A lot more than 50k boxes have been sold, I can tell you that much.
The game has at least 150,000 subscribers. I'd venture more around 180k-200k
As of 7am yesterday according to the Vanguards Player database
219690 charqacters between 1 and 50
71308 were level 1 characters probably name holders
54968 level 2 to level 5 alts and more name holders for the most part I think
58784 level 6 to level 10
34700 level 11 to level 50
1 buddy key in every box and 10 in every collectors edition box
Most people have more than 1 character, how many do you have? Males tend to make anywhere between 4.11 to 5.32 characters, Females 4.29 to 4.79 characters. I am still having problems making that .32 character myself
these numbers will change around 7:00 am to 7:30 am EST each day. I was a long term player of EQII and that is when its players were updated at least. They will grow as more make additional characters.
More people will still buy the game for the next couple of months off the shelves and off the net. Those who live way out in the boonies may just be getting their boxes. However the first three to four days is the largest growth and at the end of the free thirty some will cancel. Due to the long open beta I doubt Vanguard will see a drastic drop at that point though. People playing now, as you pointed out really like the game and there is nothing wrong with that, no need to spin it though. Let the game stand on it's own. You can be a fan without being a fan boy.
A lot more than 50k boxes have been sold, I can tell you that much.
The game has at least 150,000 subscribers. I'd venture more around 180k-200k
As of 7am yesterday according to the Vanguards Player database
219690 charqacters between 1 and 50
71308 were level 1 characters probably name holders
/agree
54968 level 2 to level 5 alts and more name holders for the most part I think
A portion of theses are also new players and those focusing on diplomacy and crafting right away but ya /agree
58784 level 6 to level 10
Small procentage alts, most probably mains 80/20 i would say
34700 level 11 to level 50
Most certainly almost all mains 95/5 perhaps
1 buddy key in every box and 10 in every collectors edition box
I would speculate that if you are playing on a buddy key and have made it to lvl 10 or more you are probably going to get the game. I could be wrong but its IMHO..
Most people have more than 1 character, how many do you have? Males tend to make anywhere between 4.11 to 5.32 characters, Females 4.29 to 4.79 characters. I am still having problems making that .32 character myself
these numbers will change around 7:00 am to 7:30 am EST each day. I was a long term player of EQII and that is when its players were updated at least. They will grow as more make additional characters.
More people will still buy the game for the next couple of months off the shelves and off the net. Those who live way out in the boonies may just be getting their boxes. However the first three to four days is the largest growth and at the end of the free thirty some will cancel. Due to the long open beta I doubt Vanguard will see a drastic drop at that point though. People playing now, as you pointed out really like the game and there is nothing wrong with that, no need to spin it though. Let the game stand on it's own. You can be a fan without being a fan boy.
I think the estimate of 50k might be about right, i would say it's a bit higher between 70-80k... If the numbers from SoE that you've provided are accurate.
those numbers will change in the next 15 minutes, SOE updates that database every day at 7:00 am EST , it is 6:45 EST now.
edit the data base rolled total characters are now 237329, 75163 level 1's, 103, 343 between level 6 and level 50. These are characters not accounts BTW.
Oh, incidentally its #2 at Play.com (after WoW: BC) and #1 at my local Game, so I guess someones buying it
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those numbers will change in the next 15 minutes, SOE updates that database every day at 7:00 am EST , it is 6:45 EST now.
edit the data base rolled total characters are now 237329, 75163 level 1's, 103, 343 between level 6 and level 50. These are characters not accounts BTW.
Those aren't too bad figures - in a worst case scenario that every player has eight toons (not the case in my experience by the way - I have 5, my permanent party and 6 and 2 respectivly) that would make 29,666.125 players out there and I think a fair bit of Europe haven't got their copies yet.
By the way SOE haters, just because its got 666 in the figure doesn't make them the devil
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By the way I do agree that most people playing are enjoying, after the open beta pretty much the only people who would play are the ones who enjoyed the open beta. Make sense?
That's not the case with me. I hated Open Beta, but did see the patches making it better. I bought the game and still wasn't happy with it, so I went out and bought EQII. I played EQII for about an hour and realized that the realistic graphics in Vanguard had spoiled me and so I quit EQII to come back to Vanguard.
I have to say that at times, it's an extremely frustrating game due to performance and bugs. However, I am smart enough to see that it has more potential than probably any other MMO ever created (at least any MMO that I've tried). For that reason alone, I decided to hang in there a little while longer and see what this Dev team can do. If they fix the major problems quickly, they'll have a loyal customer. If not, I'll re-evaluate my position in a month or two.
BTW, I'm doing my part to help make the game better. I submitted around 12 bugs yesterday alone.
A lot more than 50k boxes have been sold, I can tell you that much.
The game has at least 150,000 subscribers. I'd venture more around 180k-200k
As of 7am yesterday according to the Vanguards Player database
219690 charqacters between 1 and 50
71308 were level 1 characters probably name holders
54968 level 2 to level 5 alts and more name holders for the most part I think
58784 level 6 to level 10
34700 level 11 to level 50
1 buddy key in every box and 10 in every collectors edition box
Most people have more than 1 character, how many do you have? Males tend to make anywhere between 4.11 to 5.32 characters, Females 4.29 to 4.79 characters. I am still having problems making that .32 character myself
these numbers will change around 7:00 am to 7:30 am EST each day. I was a long term player of EQII and that is when its players were updated at least. They will grow as more make additional characters.
More people will still buy the game for the next couple of months off the shelves and off the net. Those who live way out in the boonies may just be getting their boxes. However the first three to four days is the largest growth and at the end of the free thirty some will cancel. Due to the long open beta I doubt Vanguard will see a drastic drop at that point though. People playing now, as you pointed out really like the game and there is nothing wrong with that, no need to spin it though. Let the game stand on it's own. You can be a fan without being a fan boy.
I'm going to disagree, just because of the 200k+ toons made your assumption is that that roughly 75% of those toons are alts, and I'm not really buying that.
Now if you said that approximetly 25% of the toons listed were alts I would say o.k., but I don't think that people spent the last week creating alt after alt and not taking time to accually try the game.
As far as my "guess" I imagine that Sigil is looking at around 100k subs and by the end of the first month will push over 200k. Just my best guestimate.
Not sure of the populations that they have now, but then again what does that matter? There's 8 million supposedly in WoW accounts and thats a game i dont care to play any longer. You won't hear me making negative statements agaisnt WoW though just the game isn't my idea of fun.
I hear some of you talking of bugs and low populated servers in Vanguard I'm just curious as to how much first hand knowledge you have and how much you may be quoting from your sisters boyfriends brothers friend said............... Seems when anyone quotes numbers the first thing most ask is link your proof which all of us know numbers have a habbit of being manipulated to prove or disprove anything
That being said I'm not sure if I would like to buy Vanguard or not, but I would'nt mind if someone would get in touch if they had a buddy key to spare so I could check it out and draw my own conclusions on the game
Of course you are entitled to your own opinion ... no matter how screwed up it may be.
It's also worthwhile noting that only the United States and the European powers have got their copies so far. Australians still have no retail release, and we aren't the only ones.
Sure, it's an underwhelming launch, but when it 'buggy' and 'Vanguard' were pretty much synonymous in many online fora, can anyone really be surprised?
If it plays like Horizons, looks like Horizons, then it is Horizons.
Lol, comparing the game to Horizons...
This, folks, is why most of the haters on this forum are full of shit and should be ignored.
Horizons was described using the following quotes from the Horizons forum on this site:
"Closed beta – serious issues with lag and server and client crashes also not fixed by OB"
"There are so many reasons why Horizons should have been an awesome game. And even playing it for only a little while you can see some of that potential."
"But there's a heavy grind factor - particularly for dragons, who kind of need to advance in crafting and fighting together."
"Combat was ok - certainly nothing special. It's all timer based. A bit like SWG is now - you attack and watch while your various special attack timers tick over. It's not a system I'm a fan of but it was playable."
"The quest system was really really really bad last time I played, though it was something they were supposedly in the process of fixing. They'd fixed all the quests except the dragon ones at that point so that might be better now."
"Performance is hit-or-miss on a lot of systems, and requires a lot of tweaking to run smoothly"
"Lag is still a problem, especially in crowded areas"
Horizons had other problems that Vanguard does not have but if you read the forums of all the failed MMOs on this site you will see the same issues that Vanguard is experiencing. Vanguard has the following unique problems:
It is a generation 1 game in the year 2007.
They released right after WoW's huge expansion.
They released a beta product.
They have WAR and AoC right around the corner.
Those are the added problems that Vanguard will have to overcome. The only difference between Vanguard the other failed MMOs on the left side of this page and Vanguard is that SOE has big pockets and will jump in to keep the game on life support like they do with SWG, the Matrix, and Planetside.
SOE will keep the game alive and even make expansions so you will continue to keep "having a blast". Hell, they still make expansions for EQ1.
A lot more than 50k boxes have been sold, I can tell you that much.
The game has at least 150,000 subscribers. I'd venture more around 180k-200k
Dear god... you people and your numbers. Show me the proof. I work at an EBGames and from the stores we can see in the system, copies of Vanguard are drastically under-selling, we're actually sending copies back for MRS.
The only thing worse then the people saying how bad Vanguard is right now are the people pushing out BS numbers and singing praise on a completely underserving game.
and the best buy here in NYC cant keep em in stock..so whats your point..every demo will have items selling differently. Frankly i couldnt care how big the population is. If i have fun and i have friends in game..thats all i need.
All i know is my guild has 56 UNIQUE members in it and we have a blast
...I work at an EBGames and from the stores we can see in the system, copies of Vanguard are drastically under-selling, we're actually sending copies back for MRS...
Just wondering did you do like my HMV etc and hide it at the back in the corner or did you guys actually display it somewhere people might see it?
Oh, and I wish they'd sorted out a better cover picture, I said as soon as I saw it that the cover art would damage sales - it just doesn't grab the customer by the eye at all.
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A lot more than 50k boxes have been sold, I can tell you that much.
The game has at least 150,000 subscribers. I'd venture more around 180k-200k
Dear god... you people and your numbers. Show me the proof. I work at an EBGames and from the stores we can see in the system, copies of Vanguard are drastically under-selling, we're actually sending copies back for MRS.
The only thing worse then the people saying how bad Vanguard is right now are the people pushing out BS numbers and singing praise on a completely underserving game.
Well don't I feel silly. Here I am thinking that I could walk into most any electronics or large retail store and get a copy of VG, or just DL it.
Well we have our proof. EB games is a crap store and going under because VG isn't selling like in a single district of the EB franchise.
How about we spin it this way. EB over ordered on copies of VG. Or, your store is a part of a district that sits in a region were VG isn't going to sell as well.
Awfull lot of people working at EB that post here it seems; so I'm going to blame it on EB not paying thier associates enough, because if they did they could afford to buy a copy of VG instead of sending them back.
Honestly though, I'm impressed that EB would send copies back after a single week of sales. Don't know about your area but in mine the EB and EBX didn't even have single point of purchase add up in the stores so I'm not really suprised if EB couldn't sell something they never informed thier customers about. Maybe the guys that do the buying and in store marketing for EB could have taken the couple minutes to accually call SoE or whoever is resopnsible and gotten a few posters or cut outs to place in the store to help with the sales.
I won't even get into the fact that EB and EBX places a much larger emphasis on console games, just because I've never been in every EB or EBX, only the ones in my area wich sell mostly used PC games.
As of 7am yesterday according to the Vanguards Player database 219690 charqacters between 1 and 50 71308 were level 1 characters probably name holders 54968 level 2 to level 5 alts and more name holders for the most part I think 58784 level 6 to level 10 34700 level 11 to level 50 1 buddy key in every box and 10 in every collectors edition box Most people have more than 1 character, how many do you have? Males tend to make anywhere between 4.11 to 5.32 characters, Females 4.29 to 4.79 characters. I am still having problems making that .32 character myself edit those stats came from http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/000551.php these numbers will change around 7:00 am to 7:30 am EST each day. I was a long term player of EQII and that is when its players were updated at least. They will grow as more make additional characters. More people will still buy the game for the next couple of months off the shelves and off the net. Those who live way out in the boonies may just be getting their boxes. However the first three to four days is the largest growth and at the end of the free thirty some will cancel. Due to the long open beta I doubt Vanguard will see a drastic drop at that point though. People playing now, as you pointed out really like the game and there is nothing wrong with that, no need to spin it though. Let the game stand on it's own. You can be a fan without being a fan boy.
Proof please.
Also Jackdog, any numbers you "assume" are going to be invalid as well as probably biased. So it's easy to show that your numbers are quite faulty.
Of those level 1s, how many are crafters? How many are diplomats? You don't need any adventuring levels to be either of those. Erego, your numbers are faulty.
What about the people who bought the game and use their buddy keys for their own account, to get the extra 10 days? You "assume" that half the players above level 6 are on buddy keys. There's no proof for this at all, just some arbirtary number you made up.
Therefore, all your numbers are pretty much faulty. Sorry to say but you're busted again jack.
In addition, the study you posted is invalid. It was completed for Everquest players, not Vanguard players. The two games, while they may be similar in some areas, also have quite different play styles in others. The study was also completed in 2001. This means that it's 6 YEARS old. Not only that, but Everquest had been out for 2 years, Vanguard has only been out for 1 week. After 2 years of playing Everquest, more people are going to have multiple characters than there are people having multiple characters on Vanguard the week it's released.
Sorry Jackdog but I'm tired of you ignoring my posts every time I bust one of your lies. You seriously need to respond to this if you want to have any credibility at all.
If you can factually prove any of your numbers beyond "how many characters there are", then step up. Otherwise, you need to apologize to all these people for lying to them, or atleast be a man and admit that your numbers have no actual basis in fact. I'm calling you out.
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Well don't I feel silly. Here I am thinking that I could walk into most any electronics or large retail store and get a copy of VG, or just DL it. Well we have our proof. EB games is a crap store and going under because VG isn't selling like in a single district of the EB franchise. How about we spin it this way. EB over ordered on copies of VG. Or, your store is a part of a district that sits in a region were VG isn't going to sell as well. Awfull lot of people working at EB that post here it seems; so I'm going to blame it on EB not paying thier associates enough, because if they did they could afford to buy a copy of VG instead of sending them back. Honestly though, I'm impressed that EB would send copies back after a single week of sales. Don't know about your area but in mine the EB and EBX didn't even have single point of purchase add up in the stores so I'm not really suprised if EB couldn't sell something they never informed thier customers about. Maybe the guys that do the buying and in store marketing for EB could have taken the couple minutes to accually call SoE or whoever is resopnsible and gotten a few posters or cut outs to place in the store to help with the sales. I won't even get into the fact that EB and EBX places a much larger emphasis on console games, just because I've never been in every EB or EBX, only the ones in my area wich sell mostly used PC games.
I agree. I've only been to a few EB Games/Gamestop stores, but they were all the most crap, unproffessional, and unknowledgeable store I've been in. I've heard hundreds of people say similar from all over the country, so it's pretty safe to say that a lot of them are like that.
Well don't I feel silly. Here I am thinking that I could walk into most any electronics or large retail store and get a copy of VG, or just DL it. Well we have our proof. EB games is a crap store and going under because VG isn't selling like in a single district of the EB franchise. How about we spin it this way. EB over ordered on copies of VG. Or, your store is a part of a district that sits in a region were VG isn't going to sell as well. Awfull lot of people working at EB that post here it seems; so I'm going to blame it on EB not paying thier associates enough, because if they did they could afford to buy a copy of VG instead of sending them back. Honestly though, I'm impressed that EB would send copies back after a single week of sales. Don't know about your area but in mine the EB and EBX didn't even have single point of purchase add up in the stores so I'm not really suprised if EB couldn't sell something they never informed thier customers about. Maybe the guys that do the buying and in store marketing for EB could have taken the couple minutes to accually call SoE or whoever is resopnsible and gotten a few posters or cut outs to place in the store to help with the sales. I won't even get into the fact that EB and EBX places a much larger emphasis on console games, just because I've never been in every EB or EBX, only the ones in my area wich sell mostly used PC games.
I agree. I've only been to a few EB Games/Gamestop stores, but they were all the most crap, unproffessional, and unknowledgeable store I've been in. I've heard hundreds of people say similar from all over the country, so it's pretty safe to say that a lot of them are like that.
And you just described why I won't give the EB/ EBX stores in my area any of my business. I have yet to walk in and get good servers. In fact the last time I ever baught a thing from them the pimply snot nosed bastard behind the counter told me not to buy the game I was buying because he thought it sucked (can't remember the game, or if he was right or not). Unprofesionalism at it's finest, and if I was the kids boss and heard him say that I woulda fired him.
I'll just repond to 'the numbers' half of the topic by saying: and WoW had it's millions of subs from day 1? The game has like been out a week geez... Tin Foil Hats and Coat Hangers all around then?
On the positive side of the topic: Yea since the release we've had less and less 'OMG this games SUX' in channels I think players are really getting into it, once the 'next' game is out then the flame of the monthwill be on that game, Vanguard is just the latest thing the trolls can troll about
Count me in as a person enjoying the game. In fact, the more you play, the more fun it gets. Now that my Druid is level 13... I'm having big fun and great adventures.
Just yesterday, me and two guildmates leveled up our faction (so the guards won't kill us) for a nearby "Order" city and then immediately went inside and caused general mayhem. Apparently not many Shadow have thought of this yet...and we found many unsuspecting folks quietly crafting, or doing their banking or whatever.... who were the perfect sacrifices..... (hey, we gave them warning...Evil is in the house, folks)
Of course, some upper level Order folks eventually came along and kicked us out of there...but not before we had some epic battles (some of the healing classes need to be killed by a wolfpack it seems) and a great time.
And a Druids Cloud Walk (super slow fall) ability.... best low level skill ever..... I tried climbing one of the higher mountain peaks and jumping off...and was able to ride half way across the island on my mount.... was a sky rider.....
Oh yes, most certainly quite a bit of fun to be had....(but, you have to be a little patient with the bugs...I've hit very few of them, but they are there) and be willing to give all aspects of the game (Diplomacy, gathering, crafting, and combat) a try. Oh yea....the social part about grouping up and joining guilds is probably a good idea too.
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I make an attempt to try out most of the premiere MMOs and have tried lots of the grind crud coming out of the east (some ok some terrible). I have played in tons of betas. I am not a fanboy of any one game ( I did love the original EQ) and like others have been gaming for 20+ years. I played MUDs before MMOs came along too.
Vanguard is fun. It has some bugs still but is MUCH better since the last closed (then open) beta. Very enjoyable with lots of obvious options. I got on a diplomacy kick with one character which slowed my adventuring level progress .The thought of my Paladin being a great Diplomat just seemed fitting to the character.
I am certainly having a good time in the game though. The world is huge and I have a awesome PC so graphically it is sweet! Still, I am awaiting Conan and a coupe others before settling in for the long haul.
Some things I have noticed since beta is that the game has gotten stingy on XP and crafting seems HARDER then it was by loads. Heck, getting to level 10 in my adventuring class has been pretty challenging time wise as I have a full time job, kids, etc.
Anyway, the game clearly wont be for everyone but it is very fun and getting more stable quickly. I have not had the game crash or lag seriously in a while and most of the quests that were broken in beta are working fine.
A lot more than 50k boxes have been sold, I can tell you that much.
The game has at least 150,000 subscribers. I'd venture more around 180k-200k
As of 7am yesterday according to the Vanguards Player database
219690 charqacters between 1 and 50
71308 were level 1 characters probably name holders
54968 level 2 to level 5 alts and more name holders for the most part I think
58784 level 6 to level 10
34700 level 11 to level 50
1 buddy key in every box and 10 in every collectors edition box
Most people have more than 1 character, how many do you have? Males tend to make anywhere between 4.11 to 5.32 characters, Females 4.29 to 4.79 characters. I am still having problems making that .32 character myself
these numbers will change around 7:00 am to 7:30 am EST each day. I was a long term player of EQII and that is when its players were updated at least. They will grow as more make additional characters.
More people will still buy the game for the next couple of months off the shelves and off the net. Those who live way out in the boonies may just be getting their boxes. However the first three to four days is the largest growth and at the end of the free thirty some will cancel. Due to the long open beta I doubt Vanguard will see a drastic drop at that point though. People playing now, as you pointed out really like the game and there is nothing wrong with that, no need to spin it though. Let the game stand on it's own. You can be a fan without being a fan boy.
I'm going to disagree, just because of the 200k+ toons made your assumption is that that roughly 75% of those toons are alts, and I'm not really buying that.
Now if you said that approximetly 25% of the toons listed were alts I would say o.k., but I don't think that people spent the last week creating alt after alt and not taking time to accually try the game.
As far as my "guess" I imagine that Sigil is looking at around 100k subs and by the end of the first month will push over 200k. Just my best guestimate.
about 1/3 of those figures are level 1's my friend. And by your logic only 1 in every for players has only 1 alt, how long you been playing these games? Statistics are 4 to 5 toons per subscriber. You also think that no one is using a buddy key I suppose. Right now if Sigil has 50K I would eat my hat. And yes these are Sundays figures, todays were about 20 K higher.
A lot more than 50k boxes have been sold, I can tell you that much.
The game has at least 150,000 subscribers. I'd venture more around 180k-200k
As of 7am yesterday according to the Vanguards Player database
219690 charqacters between 1 and 50
71308 were level 1 characters probably name holders
54968 level 2 to level 5 alts and more name holders for the most part I think
58784 level 6 to level 10
34700 level 11 to level 50
1 buddy key in every box and 10 in every collectors edition box
Most people have more than 1 character, how many do you have? Males tend to make anywhere between 4.11 to 5.32 characters, Females 4.29 to 4.79 characters. I am still having problems making that .32 character myself
these numbers will change around 7:00 am to 7:30 am EST each day. I was a long term player of EQII and that is when its players were updated at least. They will grow as more make additional characters.
More people will still buy the game for the next couple of months off the shelves and off the net. Those who live way out in the boonies may just be getting their boxes. However the first three to four days is the largest growth and at the end of the free thirty some will cancel. Due to the long open beta I doubt Vanguard will see a drastic drop at that point though. People playing now, as you pointed out really like the game and there is nothing wrong with that, no need to spin it though. Let the game stand on it's own. You can be a fan without being a fan boy.
I'm going to disagree, just because of the 200k+ toons made your assumption is that that roughly 75% of those toons are alts, and I'm not really buying that.
Now if you said that approximetly 25% of the toons listed were alts I would say o.k., but I don't think that people spent the last week creating alt after alt and not taking time to accually try the game.
As far as my "guess" I imagine that Sigil is looking at around 100k subs and by the end of the first month will push over 200k. Just my best guestimate.
about 1/3 of those figures are level 1's my friend. And by your logic only 1 in every for players has only 1 alt, how long you been playing these games? Statistics are 4 to 5 toons per subscriber. You also think that no one is using a buddy key I suppose. Right now if Sigil has 50K I would eat my hat. And yes these are Sundays figures, todays were about 20 K higher.
Hey jackdog. Why is it that you won't ever respond to my posts where I show your numbers to be completely biased and faulty?
You use outdated statistics on a different topic from a different game after it was out for 2 years to try and apply them to a new game that's been out for 1 week and you make poor assumptions at that?
Cmon man, don't hide from the truth. You wouldn't be avoiding responding to my posts because I've shown you're just spreading more lies, would you?
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As of 7am yesterday according to the Vanguards Player database
219690 charqacters between 1 and 50
71308 were level 1 characters probably name holders
54968 level 2 to level 5 alts and more name holders for the most part I think
58784 level 6 to level 10
34700 level 11 to level 50
1 buddy key in every box and 10 in every collectors edition box
Most people have more than 1 character, how many do you have? Males tend to make anywhere between 4.11 to 5.32 characters, Females 4.29 to 4.79 characters. I am still having problems making that .32 character myself
edit those stats came from http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/000551.php
these numbers will change around 7:00 am to 7:30 am EST each day. I was a long term player of EQII and that is when its players were updated at least. They will grow as more make additional characters.
More people will still buy the game for the next couple of months off the shelves and off the net. Those who live way out in the boonies may just be getting their boxes. However the first three to four days is the largest growth and at the end of the free thirty some will cancel. Due to the long open beta I doubt Vanguard will see a drastic drop at that point though. People playing now, as you pointed out really like the game and there is nothing wrong with that, no need to spin it though. Let the game stand on it's own. You can be a fan without being a fan boy.
I miss DAoC
As of 7am yesterday according to the Vanguards Player database
219690 charqacters between 1 and 50
71308 were level 1 characters probably name holders
/agree
54968 level 2 to level 5 alts and more name holders for the most part I think
A portion of theses are also new players and those focusing on diplomacy and crafting right away but ya /agree
58784 level 6 to level 10
Small procentage alts, most probably mains 80/20 i would say
34700 level 11 to level 50
Most certainly almost all mains 95/5 perhaps
1 buddy key in every box and 10 in every collectors edition box
I would speculate that if you are playing on a buddy key and have made it to lvl 10 or more you are probably going to get the game. I could be wrong but its IMHO..
Most people have more than 1 character, how many do you have? Males tend to make anywhere between 4.11 to 5.32 characters, Females 4.29 to 4.79 characters. I am still having problems making that .32 character myself
edit those stats came from http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/000551.php
these numbers will change around 7:00 am to 7:30 am EST each day. I was a long term player of EQII and that is when its players were updated at least. They will grow as more make additional characters.
More people will still buy the game for the next couple of months off the shelves and off the net. Those who live way out in the boonies may just be getting their boxes. However the first three to four days is the largest growth and at the end of the free thirty some will cancel. Due to the long open beta I doubt Vanguard will see a drastic drop at that point though. People playing now, as you pointed out really like the game and there is nothing wrong with that, no need to spin it though. Let the game stand on it's own. You can be a fan without being a fan boy.
I think the estimate of 50k might be about right, i would say it's a bit higher between 70-80k... If the numbers from SoE that you've provided are accurate.
those numbers will change in the next 15 minutes, SOE updates that database every day at 7:00 am EST , it is 6:45 EST now.
edit the data base rolled total characters are now 237329, 75163 level 1's, 103, 343 between level 6 and level 50. These are characters not accounts BTW.
I miss DAoC
Oh, incidentally its #2 at Play.com (after WoW: BC) and #1 at my local Game, so I guess someones buying it
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Games in my wake: Anarchy Online, Archlord (beta), Asherons Call, Asherons Call 2, City of Heroes, Dark Age of Camelot (SI to Catacombs), DDO, EVE Online, EverQuest II (beta), Guild Wars, Horizons, Lineage II,LORTO, Rift, RF Online (beta), RYL, Saga of Ryzon, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Vanguard, WAR, WoW
By the way SOE haters, just because its got 666 in the figure doesn't make them the devil
Currently Playing: GW2
Currently Following: Elder Scrolls Online
Games in my wake: Anarchy Online, Archlord (beta), Asherons Call, Asherons Call 2, City of Heroes, Dark Age of Camelot (SI to Catacombs), DDO, EVE Online, EverQuest II (beta), Guild Wars, Horizons, Lineage II,LORTO, Rift, RF Online (beta), RYL, Saga of Ryzon, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Vanguard, WAR, WoW
That's not the case with me. I hated Open Beta, but did see the patches making it better. I bought the game and still wasn't happy with it, so I went out and bought EQII. I played EQII for about an hour and realized that the realistic graphics in Vanguard had spoiled me and so I quit EQII to come back to Vanguard.
I have to say that at times, it's an extremely frustrating game due to performance and bugs. However, I am smart enough to see that it has more potential than probably any other MMO ever created (at least any MMO that I've tried). For that reason alone, I decided to hang in there a little while longer and see what this Dev team can do. If they fix the major problems quickly, they'll have a loyal customer. If not, I'll re-evaluate my position in a month or two.
BTW, I'm doing my part to help make the game better. I submitted around 12 bugs yesterday alone.
As of 7am yesterday according to the Vanguards Player database
219690 charqacters between 1 and 50
71308 were level 1 characters probably name holders
54968 level 2 to level 5 alts and more name holders for the most part I think
58784 level 6 to level 10
34700 level 11 to level 50
1 buddy key in every box and 10 in every collectors edition box
Most people have more than 1 character, how many do you have? Males tend to make anywhere between 4.11 to 5.32 characters, Females 4.29 to 4.79 characters. I am still having problems making that .32 character myself
edit those stats came from http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/000551.php
these numbers will change around 7:00 am to 7:30 am EST each day. I was a long term player of EQII and that is when its players were updated at least. They will grow as more make additional characters.
More people will still buy the game for the next couple of months off the shelves and off the net. Those who live way out in the boonies may just be getting their boxes. However the first three to four days is the largest growth and at the end of the free thirty some will cancel. Due to the long open beta I doubt Vanguard will see a drastic drop at that point though. People playing now, as you pointed out really like the game and there is nothing wrong with that, no need to spin it though. Let the game stand on it's own. You can be a fan without being a fan boy.
I'm going to disagree, just because of the 200k+ toons made your assumption is that that roughly 75% of those toons are alts, and I'm not really buying that.
Now if you said that approximetly 25% of the toons listed were alts I would say o.k., but I don't think that people spent the last week creating alt after alt and not taking time to accually try the game.
As far as my "guess" I imagine that Sigil is looking at around 100k subs and by the end of the first month will push over 200k. Just my best guestimate.
Not sure of the populations that they have now, but then again what does that matter? There's 8 million supposedly in WoW accounts and thats a game i dont care to play any longer. You won't hear me making negative statements agaisnt WoW though just the game isn't my idea of fun.
I hear some of you talking of bugs and low populated servers in Vanguard I'm just curious as to how much first hand knowledge you have and how much you may be quoting from your sisters boyfriends brothers friend said............... Seems when anyone quotes numbers the first thing most ask is link your proof which all of us know numbers have a habbit of being manipulated to prove or disprove anything
That being said I'm not sure if I would like to buy Vanguard or not, but I would'nt mind if someone would get in touch if they had a buddy key to spare so I could check it out and draw my own conclusions on the game
Of course you are entitled to your own opinion ... no matter how screwed up it may be.
Sure, it's an underwhelming launch, but when it 'buggy' and 'Vanguard' were pretty much synonymous in many online fora, can anyone really be surprised?
This, folks, is why most of the haters on this forum are full of shit and should be ignored.
Horizons was described using the following quotes from the Horizons forum on this site:
Horizons had other problems that Vanguard does not have but if you read the forums of all the failed MMOs on this site you will see the same issues that Vanguard is experiencing. Vanguard has the following unique problems:
Those are the added problems that Vanguard will have to overcome. The only difference between Vanguard the other failed MMOs on the left side of this page and Vanguard is that SOE has big pockets and will jump in to keep the game on life support like they do with SWG, the Matrix, and Planetside.
SOE will keep the game alive and even make expansions so you will continue to keep "having a blast". Hell, they still make expansions for EQ1.
For what it's worth, I'm enjoying it. It just feels like that first time I played SWG
Dear god... you people and your numbers. Show me the proof. I work at an EBGames and from the stores we can see in the system, copies of Vanguard are drastically under-selling, we're actually sending copies back for MRS.
The only thing worse then the people saying how bad Vanguard is right now are the people pushing out BS numbers and singing praise on a completely underserving game.
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and the best buy here in NYC cant keep em in stock..so whats your point..every demo will have items selling differently. Frankly i couldnt care how big the population is. If i have fun and i have friends in game..thats all i need.
All i know is my guild has 56 UNIQUE members in it and we have a blast
Oh, and I wish they'd sorted out a better cover picture, I said as soon as I saw it that the cover art would damage sales - it just doesn't grab the customer by the eye at all.
Oh, by the way its #1 at EBGames US on the PC (http://www.ebgames.com/default.asp?sect=1278)
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Games in my wake: Anarchy Online, Archlord (beta), Asherons Call, Asherons Call 2, City of Heroes, Dark Age of Camelot (SI to Catacombs), DDO, EVE Online, EverQuest II (beta), Guild Wars, Horizons, Lineage II,LORTO, Rift, RF Online (beta), RYL, Saga of Ryzon, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, Vanguard, WAR, WoW
Dear god... you people and your numbers. Show me the proof. I work at an EBGames and from the stores we can see in the system, copies of Vanguard are drastically under-selling, we're actually sending copies back for MRS.
The only thing worse then the people saying how bad Vanguard is right now are the people pushing out BS numbers and singing praise on a completely underserving game.
Well don't I feel silly. Here I am thinking that I could walk into most any electronics or large retail store and get a copy of VG, or just DL it.
Well we have our proof. EB games is a crap store and going under because VG isn't selling like in a single district of the EB franchise.
How about we spin it this way. EB over ordered on copies of VG. Or, your store is a part of a district that sits in a region were VG isn't going to sell as well.
Awfull lot of people working at EB that post here it seems; so I'm going to blame it on EB not paying thier associates enough, because if they did they could afford to buy a copy of VG instead of sending them back.
Honestly though, I'm impressed that EB would send copies back after a single week of sales. Don't know about your area but in mine the EB and EBX didn't even have single point of purchase add up in the stores so I'm not really suprised if EB couldn't sell something they never informed thier customers about. Maybe the guys that do the buying and in store marketing for EB could have taken the couple minutes to accually call SoE or whoever is resopnsible and gotten a few posters or cut outs to place in the store to help with the sales.
I won't even get into the fact that EB and EBX places a much larger emphasis on console games, just because I've never been in every EB or EBX, only the ones in my area wich sell mostly used PC games.
Proof please.
Also Jackdog, any numbers you "assume" are going to be invalid as well as probably biased. So it's easy to show that your numbers are quite faulty.
Of those level 1s, how many are crafters? How many are diplomats? You don't need any adventuring levels to be either of those. Erego, your numbers are faulty.
What about the people who bought the game and use their buddy keys for their own account, to get the extra 10 days? You "assume" that half the players above level 6 are on buddy keys. There's no proof for this at all, just some arbirtary number you made up.
Therefore, all your numbers are pretty much faulty. Sorry to say but you're busted again jack.
In addition, the study you posted is invalid. It was completed for Everquest players, not Vanguard players. The two games, while they may be similar in some areas, also have quite different play styles in others. The study was also completed in 2001. This means that it's 6 YEARS old. Not only that, but Everquest had been out for 2 years, Vanguard has only been out for 1 week. After 2 years of playing Everquest, more people are going to have multiple characters than there are people having multiple characters on Vanguard the week it's released.
Sorry Jackdog but I'm tired of you ignoring my posts every time I bust one of your lies. You seriously need to respond to this if you want to have any credibility at all.
If you can factually prove any of your numbers beyond "how many characters there are", then step up. Otherwise, you need to apologize to all these people for lying to them, or atleast be a man and admit that your numbers have no actual basis in fact. I'm calling you out.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
And you just described why I won't give the EB/ EBX stores in my area any of my business. I have yet to walk in and get good servers. In fact the last time I ever baught a thing from them the pimply snot nosed bastard behind the counter told me not to buy the game I was buying because he thought it sucked (can't remember the game, or if he was right or not). Unprofesionalism at it's finest, and if I was the kids boss and heard him say that I woulda fired him.
I won't ever go to EB again either.
I went in to EB to buy my copy of Vanguard (bestbuy hadn't got their shipment) and they actually sold me someone elses pre-ordered collectors edition.
They're monkeys there.
And Jackdog still needs to respond to my post.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
I'll just repond to 'the numbers' half of the topic by saying: and WoW had it's millions of subs from day 1? The game has like been out a week geez... Tin Foil Hats and Coat Hangers all around then?
On the positive side of the topic: Yea since the release we've had less and less 'OMG this games SUX' in channels I think players are really getting into it, once the 'next' game is out then the flame of the monthwill be on that game, Vanguard is just the latest thing the trolls can troll about
Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!
Try to pull this thread back on track... ...
Count me in as a person enjoying the game. In fact, the more you play, the more fun it gets. Now that my Druid is level 13... I'm having big fun and great adventures.
Just yesterday, me and two guildmates leveled up our faction (so the guards won't kill us) for a nearby "Order" city and then immediately went inside and caused general mayhem. Apparently not many Shadow have thought of this yet...and we found many unsuspecting folks quietly crafting, or doing their banking or whatever.... who were the perfect sacrifices..... (hey, we gave them warning...Evil is in the house, folks)
Of course, some upper level Order folks eventually came along and kicked us out of there...but not before we had some epic battles (some of the healing classes need to be killed by a wolfpack it seems) and a great time.
And a Druids Cloud Walk (super slow fall) ability.... best low level skill ever..... I tried climbing one of the higher mountain peaks and jumping off...and was able to ride half way across the island on my mount.... was a sky rider.....
Oh yes, most certainly quite a bit of fun to be had....(but, you have to be a little patient with the bugs...I've hit very few of them, but they are there) and be willing to give all aspects of the game (Diplomacy, gathering, crafting, and combat) a try. Oh yea....the social part about grouping up and joining guilds is probably a good idea too.
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I make an attempt to try out most of the premiere MMOs and have tried lots of the grind crud coming out of the east (some ok some terrible). I have played in tons of betas. I am not a fanboy of any one game ( I did love the original EQ) and like others have been gaming for 20+ years. I played MUDs before MMOs came along too.
Vanguard is fun. It has some bugs still but is MUCH better since the last closed (then open) beta. Very enjoyable with lots of obvious options. I got on a diplomacy kick with one character which slowed my adventuring level progress .The thought of my Paladin being a great Diplomat just seemed fitting to the character.
I am certainly having a good time in the game though. The world is huge and I have a awesome PC so graphically it is sweet! Still, I am awaiting Conan and a coupe others before settling in for the long haul.
Some things I have noticed since beta is that the game has gotten stingy on XP and crafting seems HARDER then it was by loads. Heck, getting to level 10 in my adventuring class has been pretty challenging time wise as I have a full time job, kids, etc.
Anyway, the game clearly wont be for everyone but it is very fun and getting more stable quickly. I have not had the game crash or lag seriously in a while and most of the quests that were broken in beta are working fine.
As of 7am yesterday according to the Vanguards Player database
219690 charqacters between 1 and 50
71308 were level 1 characters probably name holders
54968 level 2 to level 5 alts and more name holders for the most part I think
58784 level 6 to level 10
34700 level 11 to level 50
1 buddy key in every box and 10 in every collectors edition box
Most people have more than 1 character, how many do you have? Males tend to make anywhere between 4.11 to 5.32 characters, Females 4.29 to 4.79 characters. I am still having problems making that .32 character myself
edit those stats came from http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/000551.php
these numbers will change around 7:00 am to 7:30 am EST each day. I was a long term player of EQII and that is when its players were updated at least. They will grow as more make additional characters.
More people will still buy the game for the next couple of months off the shelves and off the net. Those who live way out in the boonies may just be getting their boxes. However the first three to four days is the largest growth and at the end of the free thirty some will cancel. Due to the long open beta I doubt Vanguard will see a drastic drop at that point though. People playing now, as you pointed out really like the game and there is nothing wrong with that, no need to spin it though. Let the game stand on it's own. You can be a fan without being a fan boy.
I'm going to disagree, just because of the 200k+ toons made your assumption is that that roughly 75% of those toons are alts, and I'm not really buying that.
Now if you said that approximetly 25% of the toons listed were alts I would say o.k., but I don't think that people spent the last week creating alt after alt and not taking time to accually try the game.
As far as my "guess" I imagine that Sigil is looking at around 100k subs and by the end of the first month will push over 200k. Just my best guestimate.
about 1/3 of those figures are level 1's my friend. And by your logic only 1 in every for players has only 1 alt, how long you been playing these games? Statistics are 4 to 5 toons per subscriber. You also think that no one is using a buddy key I suppose. Right now if Sigil has 50K I would eat my hat. And yes these are Sundays figures, todays were about 20 K higher.I miss DAoC
As of 7am yesterday according to the Vanguards Player database
219690 charqacters between 1 and 50
71308 were level 1 characters probably name holders
54968 level 2 to level 5 alts and more name holders for the most part I think
58784 level 6 to level 10
34700 level 11 to level 50
1 buddy key in every box and 10 in every collectors edition box
Most people have more than 1 character, how many do you have? Males tend to make anywhere between 4.11 to 5.32 characters, Females 4.29 to 4.79 characters. I am still having problems making that .32 character myself
edit those stats came from http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/000551.php
these numbers will change around 7:00 am to 7:30 am EST each day. I was a long term player of EQII and that is when its players were updated at least. They will grow as more make additional characters.
More people will still buy the game for the next couple of months off the shelves and off the net. Those who live way out in the boonies may just be getting their boxes. However the first three to four days is the largest growth and at the end of the free thirty some will cancel. Due to the long open beta I doubt Vanguard will see a drastic drop at that point though. People playing now, as you pointed out really like the game and there is nothing wrong with that, no need to spin it though. Let the game stand on it's own. You can be a fan without being a fan boy.
I'm going to disagree, just because of the 200k+ toons made your assumption is that that roughly 75% of those toons are alts, and I'm not really buying that.
Now if you said that approximetly 25% of the toons listed were alts I would say o.k., but I don't think that people spent the last week creating alt after alt and not taking time to accually try the game.
As far as my "guess" I imagine that Sigil is looking at around 100k subs and by the end of the first month will push over 200k. Just my best guestimate.
about 1/3 of those figures are level 1's my friend. And by your logic only 1 in every for players has only 1 alt, how long you been playing these games? Statistics are 4 to 5 toons per subscriber. You also think that no one is using a buddy key I suppose. Right now if Sigil has 50K I would eat my hat. And yes these are Sundays figures, todays were about 20 K higher.Hey jackdog. Why is it that you won't ever respond to my posts where I show your numbers to be completely biased and faulty?
You use outdated statistics on a different topic from a different game after it was out for 2 years to try and apply them to a new game that's been out for 1 week and you make poor assumptions at that?
Cmon man, don't hide from the truth. You wouldn't be avoiding responding to my posts because I've shown you're just spreading more lies, would you?
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