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NYT article about Vanguard
dimmit77
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New York times article about Vanguard. Good read, tells a lot about where this game comes from and where its heading.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/07/arts/11schi.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&ref=arts&oref=slogin
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How many people, honestly, buy a newspaper to read about a video game?
Just my 2 cents. If I want to read about games, I'd use the internet or a gaming magazine.
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Your bias against Vanguard is now bordering on the clueless. It's NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT!!!!!!
Great article, thanks for posting it. I love the honesty with which Brad admits the game is unfinished. It will only get better and it's already my favorite so far.
Seems the genre gets more and more close to be widely accepted like other toys. There's definitely a trend if you look around which TV or print media publishers or magazines are picking up the topic along gamer oriented media, print and online.
Just come to think about the offices print media news mags set up in Second Life for example among other brands.
Every business man should learn somethign from Brad.
"Hey where are the tyres of my new Ferrari?"
"Dear sir, we will deliver tyres to you next month, for now enjoy the leathers seats and beautiful interiors"
Every business man should learn somethign from Brad.
"Hey where are the tyres of my new Ferrari?"
"Dear sir, we will deliver tyres to you next month, for now enjoy the leathers seats and beautiful interiors"
Hehe welcome to the world of computer gaming. I dont think I have played a finished computer game since defender of the crown.Still Vanguard is very playbable even at its current state without being irritating to the player. If you want to play a truly unfinished game try Gothic 3 or Medieval total war 2 the two games I bought before Vanguard.
Every business man should learn somethign from Brad.
"Hey where are the tyres of my new Ferrari?"
"Dear sir, we will deliver tyres to you next month, for now enjoy the leathers seats and beautiful interiors"
ROFL
Your bias against Vanguard is now bordering on the clueless. It's NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT!!!!!!
Great article, thanks for posting it. I love the honesty with which Brad admits the game is unfinished. It will only get better and it's already my favorite so far.
Ok, if you possess no ability whatsoever to read between the lines, that's your agenda, not mine.
However, using phrases like "a gamer's game" is marketing.
Your bias towards Vanguard being the best MMORPG out there blinds you to the obvious.
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In the end he may have good cause to be upbeat. “In some ways this is just the beginning of a long journey,” Mr. McQuaid said. “People ask me, ‘Are you launching a finished game?’ And the answer is no, we’re launching a game that is good enough to launch, but it’s not finished. And that’s why I love these games: because they should never be finished.”
So the quetstion is, is Brad's "Good enough to launch" good enough for you?
"As the years passed and the price tag neared $20 million, Microsoft began to lose patience with Mr. McQuaid, who insisted on adding more virtual landscape and other features to the game. By 2005 Microsoft was focused on introducing the Xbox 360 console and was looking for someone to take Vanguard off its hands. (Microsoft representatives declined to discuss the matter in detail.)"
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/07/arts/11schi.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=arts
The artical is semi interesting read about how eq got started.But most interesting quote .
"Both Mr. McQuaid and Sony acknowledge that Vanguard is still rough around the edges and that they pushed it out the door basically because the money ran out. "
Will this stop the rumor of microsoft trying to make them put vanguard vista an or xbox 360 exclusive?Probly not they ignored it was debunked here http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3794
by Aradune Mithara
Sigil Games Online
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False rumor. So also is the one where they wanted us to make it Xbox 360.
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Brad McQuaid
Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
www.vanguardsoh.com / www.sigil.com
Some people will make their 16 posts a day mostly pro Vanguard .Attacking any one who even posts what their own people say about the game.Vanguard for them is a game of promise an hope that it will get better.A simple matter of faith.
*edit* made the links right just in case some one wanted to read.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." Robert E. Howard, The Tower of the Elephant (1933)
Your bias against Vanguard is now bordering on the clueless. It's NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT!!!!!!
Great article, thanks for posting it. I love the honesty with which Brad admits the game is unfinished. It will only get better and it's already my favorite so far.
Ok, if you possess no ability whatsoever to read between the lines, that's your agenda, not mine.
However, using phrases like "a gamer's game" is marketing.
Your bias towards Vanguard being the best MMORPG out there blinds you to the obvious. I think that Brad probably granted the interview and/or the article write-up to appeal to the older/mature gamer. At the top of the article it did say that the article would appear in the Art/Leisure area of the NYT..
There's already been a lot of advertising for Vanguard in the typical genre related areas: gaming magazines, internet sites, blogs, software stores, etc. I think it's these more main-stream media outlets that allow a game to garner a newer demographic that might not necessarily visit the more traditional gaming advertising media outlets.
So, if Brad is really serious about wanting to reach out to more than just a niche market; it should be no surprise to see articles or even advertising about Vanguard in such non-typical gaming venues as the New York Times.
Well, that's my 2 cents on it anyway.
They need to keep a lower profile, hammer out bug fixes and stability before advertising.
Your bias against Vanguard is now bordering on the clueless. It's NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT!!!!!!
Great article, thanks for posting it. I love the honesty with which Brad admits the game is unfinished. It will only get better and it's already my favorite so far.
Ok, if you possess no ability whatsoever to read between the lines, that's your agenda, not mine.
However, using phrases like "a gamer's game" is marketing.
Your bias towards Vanguard being the best MMORPG out there blinds you to the obvious. I think that Brad probably granted the interview and/or the article write-up to appeal to the older/mature gamer. At the top of the article it did say that the article would appear in the Art/Leisure area of the NYT..
There's already been a lot of advertising for Vanguard in the typical genre related areas: gaming magazines, internet sites, blogs, software stores, etc. I think it's these more main-stream media outlets that allow a game to garner a newer demographic that might not necessarily visit the more traditional gaming advertising media outlets.
So, if Brad is really serious about wanting to reach out to more than just a niche market; it should be no surprise to see articles or even advertising about Vanguard in such non-typical gaming venues as the New York Times.
Well, that's my 2 cents on it anyway.
That's a distinct possibility.
I'd imagine anyone who was following Vanguard has already made up their mind by this point, done their research, etc etc.
On the other hand, there could be some non-serious gamers out there, likely older folks, looking for something to bide their time. Maybe McQuaid is shooting for this demographic; one that's often ignored by games in today's market.
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Considering that this is a Forum dedicated to Vanguard; which is worse?
Where exactly would you have the "Vanbois" post their messages here at MMORPG.com? The WoW forum? The EVE forum? No, the "Vanbois" are in the right forum.
Granted sometimes their message is a bit over the top, but you can't say that at least some of it is unprovoked. And, I ask again. Where exactly should these supporters of Vanguard be posting here at MMORPG.com if they can't post in the Vanguard forum?
- How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?
- I don't know, but some people without brains do an awful lot of talking, don't they?
Hmm That does make sense. He's been absent from some time now the game went live. Just like some congress people after being elected.. Hmm!!
I'm kind of on the fance about the article myself.
On one I'm downright insulted that Brad, who touted so much that this would be a different company making a different game, actually has the balls to feed us bullshit lines like: "These games should never be done" and the like. WHAT A CROCK !!! There's a difference between production value and downright shitty design Brad, you'd think you would know the difference by now?
But then on the other hand, I have to give him some props that they kept the BS to a minimum. I mean... they managed to get through an article while bringing up WoW only once, which for Brad, is a pretty good.
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Your bias against Vanguard is now bordering on the clueless. It's NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT!!!!!!
Great article, thanks for posting it. I love the honesty with which Brad admits the game is unfinished. It will only get better and it's already my favorite so far.
Ok, if you possess no ability whatsoever to read between the lines, that's your agenda, not mine.
However, using phrases like "a gamer's game" is marketing.
Your bias towards Vanguard being the best MMORPG out there blinds you to the obvious.
This is the new york times honey, not the weekly world news.
Your bias against Vanguard is now bordering on the clueless. It's NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT!!!!!!
Great article, thanks for posting it. I love the honesty with which Brad admits the game is unfinished. It will only get better and it's already my favorite so far.
Ok, if you possess no ability whatsoever to read between the lines, that's your agenda, not mine.
However, using phrases like "a gamer's game" is marketing.
Your bias towards Vanguard being the best MMORPG out there blinds you to the obvious.
This is the new york times honey, not the weekly world news.
Heh, Brad McQuaid is Big Foot and Hilarly Clinton's love child. Bat boy coded Vanguard. hehe
Nooo it was the 300 lb. baby that coded Vanguard.
Nooo it was the 300 lb. baby that coded Vanguard.
Heh, Well I guess they are 50 percent right on thing. lol! Love those supermarket ragsYour bias against Vanguard is now bordering on the clueless. It's NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT!!!!!!
Great article, thanks for posting it. I love the honesty with which Brad admits the game is unfinished. It will only get better and it's already my favorite so far.
Ok, if you possess no ability whatsoever to read between the lines, that's your agenda, not mine.
However, using phrases like "a gamer's game" is marketing.
Your bias towards Vanguard being the best MMORPG out there blinds you to the obvious.
This is the new york times honey, not the weekly world news.
I don't see your point.
Are we trying to say that people would take the Weekly World News more seriously as a medium for advertisement?
As other users said, the NYT is a big fish; get your name in there, and you've pretty much got some instant publicity that's worth a damn.
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Great article. It forified my belief in Brad and Sigil. It was also cool to learn Sigil comes from Brad's guild in the old text MUDs. The guild's name was Crimson Sigil. I especially appreciate the following from that article:
“In the last six weeks there have definitely been people sleeping here,” Mr. McQuaid said. “Come in at 3 a.m. on the weekends and there are programmers quashing bugs, people working on server issues.”
"But we’ve had people here 24 hours a day for a while now. I don’t think we’ve had to turn on the alarm system in two months.”
Now THAT is dedication. Keep up the good word, Brad. Your little baby here (VG) is a winner and will make a good return on investment!
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
Opinion/rumor/lies reported as fact is worse in these boards to answer your question.Your own Fanguard is puting missinformation on not only these boards./shrug look around diffrent boards past week their not posts but advertisments.Care to check out other boards before you make that claim that the vanbois are in the right forum?
Some are posting in reply to the miss information,mistaken or opinion based as fact.Then again their are people who do like to twink little red tomoto noses as bugs bunny would say.On the fan sites players are far more balanced than Fanguard here.
Sorry opinion/rumor presented as fact is far worse for Vanguard or any game.Out right lies well after the spin dies down,they kill faith for those paying to play hopeing it will get better.The more this goes on the less people who are waiting for the um construction dust to settle will play.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." Robert E. Howard, The Tower of the Elephant (1933)