I keep seeing the word mismanagement used in a lot of posts now. I really wish the people using this word would provide evidence in the form of benchmarks and directions that were given to the developers prior to release that support thier claim of mismanagement or just stop using this word altogether.
it's actually very simple-- Vanguard had five years of development time. They had a massive budget for the game, with rumors placing it second only to World of Warcraft in terms of dollar amounts. They had the support of Microsoft for most of that time, only to be cut loose, with SOE having to pick up the slack (i.e., sending over people from EQ2 to help things along at the end), and the game *still* had to come out at least six months early because they ran out of money and time to work on it.
I don't know about anyone else here, but that sounds like total mismanagement to me.
Brad McQuaid has gone through the process of developing an MMO before. He should know what it takes, what benchmarks should be set, and about how development should progress over time. That they still had to release the game months before it was ready for public consumption is quite simply Sigil's fault, and by extension his. He should know better. Anything else is just an excuse.
Blaming the testers? Pfft. Sigil are the ones who wrote the code. They're the ones who created the programming that runs on SOE's servers. They're the ones who have been working on the game for the last five years. Blaming the testers is stupid and just passes the buck elsewhere. Put the blame firmly where it belongs-- at the feet of the company that has been working on this game since day one. Period.
So you must be able to provide proof of all this right? You know exactly how much money they had and how they spent it? You know what thier directiion was during developement and what thier overhead was? Do you know ANYTHING that is factual about how the company was run during those five years to be able to claim mismanagement?
Nope. Didn't think so.
This sort of statement is ludicrous.
Even if someone was privy to this information, they wouldn't be allowed to share it.
However, what I can say is this; tens of millions of dollars and 5 years later, the game is sub-par. That's all the evidence I need for proof of mismanagement. You can obtain finacial information from any company after the end of the year when it becomes the I.R.S.'s info , so you could go to a court house and look up that information if you wanted to for the last 5 years. It is all public info.
You can obtain finacial information from any company after the end of the year when it becomes the I.R.S.'s info , so you could go to a court house and look up that information if you wanted to for the last 5 years. It is all public info.
You're missing the point. It's not about wasting time going to a courthouse to gain access to Sigil's financial records. There's no reason to do that at all, since even bringing all that up was nothing more than a fanboy attempt at changing the subject.
All you need to do is ask yourself a few simple questions--
1. Does Vanguard, in its current state, look and feel like a game that took five years of development time, and which had a budget second only to World of Warcraft? Put another way, can you look at the entire game-- characters, animations, the environment, gameplay, etc.-- and see where the money went? Does it look like what they supposedly spent on it?
2. Is Vanguard a polished and optimized game ready for public consumption, or does it need at least another six months before it's ready for prime time? if it's not, then why? Did they poorly manage their resources? Running out of money after five years and having to release whatever they had seems to suggest they did.
Trying to bring up Sigil's financial statements is ludicrous, and a distraction. The ONLY question at hand is did they waste the resources they had given the current state of the game, and the quality of the client at launch?
You can obtain finacial information from any company after the end of the year when it becomes the I.R.S.'s info , so you could go to a court house and look up that information if you wanted to for the last 5 years. It is all public info.
Publically traded companies are required to file certain financial information with the SEC, which is publically available. Sigil is a closely held private corporation and has no filing obligation. You don't get their tax returns, and tax returns are not on file at the courthouse.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
You can obtain finacial information from any company after the end of the year when it becomes the I.R.S.'s info , so you could go to a court house and look up that information if you wanted to for the last 5 years. It is all public info.
You're missing the point. It's not about wasting time going to a courthouse to gain access to Sigil's financial records. There's no reason to do that at all, since even bringing all that up was nothing more than a fanboy attempt at changing the subject.
All you need to do is ask yourself a few simple questions--
1. Does Vanguard, in its current state, look and feel like a game that took five years of development time, and which had a budget second only to World of Warcraft? Put another way, can you look at the entire game-- characters, animations, the environment, gameplay, etc.-- and see where the money went? Does it look like what they supposedly spent on it?
2. Is Vanguard a polished and optimized game ready for public consumption, or does it need at least another six months before it's ready for prime time? if it's not, then why? Did they poorly manage their resources? Running out of money after five years and having to release whatever they had seems to suggest they did.
Trying to bring up Sigil's financial statements is ludicrous, and a distraction. The ONLY question at hand is did they waste the resources they had given the current state of the game, and the quality of the client at launch?
No you didn't get my point.
You, like everyone else here, knows nothing about the inner workings of Sigil to be able to claim mismanagement.
People just like to talk out of thier butts here and it's coming across as a load of crap.
Great... with the same logic you don't blame the guy who robbed an old lady, but the old lady for not holding her handbad as tight as she could have. Great demonstration of utterly twisted logic. Either the OP is entirely evil or simply totally dumb.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I find it realy amusing that beta testers whine and complaints about bugs and issuses in the game, saying the game is crapp bla bla..... recon they dont know what Beta testing is then? Its not just option to play for free, its to help find those bugs, issuses and help the devs make the game as good as possible before launch. Imo 2 many beta testers arnt playing for the right reasons.
I find it realy amusing that beta testers whine and complaints about bugs and issuses in the game, saying the game is crapp bla bla..... recon they dont know what Beta testing is then? Its not just option to play for free, its to help find those bugs, issuses and help the devs make the game as good as possible before launch. Imo 2 many beta testers arnt playing for the right reasons. Or maybe i got the whole beta testing wrong?
You are correct -- people misuse the beta testing period and developers are gambling that they'll get just enough information while leveraging free publicity. It doesn't help when devs cave in to whiners who demand to know everything going on with the game and think their (the whiners) wishes and opinions must be heard and obeyed.
You can obtain finacial information from any company after the end of the year when it becomes the I.R.S.'s info , so you could go to a court house and look up that information if you wanted to for the last 5 years. It is all public info.
You're missing the point. It's not about wasting time going to a courthouse to gain access to Sigil's financial records. There's no reason to do that at all, since even bringing all that up was nothing more than a fanboy attempt at changing the subject.
All you need to do is ask yourself a few simple questions--
1. Does Vanguard, in its current state, look and feel like a game that took five years of development time, and which had a budget second only to World of Warcraft? Put another way, can you look at the entire game-- characters, animations, the environment, gameplay, etc.-- and see where the money went? Does it look like what they supposedly spent on it?
2. Is Vanguard a polished and optimized game ready for public consumption, or does it need at least another six months before it's ready for prime time? if it's not, then why? Did they poorly manage their resources? Running out of money after five years and having to release whatever they had seems to suggest they did.
Trying to bring up Sigil's financial statements is ludicrous, and a distraction. The ONLY question at hand is did they waste the resources they had given the current state of the game, and the quality of the client at launch?
No you didn't get my point.
You, like everyone else here, knows nothing about the inner workings of Sigil to be able to claim mismanagement.
People just like to talk out of thier butts here and it's coming across as a load of crap.
No, I think you're the one missing the point Fariic.
It's an incredibly simple concept. Time + Resources(Competency) = Efficiency and or Functionality.
5 years + tremendous budget (biggest dev team in MMO history if I'm not mistaken = Unfinished product.
That screams mismanagement. If you can't understand the simplicity of that, I can't help you any further. However, defending someone with the time, resources, and allegedly the talent/vision when they release something inferior is foolish. You couldn't get away with it in the real world, why accept it in the virtual world of MMO's?
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
You can obtain finacial information from any company after the end of the year when it becomes the I.R.S.'s info , so you could go to a court house and look up that information if you wanted to for the last 5 years. It is all public info.
You're missing the point. It's not about wasting time going to a courthouse to gain access to Sigil's financial records. There's no reason to do that at all, since even bringing all that up was nothing more than a fanboy attempt at changing the subject.
All you need to do is ask yourself a few simple questions--
1. Does Vanguard, in its current state, look and feel like a game that took five years of development time, and which had a budget second only to World of Warcraft? Put another way, can you look at the entire game-- characters, animations, the environment, gameplay, etc.-- and see where the money went? Does it look like what they supposedly spent on it?
2. Is Vanguard a polished and optimized game ready for public consumption, or does it need at least another six months before it's ready for prime time? if it's not, then why? Did they poorly manage their resources? Running out of money after five years and having to release whatever they had seems to suggest they did.
Trying to bring up Sigil's financial statements is ludicrous, and a distraction. The ONLY question at hand is did they waste the resources they had given the current state of the game, and the quality of the client at launch?
No you didn't get my point.
You, like everyone else here, knows nothing about the inner workings of Sigil to be able to claim mismanagement.
People just like to talk out of thier butts here and it's coming across as a load of crap.
No, I think you're the one missing the point Fariic.
It's an incredibly simple concept. Time + Resources(Competency) = Efficiency and or Functionality.
5 years + tremendous budget (biggest dev team in MMO history if I'm not mistaken = Unfinished product.
That screams mismanagement. If you can't understand the simplicity of that, I can't help you any further. However, defending someone with the time, resources, and allegedly the talent/vision when they release something inferior is foolish. You couldn't get away with it in the real world, why accept it in the virtual world of MMO's?
You can mismanage funds.
You can mismanage your employees.
You can not make asumptions like the mismanagement of an entire company if you have zero evidence of how that company was run.
Lol if all you heard were positive reviews prior to launch you must have been looking at silky venom or another of brads personal fansites. There were leaks and beta reviews for at least the last nine months that would tell you exactly what you would be getting.
Unfortunately the vanbois can no longer use the excuse its still in beta.
You can obtain finacial information from any company after the end of the year when it becomes the I.R.S.'s info , so you could go to a court house and look up that information if you wanted to for the last 5 years. It is all public info.
You're missing the point. It's not about wasting time going to a courthouse to gain access to Sigil's financial records. There's no reason to do that at all, since even bringing all that up was nothing more than a fanboy attempt at changing the subject.
All you need to do is ask yourself a few simple questions--
1. Does Vanguard, in its current state, look and feel like a game that took five years of development time, and which had a budget second only to World of Warcraft? Put another way, can you look at the entire game-- characters, animations, the environment, gameplay, etc.-- and see where the money went? Does it look like what they supposedly spent on it?
2. Is Vanguard a polished and optimized game ready for public consumption, or does it need at least another six months before it's ready for prime time? if it's not, then why? Did they poorly manage their resources? Running out of money after five years and having to release whatever they had seems to suggest they did.
Trying to bring up Sigil's financial statements is ludicrous, and a distraction. The ONLY question at hand is did they waste the resources they had given the current state of the game, and the quality of the client at launch?
No you didn't get my point.
You, like everyone else here, knows nothing about the inner workings of Sigil to be able to claim mismanagement.
People just like to talk out of thier butts here and it's coming across as a load of crap.
No, I think you're the one missing the point Fariic.
It's an incredibly simple concept. Time + Resources(Competency) = Efficiency and or Functionality.
5 years + tremendous budget (biggest dev team in MMO history if I'm not mistaken = Unfinished product.
That screams mismanagement. If you can't understand the simplicity of that, I can't help you any further. However, defending someone with the time, resources, and allegedly the talent/vision when they release something inferior is foolish. You couldn't get away with it in the real world, why accept it in the virtual world of MMO's?
You can mismanage funds.
You can mismanage your employees.
You can not make asumptions like the mismanagement of an entire company if you have zero evidence of how that company was run.
Who said anything about total mismanagement...?
The point wasn't total mismanagement (otherwise, Vanguard would be called Mourning). It was stating that there has DEFINITELY been some mismanagement though, and it shows.
Clarification I hope.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
You can obtain finacial information from any company after the end of the year when it becomes the I.R.S.'s info , so you could go to a court house and look up that information if you wanted to for the last 5 years. It is all public info.
You're missing the point. It's not about wasting time going to a courthouse to gain access to Sigil's financial records. There's no reason to do that at all, since even bringing all that up was nothing more than a fanboy attempt at changing the subject.
All you need to do is ask yourself a few simple questions--
1. Does Vanguard, in its current state, look and feel like a game that took five years of development time, and which had a budget second only to World of Warcraft? Put another way, can you look at the entire game-- characters, animations, the environment, gameplay, etc.-- and see where the money went? Does it look like what they supposedly spent on it?
2. Is Vanguard a polished and optimized game ready for public consumption, or does it need at least another six months before it's ready for prime time? if it's not, then why? Did they poorly manage their resources? Running out of money after five years and having to release whatever they had seems to suggest they did.
Trying to bring up Sigil's financial statements is ludicrous, and a distraction. The ONLY question at hand is did they waste the resources they had given the current state of the game, and the quality of the client at launch?
No you didn't get my point.
You, like everyone else here, knows nothing about the inner workings of Sigil to be able to claim mismanagement.
People just like to talk out of thier butts here and it's coming across as a load of crap.
No, I think you're the one missing the point Fariic.
It's an incredibly simple concept. Time + Resources(Competency) = Efficiency and or Functionality.
5 years + tremendous budget (biggest dev team in MMO history if I'm not mistaken = Unfinished product.
That screams mismanagement. If you can't understand the simplicity of that, I can't help you any further. However, defending someone with the time, resources, and allegedly the talent/vision when they release something inferior is foolish. You couldn't get away with it in the real world, why accept it in the virtual world of MMO's?
You can mismanage funds.
You can mismanage your employees.
You can not make asumptions like the mismanagement of an entire company if you have zero evidence of how that company was run.
Who said anything about total mismanagement...?
The point wasn't total mismanagement (otherwise, Vanguard would be called Mourning). It was stating that there has DEFINITELY been some mismanagement though, and it shows.
Clarification I hope.
You know something I don't? I'm sure everyone here would be interesting in any news your have, I know I would.
Got a friend of a friend whos cousin works at Sigil or something?
You know something I don't? I'm sure everyone here would be interesting in any news your have, I know I would.
Got a friend of a friend whos cousin works at Sigil or something? Spill the beans man!
Wow. The absolute refusal to even admit the possibility of Sigil mismanaging their development time is just mind-boggling. That takes an incredibly strong pair of fanboy blinders. I'm almost impressed.
Still, let's be honest here-- if it were any other business, with any other product in the real world, an unfinished, unpolished product being deliberately released months before it was ready for public consumption after 5 years of development and millions spent would lead people to conclude that something obviously fell apart along the way, and that some sort of mismanagement happened. There's no other excuse that works.
Why anyone thinks that MMO's should be treated differently is beyond me. Yes, the games will all evolve and change over time. New races and classes will be added, new spells and skills, etc. But the basic issue is still the same. People have the right to expect a product (since that's what an MMO ultimately is) that is stable, functional, and which works without having to jump through a myriad of hoops in order to get it going.
Trying to demand some sort of "irrefutable proof", whether in the form of Sigil's tax returns and/or financial records (both impossible, since they're not publicly traded) or whatever is nothing more than the last desperate tactic of a fanboy who is trying to defend the indefensible-- that Sigil wasted five years of time and money in development, and released an unpolished, unfinished game that they expect people to pay for, even though they readily admit it wasn't ready for prime time.
Why should people be expected to pay for an unfinished game? And why blame the testers when it was Sigil that wrote the code and developed the game in the first place? Beta testers are there to catch something the devs might have missed. They're not there to do tech support or debug the game for Sigil.
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I don't know about anyone else here, but that sounds like total mismanagement to me.
Brad McQuaid has gone through the process of developing an MMO before. He should know what it takes, what benchmarks should be set, and about how development should progress over time. That they still had to release the game months before it was ready for public consumption is quite simply Sigil's fault, and by extension his. He should know better. Anything else is just an excuse.
Blaming the testers? Pfft. Sigil are the ones who wrote the code. They're the ones who created the programming that runs on SOE's servers. They're the ones who have been working on the game for the last five years. Blaming the testers is stupid and just passes the buck elsewhere. Put the blame firmly where it belongs-- at the feet of the company that has been working on this game since day one. Period.
So you must be able to provide proof of all this right? You know exactly how much money they had and how they spent it? You know what thier directiion was during developement and what thier overhead was? Do you know ANYTHING that is factual about how the company was run during those five years to be able to claim mismanagement?
Nope. Didn't think so.
This sort of statement is ludicrous.Even if someone was privy to this information, they wouldn't be allowed to share it.
However, what I can say is this; tens of millions of dollars and 5 years later, the game is sub-par. That's all the evidence I need for proof of mismanagement. You can obtain finacial information from any company after the end of the year when it becomes the I.R.S.'s info , so you could go to a court house and look up that information if you wanted to for the last 5 years. It is all public info.
who me ?
All you need to do is ask yourself a few simple questions--
1. Does Vanguard, in its current state, look and feel like a game that took five years of development time, and which had a budget second only to World of Warcraft? Put another way, can you look at the entire game-- characters, animations, the environment, gameplay, etc.-- and see where the money went? Does it look like what they supposedly spent on it?
2. Is Vanguard a polished and optimized game ready for public consumption, or does it need at least another six months before it's ready for prime time? if it's not, then why? Did they poorly manage their resources? Running out of money after five years and having to release whatever they had seems to suggest they did.
Trying to bring up Sigil's financial statements is ludicrous, and a distraction. The ONLY question at hand is did they waste the resources they had given the current state of the game, and the quality of the client at launch?
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
All you need to do is ask yourself a few simple questions--
1. Does Vanguard, in its current state, look and feel like a game that took five years of development time, and which had a budget second only to World of Warcraft? Put another way, can you look at the entire game-- characters, animations, the environment, gameplay, etc.-- and see where the money went? Does it look like what they supposedly spent on it?
2. Is Vanguard a polished and optimized game ready for public consumption, or does it need at least another six months before it's ready for prime time? if it's not, then why? Did they poorly manage their resources? Running out of money after five years and having to release whatever they had seems to suggest they did.
Trying to bring up Sigil's financial statements is ludicrous, and a distraction. The ONLY question at hand is did they waste the resources they had given the current state of the game, and the quality of the client at launch?
No you didn't get my point.
You, like everyone else here, knows nothing about the inner workings of Sigil to be able to claim mismanagement.
People just like to talk out of thier butts here and it's coming across as a load of crap.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I find it realy amusing that beta testers whine and complaints about bugs and issuses in the game, saying the game is crapp bla bla..... recon they dont know what Beta testing is then? Its not just option to play for free, its to help find those bugs, issuses and help the devs make the game as good as possible before launch. Imo 2 many beta testers arnt playing for the right reasons.
Or maybe i got the whole beta testing wrong?
You are correct -- people misuse the beta testing period and developers are gambling that they'll get just enough information while leveraging free publicity. It doesn't help when devs cave in to whiners who demand to know everything going on with the game and think their (the whiners) wishes and opinions must be heard and obeyed.
All you need to do is ask yourself a few simple questions--
1. Does Vanguard, in its current state, look and feel like a game that took five years of development time, and which had a budget second only to World of Warcraft? Put another way, can you look at the entire game-- characters, animations, the environment, gameplay, etc.-- and see where the money went? Does it look like what they supposedly spent on it?
2. Is Vanguard a polished and optimized game ready for public consumption, or does it need at least another six months before it's ready for prime time? if it's not, then why? Did they poorly manage their resources? Running out of money after five years and having to release whatever they had seems to suggest they did.
Trying to bring up Sigil's financial statements is ludicrous, and a distraction. The ONLY question at hand is did they waste the resources they had given the current state of the game, and the quality of the client at launch?
No you didn't get my point.
You, like everyone else here, knows nothing about the inner workings of Sigil to be able to claim mismanagement.
People just like to talk out of thier butts here and it's coming across as a load of crap.
No, I think you're the one missing the point Fariic.It's an incredibly simple concept. Time + Resources(Competency) = Efficiency and or Functionality.
5 years + tremendous budget (biggest dev team in MMO history if I'm not mistaken = Unfinished product.
That screams mismanagement. If you can't understand the simplicity of that, I can't help you any further. However, defending someone with the time, resources, and allegedly the talent/vision when they release something inferior is foolish. You couldn't get away with it in the real world, why accept it in the virtual world of MMO's?
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
All you need to do is ask yourself a few simple questions--
1. Does Vanguard, in its current state, look and feel like a game that took five years of development time, and which had a budget second only to World of Warcraft? Put another way, can you look at the entire game-- characters, animations, the environment, gameplay, etc.-- and see where the money went? Does it look like what they supposedly spent on it?
2. Is Vanguard a polished and optimized game ready for public consumption, or does it need at least another six months before it's ready for prime time? if it's not, then why? Did they poorly manage their resources? Running out of money after five years and having to release whatever they had seems to suggest they did.
Trying to bring up Sigil's financial statements is ludicrous, and a distraction. The ONLY question at hand is did they waste the resources they had given the current state of the game, and the quality of the client at launch?
No you didn't get my point.
You, like everyone else here, knows nothing about the inner workings of Sigil to be able to claim mismanagement.
People just like to talk out of thier butts here and it's coming across as a load of crap.
No, I think you're the one missing the point Fariic.It's an incredibly simple concept. Time + Resources(Competency) = Efficiency and or Functionality.
5 years + tremendous budget (biggest dev team in MMO history if I'm not mistaken = Unfinished product.
That screams mismanagement. If you can't understand the simplicity of that, I can't help you any further. However, defending someone with the time, resources, and allegedly the talent/vision when they release something inferior is foolish. You couldn't get away with it in the real world, why accept it in the virtual world of MMO's?
You can mismanage funds.
You can mismanage your employees.
You can not make asumptions like the mismanagement of an entire company if you have zero evidence of how that company was run.
Lol if all you heard were positive reviews prior to launch you must have been looking at silky venom or another of brads personal fansites. There were leaks and beta reviews for at least the last nine months that would tell you exactly what you would be getting.
Unfortunately the vanbois can no longer use the excuse its still in beta.
All you need to do is ask yourself a few simple questions--
1. Does Vanguard, in its current state, look and feel like a game that took five years of development time, and which had a budget second only to World of Warcraft? Put another way, can you look at the entire game-- characters, animations, the environment, gameplay, etc.-- and see where the money went? Does it look like what they supposedly spent on it?
2. Is Vanguard a polished and optimized game ready for public consumption, or does it need at least another six months before it's ready for prime time? if it's not, then why? Did they poorly manage their resources? Running out of money after five years and having to release whatever they had seems to suggest they did.
Trying to bring up Sigil's financial statements is ludicrous, and a distraction. The ONLY question at hand is did they waste the resources they had given the current state of the game, and the quality of the client at launch?
No you didn't get my point.
You, like everyone else here, knows nothing about the inner workings of Sigil to be able to claim mismanagement.
People just like to talk out of thier butts here and it's coming across as a load of crap.
No, I think you're the one missing the point Fariic.It's an incredibly simple concept. Time + Resources(Competency) = Efficiency and or Functionality.
5 years + tremendous budget (biggest dev team in MMO history if I'm not mistaken = Unfinished product.
That screams mismanagement. If you can't understand the simplicity of that, I can't help you any further. However, defending someone with the time, resources, and allegedly the talent/vision when they release something inferior is foolish. You couldn't get away with it in the real world, why accept it in the virtual world of MMO's?
You can mismanage funds.
You can mismanage your employees.
You can not make asumptions like the mismanagement of an entire company if you have zero evidence of how that company was run.
Who said anything about total mismanagement...?The point wasn't total mismanagement (otherwise, Vanguard would be called Mourning). It was stating that there has DEFINITELY been some mismanagement though, and it shows.
Clarification I hope.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
All you need to do is ask yourself a few simple questions--
1. Does Vanguard, in its current state, look and feel like a game that took five years of development time, and which had a budget second only to World of Warcraft? Put another way, can you look at the entire game-- characters, animations, the environment, gameplay, etc.-- and see where the money went? Does it look like what they supposedly spent on it?
2. Is Vanguard a polished and optimized game ready for public consumption, or does it need at least another six months before it's ready for prime time? if it's not, then why? Did they poorly manage their resources? Running out of money after five years and having to release whatever they had seems to suggest they did.
Trying to bring up Sigil's financial statements is ludicrous, and a distraction. The ONLY question at hand is did they waste the resources they had given the current state of the game, and the quality of the client at launch?
No you didn't get my point.
You, like everyone else here, knows nothing about the inner workings of Sigil to be able to claim mismanagement.
People just like to talk out of thier butts here and it's coming across as a load of crap.
No, I think you're the one missing the point Fariic.It's an incredibly simple concept. Time + Resources(Competency) = Efficiency and or Functionality.
5 years + tremendous budget (biggest dev team in MMO history if I'm not mistaken = Unfinished product.
That screams mismanagement. If you can't understand the simplicity of that, I can't help you any further. However, defending someone with the time, resources, and allegedly the talent/vision when they release something inferior is foolish. You couldn't get away with it in the real world, why accept it in the virtual world of MMO's?
You can mismanage funds.
You can mismanage your employees.
You can not make asumptions like the mismanagement of an entire company if you have zero evidence of how that company was run.
Who said anything about total mismanagement...?The point wasn't total mismanagement (otherwise, Vanguard would be called Mourning). It was stating that there has DEFINITELY been some mismanagement though, and it shows.
Clarification I hope.
You know something I don't? I'm sure everyone here would be interesting in any news your have, I know I would.
Got a friend of a friend whos cousin works at Sigil or something?
Spill the beans man!
Still, let's be honest here-- if it were any other business, with any other product in the real world, an unfinished, unpolished product being deliberately released months before it was ready for public consumption after 5 years of development and millions spent would lead people to conclude that something obviously fell apart along the way, and that some sort of mismanagement happened. There's no other excuse that works.
Why anyone thinks that MMO's should be treated differently is beyond me. Yes, the games will all evolve and change over time. New races and classes will be added, new spells and skills, etc. But the basic issue is still the same. People have the right to expect a product (since that's what an MMO ultimately is) that is stable, functional, and which works without having to jump through a myriad of hoops in order to get it going.
Trying to demand some sort of "irrefutable proof", whether in the form of Sigil's tax returns and/or financial records (both impossible, since they're not publicly traded) or whatever is nothing more than the last desperate tactic of a fanboy who is trying to defend the indefensible-- that Sigil wasted five years of time and money in development, and released an unpolished, unfinished game that they expect people to pay for, even though they readily admit it wasn't ready for prime time.
Why should people be expected to pay for an unfinished game? And why blame the testers when it was Sigil that wrote the code and developed the game in the first place? Beta testers are there to catch something the devs might have missed. They're not there to do tech support or debug the game for Sigil.