And I'm not referring to Anarchyart, or those who are usually accused of blindly championing the game.
That's just it. People call me crazy or a liar because I say I can play the game perfectly on highest quality on my system, which in their summation shouldn't be able to, whereas I think they must be crazy because they can't. Just because you have one experience with a game doesn't mean that is the only way the game can be experienced. As an aside, I really feel for those who haven't yet figured out how to tweak the .ini file; without that I couldn't play, period.
Just because I don't focus mainly on the bugs and other retarded problems the game has I'm called a kool-aid drinker. Yes- the game has all kinds of bugs, but I have only crashed a handful of times in over 5 months and have experienced not one single game breaking bug. Haven't encountered a single bugged quest since a week after release. These words are the truth, whether you believe them or not.
Thing is, the games world and armor and weapons and stories and mobs and characters just please the hell out of me. Sometimes it lags to shit, but when it doesn't, it can be literally breathtaking. One time I jumped off this huge cliff above Khal and I my stomach actually went up in my throat like if you jumped from up high in real life.
Some things drive me insane too, like tonight some guy finished a quest just before me so I couldn't loot the corpse for it for about 5 minutes. I'm willing to put up with that stuff because the game has a certain something I really liked from UO and EQ. I just have fun playing the game and I have a small guild on the team PVP server and we group and shoot the breeze on ventrillo.
Memory leak does seem to be fixed, I hope so anyway because im pretty sure its what was sending me to desktop once or twice a night.
Bugs, I was so sure some NPC's were bugged, i'd click on it for ages and it just wouldnt talk to me untill some guy told me to use hail instead of right clicking.
Originally posted by anarchyart Originally posted by Coldmeat And I'm not referring to Anarchyart, or those who are usually accused of blindly championing the game.
I have a small guild on the team PVP server
Shadow, or Order? I finally caved and rolled a gobbie shaman on Varking. Something to be said for chasing those damned Raki all the way across Martok. Sadly, they always find a guard to suicide on before I can finish them...
I think that the fact's are, as the OP, that you people are being made fool's of and know it, and dont want to admit to that fact and will go to any lengths to run circles around that fact.
I am not a gold farmer or an employee of a rival game, as the OP alleges. I am Elvis. I do this because I have a lot of rage ever since my daughter married Michael Jackson.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
I think that the fact's are, as the OP, that you people are being made fool's of and know it, and dont want to admit to that fact and will go to any lengths to run circles around that fact.
Is that a "fact"
"most of us suspect"
who are most of us?
Ill play till I hate that game I wont hate it just because you do. thats a fact
Nice theory....however I doubt anyone at Blizzard is losing any sleep at night over this "WoW killer".
Lol. that phrase still makes me giggle. But I'm still holding out hope that this game will be much better in 6 months to a year. I'm still going to give it a try when the free trial comes out by then.
Never be afraid of choices. More choices are always good things.
Or more likely... they paid $50 for a game they didn't like, and are expressing such, rather than allowing Sigil to take their money and run.
Don't worry, I'm sure posting hate on MMORPG.com will get as boring as Vanguard soon enough. But who knows, it might get better in 6 months time.
Thats BS its not normal to sit on a forums bashing a game you hate , saying the same things over and over . jumping into every thread no matter what its titled thats a little more than just not liking a game . The OP is right your either been paid to do it or you have an intense hatered of SOE
When i first deleted my grand marshal rogue i was pretty mad at blizzard and when i first came here i serfed the WOW forums looking for posts that where negitive about WOW so i could go bash it , i never lied i just posted how i felt and my honest opinion.
well one day i guy qouted me and said no offence swede but you sound like a whining little baby , he said ive seen your posts all over these forums saying the same thing over and over . well of course i had to defend myself by using the same arguements the bashers here use . the differance between me and the bashers here is i only went into treads that specificaly asked for negitive feedback , i didnt jump into every tread and try and shove my negitive views down peoples throats
But after i read that i relized that the guy is right i was been a whining little baby , i had a beef with blizzard and not the people who enjoyed the game but for some reason iit made me feel good to bash WOW after i quit playing . I dont go there anymore cause really it was a good game and just because i didnt like it dosent mean people who do should be supjected to my shit day in and day out , in other words i grew up and moved on which is what a normal person who doesn't like a game does
And I'm not referring to Anarchyart, or those who are usually accused of blindly championing the game.
That's just it. People call me crazy or a liar because I say I can play the game perfectly on highest quality on my system, which in their summation shouldn't be able to, whereas I think they must be crazy because they can't. Just because you have one experience with a game doesn't mean that is the only way the game can be experienced. As an aside, I really feel for those who haven't yet figured out how to tweak the .ini file; without that I couldn't play, period.
Just why does an average costumer need to tweak an ini file to get things working? This is just another incomplete part of the game.
Forgive me if i'm wrong but wasn't Vanguard at one time the #1 game on the hype meter here at MMORPG.com? I seem to recall a time when VG led most of the games in development with the highest rating. Now I don't know about you but if most here were VG haters from the start then why did VG initially get rated so highly by the majority on this site? Nah I think I'll accept what my eyes see and say that VG was a flop in the majority of people eyes here and it wasn't because people naturally were haters from the beginning.
Forgive me if i'm wrong but wasn't Vanguard at one time the #1 game on the hype meter here at MMORPG.com? I seem to recall a time when VG led most of the games in development with the highest rating. Now I don't know about you but if most here were VG haters from the start then why did VG initially get rated so highly by the majority on this site? Nah I think I'll accept what my eyes see and say that VG was a flop in the majority of people eyes here and it wasn't because people naturally were haters from the beginning.
Forgive me if i'm wrong but wasn't Vanguard at one time the #1 game on the hype meter here at MMORPG.com? I seem to recall a time when VG led most of the games in development with the highest rating. Now I don't know about you but if most here were VG haters from the start then why did VG initially get rated so highly by the majority on this site? Nah I think I'll accept what my eyes see and say that VG was a flop in the majority of people eyes here and it wasn't because people naturally were haters from the beginning.
You are correct. In the beginning when this game was announced it WAS the most hyped game out there. However, just before the NDA was lifted it's hype ratings started dropping pretty significantly due to all the beta leaks. Also due to promises made by Brad that were not to see the light of day (At least by release day). So just before the release the Hype meter was around a 7.2.
Come release you had most (if not all) of the Vanguard fans hyping the rating back up to it's currect state of 8.2. Many of the Vanguard haters did'nt bother to rate it (although many did, I'm sure and rated it a 1).
I'd also like to think though, that one reason for the high ratings is that the ones who hate this game and never played it DID NOT rate it. The ratings are (in all honesty) for people that are currently PLAYING the game. At least that's how it's supposed to be.
Never be afraid of choices. More choices are always good things.
Originally posted by Xanusus Forgive me if i'm wrong but wasn't Vanguard at one time the #1 game on the hype meter here at MMORPG.com? I seem to recall a time when VG led most of the games in development with the highest rating. Now I don't know about you but if most here were VG haters from the start then why did VG initially get rated so highly by the majority on this site? Nah I think I'll accept what my eyes see and say that VG was a flop in the majority of people eyes here and it wasn't because people naturally were haters from the beginning.
It's rated at 8.2. Tied with 5 out of the 7 games listed. The one and two spot are tied at 8.3. I'd say that's hardly any indication that it's a smashing success, or a total flop. Hell, Flyff is rated an 8.2, along with quite a few other games.
Not that it's news that the list is easily manipulated, and not a good indication of anything at all.
Well they are all out to get us. There is no doubt about that. I'm not sure who "they" or "us" is. But at least we have the moral authority. The unjust always persecute the righteous, its an outrage I tell you! Fight the Man! Fight this unjustice! Let the scales fall from your eyes and see the Truth! If you would just see it my way I am sure you would all agree and then you could be part of the silent majority whose opionion I never hear but of which I am somehow pyschically attuned to via my tinfoil hat. Afterall most people really are good people and since I am righteous they must agree with me deep down.
Well they are all out to get us. There is no doubt about that. I'm not sure who "they" or "us" is. But at least we have the moral authority. The unjust always persecute the righteous, its an outrage I tell you! Fight the Man! Fight this unjustice! Let the scales fall from your eyes and see the Truth! If you would just see it my way I am sure you would all agree and then you could be part of the silent majority whose opionion I never hear but of which I am somehow pyschically attuned to via my tinfoil hat. Afterall most people really are good people and since I am righteous they must agree with me deep down.
Just like we're suppose to see it your way. Self righteous dweeb. Everyone has their own point of view and most people like to share that point of view. Its nothing new, it doesn't require some kind of special insight. I'm more disgusted with the people who can't help themselves and bitch and whine about the complainers while adding absolutely nothing to the discussion. If you don't like the topic of a post, then don't read it or post in it and move on, but no, you've got to give your opinion and expect everyone to agree with it, hypocrite.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Originally posted by Vrazule Originally posted by gestalt11 Well they are all out to get us. There is no doubt about that. I'm not sure who "they" or "us" is. But at least we have the moral authority. The unjust always persecute the righteous, its an outrage I tell you! Fight the Man! Fight this unjustice! Let the scales fall from your eyes and see the Truth! If you would just see it my way I am sure you would all agree and then you could be part of the silent majority whose opionion I never hear but of which I am somehow pyschically attuned to via my tinfoil hat. Afterall most people really are good people and since I am righteous they must agree with me deep down.
Just like we're suppose to see it your way. Self righteous dweeb. Everyone has their own point of view and most people like to share that point of view. Its nothing new, it doesn't require some kind of special insight. I'm more disgusted with the people who can't help themselves and bitch and whine about the complainers while adding absolutely nothing to the discussion. If you don't like the topic of a post, then don't read it or post in it and move on, but no, you've got to give your opinion and expect everyone to agree with it, hypocrite.
Wow, you can actually hear the sarcasm whoosh over his head.
Your posts tend be of very high quality, well written, and extremely informative.
I'd agree with that. Hell, I've clashed opinions with Coldmeat several times on this board, and he's one of the few folks that doesn't immediately resort to personal attacks.
I won't say the same for many other users.
On a small note, let's see....
One user told me his driving force was god, and I needed something in my life worth living for.
I'm frequently told to "Grow up and get a life" for posting criticism.
3 users in particular are convinced I'm actually En1gma's alt account.
Numerous refer to me as a hater/troll, no matter what I'm posting.
Kudos Coldmeat, for keeping it civil and educated!
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
Well they are all out to get us. There is no doubt about that. I'm not sure who "they" or "us" is. But at least we have the moral authority. The unjust always persecute the righteous, its an outrage I tell you! Fight the Man! Fight this unjustice! Let the scales fall from your eyes and see the Truth! If you would just see it my way I am sure you would all agree and then you could be part of the silent majority whose opionion I never hear but of which I am somehow pyschically attuned to via my tinfoil hat. Afterall most people really are good people and since I am righteous they must agree with me deep down.
Forgive me if i'm wrong but wasn't Vanguard at one time the #1 game on the hype meter here at MMORPG.com? I seem to recall a time when VG led most of the games in development with the highest rating. Now I don't know about you but if most here were VG haters from the start then why did VG initially get rated so highly by the majority on this site? Nah I think I'll accept what my eyes see and say that VG was a flop in the majority of people eyes here and it wasn't because people naturally were haters from the beginning.
It's rated at 8.2. Tied with 5 out of the 7 games listed. The one and two spot are tied at 8.3. I'd say that's hardly any indication that it's a smashing success, or a total flop. Hell, Flyff is rated an 8.2, along with quite a few other games.
Not that it's news that the list is easily manipulated, and not a good indication of anything at all.
It's not tied, you are only going to 1 digit. The games are in rank order with the extra bits figured into it.
Is that all of these people who live on these forums, are all gold farmers who struck a deal with another, popular MMO. "Keep your account if you make 1 post a day describing to your peers how much our competitor sucks, and we will let you farm gold for 6 months before terminating your account's, provided that you are still commencing in activitys which are against our EULA".
Win-win situation, and something i find find easy to belive. Marketing is all about turning a negative into a positive, and doing dirty underhanded thing's in order to make whatever money that you can, where you can, and with whatever you can.
Is that all of these people who live on these forums, are all gold farmers who struck a deal with another, popular MMO. "Keep your account if you make 1 post a day describing to your peers how much our competitor sucks, and we will let you farm gold for 6 months before terminating your account's, provided that you are still commencing in activitys which are against our EULA".
Win-win situation, and something i find find easy to belive. Marketing is all about turning a negative into a positive, and doing dirty underhanded thing's in order to make whatever money that you can, where you can, and with whatever you can. Unless people here think that we live in a world where morallity is the majority, and that most people follow an ethical guideline..in which case, take off those glasses before they get broken.
Alright. I suppose I will make a serious post even though I tend to bother when apranoia is involved.
Your idea has a fundmental flaw. You assume they know who is a farmer or can actually control that. They cannot. They being the developers/maintiners of the games. They do ban people but they will never stop gold farmers.
You are assuming an amount of knowledge and therefore bargaining power that the developer do not and cannot have. If I ran a gold farming company and some Dev approached me with this I would laugh and say "Oh you think you can catch me? Have fun pissing your customers off, because I can guarantee that for every one of my farmers you ban you will ban two legitimate customers. Toodles, monkey-boy, you ain't got shit on me."
It is true that some Gold farming companies have boght out support sites etc and advertise on them. But that is not the same thing and for the gold sellers it makes sense. But when it comes to Devs versus Farmers they have no reason to work together. The Devs can sell wahtever they want and cut out the farmers and if they decline to do so and create the meta-amrket for in game gold they have no means of differentiating farmers. Farmers can always hide in plain sight. You won't find them and punihsing on incomplete evidence will punish players more than farmers. Especailly since smart farmers purposely mislead them into punishing players so that they will be forced to stop.
In a nutshell you do not have a leg to standon because your fundamental supposition is not only wrong, but will never be true due to the power structure and and nature of behavior differentiation. Players farm and are encouraged to farm therefore you will be hard pressed to figure who is farming in an "bad" manner. Right now it is detectable merely by a matter of excess or certain exchange behavior. All the farmer need to do is figure out what the parameters are, stay inside to appear as players, and if worse comes to worse simply rely on volume.
The game's very design makes farming a sure win. The Devs would need to redesign their game to have any power over these people. They have no power over them and therefore have no bargaining position from which to make such demands or any demands at all.
And I'm not referring to Anarchyart, or those who are usually accused of blindly championing the game.
I have a small guild on the team PVP server
Shadow, or Order? I finally caved and rolled a gobbie shaman on Varking. Something to be said for chasing those damned Raki all the way across Martok. Sadly, they always find a guard to suicide on before I can finish them...
I'm on Varking and my character is a Dark Elf Rogue, so Shadow.
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That's just it. People call me crazy or a liar because I say I can play the game perfectly on highest quality on my system, which in their summation shouldn't be able to, whereas I think they must be crazy because they can't. Just because you have one experience with a game doesn't mean that is the only way the game can be experienced. As an aside, I really feel for those who haven't yet figured out how to tweak the .ini file; without that I couldn't play, period.
Just because I don't focus mainly on the bugs and other retarded problems the game has I'm called a kool-aid drinker. Yes- the game has all kinds of bugs, but I have only crashed a handful of times in over 5 months and have experienced not one single game breaking bug. Haven't encountered a single bugged quest since a week after release. These words are the truth, whether you believe them or not.
Thing is, the games world and armor and weapons and stories and mobs and characters just please the hell out of me. Sometimes it lags to shit, but when it doesn't, it can be literally breathtaking. One time I jumped off this huge cliff above Khal and I my stomach actually went up in my throat like if you jumped from up high in real life.
Some things drive me insane too, like tonight some guy finished a quest just before me so I couldn't loot the corpse for it for about 5 minutes. I'm willing to put up with that stuff because the game has a certain something I really liked from UO and EQ. I just have fun playing the game and I have a small guild on the team PVP server and we group and shoot the breeze on ventrillo.
To the O.P., please break the prozac in half.
Memory leak does seem to be fixed, I hope so anyway because im pretty sure its what was sending me to desktop once or twice a night.
Bugs, I was so sure some NPC's were bugged, i'd click on it for ages and it just wouldnt talk to me untill some guy told me to use hail instead of right clicking.
Shadow, or Order? I finally caved and rolled a gobbie shaman on Varking. Something to be said for chasing those damned Raki all the way across Martok. Sadly, they always find a guard to suicide on before I can finish them...
I think that the fact's are, as the OP, that you people are being made fool's of and know it, and dont want to admit to that fact and will go to any lengths to run circles around that fact.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
Is that a "fact"
"most of us suspect"
who are most of us?
Ill play till I hate that game I wont hate it just because you do. thats a fact
Nice theory....however I doubt anyone at Blizzard is losing any sleep at night over this "WoW killer".
Lol. that phrase still makes me giggle. But I'm still holding out hope that this game will be much better in 6 months to a year. I'm still going to give it a try when the free trial comes out by then.
Never be afraid of choices. More choices are always good things.
Thats BS its not normal to sit on a forums bashing a game you hate , saying the same things over and over . jumping into every thread no matter what its titled thats a little more than just not liking a game . The OP is right your either been paid to do it or you have an intense hatered of SOE
When i first deleted my grand marshal rogue i was pretty mad at blizzard and when i first came here i serfed the WOW forums looking for posts that where negitive about WOW so i could go bash it , i never lied i just posted how i felt and my honest opinion.
well one day i guy qouted me and said no offence swede but you sound like a whining little baby , he said ive seen your posts all over these forums saying the same thing over and over . well of course i had to defend myself by using the same arguements the bashers here use . the differance between me and the bashers here is i only went into treads that specificaly asked for negitive feedback , i didnt jump into every tread and try and shove my negitive views down peoples throats
But after i read that i relized that the guy is right i was been a whining little baby , i had a beef with blizzard and not the people who enjoyed the game but for some reason iit made me feel good to bash WOW after i quit playing . I dont go there anymore cause really it was a good game and just because i didnt like it dosent mean people who do should be supjected to my shit day in and day out , in other words i grew up and moved on which is what a normal person who doesn't like a game does
That's just it. People call me crazy or a liar because I say I can play the game perfectly on highest quality on my system, which in their summation shouldn't be able to, whereas I think they must be crazy because they can't. Just because you have one experience with a game doesn't mean that is the only way the game can be experienced. As an aside, I really feel for those who haven't yet figured out how to tweak the .ini file; without that I couldn't play, period.
Just why does an average costumer need to tweak an ini file to get things working? This is just another incomplete part of the game.You are correct. In the beginning when this game was announced it WAS the most hyped game out there. However, just before the NDA was lifted it's hype ratings started dropping pretty significantly due to all the beta leaks. Also due to promises made by Brad that were not to see the light of day (At least by release day). So just before the release the Hype meter was around a 7.2.
Come release you had most (if not all) of the Vanguard fans hyping the rating back up to it's currect state of 8.2. Many of the Vanguard haters did'nt bother to rate it (although many did, I'm sure and rated it a 1).
I'd also like to think though, that one reason for the high ratings is that the ones who hate this game and never played it DID NOT rate it. The ratings are (in all honesty) for people that are currently PLAYING the game. At least that's how it's supposed to be.
Never be afraid of choices. More choices are always good things.
It's rated at 8.2. Tied with 5 out of the 7 games listed. The one and two spot are tied at 8.3. I'd say that's hardly any indication that it's a smashing success, or a total flop. Hell, Flyff is rated an 8.2, along with quite a few other games.
Not that it's news that the list is easily manipulated, and not a good indication of anything at all.
Just like we're suppose to see it your way. Self righteous dweeb. Everyone has their own point of view and most people like to share that point of view. Its nothing new, it doesn't require some kind of special insight. I'm more disgusted with the people who can't help themselves and bitch and whine about the complainers while adding absolutely nothing to the discussion. If you don't like the topic of a post, then don't read it or post in it and move on, but no, you've got to give your opinion and expect everyone to agree with it, hypocrite.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Just like we're suppose to see it your way. Self righteous dweeb. Everyone has their own point of view and most people like to share that point of view. Its nothing new, it doesn't require some kind of special insight. I'm more disgusted with the people who can't help themselves and bitch and whine about the complainers while adding absolutely nothing to the discussion. If you don't like the topic of a post, then don't read it or post in it and move on, but no, you've got to give your opinion and expect everyone to agree with it, hypocrite.
Wow, you can actually hear the sarcasm whoosh over his head.
I won't say the same for many other users.
On a small note, let's see....
One user told me his driving force was god, and I needed something in my life worth living for.
I'm frequently told to "Grow up and get a life" for posting criticism.
3 users in particular are convinced I'm actually En1gma's alt account.
Numerous refer to me as a hater/troll, no matter what I'm posting.
Kudos Coldmeat, for keeping it civil and educated!
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
It's rated at 8.2. Tied with 5 out of the 7 games listed. The one and two spot are tied at 8.3. I'd say that's hardly any indication that it's a smashing success, or a total flop. Hell, Flyff is rated an 8.2, along with quite a few other games.
Not that it's news that the list is easily manipulated, and not a good indication of anything at all.
It's not tied, you are only going to 1 digit. The games are in rank order with the extra bits figured into it.
Alex Jones called. He wants his paranoia back.
Your idea has a fundmental flaw. You assume they know who is a farmer or can actually control that. They cannot. They being the developers/maintiners of the games. They do ban people but they will never stop gold farmers.
You are assuming an amount of knowledge and therefore bargaining power that the developer do not and cannot have. If I ran a gold farming company and some Dev approached me with this I would laugh and say "Oh you think you can catch me? Have fun pissing your customers off, because I can guarantee that for every one of my farmers you ban you will ban two legitimate customers. Toodles, monkey-boy, you ain't got shit on me."
It is true that some Gold farming companies have boght out support sites etc and advertise on them. But that is not the same thing and for the gold sellers it makes sense. But when it comes to Devs versus Farmers they have no reason to work together. The Devs can sell wahtever they want and cut out the farmers and if they decline to do so and create the meta-amrket for in game gold they have no means of differentiating farmers. Farmers can always hide in plain sight. You won't find them and punihsing on incomplete evidence will punish players more than farmers. Especailly since smart farmers purposely mislead them into punishing players so that they will be forced to stop.
In a nutshell you do not have a leg to standon because your fundamental supposition is not only wrong, but will never be true due to the power structure and and nature of behavior differentiation. Players farm and are encouraged to farm therefore you will be hard pressed to figure who is farming in an "bad" manner. Right now it is detectable merely by a matter of excess or certain exchange behavior. All the farmer need to do is figure out what the parameters are, stay inside to appear as players, and if worse comes to worse simply rely on volume.
The game's very design makes farming a sure win. The Devs would need to redesign their game to have any power over these people. They have no power over them and therefore have no bargaining position from which to make such demands or any demands at all.
Shadow, or Order? I finally caved and rolled a gobbie shaman on Varking. Something to be said for chasing those damned Raki all the way across Martok. Sadly, they always find a guard to suicide on before I can finish them...
I'm on Varking and my character is a Dark Elf Rogue, so Shadow.