hmm ... pvp will be in instance battlegrounds like in Wow? ... everyone who played Wow know that battlegrounds completely destroyed outdoor pvp, ofc u can still playing pvp outside battleground bla bla bla, but no one is doing that .. only ppl that expired some outdoor pvp on the beginning of the game are making raids from time to time and whine on forum how instance pvp is stupid. and same will be with warhammer, especially if they will give any items rewards for battlegrounds, anyway warhammer is copy/paste Wow so what would you expect? the most funny thing is how they advertising warhammer "war is everywhere ... " lol ... in Wow war is everywhere too and? ... i read much about warhammer and i can't see anything new in this game.
We will see what happens, but if WAR gets a significant amount of dissatisfied WoW PVPers , I am sure that the "shut up and heal" phrase will be around for quiet a while.....
I hope you guys are right though, because the VERY FIRST TIME that someone tells me to stop meleeing, to get into the rear and heal;
THERE WILL BE MUCH BLOODSHED AND VIOLENCE, AND CRYING TO THEIR MOTHERS!!
[And I meant: "At least in WoW, with no collision detection you can run straight to the healer(if your not CCed of course")]
To some people healing is fun, if you don't want to heal don't roll a healing class. It's as simple as that. That has nothing to do with it. Ty already stated he likes to play a Healing class, just not one that sits in the back and does nothing but heal. That is harmful in the way Healing works in WAR.
If the Healer in any of my groups isn't fighting, they will be yelled at. Sometimes that's the only way to get through to people. If anyone in any of my groups tells the Healer to stop fighting and heal, that person will not be receiving any heals until they apologize. If they die, they did it to themselves. Sure that is a mean way to go about it. I've learned in my 9 years of playing MMOs that if you want people to change their misconceptions, being nice doesn't work. So you have to force them into a position that will make them realize what they are doing doesn't work. Typically, that means being mean and/or cruel. If I don't end up with a lot of groups, that's ok. My guild is planning to move to WAR. I won't be doing much in the way of PUGs. Just filling slots in the group if we are short.
And the CC/CD comment makes a lot more sense now that I know it's tied to WoW not WAR.
hmm ... pvp will be in instance battlegrounds like in Wow? ... everyone who played Wow know that battlegrounds completely destroyed outdoor pvp, ofc u can still playing pvp outside battleground bla bla bla, but no one is doing that .. only ppl that expired some outdoor pvp on the beginning of the game are making raids from time to time and whine on forum how instance pvp is stupid. and same will be with warhammer, especially if they will give any items rewards for battlegrounds, anyway warhammer is copy/paste Wow so what would you expect? the most funny thing is how they advertising warhammer "war is everywhere ... " lol ... in Wow war is everywhere too and? ... i read much about warhammer and i can't see anything new in this game.
in wow war is everythere? sry but thats wrong. guilds of both sides waiting infront of some instance spamming each other with emotes instead of fighting, same in the outposts
hey hey .. there is alliance and horde war, at least there should be , there is exacly what you sad but its other thing , i just trying to tell that "war is everywhere" these are empy words, war developers saying that these game is most about pvp and war and now they just showing its poor copy of Wow pvp ... all know that wow pvp is horrible, so what i should do if i hear that, just laugh on them.
hey hey .. there is alliance and horde war, at least there should be , there is exacly what you sad but its other thing , i just trying to tell that "war is everywhere" these are empy words, war developers saying that these game is most about pvp and war and now they just showing its poor copy of Wow pvp ... all know that wow pvp is horrible, so what i should do if i hear that, just laugh on them.
i continue to be amazed at the access that mythic is giving to these people, i mean to have played the game for long enough to know that its just a clone of WoW pvp at this early stage... wow.
simple solution osq2, seeing as you hated your experience with WAR so much, why dont you just... not buy it? you seem to enjoy WoW, so more power to you i say, i hope you get your next epic soon.
WAR's PvP system is only similar to WoW's in a superficial manner. "Instances? Oh noes! WoW clone!"
Hardly. Why did instances kill outdoor PvP in WoW? Because that's where all the rewards were. People grind AB and AV so they can go up in the ranks faster, and get better gear. Plus, rep grinding for BG specific gear. What do people get while in outdoor PvP? Repair costs. There weren't even any goals for outdoor PvP.
In WAR, entire sections of the zones are intended for PvP, and they have various goals and quests associated with the PvP. Capturing certain points of interest, for example. Or maybe the Order faction needs to go out and heal some NPC Dwarves, while the Greenskins are sent out to kill the very same Dwarves. Plus, you can loot player corpses (not their gear, though).
This is in CONJUNCTION with the instancing portion of gameplay. As I understand it (and I may be wrong), you need both to complete goals in the outdoor PvP zones, as well as gain a certain amount of Victory Points over the enemy. The Victory Points mostly come from the instances. So, each side needs people in the instances, AND in the outdoor PvP.
Seriously. It's Are'el. This forum doesn't allow apostrophes in usernames.
hey hey .. there is alliance and horde war, at least there should be , there is exacly what you sad but its other thing , i just trying to tell that "war is everywhere" these are empy words, war developers saying that these game is most about pvp and war and now they just showing its poor copy of Wow pvp ... all know that wow pvp is horrible, so what i should do if i hear that, just laugh on them.
i continue to be amazed at the access that mythic is giving to these people, i mean to have played the game for long enough to know that its just a clone of WoW pvp at this early stage... wow.
simple solution osq2, seeing as you hated your experience with WAR so much, why dont you just... not buy it? you seem to enjoy WoW, so more power to you i say, i hope you get your next epic soon.
Yeah, mind backing that up with facts and examples? I mean, as far as I can tell you didn't do anything but mash one key or autoattack. Chances are you haven't even played the game. Chances are you haven't even looked at the screenshots.
Originally posted by Distortion0 Yeah, mind backing that up with facts and examples?
backing what up?
I mean, as far as I can tell you didn't do anything but mash one key or autoattack.
what are you talking about?
Chances are you haven't even played the game.
nope, and more importantly, i never claimed i had.
Chances are you haven't even looked at the screenshots.
thats a wager you would lose.
i think theres a good chance that you might have misread my post, might i suggest that you re-read it in context and bear in mind that sarcasm is very popular outside the USA.
I don't want speed in WAR. I like the fact that CC has been removed. I like the fact that Buffbots are going to be a thing of the past. I like the direction WAR is taking.
I agree 100%
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
Yeah, mind backing that up with facts and examples?
backing what up?
I mean, as far as I can tell you didn't do anything but mash one key or autoattack.
what are you talking about?
Chances are you haven't even played the game.
nope, and more importantly, i never claimed i had.
Chances are you haven't even looked at the screenshots.
thats a wager you would lose.
i think theres a good chance that you might have misread my post, might i suggest that you re-read it in context and bear in mind that sarcasm is very popular outside the USA.
Sarcasm is popular in the USA also! Xennith bear in mind, that its almost impossible to tell the differance between a arse and somenoe being sarcastic in text.... Many a flame war and hurt feeling has been started because somenoes "obviously" (see? Sarcasm ) sarcastic comment was 'misread' or taken out of context.
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RvR? www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/podcast/files/WAR-pp_2006-11_RvR.html
imba RvR kek
If the Healer in any of my groups isn't fighting, they will be yelled at. Sometimes that's the only way to get through to people. If anyone in any of my groups tells the Healer to stop fighting and heal, that person will not be receiving any heals until they apologize. If they die, they did it to themselves. Sure that is a mean way to go about it. I've learned in my 9 years of playing MMOs that if you want people to change their misconceptions, being nice doesn't work. So you have to force them into a position that will make them realize what they are doing doesn't work. Typically, that means being mean and/or cruel. If I don't end up with a lot of groups, that's ok. My guild is planning to move to WAR. I won't be doing much in the way of PUGs. Just filling slots in the group if we are short.
And the CC/CD comment makes a lot more sense now that I know it's tied to WoW not WAR.
atleast it was like that on my server
simple solution osq2, seeing as you hated your experience with WAR so much, why dont you just... not buy it? you seem to enjoy WoW, so more power to you i say, i hope you get your next epic soon.
WAR's PvP system is only similar to WoW's in a superficial manner. "Instances? Oh noes! WoW clone!"
Hardly. Why did instances kill outdoor PvP in WoW? Because that's where all the rewards were. People grind AB and AV so they can go up in the ranks faster, and get better gear. Plus, rep grinding for BG specific gear. What do people get while in outdoor PvP? Repair costs. There weren't even any goals for outdoor PvP.
In WAR, entire sections of the zones are intended for PvP, and they have various goals and quests associated with the PvP. Capturing certain points of interest, for example. Or maybe the Order faction needs to go out and heal some NPC Dwarves, while the Greenskins are sent out to kill the very same Dwarves. Plus, you can loot player corpses (not their gear, though).
This is in CONJUNCTION with the instancing portion of gameplay. As I understand it (and I may be wrong), you need both to complete goals in the outdoor PvP zones, as well as gain a certain amount of Victory Points over the enemy. The Victory Points mostly come from the instances. So, each side needs people in the instances, AND in the outdoor PvP.
Seriously.
It's Are'el. This forum doesn't allow apostrophes in usernames.
simple solution osq2, seeing as you hated your experience with WAR so much, why dont you just... not buy it? you seem to enjoy WoW, so more power to you i say, i hope you get your next epic soon.
Yeah, mind backing that up with facts and examples? I mean, as far as I can tell you didn't do anything but mash one key or autoattack. Chances are you haven't even played the game. Chances are you haven't even looked at the screenshots.
i think theres a good chance that you might have misread my post, might i suggest that you re-read it in context and bear in mind that sarcasm is very popular outside the USA.
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
i think theres a good chance that you might have misread my post, might i suggest that you re-read it in context and bear in mind that sarcasm is very popular outside the USA.
Sarcasm is popular in the USA also! Xennith bear in mind, that its almost impossible to tell the differance between a arse and somenoe being sarcastic in text.... Many a flame war and hurt feeling has been started because somenoes "obviously" (see? Sarcasm
) sarcastic comment was 'misread' or taken out of context.