That's of course genius. Waste tons of money and time in court for something that was a breach in the TOS after admitting he imported american software into China, which I'm sure is a big no-no.
Does no one on this board have a sense of sarcasm?
Hence the at the end.
Nevermind the fact that in the suit, he could ask the judge to have Blizzard pay his court/lawyer fees . . . but whatever
Well I for one don't think you did anything wrong. Since there are a ton of great MMOs coming out in 2007 you can probably find a better experience. Or you could play EVE cause ISK farming, players ripping off other players and exploits are all permitted so nobody will accuse you of doing wrong cause nobody at CCP cares.
i have read the whole ToS on the site and still havent found anything that says you cant play in another country. it also doesnt say anything about it being illegal to import it into china. the ToS also allows on disputes outside of America...i dont understand where people are getting their information even though i just read both agreements in their entirety.
Its in the new ruleset, you are only allowed to play WoW US servers in certain regions, and China is not one of them, hence you were banned.
Yea, but see I live in America, I am a United States Citizen. I bought the game in America, and i played there for months, and months. What pisses me off is they did not understand my situation, what am I supposed to buy wow in china just because I am working there for 3 months? What would I do if I was to come back to America? then I could not play on my chinese account. It would of been nice if they gave me a warning, I would of just not played on it. But they have to instantly ban me.Don't give them anymore money, don't buy another copy, thats what they are trying to get you to do.
Exsactly! Thats prooven fact that Bliz will do anything to suck as much $$$ as they can.
Keeping customer happy??? Whats that? Ah, ok! Here is the deal then: you buy new game copy and we will give you 30 days free. What? Thats the standart deal? Well that was a standart issue....
i have read the whole ToS on the site and still havent found anything that says you cant play in another country. it also doesnt say anything about it being illegal to import it into china. the ToS also allows on disputes outside of America...i dont understand where people are getting their information even though i just read both agreements in their entirety.
I already posted why people think you cannot play in another country. Blizzarrd used to have it on the TOS paragraph (1) under eligibility. They changed it on January 11th to allow people in foreign countries to play. Which is why I asked this guy when exactly he was banned. If what he says is true then it might be possible one of the employees banned him without knowing the new changes. He should appeal it. More plausible however is that there is extenuating circumstances and he was likely banned for botting or something like that.
2- They are not in a position of power, but in a position of requesting; aka they want more subscribtions.
It happen sometimes when a company is too successfull and didn't deserve it.
You should just quit and never buy any product made by Blizzard ever again, until they compensate for their mistake (which will prolly never happen). I did so for Square Enix, and I feel a lot better since.
Blizzard needs you and every players they can get; you don't need Blizzard.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
They are on top and can do what they want. Thier customer disservice is at its worst. Random bannings and worse yet, bannings for stupid stuff.
I had my account hacked, character deleted and all my stuff sold/vendored whatever. I waited 5 weeks to get my character restored and I got NONE on my gear back. I got a crappy set of BoE green items. Apparently Blizzard did this to everyone in the restoration queue as the posts were rampant and all over the forums. ALL got deleted and the posting accounts suspended for 24 hours. After a flurry of emails to Blizzard I was told that "The account specialist recovered all the items/gold they he could for this account".
To the OP at least you got your account back, mine is (and Im thinking tahts a good thing) mostly unplayable.
Blizzard is a company of pure idiots and even worst customer service. If only people, get together against them and they will have no choice but to change their lame and unacceptable behaviour. "The only thing evil men need to prosper is the good men doing nothing."
What's the point in playing an mmorpg if your forced to play on servers that serve a few countries? I have played a ton of mmorpgs and made friends with people from eygpt,japan,england, and dozens of other countries. It's been ages since i played wow and i don't know what they have been doing, but this goes against the whole concept of being able to play and meet with people that you wouldn't otherwise.
I know it sux to have restrictions, but its the catch to have a slightly better security, at the expence of a piece of your freedom. They try to control the botter/farmer problem, but in the process innocent people get hurt becuase of the limitations they pose on your freedom in their game. Sux, I know, its a necessary evil.
Anybody who is willing to give up any freedom for security deserves niether -- i believe that was Franklin. There should be a balance between the two, while having freedom is great, having absolute freedom and no security is as bad as having no freedom and absolute security. No security is called anarchy, where everyone does anything they want, that doesnt work.
Just becuase some guy said something 2 centuries ago doesnt mean we have to follow that blindly.
I work for a network/data company that has a datacenter in china. I was offered to work for a 3 month period overseas in China. I never have really gone to a foreign country for more then a few days, and I was going to get a raise so I took the offer. I basically am one of the managers of the datacenter, I just make sure all the guys under me are doing the right thing and I also sit at a monitoring desk. Pretty much I was surrounded by 4 computer screens, 3 of them were just monitoring the servers, network, etc... The other screen was loaded up with World of Warcraft . I pretty much played whenever I was bored, I have 4 level 60's (I made 2 of them before going over to china) and I even got a friend over in America to buy me a copy of the Burning Crusade, give me the cd key. And with my resources at hand, from work I got the cd's copied to a server in the american datacenter and got it send over a high speed line over to the chinese datacenter, still took a while but I got BC .
So, thats the background story ill tell you what Blizzard did. They banned my account, with 4 level 60's on it. Want to know why? Because they though I was a chinese farmer/powerleveler/whatever... Just because I was on a chinese ip. Not because I exploited the game, not because I cheated, and I am strongly against powerleveling/gold farmers, I report them everytime I see those stupid advertisements in general chat. Pretty much, Blizzard just went over a wild assumption and thought because I was playing in china, that I was a farmer. I emailed blizzard the moment I got the banned account login message. I quickly told them my situation, and offered to get them a copy of my license and passport to prove I was a United States Citizen. I even got my head manager who is a really nice guy that also plays, to send them an email as well. They still kept me banned, even after I gave them proof that the IP I was playing under was of ownership of an American company, with a datacenter in china. They still kept me banned, and I am really pissed. Today is my 2nd day back, I am pretty much done with MMO's, I however am thinking about picking up EVE. I just got back though, have to spend some time with the girlfriend before I dedicated some time to an MMO.
Blizzard is known for having a very sucky customer support, which sucks because they rock at making games.
You obviously missed the changes to the EULA/TOC that specifically stated that only players from 5 nations were permitted to play on US servers. I didn't think they'd actively enforce it, but shows what I know. They probably did this not because they thought you were a gold farmer... but in response to recent changes in Chinese law about how much time players can be allowed (by the game itself) to play each day. Full article here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4183340.stm By actively pursuing players like yourself they can tell the Chinese government that they are doing everything they can to police the community and comply with the new law. I expect the Chinese version of WoW will be modified to accomodate the new rules. Remember, in China, you piss the government off and they can just shut you down...no questions asked... so companies tend to comply with any edicts handed to them.
This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums.
It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line.
Yes, sadly it has nothing to do with the op, his ban or people playing games in china.
Its about Internet Cafes and limiting peoples playtime there!
JESUS!
Just the same as with this comment:
Originally posted by Alekhin
The problem with playing EVE in China is that they have their own server and the OP may have no choice but to play the Chinese server. The OP should wait until he gets back to the states to try EVE.
How comes I have Chinese corp buddys then?
Please people, dont post stuff about china, laws in china or the eve cluster in china if you dont know jack about it.
Someone might get a wrong expression from China and we have enough xenophobes already.
To the OP:
I cant say if you will like EVE but I am sure you will like the community and the developers. The guys from CCP are really a nice bunch.
About this:
Originally posted by CasualGamer
Or you could play EVE cause ISK farming, players ripping off other players and exploits are all permitted so nobody will accuse you of doing wrong cause nobody at CCP cares.
Exactly! You have to take care of yourself. (exploiting the trust of others is allowed, exploiting bugs will get you banned)
The problem with playing EVE in China is that they have their own server and the OP may have no choice but to play the Chinese server. The OP should wait until he gets back to the states to try EVE.
im not in china anymore and I probably will not go back again.
Also for the record I was banned about 5 days ago.
The problem with playing EVE in China is that they have their own server and the OP may have no choice but to play the Chinese server. The OP should wait until he gets back to the states to try EVE.
im not in china anymore and I probably will not go back again.
Also for the record I was banned about 5 days ago. I would get on the phone and talk to a person. Emails have a tendancy to goto underpayed or just stupid people who dont understand.
As posted earlier, the clause saying that you must reside in the givin 5 countries to play has changed and was not present when you were banned. I would seriously reccomend phoning them.
As for everyone who says Blizzard is corrupt and they are just stealing money and being greedy.
I would really like to see how you would deal with such a huge subscriber base. While having to meet projected earnings from their owners Vevindi, who is losing money in all areas aside from their gaming. Its not as easy as when you have 500,000 subscribers in one language, or 10,000 english subscribers.
Blizzard has Millions, you gota expect to lost some people in the paper work when you get that big.
Originally posted by -Rodriguez-
Originally posted by Evolon
Originally posted by Kyleran
You obviously missed the changes to the EULA/TOC that specifically stated that only players from 5 nations were permitted to play on US servers. I didn't think they'd actively enforce it, but shows what I know. They probably did this not because they thought you were a gold farmer... but in response to recent changes in Chinese law about how much time players can be allowed (by the game itself) to play each day. Full article here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4183340.stm By actively pursuing players like yourself they can tell the Chinese government that they are doing everything they can to police the community and comply with the new law. I expect the Chinese version of WoW will be modified to accomodate the new rules. Remember, in China, you piss the government off and they can just shut you down...no questions asked... so companies tend to comply with any edicts handed to them.
This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums.
It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line.
Yes, sadly it has nothing to do with the op, his ban or people playing games in china.
Its about Internet Cafes and limiting peoples playtime there!
JESUS!
As for Rod, before you go shouting your wrong im right. Think.
This has a lot of things to do with it. In china, it is againsed the law to play games like WoW for more than I beleive 4 hours. If he was in China, and he was chinese and playing 10 hours a day. Hes breaking the Law and Blizzard is facilitating it.
Thus, they would ban you for using an American copy (or european), to ensure your using a chinese copy of WoW ,which limits the amount of time your allowed to play each day.
So it is relivant... very relivant to the issue.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
So how long would it take to get 4 new lvl60's ? Maybe two weeks?
I made 2 of the level 60's while in America, over about a 6 month period. Then while working in China in a 3 month period I made 2 more level 60's. Warrior, Druid, Hunter, Rogue.
So how long would it take to get 4 new lvl60's ? Maybe two weeks? If you were playing 10 hours a day and you didnt waste any time, you make level 60 in under 3 weeks. Thats also if your unassisted by other players. 3 weeks per each 60 = 12 weeks. Plus the time it takes to get epics often amounts to more then the time it takes to get to 60.
3-4 months worth of lost progress isnt something to scoff at.
You obviously missed the changes to the EULA/TOC that specifically stated that only players from 5 nations were permitted to play on US servers. I didn't think they'd actively enforce it, but shows what I know. They probably did this not because they thought you were a gold farmer... but in response to recent changes in Chinese law about how much time players can be allowed (by the game itself) to play each day. Full article here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4183340.stm By actively pursuing players like yourself they can tell the Chinese government that they are doing everything they can to police the community and comply with the new law. I expect the Chinese version of WoW will be modified to accomodate the new rules. Remember, in China, you piss the government off and they can just shut you down...no questions asked... so companies tend to comply with any edicts handed to them.
This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums.
It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line.
Yes, sadly it has nothing to do with the op, his ban or people playing games in china.
Its about Internet Cafes and limiting peoples playtime there!
JESUS!
Just the same as with this comment:
Originally posted by Alekhin
The problem with playing EVE in China is that they have their own server and the OP may have no choice but to play the Chinese server. The OP should wait until he gets back to the states to try EVE.
How comes I have Chinese corp buddys then?
Please people, dont post stuff about china, laws in china or the eve cluster in china if you dont know jack about it.
Someone might get a wrong expression from China and we have enough xenophobes already.
To the OP:
I cant say if you will like EVE but I am sure you will like the community and the developers. The guys from CCP are really a nice bunch.
About this:
Originally posted by CasualGamer
Or you could play EVE cause ISK farming, players ripping off other players and exploits are all permitted so nobody will accuse you of doing wrong cause nobody at CCP cares.
Exactly! You have to take care of yourself. (exploiting the trust of others is allowed, exploiting bugs will get you banned)
" Please people, dont post stuff about china, laws in china or the eve cluster in china if you dont know jack about it.
Someone might get a wrong expression from China and we have enough xenophobes already."
Wrong impression? You mean like their whole society is based on a failed ideology? Or that ther human rights record might be somewhat suspect? Or dare we be foolish enough to believe the reports of their weapons of mass destruction? No... I'm just worried they're going to kill my GPS satellites depriving me of my ability to navigate in Boston.
We're not wary of China because it's a foreign country, we're wary of China because its a tolitarian regime, based on a failed ideology, an ideology that fails to take into consideration human nature, a government that doesn't allow dissent and oppresses freedom and liberty for their own citizens and their neighbors (as much as they can). Not to mention their propensity for selling missile and nuclear technology to some other less-than-ideal states (Iran, North Korea, Pakistan...). Don't assume that the only reason Americans or Europeans or anyone would only be wary of China because of xenophobia.
Quite honestly, you should be fired from your job for playing WoW when you were being paid to work. Would you be posting here if that happened about how unfair THAT was too?
Its in the new ruleset, you are only allowed to play WoW US servers in certain regions, and China is not one of them, hence you were banned.
That is so freaking stupid. I swear sometimes I hate MMO's and their respected companies. due to a law in china.. please read the forum and know what your talking about before you post with such "strong" comments
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
Originally posted by lobes Quite honestly, you should be fired from your job for playing WoW when you were being paid to work. Would you be posting here if that happened about how unfair THAT was too?
sanctimoniousadjective- excessively or hypocritically pious; "a sickening sanctimonious smile", feigning piety or righteousness.
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Does no one on this board have a sense of sarcasm?
Hence the
Nevermind the fact that in the suit, he could ask the judge to have Blizzard pay his court/lawyer fees . . . but whatever
Exsactly! Thats prooven fact that Bliz will do anything to suck as much $$$ as they can.
Keeping customer happy??? Whats that? Ah, ok! Here is the deal then: you buy new game copy and we will give you 30 days free. What? Thats the standart deal? Well that was a standart issue....
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"Life is not judged by the breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away."
Step up right folks, we have a leader so far in the Space Cadet Illogical Analogy prize of 2007.
I guess Blizzard forget that:
1- You are a customer.
2- They are not in a position of power, but in a position of requesting; aka they want more subscribtions.
It happen sometimes when a company is too successfull and didn't deserve it.
You should just quit and never buy any product made by Blizzard ever again, until they compensate for their mistake (which will prolly never happen). I did so for Square Enix, and I feel a lot better since.
Blizzard needs you and every players they can get; you don't need Blizzard.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Blizzard IS the new Verant.
They are on top and can do what they want. Thier customer disservice is at its worst. Random bannings and worse yet, bannings for stupid stuff.
I had my account hacked, character deleted and all my stuff sold/vendored whatever. I waited 5 weeks to get my character restored and I got NONE on my gear back. I got a crappy set of BoE green items. Apparently Blizzard did this to everyone in the restoration queue as the posts were rampant and all over the forums. ALL got deleted and the posting accounts suspended for 24 hours. After a flurry of emails to Blizzard I was told that "The account specialist recovered all the items/gold they he could for this account".
To the OP at least you got your account back, mine is (and Im thinking tahts a good thing) mostly unplayable.
Wink
I hate that quote. Its silly. I give up my right to kill another man, so I can have the security of knowing that I wont be killed randomly.
I give up my freedom to sell drugs, so I know that other people wont, and it will keep where I live safer.
You cant have security without taking away freedom. To say that by attempting to provide or receive protection you dont deserve it.. is asaine.
the outlaw of psychoactive substances is what makes my neighborhood unsafe to live in.
playing eq2 and two worlds
Anybody who is willing to give up any freedom for security deserves niether -- i believe that was Franklin. There should be a balance between the two, while having freedom is great, having absolute freedom and no security is as bad as having no freedom and absolute security. No security is called anarchy, where everyone does anything they want, that doesnt work.
Just becuase some guy said something 2 centuries ago doesnt mean we have to follow that blindly.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line.
Yes, sadly it has nothing to do with the op, his ban or people playing games in china.
Its about Internet Cafes and limiting peoples playtime there!
JESUS!
Just the same as with this comment: How comes I have Chinese corp buddys then?
Please people, dont post stuff about china, laws in china or the eve cluster in china if you dont know jack about it.
Someone might get a wrong expression from China and we have enough xenophobes already.
To the OP:
I cant say if you will like EVE but I am sure you will like the community and the developers. The guys from CCP are really a nice bunch.
About this: Exactly! You have to take care of yourself. (exploiting the trust of others is allowed, exploiting bugs will get you banned)
Also for the record I was banned about 5 days ago.
Also for the record I was banned about 5 days ago. I would get on the phone and talk to a person. Emails have a tendancy to goto underpayed or just stupid people who dont understand.
As posted earlier, the clause saying that you must reside in the givin 5 countries to play has changed and was not present when you were banned. I would seriously reccomend phoning them.
As for everyone who says Blizzard is corrupt and they are just stealing money and being greedy.
I would really like to see how you would deal with such a huge subscriber base. While having to meet projected earnings from their owners Vevindi, who is losing money in all areas aside from their gaming. Its not as easy as when you have 500,000 subscribers in one language, or 10,000 english subscribers.
Blizzard has Millions, you gota expect to lost some people in the paper work when you get that big.
This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums.
It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line.
Yes, sadly it has nothing to do with the op, his ban or people playing games in china.
Its about Internet Cafes and limiting peoples playtime there!
JESUS!
As for Rod, before you go shouting your wrong im right. Think.
This has a lot of things to do with it. In china, it is againsed the law to play games like WoW for more than I beleive 4 hours. If he was in China, and he was chinese and playing 10 hours a day. Hes breaking the Law and Blizzard is facilitating it.
Thus, they would ban you for using an American copy (or european), to ensure your using a chinese copy of WoW ,which limits the amount of time your allowed to play each day.
So it is relivant... very relivant to the issue.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
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"Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb." -- Batman
I made 2 of the level 60's while in America, over about a 6 month period. Then while working in China in a 3 month period I made 2 more level 60's. Warrior, Druid, Hunter, Rogue.
3-4 months worth of lost progress isnt something to scoff at.
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It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line.
Yes, sadly it has nothing to do with the op, his ban or people playing games in china.
Its about Internet Cafes and limiting peoples playtime there!
JESUS!
Just the same as with this comment: How comes I have Chinese corp buddys then?
Please people, dont post stuff about china, laws in china or the eve cluster in china if you dont know jack about it.
Someone might get a wrong expression from China and we have enough xenophobes already.
To the OP:
I cant say if you will like EVE but I am sure you will like the community and the developers. The guys from CCP are really a nice bunch.
About this:
Originally posted by CasualGamer
Or you could play EVE cause ISK farming, players ripping off other players and exploits are all permitted so nobody will accuse you of doing wrong cause nobody at CCP cares.
Exactly! You have to take care of yourself. (exploiting the trust of others is allowed, exploiting bugs will get you banned)
" Please people, dont post stuff about china, laws in china or the eve cluster in china if you dont know jack about it.
Someone might get a wrong expression from China and we have enough xenophobes already."
Wrong impression? You mean like their whole society is based on a failed ideology? Or that ther human rights record might be somewhat suspect? Or dare we be foolish enough to believe the reports of their weapons of mass destruction? No... I'm just worried they're going to kill my GPS satellites depriving me of my ability to navigate in Boston.
We're not wary of China because it's a foreign country, we're wary of China because its a tolitarian regime, based on a failed ideology, an ideology that fails to take into consideration human nature, a government that doesn't allow dissent and oppresses freedom and liberty for their own citizens and their neighbors (as much as they can). Not to mention their propensity for selling missile and nuclear technology to some other less-than-ideal states (Iran, North Korea, Pakistan...). Don't assume that the only reason Americans or Europeans or anyone would only be wary of China because of xenophobia.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
sanctimonious adjective- excessively or hypocritically pious; "a sickening sanctimonious smile", feigning piety or righteousness.