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Ashton692
Member Posts: 138
2 Years ago I found EvE online by following the recommendation of MMORPG (it was top of the list here, where it has spent most of its time until now).
As much as I didn't think I would ever have to say it about this game and the company behind it, I wish I could have those 2 years invested in another game where the developers and company had some integrity.
The existing cases aside of "admitted developer cheating," there are many many more allegations. Whats more is that CCP has blatantly ignored, dodged, and straw manned the allegations of cheating. They have now locked the posts, and given a second "its all water under the bridge now" ... which the community obviously disagrees with.
If you ever played tradtional D&D with a Dungeon Master with a god complex then picture that - and you have exactly what this game is. Yeah, it looks neat, but why play in someone elses god complex?
Until CCP start changing their handling of rampant cheating in the game don't bother... it's not fun.
I hope I saved you some time!
Edit: Spelling.
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You see, many people have other opinions that directly conflict with your view.
edit: BTW, since when do allegations = guilt?
And as far as locked posts are concerned, they are breaking forum rules, what do you expect them to do? When you feel that CCP treats one person differently from another regarding banning you protest. When they treat all posters the same with regard to breaking forum rules, you protest as well.
So, which is it, should they treat people differently? Or the same?
Or do you just prefer to whine no matter what?
As for locking posts. They said they'd address our questions, and promised us that this wasnt the end of it, more would come. Then without explanation of any of our concerns, they locked the one thread we had to discuss it, and told us it was done. Now you fault people for being upset that they have been lied to? Rediculous!
I concur with whats said here, CCP covered this affair up for 6 months, (just when the merger to White was going on) and when they get "found" out they take a double standards approach to the punishment that is decided on. No punishment for players involved at all.
So if you decide to play this game remember it's not a level playing field out there in eve space, cheating and corruption abound as ccp see's fit.
CCP's reputation in not dealing with this and stopping free speach will be tarnished for a very long time. Their trust with the player base will be forever lost, and any other "incidents" will be looked at with distain by the player base.
CCP, your handling of this affair was double standard, extremly poor, and yet again you do not listen to your player base, you unbalance a free universe and then refuse to at least remedy the situation.... bad very bad
My recommendation play it, but be sure before you pay, and remember Dev's cheat and get away with it.
I'd like to correct you here. He made a statement, he didnt open a thread. There is no thread in which this can be discussed anywhere on the eve forums. All discussion of this affair is being censored out.
What he said ^^^
I just went back and looked, and I couldn't find anything.
Where pray-tell is that thread?
The only place where any answers were posted in regards to the main discussion thread was: here. It didn't really answer any terribly pertinent issues raised in the main thread and the last post in that thread was on Saturday.
Edheler
yes kierons thread was open for awhiel but is now closed it mounted up to 3200+ post in that thread only being up for less then a day i think.
form then all post regarding the issue has been locked and people banned..
palyed the game for 3 years all my accounts cancled today
Inrelpy to your post in conection to kieron's comments, not answers.
I'm sorry to say that this is a "cop out" totally and completely, and as for hellmar's statement, do I really need to say anything.
Condonning the actions and not take retrospective action is comdemnations of CCP's duplicity and double standards.
My accounts are due for renewal in a couple of months, and 3 years of eve ends that day. I refuse to play a game where Dev cheating and coverups abound, and no action is taken. CCP's reputation is tarnished, and no action tarnishs it even more.
Couple of points:
Umm... of course this is my opinion. Welcome to the world of public forums, where you post your opinion.
Allegations do not equal guilt. But as the community has no way to assess guilt, because CCP is the accused, as well as the "government," "judicial system," "law enforcement," and "media," ... so my question back to you is, what kind of smoking gun would cause you to leave? Because frankly it isn't going to get any clearer then this.
Locked Posts - I was refering to the ones where they welcome discussion, and when they see that it goes 106 pages they basically lock it. 106 pages of outrage from their clients and all they do is lock it and say "ok we are moving on now..." ... lol.. aren't you glad all customer service isn't like that. ... I'm not talking about the spam posts that they are locking as much.. don't care about that.
Treat people differnt/same - umm... not sure how this applies with my above clarification for you.
Whine no matte what .. heh.. funny - I respect the people that have a different opinion then mine. I may try to convince them otherwise... but in this case, well, I see that any difference from your opinion would be considered a whine? Am I reading that right? Huh... you should apply to CCP.
Yeah - its true. All of the outcry in fact.
This could have been so much better handled. If they had handled it with integrity, full disclosure, and directness. All I see here is them giving enough to sidestep the issue, and when that isn't enough giving a little more... but there is no repentance... they will be back at it again next week. Right now they are just hoping to get by this. I hope they don't. I hope they meet this head on with integrity or fold... I don't care which at this point although there was a time when I did.
Listen Fanbois - I was once one of you.
There will never be a smoking gun... CCP bans/silences any that speak against them. Most of the time I can understand this, but not with allegations this big.
Make your decision... it hurts me, but I cant play in their ego trip anymore. Read through the history of Eve and you will see a patten of people that make accusations against CCP, are silenced, and then give up. Only thing Kugstmen(spl) did was bring the rot to the surface.
No, I have no agenda aside from hoping CCP get hurt enough by this that they change. But I don't see the thread you are talking about... can you link it? I do see a thread from Kieron that was started so he could post in response to the massive 106 page post... but that was started days ago - not today... linky?
At first I had hoped that they would come clean, live up to their reputation of being approachable Devs. Now I just want to see the change that is needed for the game to be reborn with the integrity I thought it had.
C'mon - Hellmar is a nice guy, but did you read his blog? It was a whole lot of nothing.
And I'm sorry to CCP - but their inaction has lost them the right to say when this will be "moved on" from.
lol - the threads are already unlinked.. they are trying to bury this fast. The biggest issue in Eve history and its already going to be eaten by the forum...
Man - I feel the pain of that, but I'm heading the same route.
It's ashame that I paid so much of all my accounts in advance. Still... it's like a bad relationship. Better to end it now because it will just hurt more later.
I feel betrayed... and angry. I can't believe I supported these guys...
By the way - you didn't say "in my opinion" either... you see, you wrote it... so I assumed it was "in your opinion."
Ain't that neat?
Ashton,
Perhaps your most recent comment makes sense to you but it does not to me. I have always felt that adding "in my opinion" was not necessary when asking questions. Since my post only asked questions and made no statements of opinion I decided that it was not required to add the "in my opinion" phrase.
Pretty neat, huh?
Oddest thing mate - taking a quick look at your posting history I find this is not the case. In my opinion.
Then refer to those threads if those are the ones you mean. When you quote a thread it is natural to assume you did so to make a point.
No matter, I'm sure you'll go about posting your EVE hate until you get tired of it and realize that on an EVE fansite the vast majority really don't care.
The real question is, when will the light dawn?
/me watches Eschiava do a fanciful side step.
Look at the other post I have in this forum there Eschiava. Perhaps I am not some evil creature with a hidden agenda of maliciousness and malcontent alone--
Maybe I myself am a once-upon-a-time fanboi that is so angered by this that I am speaking my mind -- in the hopes of positive change.
As for this being an Eve fansite, if thats the case it seems that even these hardened CCP knob-suckers are taking note of this one... it seems to me that I echo many peoples opinions... and it does seem to me, in my humblest opinions Eschiava (if that needs to be said), that many *do* care...
The real question is - why so unwilling for this discussion, and so eager to dismiss it? And if you care so little, why are you so zealous in your posting? That doesn't add up.
You continually shouting "there is no issue" doesn't make it so
Dont listen to this guy....He got his PeePee whacked and is now on a BAD PR against all Whitewolf/ccp. You think you have it bad? Try not getting to play at all, cause I know who, what,where,when,and how.
Grow up Ashton692 Your words will not hurt nor delay CCP in any way short or form
CCP needs to sue the shit out of Ashton692!!! And just to help them out some I am sending your ISP to them just to goad them towards a slander suit against ya.....You all have fun now....hear?
Huh... first things first.
/me checks the positioning of his "pee pee"
Ok, now that this has been checked, on to answer some of your other issues.
1. Please send my ISP information to CCP. Please. Do it. In fact, if Kieron responds in this thread I will forward him my home address and contact information as well. Done and done. Sue me. Please. That would be an interesting experience that I would be interested in having. Being sued because I posted that I thought a game sucked on a message board at a site that rates games. Huh... I hope you aren't a lawyer.
2. I'm Bad PR - yes, you're right. However I'm not under any kind of illusion that my words alone will hurt or delay CCP. Nope. Not my "agenda." My only agenda in this particular thread is to tell everyone not to play this game and why. I am doing this not because I think CCP will fold next week - I am doing it because it begins to lay the ground work for people to see patterns of discontent in the game. My voice alone will do nothing. But if other people feel the same way about it then CCP will either need to change, or they will fold. That's the power of the masses, not me the individual. All that said, I don't think because something is Bad PR it is undeserved PR. Is that what I can infur from your post you believe?
Now, listen carefully. Step away from the keyboard. I can appreciate that you feel that you need to defend CCP by posting like you have above. I can appreciate you feel that blindly loyal to them. I respect that you still enjoy the game. But honestly your post has done nothing but the opposite. If I was a new player and saw well constructed arguments from people telling me to avoid it, and then a counter post that included the word "Pee-pee," .. well.. anyways... leave the posting to the people that actually make good debateable points.
Cheers. Best of luck in school.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/68591-Jumpgate-EVEs-Devs-and-the-Friends-They-Keep
http://kugutsumen.com/showthread.php?t=83
Read and decide for yourself.
We were/are paying customers and we have rights. And our responsibility is to keep others away from paying a game which company isn't fair.
Stay away from EVE. All logical people should boycot this game TODAY.
Knowledge is Power!