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Good game for the Roleplayers
nitefly
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All the technical nit-picking aside, this game has one thing going for it and that's the way it caters to roleplayers. Some people think large raids with super bosses and even more super loot when they think "end-game" but if you're also into roleplaying in these games then Vanguard will definately deliver a good solid foundation for you to build your personal (or Guild) saga on.
It is true that it might be tough to level to max level in one of the three spheres (or all three simultaneously) when compared to WoW but is that really the point for EVERYBODY?!
All the other games can keep their compulsory end-game raiding for all I care, a bit of community spirit, a huge set of options laid out before me and Vanguard is a recipe for good hours spent online.
I just don't get why the "official" roleplaying servers run without a PvP ruleset...
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I have to disagree
I think LotRO is a much better game for roleplayers, it has well written lore, instruments, smoking, and no performance issues, it also looks wonderful and the art style is amazing. I think roleplayers would appreciate not having to worry about system performance but still have a great looking game.
You can also change your facial expression in LotRO.
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
Yet you can't really change anything else as far as character customizations go whether it's during creation or ingame everyone looks the same.
Yet you can't really change anything else as far as character customizations go whether it's during creation or ingame everyone looks the same.
In game... not in the later levels, people start to aquire more unique gear even by level 10
During creation yes the customisation is poor, very poor imo, but then again this game is in CB
Also are you trying to tell me that VSoH has a deep character customisation process where characters of the same race actually look different to each other? Because that is very untrue. VSoH let's you choose from about 4 faces which practically all look the same, the only difference I found from me and other Wood Elves is that I was smaller than most and more skinny.
EDIT: In conclusion both games have poor customisation at the creation process of their characters at the present moment so that point is null when it comes to roleplaying.
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
Yet you can't really change anything else as far as character customizations go whether it's during creation or ingame everyone looks the same.
In game... not in the later levels, people start to aquire more unique gear even by level 10
During creation yes the customisation is poor, very poor imo, but then again this game is in CB
Also are you trying to tell me that VSoH has a deep character customisation process where characters of the same race actually look different to each other? Because that is very untrue. VSoH let's you choose from about 4 faces which practically all look the same, the only difference I found from me and other Wood Elves is that I was smaller than most and more skinny.
EDIT: In conclusion both games have poor customisation at the creation process of their characters at the present moment so that point is null when it comes to roleplaying.
Yet there is more things to change with the vg charactor customization, Sometimes to somepeople the little details matter more than the overall appearance. and yes maybe in later level people start to aquire more unique gear but in the end everyone is going to shoot for that same gear. Will be the same with vg also though.
Has anyone found a chair they can sit in? A bar they can actually walk around and socialize in? Any tools to help DM a player run event? Is there any in game tools at all that support role playing?
Yeah, no, sorry. Sure the "Setting" might be ideal for role playing, there's absolutely no support at a gaming level to make Vanguard a great roleplaying venue. Quite honestly EQ2, WoW, MxO, Lineage2, SWG, SoR all do a much better job at promoting RolePlaying, if not only marginally.
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There are bars, they are called taverns and they are in every major city in game. on florendyl they hold weekly tavern nights in khals tavern. and the sitting in chairs are coming, was something that had to be postponed till after launch. So all your points you made with the exception of sitting in chairs are invalid.
There are bars, they are called taverns and they are in every major city in game. on florendyl they hold weekly tavern nights in khals tavern. and the sitting in chairs are coming, was something that had to be postponed till after launch. So all your points you made with the exception of sitting in chairs are invalid.
Oh excelent, could you please link me a few things.
First the post where a developer states the date of the patch when they'll be introducing such animations as sitting, laying down and craftable goods that people can use for these animations.
Second, can you please post a link to the DM tools provided in game.
Third you can please detail any other tools provided to players to create and run player-run events.
Since your so quick to call my oppinion invalid, I'd imagine you have all this information on hand, correct??
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There are bars, they are called taverns and they are in every major city in game. on florendyl they hold weekly tavern nights in khals tavern. and the sitting in chairs are coming, was something that had to be postponed till after launch. So all your points you made with the exception of sitting in chairs are invalid.
Oh excelent, could you please link me a few things.
First the post where a developer states the date of the patch when they'll be introducing such animations as sitting, laying down and craftable goods that people can use for these animations.
Second, can you please post a link to the DM tools provided in game.
Third you can please detail any other tools provided to players to create and run player-run events.
Since your so quick to call my oppinion invalid, I'd imagine you have all this information on hand, correct??
who me ?
There are bars, they are called taverns and they are in every major city in game. on florendyl they hold weekly tavern nights in khals tavern. and the sitting in chairs are coming, was something that had to be postponed till after launch. So all your points you made with the exception of sitting in chairs are invalid.
Oh excelent, could you please link me a few things.
First the post where a developer states the date of the patch when they'll be introducing such animations as sitting, laying down and craftable goods that people can use for these animations.
Second, can you please post a link to the DM tools provided in game.
Third you can please detail any other tools provided to players to create and run player-run events.
Since your so quick to call my oppinion invalid, I'd imagine you have all this information on hand, correct??
I second that
I am not an RP wiz but I assume that to RP you need at least some kind of lore that is even half decent and a game that has features that support RP like Shae said.
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
There are bars, they are called taverns and they are in every major city in game. on florendyl they hold weekly tavern nights in khals tavern. and the sitting in chairs are coming, was something that had to be postponed till after launch. So all your points you made with the exception of sitting in chairs are invalid.
Oh excelent, could you please link me a few things.
First the post where a developer states the date of the patch when they'll be introducing such animations as sitting, laying down and craftable goods that people can use for these animations.
Second, can you please post a link to the DM tools provided in game.
Third you can please detail any other tools provided to players to create and run player-run events.
Since your so quick to call my oppinion invalid, I'd imagine you have all this information on hand, correct??
Name a game that has built in tools for rp and name the tools? rp is usually always outside game community driven and taken in game. I can't give a link for the statement about the sitting animations as i don't feel like searching for it and 2 i really don't care if you believe it or not.
There are bars, they are called taverns and they are in every major city in game. on florendyl they hold weekly tavern nights in khals tavern. and the sitting in chairs are coming, was something that had to be postponed till after launch. So all your points you made with the exception of sitting in chairs are invalid.
Oh excelent, could you please link me a few things.
First the post where a developer states the date of the patch when they'll be introducing such animations as sitting, laying down and craftable goods that people can use for these animations.
Second, can you please post a link to the DM tools provided in game.
Third you can please detail any other tools provided to players to create and run player-run events.
Since your so quick to call my oppinion invalid, I'd imagine you have all this information on hand, correct??
Name a game that has built in tools for rp and name the tools? rp is usually always outside game community driven and taken in game. I can't give a link for the statement about the sitting animations as i don't feel like searching for it and 2 i really don't care if you believe it or not.
Not a problem, unlike yourself I'm not just talking out my ass.
Saga of Ryzom actually released an ENTIRE expansion devoted to giving players the tools to create lands and RP situations. You can find it at http://www.ryzom.com/ryzom-ring. And that's not even bringing up their former live events, not sure if their still around but they used to be amazing.
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Star Wars Galaxies actually used to (I'm using past tense because I havn't played in a while and don't know what they support now) support player run events at the player level no less. Things like house decorating contests, silent/live auctions were always posted on the main site and the live event team would introduce structures and npc's as needed. It also had many in game tools and structures that were built specifically for RP options.
Here's some Live event info for you: http://starwarsgalaxies.station.sony.com/en_US/players/content.vm?page=live%20event%20Support&resource=event_info
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Matrix Online, both it's original and current development team at SOE have gone out of it's way to create a roleplay environment by creating a gigantic list of emotion animations, and pair animations, allowing players to interact together. Other ways consist of player run environments (bars), team run events (along the same lines of SWG PRE's) and of course RP story line events.
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I wont even get into Lineage1, Lineage2, Second Life, Roma Victor, Ultima Online and even the old Horizons which all do some sort of set up for Role Playing Fascility.
Now how about you, can you once again back up anything you said?
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There are bars, they are called taverns and they are in every major city in game. on florendyl they hold weekly tavern nights in khals tavern. and the sitting in chairs are coming, was something that had to be postponed till after launch. So all your points you made with the exception of sitting in chairs are invalid.
Oh excelent, could you please link me a few things.
First the post where a developer states the date of the patch when they'll be introducing such animations as sitting, laying down and craftable goods that people can use for these animations.
Second, can you please post a link to the DM tools provided in game.
Third you can please detail any other tools provided to players to create and run player-run events.
Since your so quick to call my oppinion invalid, I'd imagine you have all this information on hand, correct??
Name a game that has built in tools for rp and name the tools? rp is usually always outside game community driven and taken in game. I can't give a link for the statement about the sitting animations as i don't feel like searching for it and 2 i really don't care if you believe it or not.
Also since you apparently don't have the time to do a 5 second search??? Here's the link to the last time the dev's spoke about interacting with this world that is supposed to set us free.
http://forums.vanguardsoh.com/showthread.php?t=86638
Ya'know... in case it comes up again.
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There are bars, they are called taverns and they are in every major city in game. on florendyl they hold weekly tavern nights in khals tavern. and the sitting in chairs are coming, was something that had to be postponed till after launch. So all your points you made with the exception of sitting in chairs are invalid.
Oh excelent, could you please link me a few things.
First the post where a developer states the date of the patch when they'll be introducing such animations as sitting, laying down and craftable goods that people can use for these animations.
Second, can you please post a link to the DM tools provided in game.
Third you can please detail any other tools provided to players to create and run player-run events.
Since your so quick to call my oppinion invalid, I'd imagine you have all this information on hand, correct??
Name a game that has built in tools for rp and name the tools? rp is usually always outside game community driven and taken in game. I can't give a link for the statement about the sitting animations as i don't feel like searching for it and 2 i really don't care if you believe it or not.
Also since you apparently don't have the time to do a 5 second search??? Here's the link to the last time the dev's spoke about interacting with this world that is supposed to set us free.
http://forums.vanguardsoh.com/showthread.php?t=86638
Ya'know... in case it comes up again.
What a crack up..... they stated chairs *might* not make it in, that is literally a disgrace, I bet they can't animate the characters sitting properly, what a dev team!!
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
Also since you apparently don't have the time to do a 5 second search??? Here's the link to the last time the dev's spoke about interacting with this world that is supposed to set us free.
http://forums.vanguardsoh.com/showthread.php?t=86638
Ya'know... in case it comes up again.
What a crack up..... they stated chairs *might* not make it in, that is literally a disgrace, I bet they can't animate the characters sitting properly, what a dev team!!
Well we need to be fair about it too.
Creating these kinds of multiple animations are a GIANT pain in the ass, as well as creating RP tools for the community. This is obviously not a priority for Sigil nor do I think it should be when your trying to get a game off the ground with as many issues as it has right now.
Point being this of course, no way anyone can come around and say this is a great game for role players or that things like this are being looked at seriously. Because their not. I have no problem accepting that, so long as we're honest about it.
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This is something we definitely think is cool and would like to see in, but whether it makes it for release remains to be seen.
- Lee Harker, Associate Art Director V;SoH
So it actualy remains a mistery weither or not this will be put in, i do hope so
And I do agree with you Shae, it’s those little details that we role-players like to see and indeed vanguard does not cater them very well atm, but nevertheless still enjoying the game.
4 hairstyle's leaves little to be desired as that is what you see first(if they had helm graphics it wouldnt really matter. but they dont)
I love how some of the facial features have this big long slider but it only changes at far left and far right.
Wow holy crap shae, in all my time being a troll on MMO forum's i have never seen some one destroy the OP as much as you just did....
If only i could find a troll with a tin foil hat. =(
There are bars, they are called taverns and they are in every major city in game. on florendyl they hold weekly tavern nights in khals tavern. and the sitting in chairs are coming, was something that had to be postponed till after launch. So all your points you made with the exception of sitting in chairs are invalid.
Oh excelent, could you please link me a few things.
First the post where a developer states the date of the patch when they'll be introducing such animations as sitting, laying down and craftable goods that people can use for these animations.
Second, can you please post a link to the DM tools provided in game.
Third you can please detail any other tools provided to players to create and run player-run events.
Since your so quick to call my oppinion invalid, I'd imagine you have all this information on hand, correct??
Name a game that has built in tools for rp and name the tools? rp is usually always outside game community driven and taken in game. I can't give a link for the statement about the sitting animations as i don't feel like searching for it and 2 i really don't care if you believe it or not.
Not a problem, unlike yourself I'm not just talking out my ass.
Saga of Ryzom actually released an ENTIRE expansion devoted to giving players the tools to create lands and RP situations. You can find it at http://www.ryzom.com/ryzom-ring. And that's not even bringing up their former live events, not sure if their still around but they used to be amazing.
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Star Wars Galaxies actually used to (I'm using past tense because I havn't played in a while and don't know what they support now) support player run events at the player level no less. Things like house decorating contests, silent/live auctions were always posted on the main site and the live event team would introduce structures and npc's as needed. It also had many in game tools and structures that were built specifically for RP options.
Here's some Live event info for you: http://starwarsgalaxies.station.sony.com/en_US/players/content.vm?page=live%20event%20Support&resource=event_info
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Matrix Online, both it's original and current development team at SOE have gone out of it's way to create a roleplay environment by creating a gigantic list of emotion animations, and pair animations, allowing players to interact together. Other ways consist of player run environments (bars), team run events (along the same lines of SWG PRE's) and of course RP story line events.
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I wont even get into Lineage1, Lineage2, Second Life, Roma Victor, Ultima Online and even the old Horizons which all do some sort of set up for Role Playing Fascility.
Now how about you, can you once again back up anything you said?
Ryzom's rp tools was added with an expansion, for what 2 to 3 years it didn't have any rp tools, vanguards only been out a month and even I who likes vanguard will agree it was released to early, but the exception is i'm willing to give it time and in time these tools you talk about may put in, but it may take a EXPANSION just like ryzom. The little things for rp i have faith they will be put in eventually.
Now SWG at release didn't have these things you mention when first released from what i remember but i could be wrong on that as it's been awhile since i even touched it, never really got into it even pre-cu/nge. So this reason may be why i'm not one those soe haters although i'm not a fan of 'em either.
Now speaking of VG it also has built in structures for rp, has player owned houses, player own boats, taverns, good lore, huge world, meaning full travel, complex crafting, well diversified classes and races, and eventually will have player shops, sitting animations, among other things they left out due to financial and time restraints, etc. but yet some of these things especially houses and boats will take time to come to it's own in the game world. Now you may not consider these RP structures but to actual rp'ers it is. RP is just about imagination within the game world, even wow could be rp'd in if you used your brain a bit even though it had no built in tools/structures to really bring out the rp.
All this is just my opinion and you may think differently and you have that right.
Vanguard and "good game" in the same sentence? Isn't that a paradox? Vanguard would be more appropriately called "the game that could have been". 45 days I will never get back.
Engellan
I have no idea what u are talking about. I played the rp server and its was dead ppl just run around solo by themselves u can talk in the chat channel and u wont even get a response most of the time. RP is just a myth and how do u rp a game that is just a copycat of every other game with no story line of it own?
There are bars, they are called taverns and they are in every major city in game. on florendyl they hold weekly tavern nights in khals tavern. and the sitting in chairs are coming, was something that had to be postponed till after launch. So all your points you made with the exception of sitting in chairs are invalid.
Oh excelent, could you please link me a few things.
First the post where a developer states the date of the patch when they'll be introducing such animations as sitting, laying down and craftable goods that people can use for these animations.
Second, can you please post a link to the DM tools provided in game.
Third you can please detail any other tools provided to players to create and run player-run events.
Since your so quick to call my oppinion invalid, I'd imagine you have all this information on hand, correct??
Name a game that has built in tools for rp and name the tools? rp is usually always outside game community driven and taken in game. I can't give a link for the statement about the sitting animations as i don't feel like searching for it and 2 i really don't care if you believe it or not.
Not a problem, unlike yourself I'm not just talking out my ass.
Saga of Ryzom actually released an ENTIRE expansion devoted to giving players the tools to create lands and RP situations. You can find it at http://www.ryzom.com/ryzom-ring. And that's not even bringing up their former live events, not sure if their still around but they used to be amazing.
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Star Wars Galaxies actually used to (I'm using past tense because I havn't played in a while and don't know what they support now) support player run events at the player level no less. Things like house decorating contests, silent/live auctions were always posted on the main site and the live event team would introduce structures and npc's as needed. It also had many in game tools and structures that were built specifically for RP options.
Here's some Live event info for you: http://starwarsgalaxies.station.sony.com/en_US/players/content.vm?page=live%20event%20Support&resource=event_info
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Matrix Online, both it's original and current development team at SOE have gone out of it's way to create a roleplay environment by creating a gigantic list of emotion animations, and pair animations, allowing players to interact together. Other ways consist of player run environments (bars), team run events (along the same lines of SWG PRE's) and of course RP story line events.
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I wont even get into Lineage1, Lineage2, Second Life, Roma Victor, Ultima Online and even the old Horizons which all do some sort of set up for Role Playing Fascility.
Now how about you, can you once again back up anything you said?
Ryzom's rp tools was added with an expansion, for what 2 to 3 years it didn't have any rp tools, vanguards only been out a month and even I who likes vanguard will agree it was released to early, but the exception is i'm willing to give it time and in time these tools you talk about may put in, but it may take a EXPANSION just like ryzom. The little things for rp i have faith they will be put in eventually.
Now SWG at release didn't have these things you mention when first released from what i remember but i could be wrong on that as it's been awhile since i even touched it, never really got into it even pre-cu/nge. So this reason may be why i'm not one those soe haters although i'm not a fan of 'em either.
Now speaking of VG it also has built in structures for rp, has player owned houses, player own boats, taverns, good lore, huge world, meaning full travel, complex crafting, well diversified classes and races, and eventually will have player shops, sitting animations, among other things they left out due to financial and time restraints, etc. but yet some of these things especially houses and boats will take time to come to it's own in the game world. Now you may not consider these RP structures but to actual rp'ers it is. RP is just about imagination within the game world, even wow could be rp'd in if you used your brain a bit even though it had no built in tools/structures to really bring out the rp.
All this is just my opinion and you may think differently and you have that right.
So wait, I actually answered your question, and I even provide you with links and yet you still respond by talking about things you don't know. To answer your blind statements, because it's only fair to do so as you don't seem to mind spreading around outright lies.
Saga of Ryzome had live events and RP tools way before the incarnation of Ryzome Ring.
SWG did have a live event team at release, on TOP of that, there was a Universal Story Arch which died eventually but was basically one huge RP event which players determined the outcome of and thus impacted the story over time.
Besides that though.
Show me links to support tools for Player Shops in Vanguard
Show me links to support this meaningfull travel (what this has to do with RP I have no idea, but whatever)
Not once did I say that Housing is important, it is and it's good and so are the player owned boats. But that does not a game that is supportive of RolePlay, show me one viable feature that does this or that is planed to be put in with a date???
You can't because there is none. Which is fine, there's nothing wrong with that. A game does not have to be the perfect RP venue but stop BS'ing and saying it is.
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who me ?
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In all fairness to L2, that's really accurate.
Seven Signs was a (actually still is) huge roleplay event and Crystal Myth was an event that was actually made by role players for role player but was so good that they pushed it out to all servers.
Also the Clan tools in Lineage2 are incredible resources for RolePlay. That and of course the girls AND BOYS, charater models are very pretty.
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