Wow, Performance just not happening

Deathstrike2

Okay, so I was playing VG with this Setup:

2.2 ghz AMD 4200+

2 Gigs Ram

7600GS NVidia

I was getting around 15-20 FPS on Balanced.  So, I decided to upgrade.  I built a whole new system last night consisting of:

MSI P965 NEO Motherboard

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4 ghz w 4 meg L2 Cache

Strider 600W 4 Rail Powersupply

PNY Nvidia 8800 GTX Performance Series

2 Megs Dual Channel DDR Ram

Sound Blaster Audigy 24 bit Soundcard

160 GB Segate SATA II HD

Windows XP Pro

I log in and on Balanced, I'm bouncing between 27-31ish FPS on freaking balanced out of town.  I have read here about people hitting 100 FPS in the wild, but I'm not seeing it. 

So, if any of you have a comparable system to mine, how are you getting better frame rates?  What's the secret?  Is anyone really hitting 80-100 FPS or are they just blowing smoke? 

 

cupertino

VG is not am MMO, its trick by Nvidia and ATI to fool people into upgrading ther video cards.

Lukain

Originally posted by Deathstrike2


 

 
I log in and on Balanced, I'm bouncing between 27-31ish FPS on freaking balanced out of town.  I have read here about people hitting 100 FPS in the wild, but I'm not seeing it. 

100fps LOL thats the funniest thing this year . only 100fps there getting is with there crack pipe  ,  lol thanks man  you made my day

 

 

spikenog

Originally posted by cupertino

VG is not am MMO, its trick by Nvidia and ATI to fool people into upgrading ther video cards.

QFT

Fignar

Nah dude those people getting 100fps are most likely playing with crappy GFX settings and really really low resolutions 1024x768 which don't utilise your GFX card to it's potential.



Try this bump all the settings up to max and see what you get if your getting about 20 to 30 fps and you don't lag when you get lots of people on your screen or NPC's etc then dude be happy because this is an MMO and fps means jack all as long as it doesn't dipp below 20.



Remember do you wanna play at a crappy res with crappy settings so Vanguard looks average just to get 70 to 100fps or do you want to play the game so it actually looks nice and is playable. Remember 30fps in a MMO with your settings on half decent,  provided you don't lag or start having performance issues when multiple NPC's or PC appear on screen is ace.



I have a feeling that they will start patching the game so performance improves after they have fixed the bugs and balancing issues. So for now just enjoy the game and don't worry.

Deathstrike2

Originally posted by Fignar

Nah dude those people getting 100fps are most likely playing with crappy GFX settings and really really low resolutions 1024x768 which don't utilise your GFX card to it's potential.



Try this bump all the settings up to max and see what you get if your getting about 20 to 30 fps and you don't lag when you get lots of people on your screen or NPC's etc then dude be happy because this is an MMO and fps means jack all as long as it doesn't dipp below 20.



Remember do you wanna play at a crappy res with crappy settings so Vanguard looks average just to get 70 to 100fps or do you want to play the game so it actually looks nice and is playable. Remember 30fps in a MMO with your settings on half decent,  provided you don't lag or start having performance issues when multiple NPC's or PC appear on screen is ace.

That's the thing.  If it was a smooth 30 fps, I wouldn't care.  Instead, it's somewhat choppy when only 1 or 2 other people are around me.  I would have thought that the upgrade would have boosted my performance a lot more than what it did.  I even disabled the clouds and minmap and still I feel like I'm getting mediocre performance at best.  Oh well, they'll either fix the game performance soon or something else will catch my eye and at least now, I feel like I can play most games (i.e., any game but VG as it currently is) with no worry of performance issues. 

Anywho, thanks for the reply.

ozomatli

Hi Deathstrike,



Wow I can't believe you upgraded your current 4200+ system! That seems pretty sweet to me. Maybe you could have just upgraded your graphics card with that system? I have a amd 3000+, 1.5 ram, 6800gt agp and can run balanced ok with shadows turned off.

FrostWyrm

Water cooled Intel QX6700 OC'd 3.9GHz - 4GB Corsair Dominator RAM - EVGA 680i SLI Mobo - 2x EVGA 8800GTX in SLI - Dell 2407WFP Flat Panel LCD 24" 1920x1200

Showoff. Just for that I hope the next time you go to McDonalds your fries are cold and they give you a hard time about returning them because they're probably franchised and have to skimp on supplies because they dont have corporate money backing them and probably an incompetant staff consisting primarily of highschool dropouts and washed-up former child actors who hate their lives and only do the minimum that's required of them to remain employed since they dont care anyway about their boss, their coworkers, or you, the customer, and your really nice PC I wish I had but I dont so I cursed your fries....*cough*.



I dont know where I was going with that, but if I did, you'd better believe I'd be frightened by it.

matraque

Originally posted by Deathstrike2


Okay, so I was playing VG with this Setup:
2.2 ghz AMD 4200+
2 Gigs Ram
7600GS NVidia
I was getting around 15-20 FPS on Balanced.  So, I decided to upgrade.  I built a whole new system last night consisting of:
MSI P965 NEO Motherboard
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4 ghz w 4 meg L2 Cache
Strider 600W 4 Rail Powersupply
PNY Nvidia 8800 GTX Performance Series
2 Megs Dual Channel DDR Ram
Sound Blaster Audigy 24 bit Soundcard
160 GB Segate SATA II HD
Windows XP Pro
I log in and on Balanced, I'm bouncing between 27-31ish FPS on freaking balanced out of town.  I have read here about people hitting 100 FPS in the wild, but I'm not seeing it. 
So, if any of you have a comparable system to mine, how are you getting better frame rates?  What's the secret?  Is anyone really hitting 80-100 FPS or are they just blowing smoke? 
 

You don't need 100fps!!!



I just got out of a cave (another infestation problem) with tons of people in it and i was at 20fps.  Everything was smooth, no lag at all.



6300 core 2 duo

2g DDR2

80 maxtor IDE

ATI X1300 512 agp (overclocked)

ItlanChode

First of all, bad choice on the CPU. Second, the 8800 GTX doesn't seem to agree with Vanguard at the moment.  Performance should increase for you eventually, but I can't honestly say when.

matraque

Originally posted by ItlanChode

First of all, bad choice on the CPU. Second, the 8800 GTX doesn't seem to agree with Vanguard at the moment.  Performance should increase for you eventually, but I can't honestly say when.

CPU is fine

Andir

I noticed during Beta if I swapped hardware, the best thing to do was go in and set defaults to one of the settings.  Try it out. If that doesn't work, some of the INI tweaks will actually make the game look and perform better.  There's a thread at the top with some good tweaks in it.

redelf07

Originally posted by ItlanChode

First of all, bad choice on the CPU. Second, the 8800 GTX doesn't seem to agree with Vanguard at the moment.  Performance should increase for you eventually, but I can't honestly say when.

My point exactly! You should have down-graded to an AMD Sempron 64 2800+. Only then would you be dumbfounded by the amount of fps you were recieving.









Please, do us all a favor and never post again. Ever. Please?

Trialdi

I run the game on highest settings and get anywhere from 15-70 FPS.

15 FPS in Khal crafting forum and up to about 70 out in the wilds.

Although after the last patch (or perhaps the one before that) the game seems to take a dive more often into the lower rates.



System specs:

AMD 4800+ X2

1GB RAM

Nvidia 7950GT

redelf07

Originally posted by Trialdi

I run the game on highest settings and get anywhere from 15-70 FPS.

15 FPS in Khal crafting forum and up to about 70 out in the wilds.

Although after the last patch (or perhaps the one before that) the game seems to take a dive more often into the lower rates.



System specs:

AMD 4800+ X2

1GB RAM

Nvidia 7950GT

What resolution do you play at?

Trialdi

Originally posted by redelf07

Originally posted by Trialdi

I run the game on highest settings and get anywhere from 15-70 FPS.

15 FPS in Khal crafting forum and up to about 70 out in the wilds.

Although after the last patch (or perhaps the one before that) the game seems to take a dive more often into the lower rates.



System specs:

AMD 4800+ X2

1GB RAM

Nvidia 7950GT

What resolution do you play at? Hmm, that's one thing I forgot.

I only run it at 1280x960 because the monitor doesn't go any higher.

Fignar

Do you also play with HDR, Bloom and the other setting on aswell?

Trialdi

Originally posted by Fignar

Do you also play with HDR, Bloom and the other setting on aswell?

 HDR, Bloom and tone mapping are enabled.

Other settings are at default Highest quality.

Kien

I have the E6600 and the 8800GTS. Outside of town, I get FPS in the 50s and 60s. In areas with very simple environments, I can get 100+ FPS. Inside town, FPS drops down between 0-30FPS. I play on Balanced, and I didn't do anything special with my settings.

Allerum

I have 22 fps EVERYWHERE, people onscreen dosn't matter, Tweaked InI to cache bigger, runing on highest quality, with super quality world settings.



So my fps dosn't jump it just stays still around 22.



7950gx2

2.13 c2d

2 gb pc6400 ocz plat.

600w

Deathstrike2

Originally posted by ozomatli

Hi Deathstrike,



Wow I can't believe you upgraded your current 4200+ system! That seems pretty sweet to me. Maybe you could have just upgraded your graphics card with that system? I have a amd 3000+, 1.5 ram, 6800gt agp and can run balanced ok with shadows turned off.

Funny story.  My 4200 is a Gateway GM5072.  I did just buy the powersupply and 8800 first, but when I got it home, I found that the Nvidia card would not fit in the case with the Gateway motherboard.  ARGH!  So I said what the heck, and just built what I wanted to begin with. 

BigMango

Originally posted by Lukain

Originally posted by Deathstrike2


 

 
I log in and on Balanced, I'm bouncing between 27-31ish FPS on freaking balanced out of town.  I have read here about people hitting 100 FPS in the wild, but I'm not seeing it. 

100fps LOL thats the funniest thing this year . only 100fps there getting is with there crack pipe  ,  lol thanks man  you made my day

 

 

Nah.... 100 Fps easy... at the character customization screen

BigMango

Originally posted by ItlanChode

First of all, bad choice on the CPU. Second, the 8800 GTX doesn't seem to agree with Vanguard at the moment.  Performance should increase for you eventually, but I can't honestly say when.

BS, core2duo is the best on the market today, only surpassed by the c2quad. I have however often heard about people with fps problems in VG with the nv8800.



To the OP, I'm on a c2d6400@3ghz, 2gb corsair, ati x1900xt-512, with all settings maxed out, and shaders 3 and everything that improves quality enabled in vgclient.ini.



With anisotropic 16x I get 20 to 35 FPS (24fps average), without aniso 30 to 50 FPS.



This game is very smooth at low fps, I don't see any difference between 20 and 50 Fps. I have also seen it on slower computers, everything above 15fps is fine.

Deathstrike2

Originally posted by matraque

Originally posted by Deathstrike2


Okay, so I was playing VG with this Setup:
2.2 ghz AMD 4200+
2 Gigs Ram
7600GS NVidia
I was getting around 15-20 FPS on Balanced.  So, I decided to upgrade.  I built a whole new system last night consisting of:
MSI P965 NEO Motherboard
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4 ghz w 4 meg L2 Cache
Strider 600W 4 Rail Powersupply
PNY Nvidia 8800 GTX Performance Series
2 Megs Dual Channel DDR Ram
Sound Blaster Audigy 24 bit Soundcard
160 GB Segate SATA II HD
Windows XP Pro
I log in and on Balanced, I'm bouncing between 27-31ish FPS on freaking balanced out of town.  I have read here about people hitting 100 FPS in the wild, but I'm not seeing it. 
So, if any of you have a comparable system to mine, how are you getting better frame rates?  What's the secret?  Is anyone really hitting 80-100 FPS or are they just blowing smoke? 
 

You don't need 100fps!!!



I just got out of a cave (another infestation problem) with tons of people in it and i was at 20fps.  Everything was smooth, no lag at all.



6300 core 2 duo

2g DDR2

80 maxtor IDE

ATI X1300 512 agp (overclocked)

Again, if it was smooth, I wouldn't even question it.  Problem is that it's not smooth at all.  And whether or not I need the 100 fps isn't really my point.  I'm concerned that on a setup like this, I'm only getting 5-15 more FPS than on the old set up.  The new setup should be leaving the old one in the dust.  Something just isn't adding up.

Recant

I agree with the one of the above posters about the CPU.  Dual core simply isn't as good for gaming.   I can think of only one game that properly utilizes both cores (and it's faster with single core anyway).  In the future, yes, but Vanguard isn't one of those games.  Vanguard will enjoy more processing power from a 4200 single core than the latest multicore processors out there.



Dual core is amazing for productivity and multitasking, or for games that specifically support it. Not for single-process games like Vanguard.  Vanguard doesn't support multicore.  You'll get faster framerates with dedicated single-core processors.  And you'll find this in 99% of DX9 applications.



And by the way, it's easily possible to get 100fps - go indoors.  Vanguard handles closed interiors extremely well.  It's just the outdoors parts that get kind of choppy.  Btw, choppiness in Vanguard is usually related to disk access speeds and memory bottlenecks, rather than CPU or Graphics card performance.

BigMango

Originally posted by Deathstrike2


Again, if it was smooth, I wouldn't even question it.  Problem is that it's not smooth at all.  And whether or not I need the 100 fps isn't really my point.  I'm concerned that on a setup like this, I'm only getting 5-15 more FPS than on the old set up.  The new setup should be leaving the old one in the dust.  Something just isn't adding up.

Yes, there is definitely something fishy.



How does the game run if you max all the settings out ?