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Would you classify AoC as a "3rd generation" mmorpg?
SWGforreva
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My definiton of 3rd generation is Age of Conan; a totally different kind fo mmo that will, if i may, "evolve" mmos if succesful..Combat is totally different, spell casting is totally different, formation combat is something never heard of, same as physics-based mounted combat; the faster you go the more dmg you do..thatss what i call a advanced or "3rd generation" mmo..oh yea and DX10 or mind blowing graphics with lots of blood too!
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That was my quote taken from another post in the Vanguard forums, i was arguing that Vanguard is indeed not "3rd generation" due to all its similar traits of previous mmos like EQ..I'am currently playing Vanguard its not that bad, but once agian its nothing new or special like AoC will be..
BTw the thread is "can anyone say eq2.5?" in the Vanguard forums..
Back on the topic though, would you classify AoC as a 3rd generation mmorpg, that will break precedent over the founder of mordern, 2nd generation mmorpgs, eq1?
When you make your assesment consider this: Every modern mmorpg following eq1 has had 1 of underlying game mechanic repeated over and over to freaking death and that is the COMBAT SYSTEM..i would dare to say that this mechanic is one of the most important features in the game, right? The dreaded auto attack has been seen in every mmorpg, AoC on the other hand is starting from scartch, with a entierly new combat system..is this enough to make it truly "3rd generation"?
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Hemingway
Are the graphics better than previous MMORPGs? If they are, then certainly that's an advancement and you can put that in the column for your argument that's it's a "3rd" generation MMORPG. Better graphics in terms of pixel shaders, resolution, etc., that's a pretty quantifiable subject.
Is the combat BETTER that previous MMORPGs? It's somewhat different. Many players may be looking forward to the combat system and it may prove quite popular. But that makes it more of a preference, than simply something that's objectively better or more advanced than it's predessors. Certainly it's not the first MMORPG to come along with twitchy combat (UO and AC1 come to mind). IMO, the combat feature doesn't necessarly put it into the 3rd generation category, although it may be an innovative accomplishment if the developers do it well.
Personally, for a game to enter the "3rd generation" category for me, it's going to be about giving players unprecedented ability to affect the world they play in. Nothing short of that, not better graphics, nor twitchier combat systems, will do. I'm already playing Battlefield 2142 and it doesn't get any twitchier than that, but that doesn't make the game feel 3rd generation. I want to see a really well done Shadowbane, that isn't buggy and doesn't look crappy, where players can shape the world, not just do static quests that don't actually change anything.
You hit the nail on the head about Vanguard. The only thing even remotely 3rd generation is the Diplomacy feature, because supposedly at higher levels it can affect the game world.
Perhaps AoC has some features like this too?
Everything about the game sounds 3rd generation. It is like Shadowbane, without the griefing. Someone can't come along and kill you or be waiting in your city to kill you once an ultra-rare item drops and you turn to port to home... only to see the "tunnel of love" and all your loot gone. Can't wait to get my paws on this game.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
yes yes and wait yes again this game marks amajor advancements in almost all the area of a game
this game will eb huge and i just cant wait...
3rd generation doen't mean advancement. It simply means the next generation of games. If 3rd gereration means "ground greaking", "inovative" and such, then there is yet to be 2nd generation MMO and how could you have a 3rd without first having a 2nd?
And haven't we been on the 3rd gen kick for a while now? So when does 4th gen kick in?
look i knwo peopel will disagree with me but this se how i see it
DAoC and EQ1 (just useing a few from a demo) first gen
EQ2 WOW D&DO and SWG second gen the took steps away from the first gen graphicly and gameplay wise
now games like AOC PoTBS and GNHs are thrid gen these games show new ideas and new gameplay grapicly they are the top (for now) and they arnt just humans and orcs and elfs. new PVP thoughts and new PVE ideas
but thats how i see it so i really dont care if you post on here on flame me about how i think it is set up
its my mind stay out of it!
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
I'd say 4th myself, with EQ and UO being the first gen,
AO, AC/AC2, DAOC, Shadowbane, and others that have failed, being 2nd gen
SWG is either the end of second or beginning of third... like beginning of third
EQ2/WoW/EVE/DDO/ect being third
Vanguard is like a 3rd gen game coming out during the 4th gen, those being
WAR/AoC/STO/etc LotR is like the first 4th gen and most like the 3rd gen of the lot...
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
It has the potential to be "next gen". (whatever measure you use)
Will they pull it off?
Maybe... But i have my reserve on that, especially when i see the place that raiding will have in a supposedly PvP oriented game.
What deserves to be done, deserves to be "well" done...
What you mean little or nothing to do with PvP?
Now if you talk about SIEGING, thats another matter...
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
Yay someone who understands what the term means.
Let me just point out that people say the same sorts of things about every new game in development. It's groundbreaking! It's innovative! It's the next gen in mmorpgs!
Every damn time.
And people get excited about a game in development and let themselves believe what they want to believe about it. PvPers think it will be a PvP heaven. PvEers think it will be a PvE heaven. Crafters think it will be just exactly what they've been waiting for, etc.
My advise is to not let yourself get so caught up in your anticipation of the game that you get your hopes up unrealistically high.
3rd gen? It doesn't seem like it to me. Maybe the combat system will be something different than usual. I don't know I'm not in beta. Being different maybe it will be better...and maybe not.
But overall it seems pretty much like the standard issue mmorpg. You go out and kill things to gain levels and loot. You reach high levels and you go on raids for loot (don't say you won't because they have said that PvE raiding will be part of the game). And if you want you can go to the designated PvP area to fight with other players.
For what it is it may be a really great game. But don't expect it to be some revolutionary new thing. As far as I can see it follows the standard formula.
Well lets see:
Raiding is only one source of high end loot, and its not necessarily the best either. No one has to go on raids, its simply one of several viable options.
The "designated PvP area" is where your guild's city is located, which you must defend or end up losing it.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Yeah, Aelfinn, I know that you and Sturmrabe have this theory that the AoC devs will put in raid content and then somehow magically forget to give people a motivation to sit through raids.
I guess I'm just cynical about this sort of thing because it seems highly unlikely to me. That's exactly what I mean about people believing what they want to believe about a game in development. Your theory sounds nice but is extremely tenuous at best. Like the shreds of a nice dream when you wake up in the morning. You try to hang onto it but it slips away. Your theory is made of falling stars and the smoke from blown out birthday candles...in other words it's just wishfull thinking.
We had that long debate about this in another thread. I don't know why you guys can't just accept the fact that PvE raiding is in AoC and it will matter. Raiding in AoC will fill exactly the same role as it fills in every other game that has it...an ungodly timesink to keep max level characters busy. And there has to be something to motivate people to sit through the ungodly timesink, otherwise there would be no point in the devs creating the raid content in the first place.
Of course there must be an incentive, and there is a significant one that fits in perfectly with mine and Sturmrabe's "theory". Incidently, this "theory" is a hell of a lot more popular than just two people, we just happen to be rather vocal about it on these boards.
Quite simply, that grabbing loot from a raid is a faster and/or cheaper way to get top end gear without crafting it yourself or paying someone to craft it, or for that matter, praying for the ultra rare drop that comes from the extremely difficult small group/solo PvE encounters. This of course is assuming that AoC raids are two to three hour affairs, like the devs have said they will be.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Well i respect your opinon, and that is definelty a opinon..I know you cant quite grasp the idea of this game being unique and very different from other mmos released so far..lets name a few top of the line mmo's: World of Warcraft, typical mmo, same combat, same end game, same ai..nothing there right? basically a carbon copy of EQ but a dumbed down version..But like i said agian when i look at a game, almost any game, i feel the most important game mechanic is COMBAT, and i would like you to recognize that as the most important aspect of the game..
Now when we look back at these other mmo's, usually following the mmo EQ, they follow exaclty the same turn-based(or watever u want to call it) EvE: online, WoW, EQ2, the recently released Vanguard, SWG, and Matrix online. Now here AoC comes along, and guess what? It has totally different combat? right? what other mmo has a 6 point-bushido based combat system? name one.......And what other mmo also has a different spell casting system? AoC has something never head of, spellweaving...what other mmo has that? Combat itself in AoC is original and has never been done before, to my knowledge.
Wait wait, im not finished yet..What other mmo has formation combat? where you can create a group, have a banner holder leading your formation that can change your formations position ( bunched up, spread out, line)? name one.............And the last aspect of combat that is changed, mounted combat..Has any other mmo up to date created a physics-based mounted combat system, where the faster you go on your mount the more dmg is inflicted, this is has to be done with perfect timing and actual aim ( or something called skill) ...name one....
prove me wrong and then say this is another mmo that follows "the standard mmo formula" as you said..
Yea, this game is the begining of next gen; whatever gen it is. I would prob say 3rd gen.
playing eq2 and two worlds
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playing eq2 and two worlds
I would say that it is 2nd generation:
1st generation: MUDs, UO and other 2D games.
2nd generation: EQ, EQ2, DAoC, AC, AC2, AO, CoH/V, GW, WoW... etc. 3D games that are based to developer created content (quest, world, classes and levels) and user have very limited ways to create own content. Normally they have classes, levels and holy trinity combat systems. Game's communities are game oriented.
3rd generation: EvE, Original SWG, Roma Victor... etc. Players have more ways to create own content. Game's communities are still game oriented, but sometimes they expand beyond game world. Players are major content producers, but player created content is limited by developer created content and game mechanism. Players may control game area, modify game area, most of items are produced by players and character development is free.
4th generation: Second Life, Habbo Hotel,... etc. These are not anymore "games" - they are virtual meeting places for different kind users.
"I know I said this was my last post, but you my friend are a idiotic moron." -Shadow4482
2. gen: graphical MMORPGs
3. gen: true 3D MMOs (you cant have true 3D in a flat screen)
This is one way to look at it. Here 3. gen would mean something like startrek holodecks
Generation
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A generation can refer to stages of successive improvement in the development of a technology such as the internal combustion engine, or successive iterations of products with planned obsolescence, such as video game consoles or mobile phones.
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There it is right there..