You could argue that lack of official forums lets you establish a greater, more diverse community...
But you would be wrong.
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Please anyone... show me official forums that are mainly used for constructive feed back to help the game. Also has to be better then 30% of the subscriber base active on the forums (at least post once a week)... anyone?
Why is it different? Because the developers cultured a mindset of helpfulness, respect, and enjoyment.
You reap what you sow, posters only post in the manner that developer and community leaders set/cultivate.
Wow is also not a good comparsion on anything, as its has 8 million+ subscribers, thats a large slice of everyone/type of persion, and a ton of ..children.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Forums have always been a bad feedback and a completly unuseful time sink for devs, only a very small vocal minority post in forums.
For feedback the best is to make quick online polls (EA mythic is well aware of that) and use the time spend on banning/mod/answer to same question/delete to actually chat with players online, read sugestion send via ingame petition, and supporting the game online and not to waste time in some obscure place used by the usually whinney minority.
Please anyone... show me official forums that are mainly used for constructive feed back to help the game. Also has to be better then 30% of the subscriber base active on the forums (at least post once a week)... anyone?
Why is it different? Because the developers cultured a mindset of helpfulness, respect, and enjoyment.
You reap what you sow, posters only post in the manner that developer and community leaders set/cultivate.
Wow is also not a good comparsion on anything, as its has 8 million+ subscribers, thats a large slice of everyone/type of persion, and a ton of ..children.
No it is different because they have less then 10K base players. Lets face it... the people left in Ryzom are hardcore fans. You can hardly compare a game that will likely only have 5% of WARs subscribers. That is like comparing a local coffee house to starbucks... not really a point... Come back when you can give an example for a mainstream MMO... gonna take a while.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
Vote: BAD thing. Sorry but it is. There aren't too many MMO's out there that have succeeded without official forums. Let's take Vanguard as a prime example. Not saying that WAR will fail, but not having official forums...hell some folks play MMO's because of COMMUNITY. They won't even think twice about this one and go play AoC. Just a thought.
Vote: BAD thing. Sorry but it is. There aren't too many MMO's out there that have succeeded without official forums. Let's take Vanguard as a prime example. Not saying that WAR will fail, but not having official forums...hell some folks play MMO's because of COMMUNITY. They won't even think twice about this one and go play AoC. Just a thought.
Yeah because DAoC failed with it's lack of official forums. We all know how bad that game tanked.....
Mythic are doing this from experience, not because it's some grand new scheme.
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Vote: BAD thing. Sorry but it is. There aren't too many MMO's out there that have succeeded without official forums. Let's take Vanguard as a prime example. Not saying that WAR will fail, but not having official forums...hell some folks play MMO's because of COMMUNITY. They won't even think twice about this one and go play AoC. Just a thought.
Vanguard did have forums, they took them down near the end of beta because they knew the fact that they would of heard the out cry of their fan base. It was a quick fix to hide themselves from the truth.
Most official forums i've trolled through are full of threads dedicated to people pissing all over each others opinions... which is a good thing to cut out.
However, i actually think official forums should always be included just for the community aspect and keeping up the relations with the paying public. Cutting out the opinion based topics and including things like technical issues, customer service, guild recruitment, etc would be the ideal solution in my mind.
Not having foums makes me suspicious... unless they intend to just put all their resources into ingame help.
Most official forums i've trolled through are full of threads dedicated to people pissing all over each others opinions... which is a good thing to cut out. However, i actually think official forums should always be included just for the community aspect and keeping up the relations with the paying public. Cutting out the opinion based topics and including things like technical issues, customer service, guild recruitment, etc would be the ideal solution in my mind. Not having foums makes me suspicious... unless they intend to just put all their resources into ingame help.
They have a system that worked for them well with DAoC. And they also frequent the Fansites rather often. Just to go www.warhammeralliance.com and go under Forums to the "Dev Tracker" and you'll see that lots of people from Mythic, including the CEO post there more than weekly.
They have kept up a great relation with the fans so far. So much so that most of the fans really feel like they're being heard.
Also there's the Herald. Check out the Camelot Herald and you'll see what this is. It's a central source of all information for the game.
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Regardless of whether or not Official forums are filled with constructive ideas, flaming posts, random babble or whatever the case may be, its still the company's duty to give you this service so you may post YOUR concerns. Even if alot of the forums do contain alot of garbage, it is still a good place to congregate. Its like having a hot dog without the mustard. Or Ketchup. Or whatever you put on it. If its plain, well then lucky you.
Regardless of whether or not Official forums are filled with constructive ideas, flaming posts, random babble or whatever the case may be, its still the company's duty to give you this service so you may post YOUR concerns. Even if alot of the forums do contain alot of garbage, it is still a good place to congregate. Its like having a hot dog without the mustard. Or Ketchup. Or whatever you put on it. If its plain, well then lucky you.
They have a way to post your concerns. It's via submitting something IIRC. The only reason people feel they need to post their concerns on a forum is to be the center of attention.
If there's a submission system for any concerns you have, then that problem is completely solved. Then you're able to voice your concerns without creating a huge thread for nothing but flames from others.
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Hmm, interesting concept. I can see problems arising from that type of system, and you still wont be able to talk to other players. We'll have to see how it works out.
i tend to agree with checkthis. as long as they have a venue or option either in game or a in game browser to submit bugs, petitions and submittals of issues then i dont think its a true issue to have forums other than create a area for which people can congregrate. with that there is a possibility of the one person saying the wrong thing, in a wrong way and people will tend to get bent otu of shape,whether due to be protective of the game, or not liking a person being rude. i feel as long as they give you the ability to submit bugs, petitions etc directly in game or indirectly via browser, it doesnt bother me.
but at the same time forums creates a area in which people can hang out and talk to each other. its hard to make lacks of forums work well over on players. youll tend to get people who will get fussy and it tends to be well deserved as a lack of a forum raises certain questions on such suspicious behavior by a company.
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Hmm, interesting concept. I can see problems arising from that type of system, and you still wont be able to talk to other players. We'll have to see how it works out.
sure you can. There are quite a few fansites where player activity is very similar to what you'd see at the official forums.
The difference being that on official forums since they're "official" people think that the devs are listening and reading every post so most are directed "to" the devs.
Whereas on an unofficial fansite forum, people actually have beneficial discussions both good and bad about the game.
And when the mods lock a thread where people are bitching, people don't start saying that it's because the devs want to silence them.
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I'm still saying they're gonna lose a whole load of customers because they don't know what to do and there's no forum to help them.
yup that tends to be a possiblity. people like having soapboxes in which to express their grievances. and as they should if the companies wish to keep a customer base which feels like it is being listened to.
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Vote: BAD thing. Sorry but it is. There aren't too many MMO's out there that have succeeded without official forums. Let's take Vanguard as a prime example. Not saying that WAR will fail, but not having official forums...hell some folks play MMO's because of COMMUNITY. They won't even think twice about this one and go play AoC. Just a thought.
Gee thanks, for bringing back a dead topic. lets bludgeon it some more and see if theirs still some life to it, no sense in leaving it in a comma.
I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad, The dreams in which I'm dieing are the best I've ever had.
Vote: BAD thing. Sorry but it is. There aren't too many MMO's out there that have succeeded without official forums. Let's take Vanguard as a prime example. Not saying that WAR will fail, but not having official forums...hell some folks play MMO's because of COMMUNITY. They won't even think twice about this one and go play AoC. Just a thought.
Gee thanks, for bringing back a dead topic. lets bludgeon it some more and see if theirs still some life to it, no sense in leaving it in a comma.
It came from this post, as someone new to war, and prob didn't know topic had been covered before, would it not be fair and right for him to have his own opinion? especially he feels strongly about it? Also got a few other opinions in the mean time on the topic
I have my own concerns too about it but its already been covered like pages 1-18
I'm still saying they're gonna lose a whole load of customers because they don't know what to do and there's no forum to help them.
yup that tends to be a possiblity. people like having soapboxes in which to express their grievances. and as they should if the companies wish to keep a customer base which feels like it is being listened to.
There is a way to express your opinions to the company, amazingly. Its called customer support, which is very reliable, compared to hoping an admin in a forum will give you a blue response, which wont happen. There is also the war herald, the main sight, the hundreds of community forums which will be linked to the mains site, and your a dumbass.
why u gotta resort to calling me a dumbass?? are u referring to me?or sramota id like to know its a shame u have to resort to name calling and slander to get your point across, you lost all respect and credibility in posting your response ending with an insult.
but to remain on subject, there are some people that enjoy the community, its more than ebing able to communicate directly with the customer support anyone can do that thru in game petition etc, but people like the comforting feeling of knowing their grievance is being heard or communicating to other players who are facing the same dilema. and a blue response is recogintion theyre grievance is possibly being acknowledged, regardless of the outcome.
the MMO's that havent had a official forum didnt fair well, its a fact of life so far, who knows maybe itll change later on. who knows but its already creating a stir which is obvious.
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Just wanted to chime in and say official forums don't truly do anything special. Most things you can find on official forums, you can find on major fan sites. Developers know where the major fan sites are so they can visit those just as easily as main forums.
I'm still saying they're gonna lose a whole load of customers because they don't know what to do and there's no forum to help them.
yup that tends to be a possiblity. people like having soapboxes in which to express their grievances. and as they should if the companies wish to keep a customer base which feels like it is being listened to.
There is a way to express your opinions to the company, amazingly. Its called customer support, which is very reliable, compared to hoping an admin in a forum will give you a blue response, which wont happen. There is also the war herald, the main sight, the hundreds of community forums which will be linked to the mains site, and your a dumbass.
why u gotta resort to calling me a dumbass?? are u referring to me?or sramota id like to know its a shame u have to resort to name calling and slander to get your point across, you lost all respect and credibility in posting your response ending with an insult.
but to remain on subject, there are some people that enjoy the community, its more than ebing able to communicate directly with the customer support anyone can do that thru in game petition etc, but people like the comforting feeling of knowing their grievance is being heard or communicating to other players who are facing the same dilema. and a blue response is recogintion theyre grievance is possibly being acknowledged, regardless of the outcome.
the MMO's that havent had a official forum didnt fair well, its a fact of life so far, who knows maybe itll change later on. who knows but its already creating a stir which is obvious.
You can just make fun of him for saying your a dumbass instead of you're, always gives me a chuckle when someone does that. Anyway you are wrong with your last statement, DAoC had a wonderful community with realm pride etc and were very in touch with the players on fan sites. Go ahead and check out "other" games communities on their main sites, most helpful post are drowned out by whiners and "new" players are called n00bs by any L337 kiddie. I understand your concern with a lack of knowedge but I assure you, the DAoC Herald did a fine job updating players with recent info. Im sure WARhearld will be no different, maybe even better.
skitz thanx for correcting me, at least i can say now im in the "know" : much appreciated :P. fan sites tend to get a bit foggy though tend to lose their focus, im personally not all that "favored" toward them for my own personal reasons i tend to like official forums. not all fansites are bad ones, so I wont paint them all with a broad stroke .
but i guess I feel your correct in that a game can function properly with its customer/sub base properly despite having no main forum site. well just have to wait and see how war favors. i myself have good feelings for war just gotta be positive. i never played DAoC so i guess knowing is half da battle :P
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As has been said many times before -- It's worked just fine for Dark Age of Camelot given the herald releases all official information and handles feedback as well. All this extra information people are expecting? Typically it is consolidated into sites like WarCry or Allakhazam (and the occasional fan site).
If you're looking to meet people in the forums to play with rather than meet them in-game....well, that's your issue to figure out....
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But you would be wrong.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
http://forums.ryzom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=7
Why is it different? Because the developers cultured a mindset of helpfulness, respect, and enjoyment.
You reap what you sow, posters only post in the manner that developer and community leaders set/cultivate.
Wow is also not a good comparsion on anything, as its has 8 million+ subscribers, thats a large slice of everyone/type of persion, and a ton of ..children.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Forums have always been a bad feedback and a completly unuseful time sink for devs, only a very small vocal minority post in forums.
For feedback the best is to make quick online polls (EA mythic is well aware of that) and use the time spend on banning/mod/answer to same question/delete to actually chat with players online, read sugestion send via ingame petition, and supporting the game online and not to waste time in some obscure place used by the usually whinney minority.
http://forums.ryzom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=7
Why is it different? Because the developers cultured a mindset of helpfulness, respect, and enjoyment.
You reap what you sow, posters only post in the manner that developer and community leaders set/cultivate.
Wow is also not a good comparsion on anything, as its has 8 million+ subscribers, thats a large slice of everyone/type of persion, and a ton of ..children.
No it is different because they have less then 10K base players. Lets face it... the people left in Ryzom are hardcore fans. You can hardly compare a game that will likely only have 5% of WARs subscribers. That is like comparing a local coffee house to starbucks... not really a point... Come back when you can give an example for a mainstream MMO... gonna take a while.
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
Vote: BAD thing. Sorry but it is. There aren't too many MMO's out there that have succeeded without official forums. Let's take Vanguard as a prime example. Not saying that WAR will fail, but not having official forums...hell some folks play MMO's because of COMMUNITY. They won't even think twice about this one and go play AoC. Just a thought.
Mythic are doing this from experience, not because it's some grand new scheme.
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I live to fight, and fight to live.
Vanguard did have forums, they took them down near the end of beta because they knew the fact that they would of heard the out cry of their fan base. It was a quick fix to hide themselves from the truth.
Most official forums i've trolled through are full of threads dedicated to people pissing all over each others opinions... which is a good thing to cut out.
However, i actually think official forums should always be included just for the community aspect and keeping up the relations with the paying public. Cutting out the opinion based topics and including things like technical issues, customer service, guild recruitment, etc would be the ideal solution in my mind.
Not having foums makes me suspicious... unless they intend to just put all their resources into ingame help.
They have kept up a great relation with the fans so far. So much so that most of the fans really feel like they're being heard.
Also there's the Herald. Check out the Camelot Herald and you'll see what this is. It's a central source of all information for the game.
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I live to fight, and fight to live.
Regardless of whether or not Official forums are filled with constructive ideas, flaming posts, random babble or whatever the case may be, its still the company's duty to give you this service so you may post YOUR concerns. Even if alot of the forums do contain alot of garbage, it is still a good place to congregate. Its like having a hot dog without the mustard. Or Ketchup. Or whatever you put on it. If its plain, well then lucky you.
If there's a submission system for any concerns you have, then that problem is completely solved. Then you're able to voice your concerns without creating a huge thread for nothing but flames from others.
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I live to fight, and fight to live.
yep
Hmm, interesting concept. I can see problems arising from that type of system, and you still wont be able to talk to other players. We'll have to see how it works out.
i tend to agree with checkthis. as long as they have a venue or option either in game or a in game browser to submit bugs, petitions and submittals of issues then i dont think its a true issue to have forums other than create a area for which people can congregrate. with that there is a possibility of the one person saying the wrong thing, in a wrong way and people will tend to get bent otu of shape,whether due to be protective of the game, or not liking a person being rude. i feel as long as they give you the ability to submit bugs, petitions etc directly in game or indirectly via browser, it doesnt bother me.
but at the same time forums creates a area in which people can hang out and talk to each other. its hard to make lacks of forums work well over on players. youll tend to get people who will get fussy and it tends to be well deserved as a lack of a forum raises certain questions on such suspicious behavior by a company.
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The difference being that on official forums since they're "official" people think that the devs are listening and reading every post so most are directed "to" the devs.
Whereas on an unofficial fansite forum, people actually have beneficial discussions both good and bad about the game.
And when the mods lock a thread where people are bitching, people don't start saying that it's because the devs want to silence them.
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I live to fight, and fight to live.
I'm still saying they're gonna lose a whole load of customers because they don't know what to do and there's no forum to help them.
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yup that tends to be a possiblity. people like having soapboxes in which to express their grievances. and as they should if the companies wish to keep a customer base which feels like it is being listened to.
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Gee thanks, for bringing back a dead topic. lets bludgeon it some more and see if theirs still some life to it, no sense in leaving it in a comma.
I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad, The dreams in which I'm dieing are the best I've ever had.
Gee thanks, for bringing back a dead topic. lets bludgeon it some more and see if theirs still some life to it, no sense in leaving it in a comma.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/146068
It came from this post, as someone new to war, and prob didn't know topic had been covered before, would it not be fair and right for him to have his own opinion? especially he feels strongly about it? Also got a few other opinions in the mean time on the topic
I have my own concerns too about it but its already been covered like pages 1-18
yup that tends to be a possiblity. people like having soapboxes in which to express their grievances. and as they should if the companies wish to keep a customer base which feels like it is being listened to.
There is a way to express your opinions to the company, amazingly. Its called customer support, which is very reliable, compared to hoping an admin in a forum will give you a blue response, which wont happen. There is also the war herald, the main sight, the hundreds of community forums which will be linked to the mains site, and your a dumbass.
why u gotta resort to calling me a dumbass?? are u referring to me?or sramota id like to know its a shame u have to resort to name calling and slander to get your point across, you lost all respect and credibility in posting your response ending with an insult.
but to remain on subject, there are some people that enjoy the community, its more than ebing able to communicate directly with the customer support anyone can do that thru in game petition etc, but people like the comforting feeling of knowing their grievance is being heard or communicating to other players who are facing the same dilema. and a blue response is recogintion theyre grievance is possibly being acknowledged, regardless of the outcome.
the MMO's that havent had a official forum didnt fair well, its a fact of life so far, who knows maybe itll change later on. who knows but its already creating a stir which is obvious.
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Just wanted to chime in and say official forums don't truly do anything special. Most things you can find on official forums, you can find on major fan sites. Developers know where the major fan sites are so they can visit those just as easily as main forums.
yup that tends to be a possiblity. people like having soapboxes in which to express their grievances. and as they should if the companies wish to keep a customer base which feels like it is being listened to.
There is a way to express your opinions to the company, amazingly. Its called customer support, which is very reliable, compared to hoping an admin in a forum will give you a blue response, which wont happen. There is also the war herald, the main sight, the hundreds of community forums which will be linked to the mains site, and your a dumbass.
why u gotta resort to calling me a dumbass?? are u referring to me?or sramota id like to know its a shame u have to resort to name calling and slander to get your point across, you lost all respect and credibility in posting your response ending with an insult.
but to remain on subject, there are some people that enjoy the community, its more than ebing able to communicate directly with the customer support anyone can do that thru in game petition etc, but people like the comforting feeling of knowing their grievance is being heard or communicating to other players who are facing the same dilema. and a blue response is recogintion theyre grievance is possibly being acknowledged, regardless of the outcome.
the MMO's that havent had a official forum didnt fair well, its a fact of life so far, who knows maybe itll change later on. who knows but its already creating a stir which is obvious.
You can just make fun of him for saying your a dumbass instead of you're, always gives me a chuckle when someone does that
skitz thanx for correcting me, at least i can say now im in the "know" : much appreciated :P. fan sites tend to get a bit foggy though tend to lose their focus, im personally not all that "favored" toward them for my own personal reasons i tend to like official forums. not all fansites are bad ones, so I wont paint them all with a broad stroke .
but i guess I feel your correct in that a game can function properly with its customer/sub base properly despite having no main forum site. well just have to wait and see how war favors. i myself have good feelings for war just gotta be positive. i never played DAoC so i guess knowing is half da battle :P
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I voted "godd thing".
As has been said many times before -- It's worked just fine for Dark Age of Camelot given the herald releases all official information and handles feedback as well. All this extra information people are expecting? Typically it is consolidated into sites like WarCry or Allakhazam (and the occasional fan site).
If you're looking to meet people in the forums to play with rather than meet them in-game....well, that's your issue to figure out....
Yup just look at WoW. Although having official forums is one of the best ways for both the community and developers to communicate.