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Vanguard Review - 20%
Stoneysilenc
Member Posts: 369
http://pcgames.gwn.com/reviews/gamereview.php/id/1201/title/Vanguard_Saga_of_Heroes.html
Surprised he even gave it a 20% since he couldn't even get it to run. Guess he rated it 20% for the manual.
*shrug*
Surprised he even gave it a 20% since he couldn't even get it to run. Guess he rated it 20% for the manual.
*shrug*
Comments
A reviewer should know what minimum specs are... guess they are real amateur.
eqnext.wikia.com
And how to review a product you can't play? Well if you buy a car and it has no engine and you can't drive it, you can still review it and say I can't drive it because it has no engine so I am giving it x.
How does a MMO developer release a unfinished game and people still buy it? The review is a unfinished review of a unfinished game. Ironic isn't it? Vanguard like review of Vanguard.
A reviewer should now what minimum specs are... guess they are real amateur.
Except that because of all the bugs, minimum (or even recommended) specs in this game does not necessarily mean that one can run the game. The link isn't working so neither of us can really comment of whether the reviewer had a min spec machine or not.
And how to review a product you can't play? Well if you buy a car and it has no engine and you can't drive it, you can still review it and say I can't drive it because it has no engine so I am giving it x.
How does a MMO developer release a unfinished game and people still buy it? The review is a unfinished review of a unfinished game. Ironic isn't it? Vanguard like review of Vanguard. Amateur...
You need pixel shader to run VG. If you cannot figure out that your Vid Card don't have Pixel Shader... well i call that amateur.
The rest of you comment is useless.
eqnext.wikia.com
And how to review a product you can't play? Well if you buy a car and it has no engine and you can't drive it, you can still review it and say I can't drive it because it has no engine so I am giving it x.
How does a MMO developer release a unfinished game and people still buy it? The review is a unfinished review of a unfinished game. Ironic isn't it? Vanguard like review of Vanguard.
Oh shut up already. I'm so sick of the stupid ass car analogies, be more original cause it's getting damn lame reading posts like this.
IF YOU CAN'T GET VG TO RUN ON YOUR COMP THEN GODDAMNIT LEARN HOW TO UPGRADE YOUR PC!
I tell ya. I am so shocked and awed by the amount of sheer stupidity I've been wittness to in the past couple of weeks that it's starting to depress me. Why do people seem to think that is the developers responcebility to ensure that a piece of software is able to run on older hardware? Why should they not be able to take advantage of the latest technology available to them? Why should I have to suffer with PS2 quality graphics. I wan't to play games that look as good as a PS# or 360; that's what I payed for. I didn't buy a console this year because my PC is capable of more then any of the consoles out. AND I DEMAND DEVELOPERS TO RELEASE SOFTWARE TAHT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE CRAP IN THIS BOX NEXT TO ME AND THE HELL WITH YOU IF YOU CAN'T RUN IT.
120-150 bucks is about what i would cost for a Gfx card that will run VG fine. I recomend the 1300 by ATI or the 7xxx by Nvidia. Either of those cards will do till you can jump to the 7950+ or the 1950+ in the future. If your running a comp with PC busses then you take that to the back yard and burn it; then go to the store and buy an emachine, some ram, and a vid card for your fastest and possible cheapest gameing rig. You'll need about 500 bills for that, or about the cost of a PS3 or 360 with a harddrive. Funny how that works isn't it.
*I am aware that some people are having trouble with cards like the 8800. Vista, 3gb ram, DX10 and an 8800=VG not ready yet. Buggy drives blah blah blah.
And I've had a bad day so my bad.
MINIMUM SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS- Windows® 2000/XP/Vista
- 100% DirectX 9.0c compatible computer
- 100% DirectX compatible keyboard or input device
- Processor 2.4 GHz Intel processor or 2400+ or higher model AMD processor
- 512 MB RAM
- Vertex and Pixel shader 2.0 compatible hardware with 128MB of texture memory
- 100%DirectX compatible sound card
- 56K + Internet Connection
- 16X Speed DVD-ROM
- 20 Gigabytes Hard Drive Space
Copied from EBGames Vanguard page. http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product_id=646264Maybe when they stop putting this as their minimum requirements? There is a reason why Console gaming is taking off and PC gaming is dying. Because you can buy a Xbox360 game and it works and it looks like the pictures on the box. PC? Nope, doesn't always work and alot of the times doesn't look like the box either.
If they want to have super uber graphics then great, but don't put on minimum requirements like the above.
Long time ago I played a buggy sh*ty game called Planetside, at the time I played it was very popular I have a great online memory of a huge battle, hundreds of players all in a masive fight (zerg) for a base, cant remember my computer spec tho I know I was on 64k isdn connection
anyway some guy asked on the foums what kind of computer was needed to run this game at high settings and the idiot dev who replyed said "the computer to run planetside at the highest settings in a large battle has not yet been invented" well, you cant imagine the crying that went on, people wanted blood, better game code.
ofc now I know the poor dev just means the game was future proofed, made to run for very high spec computers so that in a few years it would still look decent and its the same with VG.
Planetside is still running, I wonder if VG will still be going in 5 years time
And how to review a product you can't play? Well if you buy a car and it has no engine and you can't drive it, you can still review it and say I can't drive it because it has no engine so I am giving it x.
How does a MMO developer release a unfinished game and people still buy it? The review is a unfinished review of a unfinished game. Ironic isn't it? Vanguard like review of Vanguard.
Oh shut up already. I'm so sick of the stupid ass car analogies, be more original cause it's getting damn lame reading posts like this.
IF YOU CAN'T GET VG TO RUN ON YOUR COMP THEN GODDAMNIT LEARN HOW TO UPGRADE YOUR PC!
I tell ya. I am so shocked and awed by the amount of sheer stupidity I've been wittness to in the past couple of weeks that it's starting to depress me. Why do people seem to think that is the developers responcebility to ensure that a piece of software is able to run on older hardware? Why should they not be able to take advantage of the latest technology available to them? Why should I have to suffer with PS2 quality graphics. I wan't to play games that look as good as a PS# or 360; that's what I payed for. I didn't buy a console this year because my PC is capable of more then any of the consoles out. AND I DEMAND DEVELOPERS TO RELEASE SOFTWARE TAHT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE CRAP IN THIS BOX NEXT TO ME AND THE HELL WITH YOU IF YOU CAN'T RUN IT.
120-150 bucks is about what i would cost for a Gfx card that will run VG fine. I recomend the 1300 by ATI or the 7xxx by Nvidia. Either of those cards will do till you can jump to the 7950+ or the 1950+ in the future. If your running a comp with PC busses then you take that to the back yard and burn it; then go to the store and buy an emachine, some ram, and a vid card for your fastest and possible cheapest gameing rig. You'll need about 500 bills for that, or about the cost of a PS3 or 360 with a harddrive. Funny how that works isn't it.
*I am aware that some people are having trouble with cards like the 8800. Vista, 3gb ram, DX10 and an 8800=VG not ready yet. Buggy drives blah blah blah.
And I've had a bad day so my bad.
MINIMUM SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS- Windows® 2000/XP/Vista
- 100% DirectX 9.0c compatible computer
- 100% DirectX compatible keyboard or input device
- Processor 2.4 GHz Intel processor or 2400+ or higher model AMD processor
- 512 MB RAM
- Vertex and Pixel shader 2.0 compatible hardware with 128MB of texture memory
- 100%DirectX compatible sound card
- 56K + Internet Connection
- 16X Speed DVD-ROM
- 20 Gigabytes Hard Drive Space
Copied from EBGames Vanguard page. http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product_id=646264Maybe when they stop putting this as their minimum requirements? There is a reason why Console gaming is taking off and PC gaming is dying. Because you can buy a Xbox360 game and it works and it looks like the pictures on the box. PC? Nope, doesn't always work and alot of the times doesn't look like the box either.
If they want to have super uber graphics then great, but don't put on minimum requirements like the above.
And the game will run on min.
Post the part on the box that says something about gameplay experience may change, or somethign like that.
Don't hear anyone making complaints about 56k and that's listed as a min. How many people do you know that still play with 56k? I knew a few when I played CoH and they didn't complain because they got crappy perfomance because they new that they were playing on 56k and if they wanted better then need to "upgrade" to cable or DSL. And I can't imagine what it's like playing VG with 56k when a gig of information needs to be sent to your harddrive.
If you run at the minimum system specs and only get a couple FPS then guess what. The game ran, just not how you would like, and that's your problem. If the game wouldn't load up or do anything from the get go, then bs there's something wrong with your rig somewhere, go find.
Asus P5N32-E SLI Motherboard with Nvidia 680i Chipset
E6600 Core 2 Duo CPU
4GB Kingston Ballistix 800Mhz DDR2 Memory
Evga 8800GTX PCIe Video Card
Soundblaster X-FI Gamer Extreme Fatal1ty Sound Card
Western Digital Caviar 500 GB SATA II 3GB/S Hard Drive
Both Windows XP 64 and Windows Vista 32bit
This game does not run well in High Quality or Balanced Quality and it continually and consistently crashes every 30 minutes. This is a high end system, maybe not bleeding edgte, but certainly better than average. People are not complaining out of their asses just because they don't have a top notch system. If it meets minimum requirments, then Sigil has an obligation to make the game run well on those systems, let alone a high end one.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
This is hands down, all joking aside, the worst experience I have ever had with any video game or tech support group. Even the Public Relations people had no idea which end was up. Honestly, and I say this with the utmost sincerity; if this is how Sony Online and Sigil treat their customers after they spend $50-90 for the game and $15 a month of their hard earned cash, all the while giving no concrete solution to the problem, then what are we paying them for? There is plenty of free-ware on the internet that will cause an equally painful ulcer without the cost.
Because of Sony Online and Sigil's complete disregard for their consumer, I have no choice but to give this game the "worst gaming experience of '07" without even letting the year end. I was heartbroken to experience this. I haven't anticipated a game's release this much since Half Life 2 broke ground. The disappointment I felt was equivalent to a child being let down by his parents. This experience has left a very bitter taste in my mouth, which is compounded by Sony's other failings that have brought me to the conclusion that: The corporate giant doesn't care about its customers. The only thing that was appealing about the game was that the instruction manual was very well written.
The SOE reps even sent this guy the DVD's! Imagine if it was Joe Shmoe gamer having problems, some things never change.
Just so you know, here`s my setup:
6300 core 2 duo
2g DDR2 (667 i think)
X1300 AGP 512mo (read shit)
IDE 40go hard drive
It's not great, but i can live with it. I don't crash every 30 min like you stated so i guess there is something wrong with VG and you setup.
eqnext.wikia.com
AMD Athlon 4400+ X2
512MBs DDR
ATI X700 w/ 256MBs
That processor is about a year old and the video card is around two years old, for referance. Here are my results for the different default settings that it was playable on:
BALANCED: Vaguely playable but not really.
HIGHER PERFORMANCE: Playable but major slowdown in cities or when there are lots of mobs around.
HIGHEST PERFORMANCE: Runs pretty much fine.
Please stop crying. The game works fine.
I think the guy will lose his job.
eqnext.wikia.com
I have the 8800 gtx like you. Probally everything else of yours is better than what i ahve. Its not the game if you getting problems on balanced. On balance the only time it hitches or lags is in built up areas with loads of players. Which happends in most games.
Putting textures on high or highest causes the poor performance. Try leaving those on default and it shouldn't be as bad for you.
I miss DAoC
And how to review a product you can't play? Well if you buy a car and it has no engine and you can't drive it, you can still review it and say I can't drive it because it has no engine so I am giving it x.
How does a MMO developer release a unfinished game and people still buy it? The review is a unfinished review of a unfinished game. Ironic isn't it? Vanguard like review of Vanguard.
Oh shut up already. I'm so sick of the stupid ass car analogies, be more original cause it's getting damn lame reading posts like this.
IF YOU CAN'T GET VG TO RUN ON YOUR COMP THEN GODDAMNIT LEARN HOW TO UPGRADE YOUR PC!
I tell ya. I am so shocked and awed by the amount of sheer stupidity I've been wittness to in the past couple of weeks that it's starting to depress me. Why do people seem to think that is the developers responcebility to ensure that a piece of software is able to run on older hardware? Why should they not be able to take advantage of the latest technology available to them? Why should I have to suffer with PS2 quality graphics. I wan't to play games that look as good as a PS# or 360; that's what I payed for. I didn't buy a console this year because my PC is capable of more then any of the consoles out. AND I DEMAND DEVELOPERS TO RELEASE SOFTWARE TAHT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE CRAP IN THIS BOX NEXT TO ME AND THE HELL WITH YOU IF YOU CAN'T RUN IT.
120-150 bucks is about what i would cost for a Gfx card that will run VG fine. I recomend the 1300 by ATI or the 7xxx by Nvidia. Either of those cards will do till you can jump to the 7950+ or the 1950+ in the future. If your running a comp with PC busses then you take that to the back yard and burn it; then go to the store and buy an emachine, some ram, and a vid card for your fastest and possible cheapest gameing rig. You'll need about 500 bills for that, or about the cost of a PS3 or 360 with a harddrive. Funny how that works isn't it.
*I am aware that some people are having trouble with cards like the 8800. Vista, 3gb ram, DX10 and an 8800=VG not ready yet. Buggy drives blah blah blah.
And I've had a bad day so my bad.
'lo,I am sorry you had a bad day, but my guess is, since this is coming from a gaming site, he probably has the general sense to look at the minimum system requirements. Afterall, he has to have a gaming rig in order to play the latest games, aye? If HE of all people cannot get a game to successfully install and least of all, start, then there must be an unresolved issue. Even more, he contacted customer service and a PR agent (which you would think gains more attention than the regular customer) in order to get his situation resolved. You sound like you actually care for this game, so I am not going to smash it, but if your system meets the given requirements, and you have done the bit of dropping $50, the least the game can do is allow you to log in and play. If you decide the game is not for you thereafter then so be it, but meeting general requirements and dropping cash should at least be enough to allow you to make the determination as to whether that game is worth continuing.
I have seen statements all over these boards that people who have this kind of experience need to upgrade their rigs, even if they meet requirements!! This attitude is ludicrous (sp?). No one should ever drop an extra $150 to play something unless they are passionate about it, but there is no way to be passionate about something that will not run when you system is *already* up to spec.
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
Tried: WoW, Shadowbane, Anarchy Online, Everquest, WWII Online, Planetside
Beta: Lotro, Tabula Rasa, WAR.
LOL you fanbois are funny.
First you say the game doesn't run well because its future proof but here you are telling us basicly that this guy specs are too good and he needs to trim it down by removing 2 gigs of his memory and his top of the line video card isn't supported.
You can't have it both f**king ways make up your damn mind.
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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I've read way too many of these daft reviews now. Are these reviewers gamers? Do they have any kind of understanding about computers or games?
They seem to have the logic and common sense of a 15 year old. Do they not understand this is a busy time for soe support? Ever now and then ppl have problems with downloading games. It happend for a few ppl on bf2142, it happens on d2d, its happened on thousands of other games.
Why do all these reviewers have 2 year old computers or use laptops?
That is, without a doubt, the dumbest review I have ever read. The authors ranting leads me to believe that they are:
A - Some sort of fly-by-night website, since they sure don't seem to have any real contacts in the industry. SOE's PR people would NEVER leave a reviewer hanging on an issue like that. Trust me. I always get an answer from them within a couple of hours, even when I'm just using their games to review hardware or other programs. Besides, he didn't even have a review account set up. He mentions trying to get a free trial, using his key for that, and then trying to use it again on a paid account that he set up.
B - Technically incompetent. You can't get the game to install? Nowhere does he mention any sort of troubleshooting on his end other than trying to install it a few times and not having any luck. Defrag, maybe? I can't tell you how many times people have had trouble installing things because their hard drives are so dicked up from never having defragged. Then he can't get an account to work? Come on. He doesn't even list his PC specs, and he thinks the tech support reply of "upgrade your firmware" refers to a PSP. BIOS, ever heard of it?
I am by no means a Vanguard fan. I've been playing for research and testing purposes, but the game has some major flaws that prevent me from really liking it. However, if you're going to review any game, you need to at least give it a fair shake. If you're not smart enough to get it running at least well enough to test it out, you need to pass the review on to someone else.
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"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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And how to review a product you can't play? Well if you buy a car and it has no engine and you can't drive it, you can still review it and say I can't drive it because it has no engine so I am giving it x.
How does a MMO developer release a unfinished game and people still buy it? The review is a unfinished review of a unfinished game. Ironic isn't it? Vanguard like review of Vanguard.
Oh shut up already. I'm so sick of the stupid ass car analogies, be more original cause it's getting damn lame reading posts like this.
IF YOU CAN'T GET VG TO RUN ON YOUR COMP THEN GODDAMNIT LEARN HOW TO UPGRADE YOUR PC!
I tell ya. I am so shocked and awed by the amount of sheer stupidity I've been wittness to in the past couple of weeks that it's starting to depress me. Why do people seem to think that is the developers responcebility to ensure that a piece of software is able to run on older hardware? Why should they not be able to take advantage of the latest technology available to them? Why should I have to suffer with PS2 quality graphics. I wan't to play games that look as good as a PS# or 360; that's what I payed for. I didn't buy a console this year because my PC is capable of more then any of the consoles out. AND I DEMAND DEVELOPERS TO RELEASE SOFTWARE TAHT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE CRAP IN THIS BOX NEXT TO ME AND THE HELL WITH YOU IF YOU CAN'T RUN IT.
120-150 bucks is about what i would cost for a Gfx card that will run VG fine. I recomend the 1300 by ATI or the 7xxx by Nvidia. Either of those cards will do till you can jump to the 7950+ or the 1950+ in the future. If your running a comp with PC busses then you take that to the back yard and burn it; then go to the store and buy an emachine, some ram, and a vid card for your fastest and possible cheapest gameing rig. You'll need about 500 bills for that, or about the cost of a PS3 or 360 with a harddrive. Funny how that works isn't it.
*I am aware that some people are having trouble with cards like the 8800. Vista, 3gb ram, DX10 and an 8800=VG not ready yet. Buggy drives blah blah blah.
And I've had a bad day so my bad.
Anger issues? If the computer meets minimum requirements, IT SHOULD RUN THE GAME. DUH! And who established minimum requirements? Oh yeah, Sigil did. I guess it is their responsibility after all. Go figure.
It was almost fate. I hit the report button by mistake. Maybe its a sign.
No need for the huge letter dude.
I first thought your just having a laugh but as i read on i just couldn't believe that someone would talk such rubbish.
Games have to be developed for better mahines or we just wouldn't progress. We would still be cave men if we lived by you logic.
I'm sry you don't have the money to buy a new computer. It's life so just get over it.