No, it's called being an elitist. You don't any counter so you start to act childish in error to null the argument. You're like my sorority sisters back at JU. Even if someone didn't have as much experience as the did, they would get mad like you are now if someone at insight. You haven't disprove anything so I'm not worried. They got mad when someone asked questions or they lacked a counter argument. Before you started calling me Cap, you guys were ducking questions I asked so apparently you guys have no clue about the game you are currently playing.
No, it's called being an elitist. You don't any counter so you start to act childish in error to null the argument. You're like my sorority sisters back at JU. Even if someone didn't have as much experience as the did, they would get mad like you are now if someone at insight. You haven't disprove anything so I'm not worried. They got mad when someone asked questions or they lacked a counter argument. Before you started calling me Cap, you guys were ducking questions I asked so apparently you guys have no clue about the game you are currently playing.
Funny the only other person to use the term to describe those that play DDO as elitist was your alter-ego CaptainRPG.
I love how anytime those that actually play the game and are in the know about how it works are called childish when they disagree with you.
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No, it's called being an elitist. You don't any counter so you start to act childish in error to null the argument. You're like my sorority sisters back at JU. Even if someone didn't have as much experience as the did, they would get mad like you are now if someone at insight. You haven't disprove anything so I'm not worried. They got mad when someone asked questions or they lacked a counter argument. Before you started calling me Cap, you guys were ducking questions I asked so apparently you guys have no clue about the game you are currently playing.
Funny the only other person to use the term to describe those that play DDO as elitist was your alter-ego CaptainRPG.
I love how anytime those that actually play the game and are in the know about how it works are called childish when they disagree with you.
Funny, the only person to pull information out of their butt was we3ester. Whenever those have actual played the game get asked quest about the game, they can't answer one straight question. The reality is, you don't even play DDO, you're just trolling.
He's said many times to look him up in game, and even asked to meet your friend. Of which that was a no show from your friend. He's posted a few times on people that have posted they were on same server as him to look him up for help.
I've seen him post on the DDO forums as well. Your getting mighty desperate in your attempts now. Anything else?
He's said many times to look him up in game, and even asked to meet your friend. Of which that was a no show from your friend. He's posted a few times on people that have posted they were on same server as him to look him up for help. I've seen him post on the DDO forums as well. Your getting mighty desperate in your attempts now. Anything else?
What? Seriously, I didn't understand your sentence at all and this time I didn't have you blocked.
No, it's called being an elitist. You don't any counter so you start to act childish in error to null the argument. You're like my sorority sisters back at JU. Even if someone didn't have as much experience as the did, they would get mad like you are now if someone at insight. You haven't disprove anything so I'm not worried. They got mad when someone asked questions or they lacked a counter argument. Before you started calling me Cap, you guys were ducking questions I asked so apparently you guys have no clue about the game you are currently playing.
Funny the only other person to use the term to describe those that play DDO as elitist was your alter-ego CaptainRPG.
I love how anytime those that actually play the game and are in the know about how it works are called childish when they disagree with you.
Funny, the only person to pull information out of their butt was we3ester. Whenever those have actual played the game get asked quest about the game, they can't answer one straight question. The reality is, you don't even play DDO, you're just trolling.
OMG you really do have a mental imbalance don't you? Just because we all don't start posting stat numbers instantly means that you are the only one that actually knows anything about the game even though you admit you don't even play it. And sorry sucker but I do play the game. Just because I don't waste time posting figures like you do doesn't mean squat. LOL. I guess since we don't go posting that we beat the Titan before it was actually done (like you did) means we don't play huh?
And since you like to post Wiki entries here is one for you: "A troll is a person who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others."
You constantly troll this forum CapLast attempting to cause disruption, you insult those of us that play the game, you post off-topic postings about the PnP game in the Rusty Nail section just because you like to point out that DDO isn't a complete rule by rule translation. You do all of this to provoke reactions from those of us that play.
Don't give me the bull that you are just trying to help potential players "see the light". That is bull. You could do that without replying to almost every thread in this forum counterpointing anything and everything just because you are on some Jihad against DDO and those of us that enjoy the game.
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He's said many times to look him up in game, and even asked to meet your friend. Of which that was a no show from your friend. He's posted a few times on people that have posted they were on same server as him to look him up for help. I've seen him post on the DDO forums as well. Your getting mighty desperate in your attempts now. Anything else?
What? Seriously, I didn't understand your sentence at all and this time I didn't have you blocked.
How much clearer could he be?
As he stated, I have posted my ingame names and have met up with some of the new players that posted in this forum. And as Sevenwind brought up I post on the official forums (which require a game account if I am correct).
Just because you hang around here constantly CapLast and don't actually play the game doesn't mean that everyone else that post here as well are trolls that don't play the game as well.
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Until you start naming some creatures I can't answer your question. And seeing as you could only name two of the immunities that undead creature has show you have limited knowledge.
But thats my whole point!!! You talk about fighters not needing to change weapons, but you cant name how many different immunities, or damage reductions monsters there is!
As for the skeleton immunities.. Which immunities really count when you calculating a hit, which can theortically do the most damage with a melee strike? One of my complaints about this game is; its takes to dang long to chop those skeletons down, compared to their offensive ability. All hits , no damage....
It's pointless BesCirga. CapLast continues to prove over and over again that he doesn't have a clue about this game. Sure he knows about the PnP game, but he clearly doesn't understand how the game works. Anyone that thinks that a fighter doesn't have to worry about swapping weapons based on mob encounters clearly shows his complete lack of even basic DDO knowledge.
Funny last time I asked you proof on how the fighter is better tank than a paladin, you guys got all quite. DDO like it's PnP counter part is based on math. The reason I know so much about this game because game is based on probability, which have you have to produce an argument to refute. That's why I told the last guy to go to DDO.com for legitimate information because you guys aren't any giving anyone here useful or good information. I don't need to play the game to do math. Indeed I can't tell you what the end game is like, but I can tell you the end result of the character based on mechanics of the game. And if you're going to refute please go into detail as to why you can't compare DDO with PnP without giving me a half-assed answer. But since I know most of boys haven't played PnP, I'm not worried about that.
By the way, Bes, aside from your lighthouse post story, your analogy is flawed. A paladin has average strength bonus of +2 and +4 with str enchantment and wielding a war hammer gives you 8 for a total of 12. A Fighter has average strength bonus of +3, +6 at level 12 and +8 with str enchantments and wielding a GreatAxe for 12 gives me a total of 20. Even I suffered -5 DR I'd STILL be doing more damage (15 damage vs. 12 damage) a person using a Warhammer. Even if you added the same enchacnement of both weapons, my Fighter would still be doing more damage. Because you guys are incapable of doing math, you can't see where you're wrong and continue to be wrong in your posts. All you guys can do in this post and every post is make claims with no evidence.
I dont know why you posted that repsond to me, because i dont know what that has to do with anything.
Was it to this you replied to?
<Its was a plain skeleton... there isnt any skeleton knights in lighthouse. I used Warhammer so I bypassed the damage reduction. I have D8+8+2d6 in damage vs the skeletons. i used 7 strikes! You as a level 4 would have maximum d10+9 in damage (with a +3 maul).>
All i did was to compare my level 9 paladin damage vs a level 4 fighters damage, to show you that as a level 4 fighter you need more swings on a CR3 skeleton on elite, then my paladin. And no skeleton in elite quests in DDO has less then 15-20 hit points. they all have around 100.
buttom line is.. i arrested you in a lie, but you have to taken this in over yourself, (no surprise) and stopped the liespewing. This tells me what kinda person your are. Im gonna try in the future, not to respond more to your posts of lies. cya later
SKELETON ONE: Hits to kill: 14 Total Damage: 107 SCREENSHOT
SKELETON TWO: Hits to kill: 14 Total Damage: 111 SCREENSHOT
Test#4 Slashing weapons: +2 holy khopesh of backstabbing & a +1 holy khopesh
SKELETON ONE: Hits to kill: 9 Total Damage: 120 SCREENSHOT
SKELETON TWO: Hits to kill: 10 Total Damage: 136 SCREENSHOT
Average Hits: 8.75 Average Damage: 119.5
I think from there it can be ascertained that there is no level four character that can one-shot one of these skeletons on elite (no level 9 for that matter, either) and that they each have over 100 HP. /rant
Now I'm gonna finish this stupid quest...and then hopefully go to sleep. And no, this did not take half as long as it may seem.
Actually...I'm gonna have to forget sleep for a little while. I need to stop browsing forums...they eat my sleepy time.
Either way...
I hear people knock DDO a lot...funny thing is...not one of the people I have heard knock it have actually tried it. They all *heard* from someone else. I remember shortly after launch a bunch of WoWers and EQers got mad because they could not power level and the level cap was only at 10. That's just sad because I don't understand that instant gratification need for a level every 5-10 min...or the need to skip a game running its course. I want to get up to level 8374284725 NOW so I can kill all the n00bs & be totally UBER!!! That mentality doesn't sit right...but then again I am not a 12-15 year old, nor am I a sex-starved adult male of the same mentality. I am not saying that everyone who plays other MMOs are children or act like them...but there are sooooo many who fall into that category. I am glad that it is rare for a kid to play DDO and I am even more glad that it requires some thinking beyond...uuuh...I pusha dis buddon to makee u die...
I like the traps...the puzzles...the challenges...but all these other games seem to remove the RPG from MMORPG. Not that I think we should speak old English and role-play our characters...not that I am opposed...just hack & slash is so brainless. I have not seen one MMO where it is not the same crap over and over except having the type and level of mob change....until DDO. So y'all say that it appeals to the PnPer or that it left the PC D&D player out of the loop...whatever...I say it is an MMO made for more mature players. Again, I am not saying this means that anyone who plays a different MMO is immature...they all have their redeeming qualities and appeal to different people for different reasons. There is no doubt that DDO has plenty of players...if it were that crappy...if the game was really the issue here...the servers would not be populated as they are. The WoWers, CoV/Hers, and the EQers left for the reasons y'all complain about...the D&D players - both PnP & PC - stayed and show no signs of leaving. The one gripe is that characters are overpowered and do not adhere strictly to 3.5 core rules...those people will stay unless another D&D MMO is made adhering strictly to core rules.
I am not speaking from a lack of experience. I have played both EQ & CoV/H and am currently playing WoW. I just think, for me, DDO takes the cake. I am really tired of hearing people talk sh-- about things. Just because you may not personally like something does not mean it sucks. SERIOUSLY!!! Something simple...like pizza or the color red...does it suddenly suck because you happen to dislike it...or because your "buddy" says it sucks? If your answer is yes, check your head for a brain...because *you* have no bearing on the flow of the universe...you're nobody...just like everyone else.
DDO 100% deserved its award!!! There is nothing like it kicking around. There are 42762562872 EQ clones...I am glad that there is finally something that breaks the mold. Sure DDO needs some work...it's still a new game...but it is upgraded, expanded, and tweaked every month like clockwork...new content...new races...level cap increases...and it doesn't cost us an extra dime. Sure they may come out with a paid expansion one day...but not for a measly two races, a level cap increase, and some new content. What it all boils down to is that a level 12 in DDO would kick a WoW level 70's booty ANYDAY!!! (that last part is a joke...true...but still a joke)
And DDO is definitely not slow-paced...unless you have that instant gratification levelling problem I discussed earlier. They threw in enhancements to appease you people and you have a quarter of DDO players very angry at you for this tainting of the core rules.
Please refrain from flaming at me...chances are I may not drift back here for a very long time...I am funny with forums like that...and I really don't care...I've stated my case.
Personally, I have played DDO. I played in Beta, and decided that there was simply not enough content to warrent paying a monthly fee for when compared to the likes of the no monthly fee games on the market like guild wars.
I personally think what the game does, it does well, the instanced quests being the main part of the game. Yes by definition I guess it would be classed as a mmorpg but when you put it side by side with the likes of all the major pay monthly MMORPGS (WOW, EQ2, EVE etc) the content is very limited.
Only the addition of two things would make me pay monthly for this game;
1) If they added a lot more content in line with the traditional MMORPG'S.
2) Give it what the name suggests it should of had in the first place, a Quest builder where you can build quests and these quests can then be used in game. I can do that with NWN2 and I dont have to pay a monthly fee for it!!
Giving DDO the mmorpg award of the year is a bit of a joke to be honest.
SKELETON ONE: Hits to kill: 14 Total Damage: 107 SCREENSHOT
SKELETON TWO: Hits to kill: 14 Total Damage: 111 SCREENSHOT
Test#4 Slashing weapons: +2 holy khopesh of backstabbing & a +1 holy khopesh
SKELETON ONE: Hits to kill: 9 Total Damage: 120 SCREENSHOT
SKELETON TWO: Hits to kill: 10 Total Damage: 136 SCREENSHOT
Average Hits: 8.75 Average Damage: 119.5
I think from there it can be ascertained that there is no level four character that can one-shot one of these skeletons on elite (no level 9 for that matter, either) and that they each have over 100 HP. /rant
Now I'm gonna finish this stupid quest...and then hopefully go to sleep. And no, this did not take half as long as it may seem.
What little is there is good just not enough of it. I played AD&D growing up have been a big fan all my life and have to say I was more than a little disapointed. How well is this game realy doing? Toontown has a bigger Market share http://www.mmorpgchart.com/Chart7.html
If I had a nickle for everytime that mmorpgchart was posted. I never believed that site and never will until he shows hard facts about numbers rather than assumptions and insider info. For all we know he could be making it up.
Fact is I'll play DDO until I don't find it fun anymore and want to move on. I have never made a decision to play a game based on its population. I could give a rats ass about that chart.
If I had a nickle for everytime that mmorpgchart was posted. I never believed that site and never will until he shows hard facts about numbers rather than assumptions and insider info. For all we know he could be making it up. Fact is I'll play DDO until I don't find it fun anymore and want to move on. I have never made a decision to play a game based on its population. I could give a rats ass about that chart.
I am glad your happy and enjoying it. But that dosn't change the fact that the game is a big disapointment to the majority of D&D fans. Not to say there isnt anything good about DDO theres a lot fo good qualitys there. Just there in to short a suply. I like countles other D&D fans I bought the game and tried it and were disapointed. Personaly I preordered it and have given it a few go arounds since then checking to see if its been improved on.
There countless posts on forums all over the net full of disatisfaction and plenty of people begging for the merging of servers because of low populations. You can even find post by die hard fans asking for this. If it were a healthy game this wouldnt be the case. The only reason for a game this young to have such problems is fairly obvious so argue witht he chart all you want it won't change anything.
I have heard rumors that Turbines plans to sell off DDO after the LOTR launch. Weather or not its true who can say but I for one hope it is true so that someone else might actualy do the D&D name the justice it deserves.
DDO dose prove one thing, a game can not make it on a name alone.
I seriously doubt Turbine will sell DDO. First I have heard of that rumor at any rate. As far as the MMOChart I don't believe those figures can be trusted as anything near fact either.
Put it this way if Turbine thought that they were going to off the game, or if they thought the game was hurting would they really put as much time and effort into the nearly monthly content additions and enhancements?
I agree that a name doesn't make a game. And I agree that DDO didn't do anywhere near what was expected of it, but still to call it a failure would be a overstatement for sure.
I still don't understand these postings of lack of population. The servers feel as populated to me as most any other game. As stated time and again by actual players on here, we usually never have to wait more than a few minutes to group. Heck last night I was even turning down group request on my fighter.
It was destiny that very hardcore pnp players would not be happy with DDO. While turbine has done their best to keep the game faithful to the pnp matieral and rules it just isn't realistic to expect the game to feel exactly the same as the paper game.
But as you put it the game is a big dissapoinment to the majoirty of D&D fans. I don't buy that. Sure as I mentioned above there are hardcore fans that dislike the game, but I don't think you can say "the majority of DnD fans feel this way".
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Funny last time I asked you proof on how the fighter is better tank than a paladin, you guys got all quite. DDO like it's PnP counter part is based on math. The reason I know so much about this game because game is based on probability, which have you have to produce an argument to refute. That's why I told the last guy to go to DDO.com for legitimate information because you guys aren't any giving anyone here useful or good information. I don't need to play the game to do math. Indeed I can't tell you what the end game is like, but I can tell you the end result of the character based on mechanics of the game. And if you're going to refute please go into detail as to why you can't compare DDO with PnP without giving me a half-assed answer. But since I know most of boys haven't played PnP, I'm not worried about that.
By the way, Bes, aside from your lighthouse post story, your analogy is flawed. A paladin has average strength bonus of +2 and +4 with str enchantment and wielding a war hammer gives you 8 for a total of 12. A Fighter has average strength bonus of +3, +6 at level 12 and +8 with str enchantments and wielding a GreatAxe for 12 gives me a total of 20. Even I suffered -5 DR I'd STILL be doing more damage (15 damage vs. 12 damage) a person using a Warhammer. Even if you added the same enchacnement of both weapons, my Fighter would still be doing more damage. Because you guys are incapable of doing math, you can't see where you're wrong and continue to be wrong in your posts. All you guys can do in this post and every post is make claims with no evidence.
First of all: DDO is not Pen & Paper Dungeons & Dragons.
In DDO the Fighter is a better Tank for a couple of reasons that does not apply to D&D (the pen & paper variant that is).
The Fighter Attribute is Strength. The Paladin Attribute is Charisma. As you gain levels the Fighter can increase his Strength where the Paladin can increase his Charisma (Advancement Points are a feature not present in D&D). Aggro is controlled by an algorithm in DDO that factors in various elements, one of which is Damage Caused. On the whole, a Fighter (due to higher Strength and access to Weapon Specialization) will damage more than a Paladin of equal level (I'm disregarding equipment here as a Paladin wielding a +5 Holy sword would of course be more efficient than a Fighter with a standard club).
Next there is the Intimidation Skill (Aggro management). At first glance you'd think that the Paladin won out here, but again the Fighter's Enhancements come to the rescue. The Paladin has strong Aura (and therefore party) boosting powers but the Fighter has a lot of tactical Enhancements that only get better as he gains levels. Plus, with all his Extra Feats he can create a very formidable build.
And for the record: You will need a very powerful weapon and a very high level character to one-hit kill even the Skeletons in the 'Search for the Ancient Daggers' quest if you play it on Elite (making the Quest level 3). I have now replayed that four times and at no time did the Skeleton have less than 90 Hit Points.
First of all: DDO is not Pen & Paper Dungeons & Dragons.
In DDO the Fighter is a better Tank for a couple of reasons that does not apply to D&D (the pen & paper variant that is).
The Fighter Attribute is Strength. The Paladin Attribute is Charisma. As you gain levels the Fighter can increase his Strength where the Paladin can increase his Charisma (Advancement Points are a feature not present in D&D). Aggro is controlled by an algorithm in DDO that factors in various elements, one of which is Damage Caused. On the whole, a Fighter (due to higher Strength and access to Weapon Specialization) will damage more than a Paladin of equal level (I'm disregarding equipment here as a Paladin wielding a +5 Holy sword would of course be more efficient than a Fighter with a standard club).
Next there is the Intimidation Skill (Aggro management). At first glance you'd think that the Paladin won out here, but again the Fighter's Enhancements come to the rescue. The Paladin has strong Aura (and therefore party) boosting powers but the Fighter has a lot of tactical Enhancements that only get better as he gains levels. Plus, with all his Extra Feats he can create a very formidable build.
I stopped by after a couple of day to see what this board was doing and not much has been going on. People really love this game. I'm pretty sure they are playing it so much that they don't have time to stop and post. I didn't bother to read the other post except this one. I stopped here on the post because I thought it was hilarious.
Strength is more dps and means little in terms of aggro unless you have the Paladin and Fighter in the same team battling for aggro. Then Fighter would win out because of his high damage...but DPS does not make you a tank. Tank is a class that can take damage while keeping the enemies at the front. Both the Fighter and Paladin can get access to the same gear and both Fighter and Paladin can enchance their AC through Class Enchancements.
Where the Paladin CLEARLY outdoes the Fighter is SAVES. Side by Side a fighter would steal aggro, but if an evil wizard toss a web spell, fear or a holding spell at the Fighter, he's a done deal. He loses all his benefits from his AC in spell or he loses the ability to attack. (Disagree all you want to, but you know it's true.) Paladin has more of an advantage to save against a spell attacks from an evil character and is immune to fear. In the first 3 levels, the Fighter outdoes the Paladin, but as the Paladin hits level 4, he becomes more of a vital asset as a tank, a boss killer (Smite Evil) and a walking ward that provides AC and higher saves. Not only that, the Paladin comes with heals, buffs and magics that protect against spell damage.
The Fighter is nothing more than a tactician (Rely heavily on general feats) and the class only shines in a high magic campaign were immunity and resistance gear are available. At least in these types of campaigns, the Fighter has a chance to compete with a Paladin in terms of saves. (The only Fighter capable of matching the saves of a Paladin in DDO is a Dwarven Fighter who can get +9 towards all their saves if built right.)
Fighter Pros
- High Strength; thus, contributing to a high AB and damage surpassing DR.
- Good at grabbing the attention of a crowd.
- Good tactician in one on one battles.
- Shines at early levels.
Fighter Cons
- Low Saves (Heavily dependant on resistance and DR items)
- Can't heal himself. (Can't use the heal skill)
- Becomes obscelete at later levels.
- Tactics are ineffective against enemies with higher DC saves.
Paladin Pros
- High Saves through looking good.
- Good at grabbing the attention of huge potential threat.
- Can turn undead.
- Has advantage against fighting evil.
- Can cast buffs and healing spell for himself and others.
- Has immunity to disease and fear.
- Get good benefits from his Charisma based cross-class skills. Can also use heal skill.
Paladin Pros
- A lower Strength score; thus contributing to a lower AB and Damage.
I have acquired 1750 favor so I decided to make a 32 point build human palidan. What a wickedly awesome beast this character has become. I am only lvl 5 but I can already see that at the highest lvls there is not much that this guy can't handle.
My starting stats:
16 Str 12 dex 12 con 8 int 12 wisdom 16 cha
I will be putting all my atribute bonuses into cha as I level
My starting feats were UMD specialization and toughness. My level 3 feat is Kopeshes and 6 will be Mental toughness. Lvl 9 imp crit slashing and lvl 12 improved mental toughness.
With 3 lay hands at lvl 12 I will be able to fully heal 3 times between rests and do pretty darn good dmg. And the bonus is amazing saves and very high AC.
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I love how anytime those that actually play the game and are in the know about how it works are called childish when they disagree with you.
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I love how anytime those that actually play the game and are in the know about how it works are called childish when they disagree with you.
Funny, the only person to pull information out of their butt was we3ester. Whenever those have actual played the game get asked quest about the game, they can't answer one straight question. The reality is, you don't even play DDO, you're just trolling.
He's said many times to look him up in game, and even asked to meet your friend. Of which that was a no show from your friend. He's posted a few times on people that have posted they were on same server as him to look him up for help.
I've seen him post on the DDO forums as well. Your getting mighty desperate in your attempts now. Anything else?
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I love how anytime those that actually play the game and are in the know about how it works are called childish when they disagree with you.
Funny, the only person to pull information out of their butt was we3ester. Whenever those have actual played the game get asked quest about the game, they can't answer one straight question. The reality is, you don't even play DDO, you're just trolling.
OMG you really do have a mental imbalance don't you? Just because we all don't start posting stat numbers instantly means that you are the only one that actually knows anything about the game even though you admit you don't even play it. And sorry sucker but I do play the game. Just because I don't waste time posting figures like you do doesn't mean squat. LOL. I guess since we don't go posting that we beat the Titan before it was actually done (like you did) means we don't play huh?
And since you like to post Wiki entries here is one for you: "A troll is a person who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others."
You constantly troll this forum CapLast attempting to cause disruption, you insult those of us that play the game, you post off-topic postings about the PnP game in the Rusty Nail section just because you like to point out that DDO isn't a complete rule by rule translation. You do all of this to provoke reactions from those of us that play.
Don't give me the bull that you are just trying to help potential players "see the light". That is bull. You could do that without replying to almost every thread in this forum counterpointing anything and everything just because you are on some Jihad against DDO and those of us that enjoy the game.
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How much clearer could he be?
As he stated, I have posted my ingame names and have met up with some of the new players that posted in this forum. And as Sevenwind brought up I post on the official forums (which require a game account if I am correct).
Just because you hang around here constantly CapLast and don't actually play the game doesn't mean that everyone else that post here as well are trolls that don't play the game as well.
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But thats my whole point!!! You talk about fighters not needing to change weapons, but you cant name how many different immunities, or damage reductions monsters there is!
As for the skeleton immunities.. Which immunities really count when you calculating a hit, which can theortically do the most damage with a melee strike? One of my complaints about this game is; its takes to dang long to chop those skeletons down, compared to their offensive ability. All hits , no damage....
It's pointless BesCirga. CapLast continues to prove over and over again that he doesn't have a clue about this game. Sure he knows about the PnP game, but he clearly doesn't understand how the game works. Anyone that thinks that a fighter doesn't have to worry about swapping weapons based on mob encounters clearly shows his complete lack of even basic DDO knowledge.
Funny last time I asked you proof on how the fighter is better tank than a paladin, you guys got all quite. DDO like it's PnP counter part is based on math. The reason I know so much about this game because game is based on probability, which have you have to produce an argument to refute. That's why I told the last guy to go to DDO.com for legitimate information because you guys aren't any giving anyone here useful or good information. I don't need to play the game to do math. Indeed I can't tell you what the end game is like, but I can tell you the end result of the character based on mechanics of the game. And if you're going to refute please go into detail as to why you can't compare DDO with PnP without giving me a half-assed answer. But since I know most of boys haven't played PnP, I'm not worried about that.
By the way, Bes, aside from your lighthouse post story, your analogy is flawed. A paladin has average strength bonus of +2 and +4 with str enchantment and wielding a war hammer gives you 8 for a total of 12. A Fighter has average strength bonus of +3, +6 at level 12 and +8 with str enchantments and wielding a GreatAxe for 12 gives me a total of 20. Even I suffered -5 DR I'd STILL be doing more damage (15 damage vs. 12 damage) a person using a Warhammer. Even if you added the same enchacnement of both weapons, my Fighter would still be doing more damage. Because you guys are incapable of doing math, you can't see where you're wrong and continue to be wrong in your posts. All you guys can do in this post and every post is make claims with no evidence.
I dont know why you posted that repsond to me, because i dont know what that has to do with anything.
Was it to this you replied to?
<Its was a plain skeleton... there isnt any skeleton knights in lighthouse. I used Warhammer so I bypassed the damage reduction. I have D8+8+2d6 in damage vs the skeletons. i used 7 strikes! You as a level 4 would have maximum d10+9 in damage (with a +3 maul).>
All i did was to compare my level 9 paladin damage vs a level 4 fighters damage, to show you that as a level 4 fighter you need more swings on a CR3 skeleton on elite, then my paladin. And no skeleton in elite quests in DDO has less then 15-20 hit points. they all have around 100.
buttom line is.. i arrested you in a lie, but you have to taken this in over yourself, (no surprise) and stopped the liespewing. This tells me what kinda person your are. Im gonna try in the future, not to respond more to your posts of lies. cya later
Yeah, i know Neuronomad....Its kinda sad really.
Let's put an end to this, shall we?
I only have one character that is a true melee class, so we will have to use her as the test dummy.
Her name is Xiara, she lives on Aundair, and she is a 7th level barbarian/2nd level fighter...and a halfling to boot...
Unfortunately she was created before the favor system was implemented. So I have to run our dear little lighthouse quest on hard first.
Let's see how many licks it takes to kill a naked skele in the lighthouse on elite...it's hard to hit just one...but I sure can try...
Test #1
Using the logical weapon choice of a +1 Holy Warhammer of Deception & a +1 Holy Heavy Mace of Power III...she is a dual-wield build after all...
SKELETON ONE: Hits to kill: 6 Total Damage: 107 SCREENSHOT
SKELETON TWO: Hits to kill: 8 Total Damage: 129 SCREENSHOT
Test #2
Using the best weapon I have for the scenario: +2 Holy Maul of Lesser Animal Bane & a barbarian rage
SKELETON ONE: Hits to kill: 4 Total Damage: 111 (glancing blows belong to skele #2)
SKELETON TWO: Hits to kill: 4-5 Total Damage: 135
SCREENSHOT
Test #3 Punching the effers...
SKELETON ONE: Hits to kill: 14 Total Damage: 107 SCREENSHOT
SKELETON TWO: Hits to kill: 14 Total Damage: 111 SCREENSHOT
Test#4 Slashing weapons: +2 holy khopesh of backstabbing & a +1 holy khopesh
SKELETON ONE: Hits to kill: 9 Total Damage: 120 SCREENSHOT
SKELETON TWO: Hits to kill: 10 Total Damage: 136 SCREENSHOT
Average Hits: 8.75 Average Damage: 119.5
I think from there it can be ascertained that there is no level four character that can one-shot one of these skeletons on elite (no level 9 for that matter, either) and that they each have over 100 HP. /rant
Now I'm gonna finish this stupid quest...and then hopefully go to sleep. And no, this did not take half as long as it may seem.
Either way...
I hear people knock DDO a lot...funny thing is...not one of the people I have heard knock it have actually tried it. They all *heard* from someone else. I remember shortly after launch a bunch of WoWers and EQers got mad because they could not power level and the level cap was only at 10. That's just sad because I don't understand that instant gratification need for a level every 5-10 min...or the need to skip a game running its course. I want to get up to level 8374284725 NOW so I can kill all the n00bs & be totally UBER!!! That mentality doesn't sit right...but then again I am not a 12-15 year old, nor am I a sex-starved adult male of the same mentality. I am not saying that everyone who plays other MMOs are children or act like them...but there are sooooo many who fall into that category. I am glad that it is rare for a kid to play DDO and I am even more glad that it requires some thinking beyond...uuuh...I pusha dis buddon to makee u die...
I like the traps...the puzzles...the challenges...but all these other games seem to remove the RPG from MMORPG. Not that I think we should speak old English and role-play our characters...not that I am opposed...just hack & slash is so brainless. I have not seen one MMO where it is not the same crap over and over except having the type and level of mob change....until DDO. So y'all say that it appeals to the PnPer or that it left the PC D&D player out of the loop...whatever...I say it is an MMO made for more mature players. Again, I am not saying this means that anyone who plays a different MMO is immature...they all have their redeeming qualities and appeal to different people for different reasons. There is no doubt that DDO has plenty of players...if it were that crappy...if the game was really the issue here...the servers would not be populated as they are. The WoWers, CoV/Hers, and the EQers left for the reasons y'all complain about...the D&D players - both PnP & PC - stayed and show no signs of leaving. The one gripe is that characters are overpowered and do not adhere strictly to 3.5 core rules...those people will stay unless another D&D MMO is made adhering strictly to core rules.
I am not speaking from a lack of experience. I have played both EQ & CoV/H and am currently playing WoW. I just think, for me, DDO takes the cake. I am really tired of hearing people talk sh-- about things. Just because you may not personally like something does not mean it sucks. SERIOUSLY!!! Something simple...like pizza or the color red...does it suddenly suck because you happen to dislike it...or because your "buddy" says it sucks? If your answer is yes, check your head for a brain...because *you* have no bearing on the flow of the universe...you're nobody...just like everyone else.
DDO 100% deserved its award!!! There is nothing like it kicking around. There are 42762562872 EQ clones...I am glad that there is finally something that breaks the mold. Sure DDO needs some work...it's still a new game...but it is upgraded, expanded, and tweaked every month like clockwork...new content...new races...level cap increases...and it doesn't cost us an extra dime. Sure they may come out with a paid expansion one day...but not for a measly two races, a level cap increase, and some new content. What it all boils down to is that a level 12 in DDO would kick a WoW level 70's booty ANYDAY!!! (that last part is a joke...true...but still a joke)
And DDO is definitely not slow-paced...unless you have that instant gratification levelling problem I discussed earlier. They threw in enhancements to appease you people and you have a quarter of DDO players very angry at you for this tainting of the core rules.
Please refrain from flaming at me...chances are I may not drift back here for a very long time...I am funny with forums like that...and I really don't care...I've stated my case.
Personally, I have played DDO. I played in Beta, and decided that there was simply not enough content to warrent paying a monthly fee for when compared to the likes of the no monthly fee games on the market like guild wars.
I personally think what the game does, it does well, the instanced quests being the main part of the game. Yes by definition I guess it would be classed as a mmorpg but when you put it side by side with the likes of all the major pay monthly MMORPGS (WOW, EQ2, EVE etc) the content is very limited.
Only the addition of two things would make me pay monthly for this game;
1) If they added a lot more content in line with the traditional MMORPG'S.
2) Give it what the name suggests it should of had in the first place, a Quest builder where you can build quests and these quests can then be used in game. I can do that with NWN2 and I dont have to pay a monthly fee for it!!
Giving DDO the mmorpg award of the year is a bit of a joke to be honest.
Nice test!
Thx
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If I had a nickle for everytime that mmorpgchart was posted. I never believed that site and never will until he shows hard facts about numbers rather than assumptions and insider info. For all we know he could be making it up.
Fact is I'll play DDO until I don't find it fun anymore and want to move on. I have never made a decision to play a game based on its population. I could give a rats ass about that chart.
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I am glad your happy and enjoying it. But that dosn't change the fact that the game is a big disapointment to the majority of D&D fans. Not to say there isnt anything good about DDO theres a lot fo good qualitys there. Just there in to short a suply. I like countles other D&D fans I bought the game and tried it and were disapointed. Personaly I preordered it and have given it a few go arounds since then checking to see if its been improved on.
There countless posts on forums all over the net full of disatisfaction and plenty of people begging for the merging of servers because of low populations. You can even find post by die hard fans asking for this. If it were a healthy game this wouldnt be the case. The only reason for a game this young to have such problems is fairly obvious so argue witht he chart all you want it won't change anything.
I have heard rumors that Turbines plans to sell off DDO after the LOTR launch. Weather or not its true who can say but I for one hope it is true so that someone else might actualy do the D&D name the justice it deserves.
DDO dose prove one thing, a game can not make it on a name alone.
Put it this way if Turbine thought that they were going to off the game, or if they thought the game was hurting would they really put as much time and effort into the nearly monthly content additions and enhancements?
I agree that a name doesn't make a game. And I agree that DDO didn't do anywhere near what was expected of it, but still to call it a failure would be a overstatement for sure.
I still don't understand these postings of lack of population. The servers feel as populated to me as most any other game. As stated time and again by actual players on here, we usually never have to wait more than a few minutes to group. Heck last night I was even turning down group request on my fighter.
It was destiny that very hardcore pnp players would not be happy with DDO. While turbine has done their best to keep the game faithful to the pnp matieral and rules it just isn't realistic to expect the game to feel exactly the same as the paper game.
But as you put it the game is a big dissapoinment to the majoirty of D&D fans. I don't buy that. Sure as I mentioned above there are hardcore fans that dislike the game, but I don't think you can say "the majority of DnD fans feel this way".
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In DDO the Fighter is a better Tank for a couple of reasons that does not apply to D&D (the pen & paper variant that is).
The Fighter Attribute is Strength. The Paladin Attribute is Charisma. As you gain levels the Fighter can increase his Strength where the Paladin can increase his Charisma (Advancement Points are a feature not present in D&D). Aggro is controlled by an algorithm in DDO that factors in various elements, one of which is Damage Caused. On the whole, a Fighter (due to higher Strength and access to Weapon Specialization) will damage more than a Paladin of equal level (I'm disregarding equipment here as a Paladin wielding a +5 Holy sword would of course be more efficient than a Fighter with a standard club).
Next there is the Intimidation Skill (Aggro management). At first glance you'd think that the Paladin won out here, but again the Fighter's Enhancements come to the rescue. The Paladin has strong Aura (and therefore party) boosting powers but the Fighter has a lot of tactical Enhancements that only get better as he gains levels. Plus, with all his Extra Feats he can create a very formidable build.
And for the record: You will need a very powerful weapon and a very high level character to one-hit kill even the Skeletons in the 'Search for the Ancient Daggers' quest if you play it on Elite (making the Quest level 3). I have now replayed that four times and at no time did the Skeleton have less than 90 Hit Points.
Strength is more dps and means little in terms of aggro unless you have the Paladin and Fighter in the same team battling for aggro. Then Fighter would win out because of his high damage...but DPS does not make you a tank. Tank is a class that can take damage while keeping the enemies at the front. Both the Fighter and Paladin can get access to the same gear and both Fighter and Paladin can enchance their AC through Class Enchancements.
Where the Paladin CLEARLY outdoes the Fighter is SAVES. Side by Side a fighter would steal aggro, but if an evil wizard toss a web spell, fear or a holding spell at the Fighter, he's a done deal. He loses all his benefits from his AC in spell or he loses the ability to attack. (Disagree all you want to, but you know it's true.) Paladin has more of an advantage to save against a spell attacks from an evil character and is immune to fear. In the first 3 levels, the Fighter outdoes the Paladin, but as the Paladin hits level 4, he becomes more of a vital asset as a tank, a boss killer (Smite Evil) and a walking ward that provides AC and higher saves. Not only that, the Paladin comes with heals, buffs and magics that protect against spell damage.
The Fighter is nothing more than a tactician (Rely heavily on general feats) and the class only shines in a high magic campaign were immunity and resistance gear are available. At least in these types of campaigns, the Fighter has a chance to compete with a Paladin in terms of saves. (The only Fighter capable of matching the saves of a Paladin in DDO is a Dwarven Fighter who can get +9 towards all their saves if built right.)
Fighter Pros
- High Strength; thus, contributing to a high AB and damage surpassing DR.
- Good at grabbing the attention of a crowd.
- Good tactician in one on one battles.
- Shines at early levels.
Fighter Cons
- Low Saves (Heavily dependant on resistance and DR items)
- Can't heal himself. (Can't use the heal skill)
- Becomes obscelete at later levels.
- Tactics are ineffective against enemies with higher DC saves.
Paladin Pros
- High Saves through looking good.
- Good at grabbing the attention of huge potential threat.
- Can turn undead.
- Has advantage against fighting evil.
- Can cast buffs and healing spell for himself and others.
- Has immunity to disease and fear.
- Get good benefits from his Charisma based cross-class skills. Can also use heal skill.
Paladin Pros
- A lower Strength score; thus contributing to a lower AB and Damage.
- No tactics.
- Limited crowd control. (Two-Handed Weapon Fighting)
This hold true in other DnD games like NWN or NWN2. See ya, fellas.
Guess I better make a paladin then so I can one shot them skeletons in the Lighthouse.
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I have acquired 1750 favor so I decided to make a 32 point build human palidan. What a wickedly awesome beast this character has become. I am only lvl 5 but I can already see that at the highest lvls there is not much that this guy can't handle.
My starting stats:
16 Str 12 dex 12 con 8 int 12 wisdom 16 cha
I will be putting all my atribute bonuses into cha as I level
My starting feats were UMD specialization and toughness. My level 3 feat is Kopeshes and 6 will be Mental toughness. Lvl 9 imp crit slashing and lvl 12 improved mental toughness.
With 3 lay hands at lvl 12 I will be able to fully heal 3 times between rests and do pretty darn good dmg. And the bonus is amazing saves and very high AC.
ah ha, I'm not the only one who noticed this. 2007 may not be any better.
It already is, with the release of Vanguard and TBC, two quality titles.Not to mention the up-and-coming big hitters AOC and WAR.
ah ha, I'm not the only one who noticed this. 2007 may not be any better.
It already is, with the release of Vanguard and TBC, two quality titles.Not to mention the up-and-coming big hitters AOC and WAR.
Vanguard, quality game??? That game is half done, probably in a few months, we can call it a quality game, now it is bugy and bad coded.