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Vindictiiv
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I've been gaming for years now. I'm an old guy, I'll admit it. I owned a Commodore 64, just to give you an idea.
I loved the original EQ and haven't had as much fun since I quit 5 years ago.
Anyway, there haven't been that many games that have been released that I really felt bad about buying.
Unfortunetly this is the first one that was so infuriating it inspired me to post.
Software developers are becoming more and more irresponsible because of a growing trend in the industry. - Releasing games before they are complete. It's sad to me that SOE most likely forced Sigil to release ahead of time. Even so, lets for a minute imagine that the game was bug free, (and we all know that's no where close to true.) So let's take a look at the game...
What have they done thats new?
Diplomacy? - Just another way to level up really, just a mini-game.
Other then that nothing about this game is new or different and I wouldn't really even consider that innovative.
Ok so nothing new so far let's talk about graphics.
It really doesn't look any different then EQ2 and to be honest the art direction was a bit worse. Guys I have to say, making things shiny doesn't cover -up or improve poor modeling.
Nothing new here that you haven't seen before and unless you have the newest hardware the game is going to look like crap if you want a decent framerate.
Now honestly, if I had an insane computer, and no other issues with this game I could see why some people might like the game and even enjoy it because it's new. Who doesn't like a shiny new game the first few weeks? I'm just saying that after the initial buzz wears off all but the most die hard fanboy's will be playing something else and SOE knew that from the start. They figured they might as well salvage what they could from this resource demanding pig of a game and they sold us, they sold us with the hype, the million dollar marketing budget, and with the help and trust of a buttload of old EQ fan's like me hoping to recapture that initial experience.
I loved the original EQ and haven't had as much fun since I quit 5 years ago.
Anyway, there haven't been that many games that have been released that I really felt bad about buying.
Unfortunetly this is the first one that was so infuriating it inspired me to post.
Software developers are becoming more and more irresponsible because of a growing trend in the industry. - Releasing games before they are complete. It's sad to me that SOE most likely forced Sigil to release ahead of time. Even so, lets for a minute imagine that the game was bug free, (and we all know that's no where close to true.) So let's take a look at the game...
What have they done thats new?
Diplomacy? - Just another way to level up really, just a mini-game.
Other then that nothing about this game is new or different and I wouldn't really even consider that innovative.
Ok so nothing new so far let's talk about graphics.
It really doesn't look any different then EQ2 and to be honest the art direction was a bit worse. Guys I have to say, making things shiny doesn't cover -up or improve poor modeling.
Nothing new here that you haven't seen before and unless you have the newest hardware the game is going to look like crap if you want a decent framerate.
Now honestly, if I had an insane computer, and no other issues with this game I could see why some people might like the game and even enjoy it because it's new. Who doesn't like a shiny new game the first few weeks? I'm just saying that after the initial buzz wears off all but the most die hard fanboy's will be playing something else and SOE knew that from the start. They figured they might as well salvage what they could from this resource demanding pig of a game and they sold us, they sold us with the hype, the million dollar marketing budget, and with the help and trust of a buttload of old EQ fan's like me hoping to recapture that initial experience.
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Personally, I find the game interesting but with the crashes, the appalling textures at my non-top rig (but recommended spec) machine, and the sheer unoriginality of it all, I will be leaving it to gather dust on my HDD for several months until Sigil get their lives in order.
I suppose you wouldnt call something no ones ever done before innovative.
I guess you didn't get the point. While diplomacy is unique to Vanguard, essentially all it is, is another way of leveling and not much different then adventuring or crafting. So no, it's not innovative.
Ok so nothing new so far let's talk about graphics.
It really doesn't look any different then EQ2 and to be honest the art direction was a bit worse. Guys I have to say, making things shiny doesn't cover -up or improve poor modeling.
Poor modelling I really dont understand, I think its great, my taste anyways.
Your right modeling is a matter of taste. If you compare let's say the character model to EQ2 as an example I think you'll understand what I mean.
Nothing new here that you haven't seen before and unless you have the newest hardware the game is going to look like crap if you want a decent framerate.
Whats a decent framerate? 60FPS 100FPS? See below.
No a playable framerate, 20-30 ish?
Now honestly, if I had an insane computer, and no other issues with this game I could see why some people might like the game and even enjoy it because it's new. Who doesn't like a shiny new game the first few weeks? I'm just saying that after the initial buzz wears off all but the most die hard fanboy's will be playing something else and SOE knew that from the start. They figured they might as well salvage what they could from this resource demanding pig of a game and they sold us, they sold us with the hype, the million dollar marketing budget, and with the help and trust of a buttload of old EQ fan's like me hoping to recapture that initial experience.
Hmm I guess all those people posting about playing the game well with med rig machines are lying eh. I mean would it been a good idea to design a game for low end machines knowing technology changes so fast. Considering mmorpgs are not short term ventures like single player games, aint it nice to think that as technology becomes cheaper the graphics will get better? Instead of people saying in 2 or 3 years time that the graphics are looking dated.
No again you're missing the point. I'll compare it to EQ2 again. The graphics engines are so similar it's scary. Even though EQ2's engine is so much better performance-wise. When a graphics engine is so poorly optimized that even though I have 2 gig of RAM a P4 3.0 and a GeForce 7600GS with 512 on board and I'm getting an average of 9 FPS, that is complete crap. If they were responsible they would raise the system requirements and at least make it known that unless you have a fairly powerful machine you just aren't going to see playable framerates.
Seems to me this is all about u having an issue with SOE
Nothing new in this post really, lots of moans very little substance.
and yet you felt the need to take the time to respond to each item...thanks?
"I actually cook my meat with nothing but my burning hatred for vegetables"
I want to like this game so much, but i just can't. Yes maybe all the bugs will be ironed out in a month or so, but i don't buy a game to play it a month later. I know all MMO's are buggy on release, but this has to be the worst MMO i've played at release (Bug wise).
I'm now looking for an MMO to hold my time and sadly this isnt the one, I myself and many others feel the same way and i might check it out a month or so down the line but i'm not paying one months fee just to see if they've made it into a playable game, im going to have to read a whole lot of forums.
Theres only one other MMO that I kicked myself for buying and that was DDO.
My quest continues to find a MMO worth playing.
Current MMO: Nothing
Waiting For: FireFall, GW2
I severely doubt people will whine about innovative and new, fresh ideas in MMO's.
They do need to do something new because that's the only way to compete with the market. Games like WoW, LOTRo, and Warhammer are going to do the same thing everyone else is doing, but BETTER. This results in every other game that's the same losing out and eventually dying.
WoW is just an enhanced version of EQ, favoring the casual gamer.
Vanguard is just an enhanced version of EQ, favoring the EQ gamer.
Nothing new and fresh besides diplomacy and crafting, which are SIDE games, not the game itself.
Fresh and Innovative is what is going to move the market. Conan and Gods & Heroes are taking it a step in the right direction. LOTRo and Warhammer are taking WoW and improving on it, but not with anything majorly new or fresh.
Flying mounts
Boats.
HUGE seemless world to explore
better crafting system
TONS AND TONS of Quests to do
awesome grouping sessions
awesome graghics
AND i play i high performence (sometimes balanced) and the graghics are still better then EQ2 on medium-high
and im sure there is more that i cant think of.
anyone else want to add?
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Flying mounts are NOT new. Warcraft promised those MONTHS before people even knew what Vanguard was.
Boats are NOT something new either.
HUGE seemless world to explore is NOT new either. Most MMO's have a very big world. Vanguard's might be bigger and maybe a bit better to explore, but it is NOT anything new. There are plenty of MMO's with huge seemless worlds to explore.
It does have a good crafting system, I'll give you that.
TONS AND TON of Quests? Sorry, but all other MMO's have TONS AND TONS of "Kill 10 of these" Quests with non-sensical lore. The quests in Vanguard are not new, nor is the amount of quests anything new.
Every MMO has awesome grouping sessions. Games like CoX have innovative grouping where you can group with a lower/higher level. Now THAT is innovative. Vanguard provides nothing new in grouping.
The graphics are okay in Vanguard, but nothing special. Ignoring the poor performance, the graphics do not make an MMO, and the graphics in Vanguard are not revolutionary compared to other MMO's. Maybe better graphics, maybe beautiful environment, but nothing overly special.
Your opinion may be that EQ2's graphics suck compared to Vanguard's, but that's a matter of opinion. IMO Vanguard's human models are WAY too cartoony. If I wanted to play a cartoon, I'd play WoW. Why Vanguard!?
The only thing Vanguard has new is a good crafting system and diplomacy. Diplomacy is nothing special. I give Vanguard the award for innovative crafting, but THAT'S IT. Nothing else is new, fresh, or innovative.
And if your gonna play it, make sure your like, 90 years old. All the armor/clothes in the game have the pants pulled up to the nipples. Fucking ANNOYING to constantly look at your damn sword hilt bumping into your armpit as you run.
"It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde
Flying mounts are NOT new. Warcraft promised those MONTHS before people even knew what Vanguard was.
Boats are NOT something new either.
HUGE seemless world to explore is NOT new either. Most MMO's have a very big world. Vanguard's might be bigger and maybe a bit better to explore, but it is NOT anything new. There are plenty of MMO's with huge seemless worlds to explore.
It does have a good crafting system, I'll give you that.
TONS AND TON of Quests? Sorry, but all other MMO's have TONS AND TONS of "Kill 10 of these" Quests with non-sensical lore. The quests in Vanguard are not new, nor is the amount of quests anything new.
Every MMO has awesome grouping sessions. Games like CoX have innovative grouping where you can group with a lower/higher level. Now THAT is innovative. Vanguard provides nothing new in grouping.
The graphics are okay in Vanguard, but nothing special. Ignoring the poor performance, the graphics do not make an MMO, and the graphics in Vanguard are not revolutionary compared to other MMO's. Maybe better graphics, maybe beautiful environment, but nothing overly special.
Your opinion may be that EQ2's graphics suck compared to Vanguard's, but that's a matter of opinion. IMO Vanguard's human models are WAY too cartoony. If I wanted to play a cartoon, I'd play WoW. Why Vanguard!?
The only thing Vanguard has new is a good crafting system and diplomacy. Diplomacy is nothing special. I give Vanguard the award for innovative crafting, but THAT'S IT. Nothing else is new, fresh, or innovative.
Ok, so what exactly is there to do that would be considered NEW to fantasy MMO's? You want to cry about innovation, but what really do you expect people to do?
Also, what is the point of people constantly creating NEW posts of the same stale ass opinion? Why don't you all join a club, name yourselves the Crybabies, or The Fantastic Whiner Brothers, and post on GIANT topic filled with your negativity?
I am no Vanboi, as I have never played the game, but I am just sick of seeing this SAME DAMNED POST every 30 seconds.
If you want EQ1 reinstall it and play it....if not then accept Vanguard for what it is, or move the eff on.
Well if you're going to quit...
I'm actually looking for an account since the game costs 125$ here in Brazil and I can't really afford that.
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In WoW, you can fly those mounts anywhere in the game right? In Vanguard you can get a flying mount and fly to anywhere in any direction, including up and down. I'm wondering if it's the same in WoW.
Other games might have a huge world combined IF you connect all the zones and bottlenecks. The biggest continent, Thestra, is said to take 2 hours to go from one coast to the other and no, it's not all filled with monsters and towns. It's not supposed to and that's why you can buy a horse at level 10.
You can say UO started in world player housing and boat building but UO, with all due respect, is a 2D game.
Diplomacy is innovative and is the only way lore junkies are going to know what's going on around them. Most of the dialogs from doing Diplomacy are funny.
If you don't want to play Vanguard that's your choice. I would not spend money on something I didn't like either. That said, trying to mislead people about a game isn't a very good thing to do. Bugs are a big turn off and some people care, some don't. Also, what isn't finished in Vanguard? I hear that phrase thrown around but no answers as to what's supposed to be there.
Lastly, Vindictiiv, I'm able to get the same fps as you so can we switch computers:
AMD 2000+ cpu
786Mb RAM
9600XT (128Mb) gpu
Just not worth my time anymore.
Obviously you can read so it must be your reading comprehension that is below the necessary level. What I said pertained to the actual wait from RELEASE till now for flying mounts. Vanguard JUST RELEASED, and the flying mounts are there so it stands to reason that we judge the came that people are citing against its release as well.
And what exactly was your point behind posting that anyways? I mean really, if it's WoW you want it's WoW you can have. I don't see the draw to point senseless crap on the forums of another game if it isn't the game you want to play. The world is your oyster, go out there and play what you want!
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In WoW, you can fly those mounts anywhere in the game right? In Vanguard you can get a flying mount and fly to anywhere in any direction, including up and down. I'm wondering if it's the same in WoW.
Other games might have a huge world combined IF you connect all the zones and bottlenecks. The biggest continent, Thestra, is said to take 2 hours to go from one coast to the other and no, it's not all filled with monsters and towns. It's not supposed to and that's why you can buy a horse at level 10.
You can say UO started in world player housing and boat building but UO, with all due respect, is a 2D game.
Diplomacy is innovative and is the only way lore junkies are going to know what's going on around them. Most of the dialogs from doing Diplomacy are funny.
If you don't want to play Vanguard that's your choice. I would not spend money on something I didn't like either. That said, trying to mislead people about a game isn't a very good thing to do. Bugs are a big turn off and some people care, some don't. Also, what isn't finished in Vanguard? I hear that phrase thrown around but no answers as to what's supposed to be there.
Lastly, Vindictiiv, I'm able to get the same fps as you so can we switch computers:
AMD 2000+ cpu
786Mb RAM
9600XT (128Mb) gpu
You Vanguard guys are misleading the public about Vanguard not me. Decent Gamers are looking to see a realistic view of this game. Now either you are delusional, work for Sigil or Sony, or have some other motive. In addition, you are misleading game Developers into believing that they can release crap like Vanguard and get a big payday. You are not only doing a disservice to your fellow Gamers you are doing a disservice to other well made games.
Ask yourselves why Vanguard will not release their sales and subscription numbers. If Vanguard was truly a great game all the negativety surrounding it would not matter. People would still play it. By the end of this year you will understand when Vanguard will be known as one of the biggest failures in the gaming industry. As I am not a nice person, I will rub it in your face as a post on these forums with one phase:
Told ya So!
They were in beta.. and buggy.. Has anyone have one of these in live yet?? No! I doubt the quest vendor is even in the game yet.
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In WoW, you can fly those mounts anywhere in the game right? In Vanguard you can get a flying mount and fly to anywhere in any direction, including up and down. I'm wondering if it's the same in WoW.
Other games might have a huge world combined IF you connect all the zones and bottlenecks. The biggest continent, Thestra, is said to take 2 hours to go from one coast to the other and no, it's not all filled with monsters and towns. It's not supposed to and that's why you can buy a horse at level 10.
You can say UO started in world player housing and boat building but UO, with all due respect, is a 2D game.
Diplomacy is innovative and is the only way lore junkies are going to know what's going on around them. Most of the dialogs from doing Diplomacy are funny.
If you don't want to play Vanguard that's your choice. I would not spend money on something I didn't like either. That said, trying to mislead people about a game isn't a very good thing to do. Bugs are a big turn off and some people care, some don't. Also, what isn't finished in Vanguard? I hear that phrase thrown around but no answers as to what's supposed to be there.
Lastly, Vindictiiv, I'm able to get the same fps as you so can we switch computers:
AMD 2000+ cpu
786Mb RAM
9600XT (128Mb) gpu
You Vanguard guys are misleading the public about Vanguard not me. Decent Gamers are looking to see a realistic view of this game. Now either you are delusional, work for Sigil or Sony, or have some other motive. In addition, you are misleading game Developers into believing that they can release crap like Vanguard and get a big payday. You are not only doing a disservice to your fellow Gamers you are doing a disservice to other well made games.
Ask yourselves why Vanguard will not release their sales and subscription numbers. If Vanguard was truly a great game all the negativety surrounding it would not matter. People would still play it. By the end of this year you will understand when Vanguard will be known as one of the biggest failures in the gaming industry. As I am not a nice person, I will rub it in your face as a post on these forums with one phase:
Told ya So!
And when your report card comes in and your parents finally face the fact that you are stupid I will send them a card, and some flowers because it must be hard to know that the fruit of your genetic labors turned out to be an idiot. I AM a nice guy, I don't work for Sigil/SOE, and I don't play Vanguard. I just reply to any posts that need replying to.
2. "get out of it's forums" - disagree 100%.
This is not some kind of 'official' forum for vanguard... this is a forum where people talk about vanguard whether they play it or not. If you want a forum where your statement is true, then petition sigil/soe to give you an official forum. Otherwise, you are living on the street, 'bowling on the sidewalk', and sigil has abandoned you to discuss your game in public.... so expect to get spit on frequently.