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Free month ran out, and so did I.
Umbrood
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As an added irony I krashed out just to find the "no subscription", message.
Can not deny I have had a great deal of fun with the game, when it works, in between all the issues I have quite enjoyed myself.
Anger, grief and frustration has taken its toll though and allthough no other game has all the features that vanguard does, at least have on paper, I can not find myself going on with this.
After all I play these things for recreation and have never found them to be a lifestyle choice that I need to defend regardless of the obvious reality, as some people tend to do with their games.
I am sure I will try this again at some point in the future, if it survives I am certain they will offer a "re-visit" option down the line, that would be a good point to check it out as if and when they do that they must feel the game is in such a state they can now proudly offer me another look.
Bugs and broken systems have plagued me in vanguard, everything from lost gear to broken quests.
I started with an aging system but as I had considered getting a new computer for some time I felt this was a good a point as any to do that.
My old system could barely run it, P4 2.66 Northwood, 1gb ram, 256/6600 AGP, but it was stable, looked like crap but as long as the server was up it was playable to a degree.
New system is a: Intel C2D 2.13, 2gb 6400 RAM, 8800 GTS/320 with an SLI mobo allthough I only have one card.
This gives bleeding performance, in intervals, I suddenly find myself with a LOT of hitching, IE games freezes for a fraction of a second up to several seconds, when it runs I have a steady 50-60 FPS in the wild and perhaps 15-30 in populated areas.
I also started to krash, and often to, least far more frequently then with my old system, I hear this is due to some issue with the 8800 cards and their DDR3 memory that does not like Vanguard, or Vanguard does not like it, it matters little.
The "hitching" though became unbearable once we hit Trengal keep were every ability pulled of would freeze the game for half a sec or so, migth not sound much but it adds upp.
I managed to reach 25 Bard, ( when last I krashed I were on a corpserun that had taken me from 99 to 89% towards 26 ), and 16 leatherworker.
I spent a great deal crafting, bags mostly and as best I was ranked 41 in the world in the "Items in use" category with well over 700 bags sold, least I had no financial problems.
I was very well equipped, with a raiders dagger and shortsword of striking, 31 and 35 DPS respectively I could hold my own very well.
With various Yellow and blue in all other slots I was in want of nothing in that regard.
Bard is a beautiful class that I would recomend to anyone, hybrid class with high utility.
Had there been a trial I would have recomended everyone to try it, it seems many problems are system specific and even though I had problems you migth not, gear loss and corpse runs due to krashing team members and servers diving you can do nothing about though, and the servers seems to get more stable all the time, chunks world servers still crash but not nearly as frequently.
Can honestly say I gave this a fair shot with something around 100 hours played, close to 200 probably so I can also say got I my moneys worth.
But in the end it boils down to two things.
1. Is this the best option for fun I have rigth now?
And in that equation the issues brings this value down to well below most others game I could pick from the market rigth now.
Sure housing and mounts and boats and whatnot is a good carrot but that will still be there if I return to a game in a better state down the line, as of now they are all far out of reach of most players, at least me and again I am fairly rich.
2. Do I have a moral obligation to make a choice here?
Should I support a game and company that charges for something like this?
I feel that I do have a choice and that is to me, NO! I should not.
Many migth not agree with me, or even care but if we continue to support these actions we will see more and more "run for the money" productions, allthough VG was not initially one it has turned out to be.
It is sad that all the good intentions and fresh ideas, because there are quite a bit of those, gets spoiled.
But as in most things money talks and BS walks.
I am both talking and walking, you will have to decide for yourself wether if it is worth listening to or if it is complete BS.
If you read this far you are either in agreement with me or you are boiling with rage at my slander of your game, you are entitled to your opinion regardless.
Just keep in mind that up to a couple of hours ago this was my game to, one that I tried very hard to enjoy.
And allthough I am a firm believer in the old saying "If it is good it is worth figthing for" I have found the figth to hard and the payout to small.
Keep in mind this is the experiences of one man, I can only talk for myself and it does not matter what others have found, to me this is how things have worked out.
Yours
Glindin Barimen
25 Bard/16 Leatherworker/70 Diplomacy on the Gelenia Server.
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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Comments
The only real thing I wanted to comment on was the part about the moral obligation in your post... the obligation to refuse to fund bad games and their development. Although I certainly agree on the principle, as a practical matter I believe that games exist for us to have fun, and the key issue ought to be, are you having fun in the game, enough to justify a subscription fee? If so, then I would keep playing. If not, then I cancel.
Now, that isn't to say that if SOE were a company that murdered babies and caused the Greenhouse Effect I would patronize them, because I wouldn't. But we ARE talking about game design here, not something life-threatening, and about $15/month, not the national debt. And so it seems to me that a dose of perspective is in order, which as far as I can tell is in rather short supply here at MMORPG.COM.
The real question should be, for an online game, "Is it fun enough to pay the fee?" If yes, pay it and enjoy. If not, cancel. Worrying about your "moral obligation" to the other gamers of the world is, IMO, making a mountain out of a mole hill. It places far more importance on the game (on ANY game) than it deserves.
C
But...but....
SOE did murder babies!! Ask John Smedly (AKA Herod)
And about the Greenhouse effect....SOE did that also..I have proof...one sec...have to move my files on area 51 and the magic bullet files.
Never be afraid of choices. More choices are always good things.
C
Wich I would have to agree with of course, I just plit it up in two decisions, when there really was only one.
I had a lot of fun, but then again I had a lot of problems that soiled my fun, to a degree were I had to make a choice.
Not fun per $, becuse the money is neglible in my personal economy, but rather fun VS time.
And I found myself either angry or furstrated to a point were I did not even care anymore what the game had to offer, wich I still think is more then most other games out there.
They should have disabled the tombstone system until they had it working at least to some degree, this is were a LOT of many peoples problems is rigth now, lost gear, levels and deaths due to your, someone in your group krashes or diving server.
No real harm would come from this as long as everyone understood what system would be in place once it worked, meaningless deaths are, well, meaningless.
But deaths and corpseruns and item/XP due technical issues to such a degree is hurting this game bad.
One can complain about anything but there are no game breaking bugs and you can look passed everything, except for this really huge one.
I ran around naked for 4 days without a single reply from CS when suddenly I got a res message, someone had found my tombstone, that the shrine said did not exist, in a place were I had never been, just lucky it was a healer becuase this was in out in bloody nowhere with no mobs or civilisation for many kilometers.
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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I'm sorry you're leaving Vanguard as I (to my knowledge) never had the chance to game with you and now propably never will but I respect your decision and I respect the way you're quitting with a nice well thought out oppinion formed.
That's the kind of post other users can use.
I'm not going to list the things that I have a different oppinion on as that is pointless and would propably not change your mind either way. So good luck in whatever game you land and if you come back to Vanguard at some later time, send me a PM here.
Although I chose the other alternative, which means subsidiase Sigil so they get the work finished.
Yes the most annoying thing about Vanguard is the fact that it s very unstable.
I can crash 5 times in 5 minutes or once in 4 hours, you never know.
It is really annoying and I get pissed off at least a couple of time a day because of it.
BUT, this game is so fun even in this state that I cannot stay away from it.
Vanguard is not DnL and certanly is not Mourning or whatever is called now.
It is a bit unfair to put this game with the likes of DnL/Mourning.
Vanguard is costed around 40 Million $ to make, Brad has invested lots of his own cash on this project not only Microsoft.
This game is the biggest MMORPG to date, and making it hasn't been easy.
MCquaid overstimated his ability to finish such a huge game in a shorter time and he himself admit this.
This was a big mistake, but the game is now almost finished, it is playable and enjoyable.
It just need to be polished and Sigil need to sort the crashing problem.
Honestly if u could play this game for a whole day without crashing and losing XP, you know that this game is the real deal.
Unfortunately til they sort this problem, I will support people who wants to cancel their account.
Personally I won't, I will keep paying and playing, and I don't feel like doing charity to Sigil, because in true honestly the game is pretty much finished, the crashing and the low performances in lower level PC makes it 100 times worse than it is.
But I can live with it, for now
Oh sorry, did not think I would have to list, but here goes.
Housing, Guild housing
Mounts, Flying mounts
Boats
Crafting, were crafted gear means something.
Reaction based combat
Diplomacy
PvP
PvE, in all flawors.
Huge world
Factions
And then some.
If there is another game that has all these features then do not be shy pray tell, as I am currently looking for a new game I would not mind knowing this, in one game mind you, that EQ2 has housing and wow flying mounts wont help me much as I am quite certain I can not take either of my character in them games into the other.
Please share?
EVE is the only one that comes close but I am not a fan of their skill system and the fact that I have no real avatar.
AO and SWG migth not be bad choices either, never played SWG and now may not be the best time judging from others, and spent far to many hours in AO allready and they are all three SCI-FI.
Will go back to either DDO or EQ2 for now, until Sigil make this game available to me or Age of Conan gets out, wichever comes first.
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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Are you new to the market perhaps? You said many features that have not been used in mmo's before.
Diplomacy is the only thing thats unique, but its just a card game, but i will give you that one. Boats maybe but we will see how well they are implented.
Player housing, done before, guild housing, done before. Factions, done, crafting in SWG was decent, you could build a speeder, a ship, etc. It meant something to did it not?
Reaction based combat? hmmm i thought all mobs act the same? Flying mounts and mounts, definatly done before! come on! I dont see anything brand new in that list.
Sorry to see you leave. Hope when you eventually return the game has completely changed for the better!!
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
John Lennon
The ones you never played due to the fact that you never tried the game?
The ones you never played due to the fact that you never tried the game? Ive played well over a dozen mmo's, i dont need to list my credentials cause that seems pompus, but trust me, they are huge!
Ahem, anyways, just because im asking a question about what features does this game have that make it stand out or different from any mmo, i get an answer that sounds like a commercial and advertisement, same b.s we see from markettingl with no factual points.
Soooo yes, i never played it, my mistake, no other game had player housing and pvp, and flying mounts. Sorry for liening to you all, i will hang my head in shame.
Are you new to the market perhaps? You said many features that have not been used in mmo's before.
Diplomacy is the only thing thats unique, but its just a card game, but i will give you that one. Boats maybe but we will see how well they are implented.
Player housing, done before, guild housing, done before. Factions, done, crafting in SWG was decent, you could build a speeder, a ship, etc. It meant something to did it not?
Reaction based combat? hmmm i thought all mobs act the same? Flying mounts and mounts, definatly done before! come on! I dont see anything brand new in that list.
And quite obviously you did not read either of my posts.
Could you please list the game that has all them features?
Not that one has this and the other has that, I never said any of the features was unique, if I did please point out were and I shall edit it?
I said no other game has all the features VG does, and I stand by that, by no other game I mean all those features, but within one single game, not all those features spread out over 5 games.
I will try to make it even more clear.
Wich game ( singularis, this means one, or the number one ), has all those features?
Again, that one thing has been done in one game and some other thing has been done in another does not help me at all, unless you know how to play a character from one game in another?
I apologize if I can not make this clearer, I did try.
/edit
And yes I am new to the genre, I have only been a member on these forums for close to 4 years.
Could someone please explain what this MMORPG thing is that you all keep talking about please?
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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I let my sub run out for many of the reasons the OP had. I grew weary of the crashes, the lost XP when I could not recover my corpse, the lack of any solo quest content past level 20 (group or die it seemed to me..and I died a lot), the uneveness of the mob progression (you could be running through a bunch of level 17 mobs and suddenly have them flip to 35)
Vanguard has a lot of promise, so I did not give away my stuff when I left. I might go back one day once they stabilize the environment, I buy a new gaming laptop, and they finish what they started...
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
For example, the Saga of Ryzom has many of these features but not player housing. Therefore it cannot be said that Ryzom has "all" the features of Vanguard.
No worries, your posts are clear. Some folks need to learn reading comprehension.
C
Are you new to the market perhaps? You said many features that have not been used in mmo's before.
Diplomacy is the only thing thats unique, but its just a card game, but i will give you that one. Boats maybe but we will see how well they are implented.
Player housing, done before, guild housing, done before. Factions, done, crafting in SWG was decent, you could build a speeder, a ship, etc. It meant something to did it not?
Reaction based combat? hmmm i thought all mobs act the same? Flying mounts and mounts, definatly done before! come on! I dont see anything brand new in that list.
And quite obviously you did not read either of my posts.
Could you please list the game that has all them features?
Not that one has this and the other has that, I never said any of the features was unique, if I did please point out were and I shall edit it?
I said no other game has all the features VG does, and I stand by that, by no other game I mean all those features, but within one single game, not all those features spread out over 5 games.
I will try to make it even more clear.
Wich game ( singularis, this means one, or the number one ), has all those features?
Again, that one thing has been done in one game and some other thing has been done in another does not help me at all, unless you know how to play a character from one game in another?
I apologize if I can not make this clearer, I did try.
Well first off, stuff like crafting being more meaningfull and better, thats opinion, not fact.Just because the meal is huge, doesint mean you are going to enjoy everything on the table. Sometimes too much is not a good thing because all the features arent implented well, can we at least agree with that?mister marketer.
Things like mounts and flying mounts arent really huge deals since games years before had these features. The only thing that vanguard has that most succesfull mmo's dont have, is the boat building and housing plus all those other features, and lets count diplomacy.
Three wonderfull features and 2 of them people cant use anyways because..... the ocean isint finished.................... So go ahead and build a boat to nowhere. Doesint that just proove its not really in the game since its useless to have one?
Shouldint you be listing stuff thats finished and implented properly? How much of that is, really........... be honest.
I see someone who is reluctantly canceling out of a game. He is reluctant in part because he sees no other game on the market that has ALL the features of the one he is canceling. Why not just let him make the statement and let it go? Why pick on him over it?
C
The game is not finished! Im sure they will be well and good 2 years from now.
Someone mentioned Ryzom had all those features but player housing, wow, i guess VG wins out there.
Hurray. Plus picking on him is fun. I can read, but why should i have to read a whole paragraph when i can just skim a sentence i like?
Well it is fact from the point of view that rigth now there are very few items in the game that rivals them, it is my opinion that a 35 DPS sword is better then a 20 DPS sword.
No, just because the meal is huge does not meal it is going to be good, but there is a good chance something on the table will satisfy me.
Then again this was not my point and you are sidestepping my question, not very skillfully but still.
I said "No other game has all the features Vanguard does", good or bad, like it or not.
You said "What", a response that should have given me a clue to be very very precise in my first answer, I am sorry if I was not.
I listed all the features, I asked for a game that had them all, a question I have yet gotten an answer to, you just keep saying that is has allready been done before, wich I never disagreed with nor did I say they were unique, I did not even say Diplomacy is unique allthough it is to a great degree.
And if you think I am marketing this game you are sorely misstaken, I just figured my goodbye should be a civil and honest one, I have ranted enough before.
But, just because my experience was bad does not mean everyone elses is, and my problems were mostly technical.
Voyage century has boat building, Horizon has a housing system that is almost identical to VG's, Asherons Call has a similar plot system so yes, those to have been done before, just as an FYI, from someone new to this whole MMORPG thing, then again at least Horizon is exluded from the "succesful" list.
Boats exist within the game, I have seen many, they go back and forth and wether or not they can cross the ocean I do not know, if that is supposed to be their only purpose then no, they should not be listed, but it is not.
I have not seen any flying mounts, not that any player had in any case no.
Again, I simply said no other game has all the features VG does and you questioned it without giving me a pointer were to go to find that game, or games even as you seem to indicate.
No doubt you will try to pick this post apart as well, without answering my question.
I am not trying to be a smartass here, even if it may come cross as that, sincerely I would like to know.
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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The ones you never played due to the fact that you never tried the game? Ive played well over a dozen mmo's, i dont need to list my credentials cause that seems pompus, but trust me, they are huge!
Ahem, anyways, just because im asking a question about what features does this game have that make it stand out or different from any mmo, i get an answer that sounds like a commercial and advertisement, same b.s we see from markettingl with no factual points.
Soooo yes, i never played it, my mistake, no other game had player housing and pvp, and flying mounts. Sorry for liening to you all, i will hang my head in shame.
Sorry that Vanguard doesn't have 2 million new features you would like in your ideal game (like any other MMORPG by the way)
But at least Vanguard has the highest number of features, although that won't come as a relieve to you, I guess.
But I have to take my hat off, you talk a lot of crap without even ever played the game.
It takes a lot of courage or boredom to achieve that, and I guess you are quite bored.
Get a life maybe? How about that?
The ones you never played due to the fact that you never tried the game? Ive played well over a dozen mmo's, i dont need to list my credentials cause that seems pompus, but trust me, they are huge!
Ahem, anyways, just because im asking a question about what features does this game have that make it stand out or different from any mmo, i get an answer that sounds like a commercial and advertisement, same b.s we see from markettingl with no factual points.
Soooo yes, i never played it, my mistake, no other game had player housing and pvp, and flying mounts. Sorry for liening to you all, i will hang my head in shame.
Sorry that Vanguard doesn't have 2 million new features you would like in your ideal game (like any other MMORPG by the way)
But at least Vanguard has the highest number of features, although that won't come as a relieve to you, I guess.
But I have to take my hat off, you talk a lot of crap without even ever played the game.
It takes a lot of courage or boredom to achieve that, and I guess you are quite bored.
Get a life maybe? It doesint matter if it has 12 features or 2 million, i just want a majority of them to work.
Why are you insulting me personally when all i do is bash the game. Insecure about something? Yes yes, the vodka logo makes you seem social and cool, dont worry. Thats twice you told me to get a life, come up with new material maybe?
Please, discuss the game, not my social life, thanks pal.
The ones you never played due to the fact that you never tried the game? Ive played well over a dozen mmo's, i dont need to list my credentials cause that seems pompus, but trust me, they are huge!
Ahem, anyways, just because im asking a question about what features does this game have that make it stand out or different from any mmo, i get an answer that sounds like a commercial and advertisement, same b.s we see from markettingl with no factual points.
Soooo yes, i never played it, my mistake, no other game had player housing and pvp, and flying mounts. Sorry for liening to you all, i will hang my head in shame.
Sorry that Vanguard doesn't have 2 million new features you would like in your ideal game (like any other MMORPG by the way)
But at least Vanguard has the highest number of features, although that won't come as a relieve to you, I guess.
But I have to take my hat off, you talk a lot of crap without even ever played the game.
It takes a lot of courage or boredom to achieve that, and I guess you are quite bored.
Get a life maybe? It doesint matter if it has 12 features or 2 million, i just want a majority of them to work.
And they are....pal.
So what 's your next critic, since this one wasn't exactly supported by facts.
Waiting..........
The ones you never played due to the fact that you never tried the game? Ive played well over a dozen mmo's, i dont need to list my credentials cause that seems pompus, but trust me, they are huge!
Ahem, anyways, just because im asking a question about what features does this game have that make it stand out or different from any mmo, i get an answer that sounds like a commercial and advertisement, same b.s we see from markettingl with no factual points.
Soooo yes, i never played it, my mistake, no other game had player housing and pvp, and flying mounts. Sorry for liening to you all, i will hang my head in shame.
Sorry that Vanguard doesn't have 2 million new features you would like in your ideal game (like any other MMORPG by the way)
But at least Vanguard has the highest number of features, although that won't come as a relieve to you, I guess.
But I have to take my hat off, you talk a lot of crap without even ever played the game.
It takes a lot of courage or boredom to achieve that, and I guess you are quite bored.
Get a life maybe? It doesint matter if it has 12 features or 2 million, i just want a majority of them to work.
And they are....pal.
So what 's your next critic, since this one wasn't exactly supported by facts.
Waiting.......... Are boats functional, can they be taken in the ocean and fight pirates as promised?
Can you succesfully build a house at this point in the game?
Go on tell me facts, since im ignorant of everything and you are the man.
Yes, you can take your boat out on the ocean and fight whatever you find (sea monsters, pirates, other players if you're on a PvP server, or you can use it as an exploration vessel, taking your friends and guildies with you on long journeys).
You still need to answer what one game has all those features. The features stated work in the current version of the game so unless you have an example, you're basically just being obtuse and immature. Give a straight answer to your own boasting or accept that you're coming off as a petulant little child.
Simply going into a frenzy of denial does nothing to improve the image you're portraying of yourself.