3rd gen? 2nd gen maybe .... Personally I think all the games have been the same old game with different graphics since EQ went live.
UO , Pre-CU SWG, and EVE-Online are the only games that have stepped outside the box, but they've all got their own fault that kept them from turning into cash cows.
"3rd generation, or anything going into a ascending order usually means advancement..now plz enlighten and tell me what Vanguard has done to take mmos to the next lvl? Diplomacy, ok thats a start? No instances, impressive.. Thats it? My definiton of 3rd generation is Age of Conan; a totally different kind fo mmo that will, if i may, "evolve" mmos if succesful..Combat is totally different, spell casting is totally different, formation combat is something never heard of, same as physics-based mounted combat; the faster you go the more dmg you do..thatss what i call a advanced or "3rd generation" mmo..oh yea and DX10 or mind blowing graphics with lots of blood too!" That was my quote taken from another post in the Vanguard forums, i was arguing that Vanguard is indeed not "3rd generation" due to all its similar traits of previous mmos like EQ..I'am currently playing Vanguard its not that bad, but once agian its nothing new or special like AoC will be.. BTw the thread is "can anyone say eq2.5?" in the Vanguard forums..
Back on the topic though, would you classify AoC as a 3rd generation mmorpg, that will break precedent over the founder of mordern, 2nd generation mmorpgs, eq1? When you make your assesment consider this: Every modern mmorpg following eq1 has had 1 of underlying game mechanic repeated over and over to freaking death and that is the COMBAT SYSTEM..i would dare to say that this mechanic is one of the most important features in the game, right? The dreaded auto attack has been seen in every mmorpg, AoC on the other hand is starting from scartch, with a entierly new combat system..is this enough to make it truly "3rd generation"?
Kinda hard to really say whether or not AOC is going to be a next gen game yet.
Here's why. at least in my opinion. I have been gaming for some 25 years or so. The things that we are seeing today, apart from being gussied up a bit with pretty graphics and sound, aren't all that different from the games of 20 years ago. Actually, with so much being spent on the graphics and sound effects I would hazzard the flames from the kiddies in saying that games today (mmorpgs included) have little of the depth of the games that I was playing on my commodore 64 or apple.
Across different genres there are improvements being made. Gears of War, for example, sets a new bar for AI as does Relic's Company of Heroes and Dawn of War games. Is that enough to be labeled next gen? Very possibly especially if others even attempt to bring the intellect of thier computer controlled opponents up that level.
Instancing was considered a step forward just a couple years ago. Going backwards isnt impressive in the least, it's not like no other games have provided a huge gameworld free of instanced zones. Dark and Light for example did just this yet is universally recieved as a horrible excuse for a game. EQ1, Ultima Online, The Realm etc were all done without instancing.
Can Age of Conan be a next gen mmorpg? I dunno. There is alot there that is interesting but rather than being a traditional mmorpg it seems to be more in line with an mmo action rpg. I do not consider Diablo, its successor, nor any of the handful of clones to be rpgs. And The Elder Scrolls series kinda stradles the two. Which Age of Conan seems to be more like. It all depends on whether or not they bring anything really new to the table. Not somethign ripped from games 10 or 20 years old but actually something new and engrossing and this we wont know for several months at the very earliest. They have a nice gimmick and a great gameworld to play with that much is evident.
One last thing, eq1 could never, except by sony, be considered a 2nd gen mmorpg. WoW, EQ2, DAOC, SWG, Vanguard etc might be 2nd gen but again, none of them apart from DAOC and SWG brought anything new to the table, and Sony stripped all that coulda made SWG 2nd gen out of the game.
Conan? Scharzenegger? Please i dont think his image sells much anymore.. I dont think he sells much anymore wth did they do this game. the movie is OOOLD. There are so much gooder licenses and they choose to make this pos. Think about it, how many ppl have seen conan and how many have seen oceans 12, davinci code or star wars. Too bad i like funcom but this was a wrong move by them and their gonna regret it, their near the pit and at risk.
hahahahahha Conan? Scharzenegger? Please i dont think his image sells much anymore.. I dont think he sells much anymore wth did they do this game. the movie is OOOLD. There are so much gooder licenses and they choose to make this pos. Think about it, how many ppl have seen conan and how many have seen oceans 12, davinci code or star wars. Too bad i like funcom but this was a wrong move by them and their gonna regret it, their near the pit and at risk.
Since you seem to think this game is based on the movie and not the books, and you think "oceans 12" would be a better license for a mmo ?? Why dont you go work at funcom? OH ohh my bad, i forgot..your only like what 10 years old? wow, im glad you wont play this game might be a bit too graphic for ya
We have all heard Neandertals naysaying haterisms...
But every MMO has SOME consistancies, but some at least TRY new mechanics (AO=instancing, AC2=respec, SB=sieges, etcetc) and AoC has several...
I prefer to think of myself as the voice of reason.
What did I say that was so terribly hateful? Because I told people not to get their hopes up unrealistically high? Because I mentioned that the game will have PvE raiding? Or was it because I didn't jump on the "3rd generation" bandwagon?
Was I being hatefull when I said that it seems to follow the standard formula for mmorpgs? But it does...doesn't it? If you look at the overall structure of the game and not at the fine details then how will it really be all that different from WoW, for example? I'm talking about the broad overview here. Go kill things for levels and loot in a static world. Go on raids. PvP area segregated from PvE areas.
Ok, now when you get into finer detail there will be a lot of difference. Graphics of course. Maybe the combat system really will be something new and better and if it is I will applaud them for that. But we don't really know for sure yet and AoC wouldn't be the first game to promise a revolutionary new combat system and then players discover that it doesn't live up to the hype.
Also AoC will have guild owned cities and that might be cool but it's not exactly a new thing in mmorpgs. Oh, and by the way the guild cities are NOT in the PvP area as someone said. Guild cities exist in non-pvp instances. Battle keeps I think is what someone was refering to and those are in the pvp border kingdoms. That part sounds a lot like DaoC. Guilds will fight each other for control of the battle keeps. You know....guild 1 has it today, guild 2 takes it tommorrow, guild 1 takes it back, guild 3 gets it the next day...that sort of thing. Either that or the big "uber" guilds will take control and lock down anything worth having, who knows.
Anyway, I just don't see anything all that new or different about the game at this point. The jury is still out on the nitty gritty details of gameplay mechanics and in the broad overview it looks a lot like other games.
However, I did say that it might be a really great game for what it is. It's just that at this point I think that "what it is" isn't all that much different from existing games. I still think that people get caught up in hype and let their imaginations take over. Then they start imagining the game they way they would like it to be and start believing that their own fantasies about the game will be the reality.
Maybe I'm getting too old but I just can't get that "night before Christmas" fever anymore. I have to wait untill I've opened the package and then if I get a pair of old socks, well, at least I wasn't expecting much anyway.
I just cant stop laughinf after that Oceans12 guy And like someone replied, AoC isnt based on the Conan movie( though, you CAN punch Camel`s ingame wooooot. I guess they just couldnt leave that out hehehehe).
This is a true Next gen/ 3rd gen game. Do you know why? Because it's at least trying to break the mold. Hardcore ffa PvP. I'm sorry, but not very many games do this or try this. Lets get ride of the pvE and throw in the pvP for once!
AoC for the next gen!!!!!!!!
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3rd generation??? Whats that? No such thing in my mind... Many games have things that no one else has done, or done right at least... DAoC has an amazing PvP system that I have never seen before, UO began with a full-loot, full PvP game, the most pure one I have ever seen, WoW (though I wasn't expecially pleased with it) has it's good parts, especially for those of use who like to have our game be a part-time job... EQ, though I have never played it, started something I know because it was popular :P
So does that mean each of these games is their own generation because they did something new, and something that a ton of people liked. AoC is hopefully going to add to this least of games, especially with the creation of your guilds own castle... So 3rd generation? I wouldn't know, and don't think it exists.
The only way a generation could be described is through graphics I guess, which means who cares we have gotten to "3D", or close enough, and the improvements arnt going to go super fast with one game, that will take time, so if you look at it graphics wise its with a good amount of other games before it, whatever generation they are.
actually a oceans12 mmorpg would have some sort of sucess I mentioned this on general and the majority said it would be a innovative concept so suck it.
Well, whatever generation it is classified as, it is atleast a game that feels "fresh." It is not the same recycled piece of garbage that some companies have been putting out. Hard to tell though, the graphics do not look too hot, but I havent actually seen the game run on my screen. I am also not too big of a fan of humans either, I am playing in a FANTASY world, I would rather be playing a race that is fantasy-esque. But, the game does indeed deserve a good look at.
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Yeah the graphics look amazing and pretty realistic... You people are too used to cartoonish WoW graphics, with one handed swords bigger that you are... tsk tsk
I did not say that I like cartoony graphics, and WOW, which was my 5th MMORPG, I only played for 2 months. I have only seen a couple of videos, maybe they were old or something, but I did not like the look. And, like I said previously, I am not a fan of playing realistic humans, which may be why I do not think that the graphics are too hot.
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actually a oceans12 mmorpg would have some sort of sucess I mentioned this on general and the majority said it would be a innovative concept so suck it.
Right... as if the MMORPG.com community is particularly indicative of the average gamer...
If you apply the same principle to the populations of various released games, Eve Online would be the one with the big millions of subscribers to show off, with WOW relegated to rather low on the totem pole. yet, somehow, it doesn't work out that way.
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I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but AoC would be a FOURTH generation MMO.
we have
Generation 1 - Asheron's Call, Ultima Online, and a few others
Generation 2- Dark Age of Camelot, EverQuest, Horizons, Asheron's Call 2, Star Wars Galaxies,
Generation 3- (in my opinion, the worst so far, acception with the last two) EverQuest 2, World of Warcraft, Dungeons and Dragons Online, City of Heroes, EVE Online, Matrix Online, Guild Wars(isn't even an MMO really)
Generation 4- Vanguard, Age of Conan, Warhammer, Lord of the Rings Online.
While those may not be "revolutionary", they are indeed seperate from the third generation. A game doesn't have to change the face of the world to have a new generation.The Third generation is behind us, along with all the other WoW clones. Now what is yet to be seen,is how many companies go the WoW way and cater to the least common denominator, at the expense of their fanbase, and which ones dare to be different.
If you want a new genre, or a totally new outlook on MMOs, that's different from generation entirely.
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3rd gen? 2nd gen maybe .... Personally I think all the games have been the same old game with different graphics since EQ went live.
UO , Pre-CU SWG, and EVE-Online are the only games that have stepped outside the box, but they've all got their own fault that kept them from turning into cash cows.
We have all heard Neandertals naysaying haterisms...
But every MMO has SOME consistancies, but some at least TRY new mechanics (AO=instancing, AC2=respec, SB=sieges, etcetc) and AoC has several...
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twitch based melee, FPS ranged, and mounted twitch combat = 3rd gen deffinetely
Here's why. at least in my opinion. I have been gaming for some 25 years or so. The things that we are seeing today, apart from being gussied up a bit with pretty graphics and sound, aren't all that different from the games of 20 years ago. Actually, with so much being spent on the graphics and sound effects I would hazzard the flames from the kiddies in saying that games today (mmorpgs included) have little of the depth of the games that I was playing on my commodore 64 or apple.
Across different genres there are improvements being made. Gears of War, for example, sets a new bar for AI as does Relic's Company of Heroes and Dawn of War games. Is that enough to be labeled next gen? Very possibly especially if others even attempt to bring the intellect of thier computer controlled opponents up that level.
Instancing was considered a step forward just a couple years ago. Going backwards isnt impressive in the least, it's not like no other games have provided a huge gameworld free of instanced zones. Dark and Light for example did just this yet is universally recieved as a horrible excuse for a game. EQ1, Ultima Online, The Realm etc were all done without instancing.
Can Age of Conan be a next gen mmorpg? I dunno. There is alot there that is interesting but rather than being a traditional mmorpg it seems to be more in line with an mmo action rpg. I do not consider Diablo, its successor, nor any of the handful of clones to be rpgs. And The Elder Scrolls series kinda stradles the two. Which Age of Conan seems to be more like. It all depends on whether or not they bring anything really new to the table. Not somethign ripped from games 10 or 20 years old but actually something new and engrossing and this we wont know for several months at the very earliest. They have a nice gimmick and a great gameworld to play with that much is evident.
One last thing, eq1 could never, except by sony, be considered a 2nd gen mmorpg. WoW, EQ2, DAOC, SWG, Vanguard etc might be 2nd gen but again, none of them apart from DAOC and SWG brought anything new to the table, and Sony stripped all that coulda made SWG 2nd gen out of the game.
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Conan? Scharzenegger? Please i dont think his image sells much anymore.. I dont think he sells much anymore wth did they do this game. the movie is OOOLD. There are so much gooder licenses and they choose to make this pos. Think about it, how many ppl have seen conan and how many have seen oceans 12, davinci code or star wars. Too bad i like funcom but this was a wrong move by them and their gonna regret it, their near the pit and at risk.
Since you seem to think this game is based on the movie and not the books, and you think "oceans 12" would be a better license for a mmoI prefer to think of myself as the voice of reason.
What did I say that was so terribly hateful? Because I told people not to get their hopes up unrealistically high? Because I mentioned that the game will have PvE raiding? Or was it because I didn't jump on the "3rd generation" bandwagon?
Was I being hatefull when I said that it seems to follow the standard formula for mmorpgs? But it does...doesn't it? If you look at the overall structure of the game and not at the fine details then how will it really be all that different from WoW, for example? I'm talking about the broad overview here. Go kill things for levels and loot in a static world. Go on raids. PvP area segregated from PvE areas.
Ok, now when you get into finer detail there will be a lot of difference. Graphics of course. Maybe the combat system really will be something new and better and if it is I will applaud them for that. But we don't really know for sure yet and AoC wouldn't be the first game to promise a revolutionary new combat system and then players discover that it doesn't live up to the hype.
Also AoC will have guild owned cities and that might be cool but it's not exactly a new thing in mmorpgs. Oh, and by the way the guild cities are NOT in the PvP area as someone said. Guild cities exist in non-pvp instances. Battle keeps I think is what someone was refering to and those are in the pvp border kingdoms. That part sounds a lot like DaoC. Guilds will fight each other for control of the battle keeps. You know....guild 1 has it today, guild 2 takes it tommorrow, guild 1 takes it back, guild 3 gets it the next day...that sort of thing. Either that or the big "uber" guilds will take control and lock down anything worth having, who knows.
Anyway, I just don't see anything all that new or different about the game at this point. The jury is still out on the nitty gritty details of gameplay mechanics and in the broad overview it looks a lot like other games.
However, I did say that it might be a really great game for what it is. It's just that at this point I think that "what it is" isn't all that much different from existing games. I still think that people get caught up in hype and let their imaginations take over. Then they start imagining the game they way they would like it to be and start believing that their own fantasies about the game will be the reality.
Maybe I'm getting too old but I just can't get that "night before Christmas" fever anymore. I have to wait untill I've opened the package and then if I get a pair of old socks, well, at least I wasn't expecting much anyway.
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I just cant stop laughinf after that Oceans12 guy
And like someone replied, AoC isnt based on the Conan movie( though, you CAN punch Camel`s ingame wooooot. I guess they just couldnt leave that out hehehehe).
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So does that mean each of these games is their own generation because they did something new, and something that a ton of people liked. AoC is hopefully going to add to this least of games, especially with the creation of your guilds own castle... So 3rd generation? I wouldn't know, and don't think it exists.
The only way a generation could be described is through graphics I guess, which means who cares we have gotten to "3D", or close enough, and the improvements arnt going to go super fast with one game, that will take time, so if you look at it graphics wise its with a good amount of other games before it, whatever generation they are.
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The graphics dont look too hot eventhough its the first game to utilize DX10?...hmmmm, that doesnt make any sense does it?You call me evil.
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i agree, if its sucessful and the combat system is accepted or even loved mmos might never agian see a auto attack system agian3rd generation? I'm still waiting for 2nd generation.
Right... as if the MMORPG.com community is particularly indicative of the average gamer...
If you apply the same principle to the populations of various released games, Eve Online would be the one with the big millions of subscribers to show off, with WOW relegated to rather low on the totem pole. yet, somehow, it doesn't work out that way.
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we have
Generation 1 - Asheron's Call, Ultima Online, and a few others
Generation 2- Dark Age of Camelot, EverQuest, Horizons, Asheron's Call 2, Star Wars Galaxies,
Generation 3- (in my opinion, the worst so far, acception with the last two) EverQuest 2, World of Warcraft, Dungeons and Dragons Online, City of Heroes, EVE Online, Matrix Online, Guild Wars(isn't even an MMO really)
Generation 4- Vanguard, Age of Conan, Warhammer, Lord of the Rings Online.
While those may not be "revolutionary", they are indeed seperate from the third generation. A game doesn't have to change the face of the world to have a new generation.The Third generation is behind us, along with all the other WoW clones. Now what is yet to be seen,is how many companies go the WoW way and cater to the least common denominator, at the expense of their fanbase, and which ones dare to be different.
If you want a new genre, or a totally new outlook on MMOs, that's different from generation entirely.
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