I have something else running like SETI or anything else that is CPU based I get shit performance and game/system crashes...but when I turn SETI off I don't crash near at all...this game runs wonderfully for me on my system...despite what people want to believe, this is a quite stable game and the majority of problems truely are on the gamers side...though of course no one wants to believe they or their comp can be at fault

  • GurTGurT Member Posts: 2

    Im playing neocron for over a year now and really never had any great bugs or bad GM support.
    And im still having a great deal of fun and seeing a lot of ppl leaving and coming back with posts on the forum neocron is still my MMORPG.

    Just wanted to add my thoughts

    Greetz GurT

  • MattimeoMattimeo Member Posts: 18



    Originally posted by Ravnos80

    I have to add this...a couple of you guys have posted about multiple crashes within an hour...what do you run in the background while running NC...seeing as NC in it's present state is mostly CPU run, I've found if I have something else running like SETI or anything else that is CPU based I get shit performance and game/system crashes...but when I turn SETI off I don't crash near at all...this game runs wonderfully for me on my system...despite what people want to believe, this is a quite stable game and the majority of problems truely are on the gamers side...though of course no one wants to believe they or their comp can be at fault



    I run Winamp and AIM in the background. that's it.

    Not one, none, zero other programs or games on my computer have anywhere near the problems Neocron has. heck, when I played FFXI, I could have AIM yahoo and MSN running, with winamp going with my full 10 gig songlist for an entire 10 hour play session without a hiccup. EVE even lets me do all this in a window while browsing the web (incidentally right now I'm mining while making this post).

    Just a little hint, if no other game or program causes my system to be unstable, guess what the problem is. It's not me.

  • Ravnos80Ravnos80 Member UncommonPosts: 47


    Originally posted by Mattimeo

    I run Winamp and AIM in the background. that's it.
    Not one, none, zero other programs or games on my computer have anywhere near the problems Neocron has. heck, when I played FFXI, I could have AIM yahoo and MSN running, with winamp going with my full 10 gig songlist for an entire 10 hour play session without a hiccup. EVE even lets me do all this in a window while browsing the web (incidentally right now I'm mining while making this post).
    Just a little hint, if no other game or program causes my system to be unstable, guess what the problem is. It's not me.

    plz...reread my post...most games are not as largely based off of the CPU as NC is...but this will change when DoY finally comes out...most games are largely based off of the GPU making it easier to run other things in the background...for xample...winamp can be somewhat of a resource hog...I can't even effectively run BF1942 and use winamp at the same time...


  • aquaangelaquaangel Member Posts: 33


    Originally posted by Mattimeo
    The community is absolutly awful. most of them are so petty and selfish they can't see past their own Ego's and see what would be good for the game.

    I would disagree on this. Each server has thier own playstyle but the community as a whole are decent.

    Pluto for example the community will go out of its way to help new players. You get kitted with newbie gear, you lifts in taxis, you get help levelling or exploring.

    Bare in mind these are geniune newbies. Runners who show up with "Gimme!" attitude are generally ignored.


    he is correct. this game is a pos as it is right now. it is the only company that has pushed back it's first add-on many times over the past year,

    You can now pre-order the Dome of York. If you have active accounts over 3 months currently active you can upgrade 4 accounts for the price of one game with a discount (20 euros).

  • J_MoredreadJ_Moredread Member Posts: 1

    I like the game too. And if i read what some people write, I always ask me how old they are or how they could manage their real life.

    The GM in an OP Fight is something that happens to me too. I opened a ticket, and in the middle of a big fight a GM appears. He start talking with me and than an enemy start shooting at me. The GM ask him to stop several times but he didnt stop so he beam the guy into the city.

    If I would be the GM i would ban such people. The dumbness of some players is unbelievable.

    About the 5 slot weapons: Wake up! There is an very old exploit in the game that allows every conster to build 5 slot weapons in a row. For this reason they didnt need any GM - nearly every constructor I ask knows that bug.

    JM

  • AlientAlient Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 315

    Edited in the attempt to not to offend past friends.

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