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Vanguard - An old timer rant

black9iceblack9ice Member UncommonPosts: 154
in Vanguard: Saga of Heroes

First note I have played every mmo since I started early on with EQ1.  I have been through many releases and even play tested games professionally.  I have been a computer professional/ gamer most of my life.

First off I can’t express how it makes me sick to continue to see posts all over the web every time a new is released about how bad it is for that person.  I am all about free speech and all, but come on, these posts and people are crazy.  If you have such a hatred for such games or issues with them, please for the sake of all the sane gamers, choose a different hobby.  Through the years I have seen the whole computer gaming trend go through the roof.  I would assume a lot of people are not used to the bugs and issues with computers in general!


I would have never thought in a million years that the whole internet/online gaming would take such a turn for the worst.  I am refering to the people and players.  I dont post anywhere often, make a scene, or discuss much about different games.  I can tell you that I do read different boards often and the quality of posts is starting to make me wonder where peoples heads are at or what type of people they really are in real life.  A sad place to be in as a gamer looking for a new fun game and finding all these crazy posts.

 All that aside and my venting done.  This is a great game and the concept is one of the best I have seen since that UO/EQ1 era.  I have finally gotten that creepy, scared feeling back when playing this game.  It has that level of immersion from the "old" days.  There are bugs; they should be fixed promptly by the devs if Sigil is true to their word and fans.  More importantly their game! 

Do some searching, look around and ignore a lot of these posts.  Try the game, if you dont like it dont play it, plain and simple!  Dont come crying on boards telling people the game wont run well because you have this uber gaming rig and you really have an old PIII machine with a 16mb TNT card.  Upgrades are part of computer gaming, always have been, always will be!!!!

Do I have faith? Some.   Can I see the long term ideas and goals of the devs, yes.  The game is not as bad as the crazy people make it out to be.  Word of advise, if some one gets so upset by the game and feels they need to troll or rant about it there is most likely something wrong with that person or their life .

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  • TallynTallyn Member UncommonPosts: 217
    Originally posted by black9ice


    Can I see the long term ideas and goals of the devs, yes.  The game is not as bad as the crazy people make it out to be.  Word of advise, if some one gets so upset by the game and feels they need to troll or rant about it there is most likely something wrong with that person or their life .

    Well said sir, well said.
  • PraxusPraxus Member Posts: 266
    Yeah, well said.



    " I have finally gotten that creepy, scared feeling back when playing this game"



    Exactly! I get emotional reactions playing I haven't felt since EQ. A lot of that is the death penalty I think.

    Deaths with basically no penalty like WoW just make the game more frivolous. if I die in Vanguard I get pissed!

    But I'm motivated to play well and take some care.



    Plus when you get a nice drop in Vanguard it actually means something. Unlike WoW where so much loot drops it all has to be soulbound.
  • WerppaWerppa Member Posts: 211

     

    Originally posted by Tallyn

    Originally posted by black9ice


    Can I see the long term ideas and goals of the devs, yes.  The game is not as bad as the crazy people make it out to be.  Word of advise, if some one gets so upset by the game and feels they need to troll or rant about it there is most likely something wrong with that person or their life .

    Well said sir, well said.

    indeed, very well said.

    "I actually cook my meat with nothing but my burning hatred for vegetables"

  • velksvelks Member Posts: 33
    Amen! On all accounts!
  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630

    I am also an old timer. Hell, I played pong when it was new. I schlepped to the mall with a bag of quarters to play at the arcade - games like Asteroids, William's Defender, Joust, you name it.  I was there for EQ pre-Luclin, and I have played pretty much everything since, either at launch or in beta.

    And I say this one is crap! I can elaborate on that, but frankly despite your rant about the lack of detail in other people's posts you really have little to say in support of the game other than your dislike of people who disagree with you.

    There is nothing in Vanguard that makes it a preferred game for "old timers". It's just another buggy grindfest, content light, for people who want to sink lots of time into a game and call that skill lol.

    EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests

  • ViktaalViktaal Member Posts: 78
    Originally posted by Amathe


    I am also an old timer. Hell, I played pong when it was new. I schlepped to the mall with a bag of quarters to play at the arcade - games like Asteroids, William's Defender, Joust, you name it.  I was there for EQ pre-Luclin, and I have played pretty much everything since, either at launch or in beta.
    And I say this one is crap! I can elaborate on that, but frankly despite your rant about the lack of detail in other people's posts you really have little to say in support of the game other than your dislike of people who disagree with you.
    There is nothing in Vanguard that makes it a preferred game for "old timers". It's just the same old, same old; just not executed very well.
    QFT
  • TacolaTacola Member CommonPosts: 263
    Originally posted by Amathe


    I am also an old timer. Hell, I played pong when it was new. I schlepped to the mall with a bag of quarters to play at the arcade - games like Asteroids, William's Defender, Joust, you name it.  I was there for EQ pre-Luclin, and I have played pretty much everything since, either at launch or in beta.
    And I say this one is crap! I can elaborate on that, but frankly despite your rant about the lack of detail in other people's posts you really have little to say in support of the game other than your dislike of people who disagree with you.
    There is nothing in Vanguard that makes it a preferred game for "old timers". It's just another buggy grindfest, content light, for people who want to sink lots of time into a game and call that skill lol.
    Joust FTW!!!
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  • airheadairhead Member UncommonPosts: 718
    lol... these threads are just... entertaining. How sick am I ?



    But Question: If I was to perform a computer software assisted language-usage analysis on the OP's post, (only 1 ever made btw), would I find that it's really Copeland or Blurr just making a new login and trolling?
  • black9iceblack9ice Member UncommonPosts: 154

    Amathe,

    "And I say this one is crap! I can elaborate on that, but frankly despite your rant about the lack of detail in other people's posts you really have little to say in support of the game other than your dislike of people who disagree with you. "

    I dont think that is or was my point of the whole post.  Reading comprehension is obviously at a decline now days.

    There is nothing in Vanguard that makes it a preferred game for "old timers". It's just another buggy grindfest, content light, for people who want to sink lots of time into a game and call that skill lol.

    Do you even go through quest dialog?  This is an RPG!

    Solareus,

    You have completely given proof to my point contained in my post.

    Airhead,

    Pretty sick indeed, my account on mmorpg.com is from 2004, do some research before you make yourself look like a jester!

  • smg77smg77 Member Posts: 672
    Originally posted by Praxus

    Yeah, well said.



    " I have finally gotten that creepy, scared feeling back when playing this game"



    Exactly! I get emotional reactions playing I haven't felt since EQ. A lot of that is the death penalty I think.

    Deaths with basically no penalty like WoW just make the game more frivolous. if I die in Vanguard I get pissed!

    But I'm motivated to play well and take some care.



    Plus when you get a nice drop in Vanguard it actually means something. Unlike WoW where so much loot drops it all has to be soulbound.



    Ha! I got that creepy, scared feeling when I found out that Sigil was getting into bed with SOE.
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  • BigMangoBigMango Member UncommonPosts: 1,821
    Originally posted by solareus



    your post does'nt justify :

    1. bad game design

    2. bad character design

    3.bad character animation

    4.bad spell effects

    5. bad combat effects

    6. bad dialog

    7. bad animation hit effects

    8. bad all around support

    9. bad world concept.

    10. anyone who thinks it is a person problem to upgrade their pc's just to play Your Title is insanely out of touch with today's gamer and today economy.



    those are just a few points , if you dig you can read my thoughts in my review.



    I also want to say if that is the way your feel about the game then you belong in it, cause the bottom line you have no idea what could be a great innovation to gaming and are only concerned in a formn of status, that You can play vanguard cause you have a awsome pc , you can pay for online gold sales , you can pay for powerleveling . You are what we are pissed off about and you can ..... well  ...


    Owla... what a poor post. Get a life dude.



    On day you will learn to realize that if you don't like something or have a problem with something not necessarily everyone will have to be in the same situation.



    I won't comment on you other points as you don't like them, so you don't and no one will change this for you. Regarding the PC upgrade, it's just as the OP said. I.ex EQ2 came out in 2004 and (apart from the fact that it was a fiasco at launch until they changed many of the game's mechanics) no one could play it at max settings until summer 2006. There were performance rants all over. Nothing new there, you can rant how much you want it won't change what has been for the past 20 years.



    I am playing the game with a gfx card that will soon be 2 years old, at max settings with 16x aniso (the dual core definitely helps); as the OP said, play a game that was made for your P III, there is no point in ranting here over and over again.
  • black9iceblack9ice Member UncommonPosts: 154

    I see my there was truth to my post about the trollz and doomsayers.  My post and the replys that followed re-enforce my point to a degree which is plain and simply utterly demoralizing to the human race.  It amazes me people make it in socetiy and life and act in such a manner.

    BTW I am looking for my usb flash drive in my desk drawer.  It contains the sword of 1000 truths, i need this to slay your uber self!

  • StoneysilencStoneysilenc Member Posts: 369

    I have a car for sale for $20k.  Send me the check for $20k and I will mail the car to you piece by piece over the next ten years.  But this car has potential and will look awesome!  So go ahead and pay me now so I can finish designing it.

    Thanks!

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  • BigMangoBigMango Member UncommonPosts: 1,821
    Originally posted by Stoneysilenc


    I have a car for sale for $20k.  Send me the check for $20k and I will mail the car to you piece by piece over the next ten years.  But this car has potential and will look awesome!  So go ahead and pay me now so I can finish designing it.
    Thanks!
    I agree with you, at release a game should be finished and polished. This does not only concern Vanguard, it's what is happening to too many of the released games today. There was no MMORPG that was finished and bug free at launch, and even single player games are following suit today. If you want to take a look at a recent game release go check out the Gothic 3 forums and you will see what I am talking about.



    So yes, but today there is no other MMORPG that is as complete as VG, so even with its flaws this game is awesome for me and I know it will only get better.
  • black9iceblack9ice Member UncommonPosts: 154

    Stone,

    Your analogy makes sense but does not fit into the IT industry as a whole.  The whole concept for a very long time has been to spoon feed people.  Besides, the whole mmo industry is based on that ideal.  It does not compute to a vast number of people.  Sometimes I have a hard time with it myself. 

    People see games that come out with bad graphics (I wont type those 3 letters here), and expect eveything else to play as smooth on their 1995 hardware.  MMO's are beasts, years to code and write dialog.  Single player games take nearly half the time.  Money runs out, investors need returns, etc...  Besides, best testing is done with any live software roll out.

  • smg77smg77 Member Posts: 672
    Originally posted by solareus

    o ok , u are the obi wan of loving shit then , my apoolgies. It is like you are those one all be all kind of people who think just because you type something your supposed to be rectified and legit. GET A CLUE , this is the intraweb , noone cares if you played pong and sit infront of your pc in diapers cause your this big bad hardcore freak , dude I am pc gamer , i owned a ti99 , before I owned a console. Get a grip on your ego dude cause it is very much your weakest part of your being.
    Your flames would be much more effective if they were in English. Apoolgies? lol
  • BigMangoBigMango Member UncommonPosts: 1,821
    Originally posted by solareus

    your post , OP can be summoned up to this:



    Who Cares Wins .
    One day you will grow up, kid. And then you will realize that you are not alone and that everyone can have an opinion.


  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,938
    Originally posted by black9ice


    First note I have played every mmo since I started early on with EQ1.  I have been through many releases and even play tested games professionally.  I have been a computer professional/ gamer most of my life.
    First off I can’t express how it makes me sick to continue to see posts all over the web every time a new is released about how bad it is for that person.  I am all about free speech and all, but come on, these posts and people are crazy.  If you have such a hatred for such games or issues with them, please for the sake of all the sane gamers, choose a different hobby.  Through the years I have seen the whole computer gaming trend go through the roof.  I would assume a lot of people are not used to the bugs and issues with computers in general!

    I would have never thought in a million years that the whole internet/online gaming would take such a turn for the worst.  I am refering to the people and players.  I dont post anywhere often, make a scene, or discuss much about different games.  I can tell you that I do read different boards often and the quality of posts is starting to make me wonder where peoples heads are at or what type of people they really are in real life.  A sad place to be in as a gamer looking for a new fun game and finding all these crazy posts.

     All that aside and my venting done.  This is a great game and the concept is one of the best I have seen since that UO/EQ1 era.  I have finally gotten that creepy, scared feeling back when playing this game.  It has that level of immersion from the "old" days.  There are bugs; they should be fixed promptly by the devs if Sigil is true to their word and fans.  More importantly their game! 
    Do some searching, look around and ignore a lot of these posts.  Try the game, if you dont like it dont play it, plain and simple!  Dont come crying on boards telling people the game wont run well because you have this uber gaming rig and you really have an old PIII machine with a 16mb TNT card.  Upgrades are part of computer gaming, always have been, always will be!!!!
    Do I have faith? Some.   Can I see the long term ideas and goals of the devs, yes.  The game is not as bad as the crazy people make it out to be.  Word of advise, if some one gets so upset by the game and feels they need to troll or rant about it there is most likely something wrong with that person or their life .

     

    It's so nice to see a post by an adult. Thank you so much. Was a breath of fresh air. I've had the same feeling lately. Nothing but complaining and moaning and these grand "I'm quitting posts, here's why" that seem to come from some dark and unstable place.

    Would that there were more like you.

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  • smg77smg77 Member Posts: 672
    Originally posted by Sovrat
     

    It's so nice to see a post by an adult. Thank you so much. Was a breath of fresh air. I've had the same feeling lately. Nothing but complaining and moaning and these grand "I'm quitting posts, here's why" that seem to come from some dark and unstable place.
    Would that there were more like you.


    Why are the fanboys so desperately worried about the negativity? The game has only been out a couple of weeks so you can't be *that* emotionally attached to it. Must be coming from some dark and unstable place.
  • airheadairhead Member UncommonPosts: 718
    Originally posted by black9ice



    Airhead,
    Pretty sick indeed, my account on mmorpg.com is from 2004, do some research before you make yourself look like a jester!
    lol....  ok. So I missed that one big time. +1 for black9ice, 0 for dumb-dumb.



    But let me get this straight....you joined in 2004, spent more time gaming instead of forum-talking, but got sufficiently inspired by the flaming on this particular forum and game to break a 3-year act of silence?   I mean, there's been haters and fanbois for all games for a long time (I'm an old-timer too, age on popup is legit)....



    So why the post now? What is it about this game and this forum now that would get you started posting?



    P.S. I really want to know and I'm really interested in your answer... not jesting at all right now...
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