Despite what a lot of you might think, there are a lot of people who DO legitimately care if someone else thinks this game blows. This website is a place for people to come and learn about a game before buying it, and if this game is a hot steaming pile of crap in the eyes of many people, I for one am interested in hearing their side of the story. If you like the game and are enjoying it, fine, but these people have just as much as right to voice their opinions as you, so until the free month is over, your going to have to sit through the bad reviews.
A lot of people are on the fence about trying this game, as myself as a leader of guild that has stuck together for years and many games, I need to look at the good and the bad before passing along recommendation to my guild as to the viability of switching to any game. Are subscriptions numbers a way to tell if a game is good or not? Yes and No. WoW clearly has the highest numbers but is by far the not best game, so in that regard it can be misleading. However, low subscription numbers could also lead to underpopulation, and in a game that endorses forced grouping, and a larger then normal overworld, subscription numbers are very relevant. Even if you think this game is the best thing since sliced bread, if your having a hard time finding people to group with then stick a fork in it.
As another posted has said, the free month is almost up, so before anyone starts bragging about how many accounts they have, lets see what happens after 30 days and watch what happens to the population. If 100k boxes were sold, but 20-30% of them think this game is a paid beta and decide not to renew then you will have a more accurate idea of the games success and playability. Where there is smoke there is fire, and I have never seen a beta in any MMO where the beta testers misinformed the general public about the state of the game before retail. As you read these boards you will see both good and bad reviews, and the game deserves a lot of both. Most review sites have given it between a 6 and a 7.5 out of 10 which seems to be fairly accurate. The only reason why this game is making any real headway at all is the fact that the MMO market is dry as bones for good games.
Im glad you cancelled Deathstrike thats one less person yelling in ooc where is this and where is that. Why cant someone play the game for me. If you want to see an idiot go in your bathroom and look in the mirror. BYE!!!
Funny how from my post you got the idea tha tI wont someone to play the game for me. I guess that's just your fanboy defense kicking in. I say the game is incomplete and broken, and you repsond that I am the type of person who wants someone to play the game for me. It's okay. I understand that you have nothing to really use to refute my claims since they are true. Go ahead and continue making up stuff.
And yes I do understand that people have different opinions of the game. My own opinion and changed drastically over the last month or so. There comes a point where I just cannot overlook the game's faults anymore, and I will not support Sigils inabilities. That's my opinion, and it's just as valid as yours or anyone elses.
Everyone wants to use low subscription numbers as an indicator that Vanguard sucks. Unfortunately, the numbers are low because the game doesn't appeal to everyone. It is meant for a certain type of gamer, and if you aren't that type of gamer, it isn't for you. If you are one who has made it your pet cause to bring the game down because it isn't for you - I'm really getting sick of your posts and worried about your social adjustment.
There are some who are the type of gamer Vanguard was meant for. We are having fun, leave us alone. I"m not saying there are those who are in the target audience who can't see past the launch problems, but they are simply in the 'wait a few months' catagory. Then there are those of us grin and bear the problems, if they even recognize them, and see the brilliant game unfolding anyway. Those gamers want to be at the top of the game as soon as possible, despite the bugs.
But why the low numbers?
Vanguard's low numbers are more akin to facts like, there are more Honda Civics then Corvettes on the road. More McDonald's then 4 Seasons. There are more in the minor leagues than in the majors, there are lots of artists, but not many Picassos. In fact, the last is my favorite comparison, many people look at Picasso and think its ugly, strange and makes them feel uncomfortable - but a few of us look and see pure genious.
When people say they don't like the combat system, I hear, "Why does Picasso paint with all those strange shapes? It's stupid."
When people say they don't like the graphics, I assume they are looking at a black and white Picasso photo in an old used art book. Either that or it's like hearing, "That Picasso is suppose to be a beautiful women? Coulda fooled me". Don't bother responding with my 'My system has blah blah blah uber junk and it still runs like crap!" I simply don't believe it is the games fault. You are either a liar or a moron.
And for those who wish to retort with something like, "How dare you say I don't get Vanguard! I get it! It sux!" I won't respond, because you are only reinforcing my point.
The funniest retort of all may come from someone saying something to the effect of, "You're right, I don't like Picasso or Vanguard, they both suck". To which I will be reinforced yet again that you have to be wired a certain way to understand some of the finer things in life. I don't pity you, or look down on you, but I won't respond because, I truly believe "to each his own". Which is why I don't troll the forums of games I dislike spreading hate. I'm a lover, not a fighter.
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I concur completely, this game isn't for everyone, has been said many times.
If you don't get it, fair enough, just don't troll the same rubbish over and over again like its a problem to the players of VG.
Of course the game isn't for everyone, but you say that as if it was Sigil's INTENTION. Exactly who is excluded from core, hardcore and casual?
If I consider myself a casual player, and Vanguard comes off as a grind, could you still say "this game isn't for you"? Yeah you could, and you'd probably be right, but all you'd be doing is championing Sigil's shortcomings as some kind of intentional design scheme. But in the presence of patches increasing quest experience and such, obviously Sigil is interested in appealing to their original target audiences and not just the diehards who'll play it regardless of what state they're in.
So please, cease with the 'it's not for you' crap, or any comparisons to a 4 Seasons and McDonalds, especially when Brad himself can be quoted as teetering on optimism enough to hope for over a million subscribers in Vanguard's lifespan. Just because you're happy with 100k doesn't mean Sigil wanted just that or expected it.
I get that you're trying to create a hospitable scenario where Vanguard has no shortcomings if you sum all of its critics up to just people who weren't meant to like it or play it in the first place...but you're wrong. There isn't an MMO player out there that can't fit themselves into the casual, core, or hardcore mold; thus the not so brilliance of marketing terms like that when you use three different words generalize the whole market of MMO players; as if there were some non-core, non-casual, non-hardcore nonsensical beings out there.
So the only people this game isn't for, are the non-casual, non-hardcore, non-core crowds, whomever they are. Everyone else is entitled to say this game sucks, and why; since it was pushed on them as something good and they paid out of pocket just as you only to be disappointed.
As convenient it would be if no game ever sucked and it was simply a case of it not being for everyone, that isn't the reality. I'm sure Crystal Pepsi and New Coke was meant for me, but they sucked. Fix the formula and try again.
I doubt anyone who quit the game or has made ton of additional characters got past level 8 on them. Since the death penalty kicks in at level 7.
You may be right, but FWIW, I have three characters over 8(10, 12, and 14), and a lv5 and 7.
Doubt it's just me, because I find this game encourages starting over, when I start to feel the grind - around lv.10-12, depending on class and area. I don;t think it has anything to do with the death penalty, which is negligible at such low levels. It's more that soloing gets tedious, grouping can be a hassle, and either way, xp slows way down - so time to try a new character.
Course, how many are like me, who knows. Should be possible to group alts together, but guess it's not.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
I don't think I've played a game this bad since...DnL? I mean just wow...how do you manage to turn a game that was looking pretty good Into a pile of steaming shit that Vanguard is.The bugs in this game are unacceptable, The combat..oh my the combat..Never have i witnessed such a bland, uninteresting, boring, insulting combat system in all of my years of gaming.
The American MMO market just keeps going down and down and down..
You're right, what was I thinking enjoying Vanguard? Your post has made me rethink my gaming, nay my whole life! I will now troll the forums of every game with baseless condemnation and spread your vitriolic unsatisfaction!
I doubt anyone who quit the game or has made ton of additional characters got past level 8 on them. Since the death penalty kicks in at level 7.
You may be right, but FWIW, I have three characters over 8(10, 12, and 14), and a lv5 and 7.
Doubt it's just me, because I find this game encourages starting over, when I start to feel the grind - around lv.10-12, depending on class and area. I don;t think it has anything to do with the death penalty, which is negligible at such low levels. It's more that soloing gets tedious, grouping can be a hassle, and either way, xp slows way down - so time to try a new character.
Course, how many are like me, who knows. Should be possible to group alts together, but guess it's not.
Not just you, I'd be willing to bet on average everyone has filled up at least half of their character slots who're commited players. I doubt there's as many who've used all eight as there is those who used just one and bailed though. Especially with the widespread tossing out of buddy keys and such.
I doubt anyone who quit the game or has made ton of additional characters got past level 8 on them. Since the death penalty kicks in at level 7.
You may be right, but FWIW, I have three characters over 8(10, 12, and 14), and a lv5 and 7.
Doubt it's just me, because I find this game encourages starting over, when I start to feel the grind - around lv.10-12, depending on class and area. I don;t think it has anything to do with the death penalty, which is negligible at such low levels. It's more that soloing gets tedious, grouping can be a hassle, and either way, xp slows way down - so time to try a new character.
Course, how many are like me, who knows. Should be possible to group alts together, but guess it's not.
In two and a half days you managed to lvl 5 characters, three of which 10+ and in two days became an expert, wow you must be a prodigy or a liar.
In two and a half days you managed to lvl 5 characters, three of which 10+ and in two days became an expert, wow you must be a prodigy or a liar.
I didn't think it was anything to brag about. Flying through low levels is pretty easy, even a single mid level character would take much longer. As for being a liar, check the link in my sig.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Having a blast with our 100k+ subs. If you dont like it, we dont care. theres the door ==========>
So posting our opinions should be blocked from these "open" forums, isn't this why we have "open" forums so we can post our experiences for others to read.
If you don't have an intelligent opposing opinion that outlines the positive experiences you have had playing the game then don't post here, where your comments are of no use to anyone but yourself.
if you really "don't care" about other peoples opinions then don't read or respond to anything on these "open" forums.
I think Gangster had it right.... we don't care what you think...we really don't.... so hit the road and go back and play what ever game you think is better....
If Vanguard would drop the term game and us Virual Tourism, they sell more units, imo .
Except that you need to level to explore. I am very much into exploring, but find that it's too difficult in Vanguard. And that's just running around, trying to avoid aggro mobs. Nevermind boats or anything, because I have my doubts about being able to stick around long enough to see lv.30ish, or whatever they tend to require.
Plus, it'd be more fun to explore, if everywhere I went didn't seem pretty much the same. I don't mean in terms of graphics, but if there were anything to actually look for, aside from high-purple mobs. Like, if different towns sold different items, that makes it fun to check out different towns. I ran all the way from the high elf "city" to the dwarf "city" only to find that they were identical. Except for graphics, which as I've posted too many times, don't impress me in this game.
So, IMHO, it's not really an explorers game. Just doesn't have the kind of content that appeals to my explorer side, at least.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
It's really simple. If you played this game but don't like it, you can post about it but the honest truth is, no one really cares whether you did or didn't like it. The same goes with any other game out here.
The people who are enjoying this game like it and to them it's all that matters.
Having a blast with our 100k+ subs. If you dont like it, we dont care. theres the door ==========>
Behold the amazing community of Vanguard and their imaginary friends and multi-accounts! Lie much? If your lucky, its 60k.
60k sold boxes, 40k players at best! It is l33t skill to dual-box or to, oh gasp, triple-box!
Another super all knowing great programmer who knows just about everything about games .... we thank you oh know all god of everything about games ... we thank you and bow to you that you know everything ... all hail his great knowledge and superior gaming ability. All hail.He is great...king of all.
Does that make you feel better?
Its just amazing that you think I am suppose to believe you when you say that you know exactly how many people bought the game or how many people are on at one time.....that you think a lot of people on here are stupid or something ...yea.
Again i suggest if anyone wants to know more about this game...please go to another forum...this one is full of 12 year olds.
When I said 100k, I aint pulling numbers out my ass.
Hope you feel like an idiot now.
I still stand by my words ... and I frequent Silky Venom so ive seen his posts ... You posting here does not make you anything important...you posting information that has been posted a million times does not make you greater then anyone else? You dont think that anyone else has seen that? You think your some intrepid reporter making a scoop?
Great...So now what ya going to do? Jump your big rump up and down on your chair in a superior quality?
Leave these people alone ... who are trying to enjoy themselves ... move along ... thank you.
Touching first on the original post; yes the saga has reminded me of DnL as well - although to DnL's credit (hard to believe I know) the initial launch of DnL was actually a beta!
Brad did not say that VSoH are 100k+ subscribers. He did not say they had 100k+ sales. From what was asked and what he said I believe that there were 100k+ accounts which would include the 10 day beta keys.
The number of characters above a particular level is a good guide and as of 23rd Feb there were 41k at level 15 and above. Not very many.
Last contribution to this thread. There are posts outside this forum that the January US sales for VSoH - so just 3 days worth and excluding digital downloads and sales outside the US - was 37,501 and that it placed at number 5 in the PC top 20. It is outside these forums otherwise I would post the link.
Everyone wants to use low subscription numbers as an indicator that Vanguard sucks. Unfortunately, the numbers are low because the game doesn't appeal to everyone. It is meant for a certain type of gamer, and if you aren't that type of gamer, it isn't for you. If you are one who has made it your pet cause to bring the game down because it isn't for you - I'm really getting sick of your posts and worried about your social adjustment. There are some who are the type of gamer Vanguard was meant for. We are having fun, leave us alone. I"m not saying there are those who are in the target audience who can't see past the launch problems, but they are simply in the 'wait a few months' catagory. Then there are those of us grin and bear the problems, if they even recognize them, and see the brilliant game unfolding anyway. Those gamers want to be at the top of the game as soon as possible, despite the bugs. But why the low numbers? Vanguard's low numbers are more akin to facts like, there are more Honda Civics then Corvettes on the road. More McDonald's then 4 Seasons. There are more in the minor leagues than in the majors, there are lots of artists, but not many Picassos. In fact, the last is my favorite comparison, many people look at Picasso and think its ugly, strange and makes them feel uncomfortable - but a few of us look and see pure genious. When people say they don't like the combat system, I hear, "Why does Picasso paint with all those strange shapes? It's stupid." When people say they don't like the graphics, I assume they are looking at a black and white Picasso photo in an old used art book. Either that or it's like hearing, "That Picasso is suppose to be a beautiful women? Coulda fooled me". Don't bother responding with my 'My system has blah blah blah uber junk and it still runs like crap!" I simply don't believe it is the games fault. You are either a liar or a moron. And for those who wish to retort with something like, "How dare you say I don't get Vanguard! I get it! It sux!" I won't respond, because you are only reinforcing my point. The funniest retort of all may come from someone saying something to the effect of, "You're right, I don't like Picasso or Vanguard, they both suck". To which I will be reinforced yet again that you have to be wired a certain way to understand some of the finer things in life. I don't pity you, or look down on you, but I won't respond because, I truly believe "to each his own". Which is why I don't troll the forums of games I dislike spreading hate. I'm a lover, not a fighter. "Seldom in history has the majority been right" -Robert Heinlein
Zorgo, the numbers are low because the OP is right, the game is garbage. Low paid developers, shortsighted CEO, failed design, CEO obsessed with the past... all of these are reasons. But the truth is known, it's garbage.
Zorgo, the numbers are low because the OP is right, the game is garbage. Low paid developers, shortsighted CEO, failed design, CEO obsessed with the past... all of these are reasons. But the truth is known, it's garbage.
Could you be a little more specific? You are talking about the CEO, but you havent said anything about the game.
The game has the best graphics, best crafting system, diplomacy, boat building. Its a very solid game.
Zorgo, the numbers are low because the OP is right, the game is garbage. Low paid developers, shortsighted CEO, failed design, CEO obsessed with the past... all of these are reasons. But the truth is known, it's garbage.
Could you be a little more specific? You are talking about the CEO, but you havent said anything about the game.
The game has the best graphics, best crafting system, diplomacy, boat building. Its a very solid game.
We were specific very many times, but most fans just deny rather than embrace.
I have seen this game called many things, by many people, but solid? Might want to look up what solid means, just my opinion.
SoE's average retention rate on EQ1/EQ2/Starwars box sales was at best 20%. This game is just more of the same. No reason to expect anything different.
Then you have this game being part of SoE's all game package. Not good. How much will Brad get from SoE's all game package players ... one dollar perhaps.
Hopefully Brad had SoE pick up the infrastructure costs.
The rest of the developement/bug fixing/game enhancing money will have to come from subscribers.
SoE will probably end up buying this game for pennies on the dollars from Brad.
Zorgo, the numbers are low because the OP is right, the game is garbage. Low paid developers, shortsighted CEO, failed design, CEO obsessed with the past... all of these are reasons. But the truth is known, it's garbage.
Could you be a little more specific? You are talking about the CEO, but you havent said anything about the game.
The game has the best graphics, best crafting system, diplomacy, boat building. Its a very solid game.
We were specific very many times, but most fans just deny rather than embrace.
I have seen this game called many things, by many people, but solid? Might want to look up what solid means, just my opinion.
Again, you don't give any specifics why you don't like the game. I give facts, and you give nothing.
Zorgo, the numbers are low because the OP is right, the game is garbage. Low paid developers, shortsighted CEO, failed design, CEO obsessed with the past... all of these are reasons. But the truth is known, it's garbage.
Could you be a little more specific? You are talking about the CEO, but you havent said anything about the game.
The game has the best graphics, best crafting system, diplomacy, boat building. Its a very solid game.
We were specific very many times, but most fans just deny rather than embrace.
I have seen this game called many things, by many people, but solid? Might want to look up what solid means, just my opinion.
Again, you don't give any specifics why you don't like the game. I give facts, and you give nothing.
Wrong, I just hate to repeat my long posts. Please look in my post history, you shall find very many things I don't like, argumented, the whole works. You will even see it why it's a joke at best calling this game solid.
I don't think I've played a game this bad since...DnL? I mean just wow...how do you manage to turn a game that was looking pretty good Into a pile of steaming shit that Vanguard is.The bugs in this game are unacceptable, The combat..oh my the combat..Never have i witnessed such a bland, uninteresting, boring, insulting combat system in all of my years of gaming.
The American MMO market just keeps going down and down and down..
I take it you didn’t have a chance to play the Beta? I’m very glad I was fortunate enough to have participated in the Beta, yet at the same time I was extraordinarily disappointed. I say with a heavy heart that Brad and Sigil misrepresented this game in their FAQ and in their “vision”. I wasn’t expecting another EQ, however I was at least expecting something with substance, genuine lore and a sense of belongingness in the world.
I’m still beside myself that the Dev’s completely left out a Hook (and openly admitted it). Aside form a hook, which could mean half a dozen things to people, at least they could have made the game compelling during Beta, but it completely lacked soul, the very nature that made EQ one of the Best MMO’s out there.
I had really high expectations of this game, but I remained cautiously optimistic because I wasn’t sure Bard and Company could pull off such a billing and sadly they did not. Friends of mine seem to enjoy the game, but for me it was a huge let down. I’m glad there are those that are enjoying the game, obviously their play style and emersion is very different from mine.
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A lot of people are on the fence about trying this game, as myself as a leader of guild that has stuck together for years and many games, I need to look at the good and the bad before passing along recommendation to my guild as to the viability of switching to any game. Are subscriptions numbers a way to tell if a game is good or not? Yes and No. WoW clearly has the highest numbers but is by far the not best game, so in that regard it can be misleading. However, low subscription numbers could also lead to underpopulation, and in a game that endorses forced grouping, and a larger then normal overworld, subscription numbers are very relevant. Even if you think this game is the best thing since sliced bread, if your having a hard time finding people to group with then stick a fork in it.
As another posted has said, the free month is almost up, so before anyone starts bragging about how many accounts they have, lets see what happens after 30 days and watch what happens to the population. If 100k boxes were sold, but 20-30% of them think this game is a paid beta and decide not to renew then you will have a more accurate idea of the games success and playability. Where there is smoke there is fire, and I have never seen a beta in any MMO where the beta testers misinformed the general public about the state of the game before retail. As you read these boards you will see both good and bad reviews, and the game deserves a lot of both. Most review sites have given it between a 6 and a 7.5 out of 10 which seems to be fairly accurate. The only reason why this game is making any real headway at all is the fact that the MMO market is dry as bones for good games.
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Funny how from my post you got the idea tha tI wont someone to play the game for me. I guess that's just your fanboy defense kicking in. I say the game is incomplete and broken, and you repsond that I am the type of person who wants someone to play the game for me. It's okay. I understand that you have nothing to really use to refute my claims since they are true. Go ahead and continue making up stuff.
And yes I do understand that people have different opinions of the game. My own opinion and changed drastically over the last month or so. There comes a point where I just cannot overlook the game's faults anymore, and I will not support Sigils inabilities. That's my opinion, and it's just as valid as yours or anyone elses.
I concur completely, this game isn't for everyone, has been said many times.
If you don't get it, fair enough, just don't troll the same rubbish over and over again like its a problem to the players of VG.
Of course the game isn't for everyone, but you say that as if it was Sigil's INTENTION. Exactly who is excluded from core, hardcore and casual?If I consider myself a casual player, and Vanguard comes off as a grind, could you still say "this game isn't for you"? Yeah you could, and you'd probably be right, but all you'd be doing is championing Sigil's shortcomings as some kind of intentional design scheme. But in the presence of patches increasing quest experience and such, obviously Sigil is interested in appealing to their original target audiences and not just the diehards who'll play it regardless of what state they're in.
So please, cease with the 'it's not for you' crap, or any comparisons to a 4 Seasons and McDonalds, especially when Brad himself can be quoted as teetering on optimism enough to hope for over a million subscribers in Vanguard's lifespan. Just because you're happy with 100k doesn't mean Sigil wanted just that or expected it.
I get that you're trying to create a hospitable scenario where Vanguard has no shortcomings if you sum all of its critics up to just people who weren't meant to like it or play it in the first place...but you're wrong. There isn't an MMO player out there that can't fit themselves into the casual, core, or hardcore mold; thus the not so brilliance of marketing terms like that when you use three different words generalize the whole market of MMO players; as if there were some non-core, non-casual, non-hardcore nonsensical beings out there.
So the only people this game isn't for, are the non-casual, non-hardcore, non-core crowds, whomever they are. Everyone else is entitled to say this game sucks, and why; since it was pushed on them as something good and they paid out of pocket just as you only to be disappointed.
As convenient it would be if no game ever sucked and it was simply a case of it not being for everyone, that isn't the reality. I'm sure Crystal Pepsi and New Coke was meant for me, but they sucked. Fix the formula and try again.
You may be right, but FWIW, I have three characters over 8(10, 12, and 14), and a lv5 and 7.
Doubt it's just me, because I find this game encourages starting over, when I start to feel the grind - around lv.10-12, depending on class and area. I don;t think it has anything to do with the death penalty, which is negligible at such low levels. It's more that soloing gets tedious, grouping can be a hassle, and either way, xp slows way down - so time to try a new character.
Course, how many are like me, who knows. Should be possible to group alts together, but guess it's not.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
You're right, what was I thinking enjoying Vanguard? Your post has made me rethink my gaming, nay my whole life! I will now troll the forums of every game with baseless condemnation and spread your vitriolic unsatisfaction!
To the troll-mobile!
You may be right, but FWIW, I have three characters over 8(10, 12, and 14), and a lv5 and 7.
Doubt it's just me, because I find this game encourages starting over, when I start to feel the grind - around lv.10-12, depending on class and area. I don;t think it has anything to do with the death penalty, which is negligible at such low levels. It's more that soloing gets tedious, grouping can be a hassle, and either way, xp slows way down - so time to try a new character.
Course, how many are like me, who knows. Should be possible to group alts together, but guess it's not.
Not just you, I'd be willing to bet on average everyone has filled up at least half of their character slots who're commited players. I doubt there's as many who've used all eight as there is those who used just one and bailed though. Especially with the widespread tossing out of buddy keys and such.You may be right, but FWIW, I have three characters over 8(10, 12, and 14), and a lv5 and 7.
Doubt it's just me, because I find this game encourages starting over, when I start to feel the grind - around lv.10-12, depending on class and area. I don;t think it has anything to do with the death penalty, which is negligible at such low levels. It's more that soloing gets tedious, grouping can be a hassle, and either way, xp slows way down - so time to try a new character.
Course, how many are like me, who knows. Should be possible to group alts together, but guess it's not.
In two and a half days you managed to lvl 5 characters, three of which 10+ and in two days became an expert, wow you must be a prodigy or a liar.When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
who me ?
So posting our opinions should be blocked from these "open" forums, isn't this why we have "open" forums so we can post our experiences for others to read.
If you don't have an intelligent opposing opinion that outlines the positive experiences you have had playing the game then don't post here, where your comments are of no use to anyone but yourself.
if you really "don't care" about other peoples opinions then don't read or respond to anything on these "open" forums.
Except that you need to level to explore. I am very much into exploring, but find that it's too difficult in Vanguard. And that's just running around, trying to avoid aggro mobs. Nevermind boats or anything, because I have my doubts about being able to stick around long enough to see lv.30ish, or whatever they tend to require.
Plus, it'd be more fun to explore, if everywhere I went didn't seem pretty much the same. I don't mean in terms of graphics, but if there were anything to actually look for, aside from high-purple mobs. Like, if different towns sold different items, that makes it fun to check out different towns. I ran all the way from the high elf "city" to the dwarf "city" only to find that they were identical. Except for graphics, which as I've posted too many times, don't impress me in this game.
So, IMHO, it's not really an explorers game. Just doesn't have the kind of content that appeals to my explorer side, at least.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
The game definately isnt garbage. The graphics are great. Crafting is very deep, and the diplomacy system is popular too,
It has some bugs, but all of these games do at release.
It certainly is worth playing if your computer can handle it.
It's really simple. If you played this game but don't like it, you can post about it but the honest truth is, no one really cares whether you did or didn't like it. The same goes with any other game out here.
The people who are enjoying this game like it and to them it's all that matters.
60k sold boxes, 40k players at best! It is l33t skill to dual-box or to, oh gasp, triple-box!
Another super all knowing great programmer who knows just about everything about games .... we thank you oh know all god of everything about games ... we thank you and bow to you that you know everything ... all hail his great knowledge and superior gaming ability. All hail.He is great...king of all.
Does that make you feel better?
Its just amazing that you think I am suppose to believe you when you say that you know exactly how many people bought the game or how many people are on at one time.....that you think a lot of people on here are stupid or something ...yea.
Again i suggest if anyone wants to know more about this game...please go to another forum...this one is full of 12 year olds.
http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorpg-general-discussion/27034-vg-sales-numbers-37.html
When I said 100k, I aint pulling numbers out my ass.
Hope you feel like an idiot now.
I still stand by my words ... and I frequent Silky Venom so ive seen his posts ... You posting here does not make you anything important...you posting information that has been posted a million times does not make you greater then anyone else? You dont think that anyone else has seen that? You think your some intrepid reporter making a scoop?
Great...So now what ya going to do? Jump your big rump up and down on your chair in a superior quality?
Leave these people alone ... who are trying to enjoy themselves ... move along ... thank you.
Touching first on the original post; yes the saga has reminded me of DnL as well - although to DnL's credit (hard to believe I know) the initial launch of DnL was actually a beta!
Brad did not say that VSoH are 100k+ subscribers. He did not say they had 100k+ sales. From what was asked and what he said I believe that there were 100k+ accounts which would include the 10 day beta keys.
The number of characters above a particular level is a good guide and as of 23rd Feb there were 41k at level 15 and above. Not very many.
Last contribution to this thread. There are posts outside this forum that the January US sales for VSoH - so just 3 days worth and excluding digital downloads and sales outside the US - was 37,501 and that it placed at number 5 in the PC top 20. It is outside these forums otherwise I would post the link.
vgplayers.station.sony.com/characters.vm
who me ?
Could you be a little more specific? You are talking about the CEO, but you havent said anything about the game.
The game has the best graphics, best crafting system, diplomacy, boat building. Its a very solid game.
Could you be a little more specific? You are talking about the CEO, but you havent said anything about the game.
The game has the best graphics, best crafting system, diplomacy, boat building. Its a very solid game.
We were specific very many times, but most fans just deny rather than embrace.I have seen this game called many things, by many people, but solid? Might want to look up what solid means, just my opinion.
SoE sorry Vanbois ... but 100k box sales is bad.
SoE's average retention rate on EQ1/EQ2/Starwars box sales was at best 20%. This game is just more of the same. No reason to expect anything different.
Then you have this game being part of SoE's all game package. Not good. How much will Brad get from SoE's all game package players ... one dollar perhaps.
Hopefully Brad had SoE pick up the infrastructure costs.
The rest of the developement/bug fixing/game enhancing money will have to come from subscribers.
SoE will probably end up buying this game for pennies on the dollars from Brad.
Could you be a little more specific? You are talking about the CEO, but you havent said anything about the game.
The game has the best graphics, best crafting system, diplomacy, boat building. Its a very solid game.
We were specific very many times, but most fans just deny rather than embrace.I have seen this game called many things, by many people, but solid? Might want to look up what solid means, just my opinion.
Again, you don't give any specifics why you don't like the game. I give facts, and you give nothing.
Could you be a little more specific? You are talking about the CEO, but you havent said anything about the game.
The game has the best graphics, best crafting system, diplomacy, boat building. Its a very solid game.
We were specific very many times, but most fans just deny rather than embrace.I have seen this game called many things, by many people, but solid? Might want to look up what solid means, just my opinion.
Again, you don't give any specifics why you don't like the game. I give facts, and you give nothing.
Wrong, I just hate to repeat my long posts. Please look in my post history, you shall find very many things I don't like, argumented, the whole works. You will even see it why it's a joke at best calling this game solid.I take it you didn’t have a chance to play the Beta? I’m very glad I was fortunate enough to have participated in the Beta, yet at the same time I was extraordinarily disappointed. I say with a heavy heart that Brad and Sigil misrepresented this game in their FAQ and in their “vision”. I wasn’t expecting another EQ, however I was at least expecting something with substance, genuine lore and a sense of belongingness in the world.
I’m still beside myself that the Dev’s completely left out a Hook (and openly admitted it). Aside form a hook, which could mean half a dozen things to people, at least they could have made the game compelling during Beta, but it completely lacked soul, the very nature that made EQ one of the Best MMO’s out there.
I had really high expectations of this game, but I remained cautiously optimistic because I wasn’t sure Bard and Company could pull off such a billing and sadly they did not. Friends of mine seem to enjoy the game, but for me it was a huge let down. I’m glad there are those that are enjoying the game, obviously their play style and emersion is very different from mine.
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