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how is this possible heh
Drea-mer
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This is from a current designer from VG, namely Nino, posted on a guild site, someone linked it to me:
"I'm not in charge of the Test Server, but I am thinking of making that my home so I can help prevent mistakes from hitting the live servers. Plus I will have GM powers there so I can /nuke people. I play on the FFA PVP server and I am glad I can't use GM powers there. So many jackholes I would have dropped off a cliff by now. Legions of ganking dorks; but I digress."
How unprofessional is this company really talking about their customers like that. Lol, I have lost all respect for these people or "brad" for that matter.
It sounds so amateur'ish to me.
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Actually Nino seems to be one of the few that are actually "in touch" with the player base.
I figured he was cool ever since back on the (closed) beta boards around beta 2.5 he likened the VG Vanboi fanatics to a Cult Following, and said it was kind of creepy. Of course he got a lot of flack for that, and Brad never did have the guts to back him, instead he sided with the Van Cultists.
You should have put your unsubstantiated gotten from a friend of a friend guild linky in the post, and then put it all in 20 point font. As you are aware, or perhaps not, 20 point font makes things true. Just ask Ronnyrulz.
There were quite a few threads during beta actually blowing the whole FoH thing out of proportion; accusations of Brad giving the site more attention than affiliate sites, and of course the prospect that people like Nino as developers could give the guild a leg-up in the competitive atmosphere of raiding or otherwise, 'get this hidden item first' pieces of content.
Personally, I don't care that they're so open. I'm neither for it or against it, I'm just saying that having one or two community managers as sole conduits and filters of all professional commentary is the one sure way of preventing threads like these. Developers shouldn't make known what servers they play on or who they are, their guild affiliations, and especially not where and to what extent they have GM powers and what they can do.
It's not a giant concept that needs realizing, he's a developer and we are players. If it were a tabletop D&D game, who wants to knowingly be among other players who are sitting behind the DM screen?
I just think Nino and anyone else should be careful what they post there. FoH is not an affiliate site, but Brad's incessant poising of Vanguard there and endorsing of the guild as something special has made it just as much an avenue for developer commentary than Silkyvenom; so distinguishing what's appropriate and what's not has to happen there too.
Are you really surprised? An amateurish game, amateurish dealing with post release issues, amateurish attitude towards customers. There is nothing surprising about any of these. I am only glad that I am not one of these customers he views as "jackholes" and "dorks". Your design lacks ganking prevention mechanisms and you insult people who do so!
CONTRIBUTE INTO THE GAMING INDUSTRY! STOP PAYING FOR BORING COPYCATS, UNFINISHED BUGFESTS AND CRANKY JUNKWARE. BE A RESPONSIBLE GAMER!
What proof do we have that he is really a dev for Sigil? It is my understanding that devs are not allowed to be in player guilds..at least...knowingly. Most likey he's full of shit.
If..by some very small chance he is actualy a " dev " for Sigil....are they not allowed to be human too? It is fun to gank dorks..but I digress...there are alot of " dorks " on FFA servers in every game, which is why I don't play on FFA servers.
It has been my experience that devs don't go around announcing that they are devs. They DEFINETLY don't go posting like that on anyones boards. You are really reaching far and wide to try and flame Vanguard...are you that desparate?
IF he has any relation to Sigil staff...he is at best...the officer garbage boy or something simular.
Definition of " dork " on a FFA server .... " anyone that kicks your butt "
So, Nino is human and gets ticked off when he's ganked on a PVP server. That's no surprise; it happens to almost everyone. As a representative of the company, maybe he shouldn't have released his emotions to the public, but this time next week who's really gonna care - it's no big deal.
Are you really surprised? An amateurish game, amateurish dealing with post release issues, amateurish attitude towards customers. There is nothing surprising about any of these. I am only glad that I am not one of these customers he views as "jackholes" and "dorks". Your design lacks ganking prevention mechanisms and you insult people who do so!
I find it hard to believe he is actualy a dev for Sigil.
IF this is true...then I would actualy have to agree...it is in very poor taste though not a fatal error...Sigil should have very strict policy in regards to how their devs interact with the player base.
I would need to see some proof he is indeed a dev though.....
http://forums.vanguardsoh.com/showthread.php?t=60983
Nino - Todd Masten - Associate Producer, Audio Designer
Hmmm. This sounds so familiar.
Ahh, yes.
EVE Online and GMs boosting Band of Brothers with special perks and in-game cheats.
Now, V:SoH falls victim to the same sort of garbage. Not surprised.
Certainly, general employees should play the game. But as regular players, not as Uber-GMs.
GMs should be employees totally separate from the development staff. The GMs job should be to assist with customer issues, not be playing the game for fun and profit. Allowing developers to play with GM powers sets up a conflict of interest that many folks just cannot turn away from.
In addition, if the only job your GM is doing is the GM job, it makes it soooo much easier to fire them and make an example of them if they are caught playing the game and influencing it out of their GM role.
Just my 2c.
Are you really surprised? An amateurish game, amateurish dealing with post release issues, amateurish attitude towards customers. There is nothing surprising about any of these. I am only glad that I am not one of these customers he views as "jackholes" and "dorks". Your design lacks ganking prevention mechanisms and you insult people who do so!
I find it hard to believe he is actualy a dev for Sigil.
IF this is true...then I would actualy have to agree...it is in very poor taste though not a fatal error...Sigil should have very strict policy in regards to how their devs interact with the player base.
I would need to see some proof he is indeed a dev though.....
He is a dev.
He's the sound guy. Was, don't know if he still actually is, an officer in FoH.
And, quite frankly, what he said is true. Though, I think calling them jackholes is doing jackholes around the world a huge disservice. If I had GM powers, I'd nuke the little shits too.
I'd like to see more devs be that honest, frankly.
The double standard on display is pretty funny, though. Perfectly ok for anyone to call the devs every name in the book, or for gaming "journalists", and I use that term in the loosest sense possible, to call the players cultists, vanbois, or whatever else. "Journalists" that swear on a stack of bibles about how objective they are, mind you. But if a dev says douchebags are, in fact, acting like douchebags, then everyone calls out for their death. Go figure.
Always interesting to see how people act on the internet, where they think they can throw punches, without getting punched back.
At least you wont hear, i pwned you noob, lawl. I dont have a problem with the horde on WoW, i cant understand them lol, i have a problem with my guildmates though
WoW is limited in its pvp, its not free for all, if the pvp upset you in WoW, then how in the hell can you handle it in a game with no rules? No rules that prevent assholes from truly unleashing their wonderfull personality. Its all about the preference. Some people play this game and try and pvp, despite the fact the system is very harsh, and then they complain when they get ganked.
Sounds like this GM wasint a fan of the FFA, lol.
I think its funny.
Also what kind of mechanics could they have implemented to stop ganking? As far as I know they have just as many as WoW does to stop it.
At least you wont hear, i pwned you noob, lawl. I dont have a problem with the horde on WoW, i cant understand them lol, i have a problem with my guildmates though
WoW is limited in its pvp, its not free for all, if the pvp upset you in WoW, then how in the hell can you handle it in a game with no rules? No rules that prevent assholes from truly unleashing their wonderfull personality. Its all about the preference. Some people play this game and try and pvp, despite the fact the system is very harsh, and then they complain when they get ganked.
Sounds like this GM wasint a fan of the FFA, lol.
I, for example, generally try to post my personal thoughts and opinions in a very orderly, efficient, respectful manner. However, everyone has those moments where they just let the world get to them. Speaking from personal experience, I have to be careful of what I say when I post, as does Nino, but sometimes we just slip up and go into a rage. It can be very frustrating. There are a LOT of times when I'm on the forums and I see something so irrefutably retarded, that I just want to flame the person into oblivion. While it's happened once or twice, and I honestly don't even regret it, we generally moderate ourselves pretty efficiently.
I can't fault Nino here for being discontent. Sometimes, the truth isn't always pretty. While it is disrespectful and unprofessional, it happens. However, try to consider how you'd react if you were surrounded by people all the time, sometimes posting things deliberately to get under your skin/make your job more difficult. Any of you who have ever worked customer service of any kind know how frustrating it gets if you have 1 or 2 unreasonable people in a day...imagine having several hundred.
Plus, I generally believe it's better to associate with the community. I think that it makes your opinions, reviews, previews, and other such things that much more credible, because instead of hiding from those who disagree with you, you're tackling them head on.
I look at this board for example. I express a lot of criticism regarding the game, Sigil, Brad, and many other aspects associated with Vanguard. As a result, I've acquired quite a few people who I'm sure consider me the devil, an ignorant fool, and many other unfriendly expletives. However, I think there's also a group of people here who respect my opinion that much more, take what I have to say at a higher level, and believe my word carries more weight with it then others. It's a double-edged sword; do you speak your mind openly and honestly, and in turn risk offending people, or do you choose to say nothing at all, and seem distant from your community?
Just my thoughts on the matter.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
Nino is an Audio developer and people are getting upset cause he posted about people on the FFA server.
Roll a tune on the FFA server and I bet most of you would agree with him after a couple of hours.
Markaj is absolutely right. This is the last straw, we should all cancel our accounts and join the revolution.
On the underside all developers expect to treat us as friends, etc. when you look at the quality of their games, when they come out and everything else. Just because they behave "professionally" doesn't take away from the fact that these bastards, whether they are dev in WoW, VG, CoX, MXO, EQ2 or whatever are treating us like their friends from school rather than paying customers with the kind of crap they are releasing.
I would rather they just come out and act like they do amongst themselves and talk to us in the manner they treat us rather than interact with us from behind some false curtain of professionalism. If any of these video game companies were really professional we would have much better products on the market today and it wouldnt take a 8 or more months after release for them to polish these games. . .
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