You fan boys can keep defending Vanguard and Brad all you want. The truth of the matter is I gave them my money tried it out, and I'm not impressed. It's an average product, nothing more nothing less. I quit after a month.
If this were an average product, the MMO field would be dead.
If you go over to http://www.joinvanguard.com/en/ and look at the features they advertise, several of them are not ingame yet as described by the website. This is false advertisement. Where is the caravan system? Not there. Can you do what the Diplomacy description says you can do? No.
I think a lot of mmorpgs have done this though. WoW and battlegrounds. AC2 and the plans of sieged towns. EQ2 and Pvp(frogloks?)
The game was released in a highly unfinished state as the CEO of the company freely admits this and yet they still collect the full fee. If you stopped paying your fee, would they stop service? Yes. If you only paid a portion of the fee, would they stop service? You bet your butt they would. If one pays for a game and service AS ADVERTISED, is it wrong to expect that game and service? I guess in MMORPG land it is.
Solution. If you feel the version of Vanguard is not what you paid for go here. I'm not just hammering on Vanguard but ALL of the sh*t games in the last few years that these tools of dev teams keep pushing out and expect US (me and you) to pay for while they d*ck around trying to finish it up while we pay for them.
You know that is kind of a good idea, maybe Vanguard should have charged only half the fee while they got it up to a standard which was a lot better. In fact, they should possibly have no subscription fee while they get it up to a playable state.
I refuse to go through another 2 to 3 years of Class nerfs and buffs, world changes and long awaited patches.
Does that leave any game left to play? I cant think of a game where the classes dont change greatly in the first year or two, and even after that they are still in flux.
Heck the biggest culprit of this, BY FAR, has 8 million subscribers.
I just dont get it. the so called nerfs were MINOR. The only class that at this point has any right to bitch is Bards because they were supposed to be a DPS class. they still do more DPS than their counterparts in other similar games, but its not what they were led to believe. And who knows if this will change.
Besides that though, every class does the role its supposed to and does it fine. Don't believe the morons crying massive nerfs, because it isn't true.
I refuse to go through another 2 to 3 years of Class nerfs and buffs, world changes and long awaited patches.
Does that leave any game left to play? I cant think of a game where the classes dont change greatly in the first year or two, and even after that they are still in flux.
Heck the biggest culprit of this, BY FAR, has 8 million subscribers.
I just dont get it. the so called nerfs were MINOR. The only class that at this point has any right to bitch is Bards because they were supposed to be a DPS class. they still do more DPS than their counterparts in other similar games, but its not what they were led to believe. And who knows if this will change.
Besides that though, every class does the role its supposed to and does it fine. Don't believe the morons crying massive nerfs, because it isn't true.
Sorry i'll take the opinion of Taela, and her honest look at Vanguard. Over yours which is clearly biased towards "Vanguard is great", "Brad can do no wrong." Not to mention the countless sites and magazines which pretty much all agree. Vanguard is mediocre at best, and boring at worse. The way he talked about this game, it was supposed to be epic. The first true 3rd gen MMO, and most people will tell you it's anything but 3rd gen, nor is it epic.
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I followed the game since near conception. Along the way I kept a cautious optimism as I saw what Brad was able to pull off with Everquest. Sigil has had every MMO since EQ to measure itself with and yet with all this information the game simply did not live up to the expectation(s), not of my personal beliefs, but the conceptualization that Brad himself projected. While playing the beta I was completely uninspired, the game lacked substance, meaning and purpose. My character was simply existing in a world and not really part of one.
Essentially I’m left with the impression that Brad attempted to please a set of demographics than a true fan base. With this announcement it only serves to confirm any and all suspicions, Brad made a game that wasn’t genuine to the nature of what he is capable of or set out to create.
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I was in beta. I bought the game at release cause I thought it might get better. After the first two weeks, not even my full free month, I quit. The game is crap. It is buggy and just plain bland crap. LotRO is better as it stands right now in beta than Vanguard is after a month of release. I thought, for some stupid reason, that these guys would release something worth playing, and at the very least it would be polished and quality, even if I didn't like it.
The game looks like it was made by amatures with no budget and I was disgusted.
I refuse to go through another 2 to 3 years of Class nerfs and buffs, world changes and long awaited patches.
Does that leave any game left to play? I cant think of a game where the classes dont change greatly in the first year or two, and even after that they are still in flux.
Heck the biggest culprit of this, BY FAR, has 8 million subscribers.
I just dont get it. the so called nerfs were MINOR. The only class that at this point has any right to bitch is Bards because they were supposed to be a DPS class. they still do more DPS than their counterparts in other similar games, but its not what they were led to believe. And who knows if this will change.
Besides that though, every class does the role its supposed to and does it fine. Don't believe the morons crying massive nerfs, because it isn't true.
Sorry i'll take the opinion of Taela, and her honest look at Vanguard. Over yours which is clearly biased towards "Vanguard is great", "Brad can do no wrong." Not to mention the countless sites and magazines which pretty much all agree. Vanguard is mediocre at best, and boring at worse. The way he talked about this game, it was supposed to be epic. The first true 3rd gen MMO, and most people will tell you it's anything but 3rd gen, nor is it epic.
Huh? I didnt say anything about if vanguard is mediocre or not, I just commented on the supposed nerfs and class changes, and the fact that it is the norm for the genre.
And personally I agree that it is mediocre. I think most playing it would also agree.
I don't think Brad can do no wrong. I think the double exp weekends are terrible ideas. I think Everquest grew into a better, more well rounded game AFTER he left.
I am also tired of polished-but-shallow games (WoW, LOTRO). I am tired of games that have cool, original concepts that cant build a solid PvE game around those concepts (SWG pre CU/NGE, Ryzomm). I don't want to play a heavy PvP game (Warhammer).
For me VG has the most going for it.
-best Lore since EQ and AC (obviously LOTRO has nice lore but it also constricts the game too much). Some people want their lore spoonfed to them, VG doesnt do this so people think it doesnt have any. I dont find the world as bland as some (might have soemthing to do with only being in my 20s). Its not what EQ was, but I do aprpeciate its not like..oh here is jungle..ooh all of a sudden jungle is spooky forest oooh now all fo a sudden spooky forest is a farm...Even EQ, which I love the zones, has some pretty sharp contrasts. But VG to me avoids that theme park type build (its desertland! You can cross to dinosaurland or hop a flight to barren rock land!). it is plausible that Telon exists.
-Combat system is good. Defensive targets, reactions, weakness/exploits...Different group combos will change how you fight (at least they should if you know your vulnerabilities
-Long term potential. VG has this, and youd be blind to not see it.
-Not every night is great, but I very rarely dont have fun while playing.
I do have many dislikes
-crafting system is boring to level. VERY boring. The flipside is I love that you can build housing and boats so i actually want to level crafting. this is by far my biggest complaint.
-no way to differentiate yourself from others of the same class. perosnally I would rather it be minor like EQ2s AA system (but better implemented) or AO's perks as opposed to WoWs talent trees. (Note LOTRO suffers the same issue, the traits just arent that variable)
-the community (though this is deifntiely getting better as the gripers leave)
-the bugs. I am very rarely affected by them but I hate to see others have issues. way more buggier than any game outside of AO at release that Ive seen, but I have yet to experience anything game breaking, or see a guildie experience anything.
-missing content. Again doesnt bother me as much (I dont level fast) but it is noticeable how some areas arent as developed as others.
I was in beta. I bought the game at release cause I thought it might get better. After the first two weeks, not even my full free month, I quit. The game is crap. It is buggy and just plain bland crap. LotRO is better as it stands right now in beta than Vanguard is after a month of release. I thought, for some stupid reason, that these guys would release something worth playing, and at the very least it would be polished and quality, even if I didn't like it. The game looks like it was made by amatures with no budget and I was disgusted.
Firstly, this is perhaps the single most idiotic and moronic thing I have read in a long long while. So lets just look at what you did.
"I was in beta"
You participated in BETA so you should have had a good idea what state the game was in, wheather you enjoyed it or not and had a rough idea of how buggy it was. If you had no idea of these issues why start with "I was in beta" as if trying to add weight to your comment?
"I bought the game at release cause I thought it might get better"
You seem to demonstrate a level of understanding of the overall status of the game. You were "in beta" and go on to say "I thought it might get better."
"After the first two weeks, not even my full free month, I quit. The game is crap."
Holy smoke batman, what a quantum shift in realisation in just two weeks. What on God's Earth were you thinking when you bought the game? Did you think they were gonna patch in everything WITHIN two weeks of release? And to top it off you close you opening paragraph:
"even if I didn't like it"
So you were in beta, bought it knowing it wasn't finished and buggy, hoped it would improve and quit two weeks later because it hadn't, even though you say at the end of your post you didn't like it in the first place?? And then you come here adding fuel to the fire as a disgruntled customer!
"The game looks like it was made by amatures with no budget and I was disgusted"
WHY THE F**K DID YOU BUY IT?
troll.
Perhaps you were only "in beta" for a day or so?
Maybe you were heavily sedated during beta and release and then suddenly woke up one day?
If you think VG is "crap" that's fine, no problem. The thing I do have a problem with is shit like this, two weeks?! And you didn't like the game and yet you bought it and now come here complaining?
You fan boys can keep defending Vanguard and Brad all you want. The truth of the matter is I gave them my money tried it out, and I'm not impressed. It's an average product, nothing more nothing less. I quit after a month.
If this were an average product, the MMO field would be dead.
so are you saying the mmo field is dead (or worse, because you believe vanguard is sub-average)?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Thank you, Nakuma. You know so far you are the only one, so far. That has actually taken shots with the FPS showing. Sorry, if it came off like I was calling you a liar. I've just seen alot of double talk lately on forums. So my motto is "Show me proof", and sometimes a picture really is worth a thousand words.
so the solution is that everyone should upgrade their computers and then they can play this uber game?
no wonder they're getting so many millions begging to play this game.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Many people really enjoy this game. And more keep coming so it's definitely getting better. They are very actively fixing bugs and adding stuff but the game is great as is. Most people just aren't having the issues that some posters claim. They are in game and having a great time.
I didn't know I was a part of the revolution till now but its cool.
I stand by my opinion and give it freely. It is honest.
I think you all could use a little distance though. Many of you bash VG with the most outlandish claims. Noone I know is having the problems many of you say everyone is having. I'm sure they exist for some but it is not the way you make it out to be.
But if you dont' like the game that is your perogative.
Originally posted by Roin Thank you, Nakuma. You know so far you are the only one, so far. That has actually taken shots with the FPS showing. Sorry, if it came off like I was calling you a liar. I've just seen alot of double talk lately on forums. So my motto is "Show me proof", and sometimes a picture really is worth a thousand words.
Screen shots is hardly a convincing post IMNHO as a fraps video. Sorry but standing still and not doing anything will net you okay fps in almost every game even the abortion known as DnL.
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Decrease the leveling curve. Instance bosses. Reduce travel time. Get rid of corpse runs. Reduce the death penalty. Fix your graphics engine. Get rid of the rediculous mob chase speeds. Those things are just a start.
Better yet take a look at games like WoW and LOTRO for some insights as to what's fun and what's not.
Ugh, I don't wanna play your game. WoW and LotRO are there for you and has all those things you listed that you like in a game. Vanguard might not be for you but it is for me.
I hate instances, short bus levelling curves, chairlift travel, zero death penalty and bloomy 4 polygon per npc graphics. You go play that and I'll stick to Vanguard.
Nice post actually. I like what Brad had to say. I hope the game is true to this Vision this time next year because that's the earliest I see myself buying it.
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Originally posted by teakboisOriginally posted by shae
I refuse to go through another 2 to 3 years of Class nerfs and buffs, world changes and long awaited patches.
Does that leave any game left to play? I cant think of a game where the classes dont change greatly in the first year or two, and even after that they are still in flux.
Heck the biggest culprit of this, BY FAR, has 8 million subscribers.
I just dont get it. the so called nerfs were MINOR. The only class that at this point has any right to bitch is Bards because they were supposed to be a DPS class. they still do more DPS than their counterparts in other similar games, but its not what they were led to believe. And who knows if this will change.
Besides that though, every class does the role its supposed to and does it fine. Don't believe the morons crying massive nerfs, because it isn't true.
LOL. Way to take a small section of my comment and take it completely out of context.
There is a SIGNIFICANT difference between releasing a game with polish and adjuting it as per needed and releasing a poorly built game from word GO and making drastic changes to classes, engines and mechanics before anyone can even get settled in! And let us NOT forget that this is being done on already poorly thought out mechanics to begin with !!!
But please, next time you want to quote something of mine, be sure to include the MEANING of the post before you try and pick it appart, I'm more than happy to respond to something I write, so long as it's represented fairly.
Many people really enjoy this game. And more keep coming so it's definitely getting better. They are very actively fixing bugs and adding stuff but the game is great as is. Most people just aren't having the issues that some posters claim. They are in game and having a great time.
Ladies and gentlemen...viral marketing in action.
Could not have said it before SMG.
I always imagine Brad tapping his fingers together, repeating in a raspy voice: "Excelent", when he reads a post like this.
Nice post actually. I like what Brad had to say. I hope the game is true to this Vision this time next year because that's the earliest I see myself buying it.
Did you actually read what he said? He's adding teleporting to make travel faster, and double exp weekends to make levelling faster? These are the exact opposite of the vision and we are only a month after release. Why? Because Brad knows that he is struggling retaining subs after the free month is up, so now he wants to make the game appeal to a wider audience. His vision is out the window as soon as the numbers aren't where they need to be. This time next year this game will be a ghost town because by the time they get their act together and get it to where it should have been at release, there will be real 3rd Generation MMO's out that will massacre VG.
Always the same with Brad, he does nothing but waffle on about his vision and the future. He doesn't seem to realize that Vanguard was dumped by one publisher and after 5 years is unfinished and being published by the winner of the MMOWTF awards! Also $OE have pushed it early (Brad stated this) and now he's already talking about expansions and game mechanic overhauls (NGE anyone?), this is turning into a train wreck much like most MMORPGs associated with John Smedley.
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Brad McQuaid, Sigil's chief executive returns to the forums - here are an extract of his posts: VANGUARD Saga of Heros
Quite frankly, no BSing around, it's a preemptive attempt at giving players who have less time to play a boost and to give people something to look forward to and to keep subscribing. We want to do things that encourage people to keep subscribing. That said, I think it can be taken too far and it also allows people who already play a lot to advance that much more quickly. It definitely could be taken too far which is something we're aware of.
We continue to grow quite nicely in terms of subs and registered players. That said, we want to have special events like this and while churn and conversion is fine, we'd rather offer events like this ahead of time and not in reaction to a problem. That said, we don't want to over do it either, so I wouldn't consider double exp periods to happen that frequently. It's a cool thing to do occasionally, but can also easily be over done, and we're aware of that.
PR speak for "we are having subscription trouble".
Minor correction:
PR Speak for "People are buying the game but they aren't staying much beyond the free time that comes with it, if at all. So we're trying to get more folks committed to it before the shelf appeal dies down and new sales no longer outnumber cancelled accounts"
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Many people really enjoy this game. And more keep coming so it's definitely getting better. They are very actively fixing bugs and adding stuff but the game is great as is. Most people just aren't having the issues that some posters claim. They are in game and having a great time.
Ladies and gentlemen...viral marketing in action.
Could not have said it before SMG.
I always imagine Brad tapping his fingers together, repeating in a raspy voice: "Excelent", when he reads a post like this.
Could be the FORCE made me do it. Must be since I don't know the man.
By using the FORCE of his and others creative abilities Brad and Co. have produced a truly wonderful game. This magical FORCE has made me into a rabid fanboi willing to put up with the inane ramblings of hater boys so that the truth may actually be told.
Vanguard may well be a good game, but I honestly believe the FORCE that makes you say these things is the FORCE of $. You're on the payroll mate.
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Amazing the amount of lies people will spout to trash another person. You make your false accusastions just because I like the game.
That is the reason people consider this site to be such trash. Idiot statements like yours above.
Come on now. You have a join date of 3/11/07. All you do is preach about how good Vanguard is. While also trying to belittle anyone that thinks the game isn't good. If you aren't on the payroll you are by far one of the best brown nosers in the world. People are different. Just because you think that it's a good game doesn't make it true. Just accept that there are people that don't like Vanguard and move on.
Edit: After reviewing your post history. Out of the 18 post you've made currently. 3 do not involve Vanguard or you saying Vanguard.
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You know that is kind of a good idea, maybe Vanguard should have charged only half the fee while they got it up to a standard which was a lot better. In fact, they should possibly have no subscription fee while they get it up to a playable state.
Does that leave any game left to play? I cant think of a game where the classes dont change greatly in the first year or two, and even after that they are still in flux.
Heck the biggest culprit of this, BY FAR, has 8 million subscribers.
I just dont get it. the so called nerfs were MINOR. The only class that at this point has any right to bitch is Bards because they were supposed to be a DPS class. they still do more DPS than their counterparts in other similar games, but its not what they were led to believe. And who knows if this will change.
Besides that though, every class does the role its supposed to and does it fine. Don't believe the morons crying massive nerfs, because it isn't true.
Does that leave any game left to play? I cant think of a game where the classes dont change greatly in the first year or two, and even after that they are still in flux.
Heck the biggest culprit of this, BY FAR, has 8 million subscribers.
I just dont get it. the so called nerfs were MINOR. The only class that at this point has any right to bitch is Bards because they were supposed to be a DPS class. they still do more DPS than their counterparts in other similar games, but its not what they were led to believe. And who knows if this will change.
Besides that though, every class does the role its supposed to and does it fine. Don't believe the morons crying massive nerfs, because it isn't true.
Sorry i'll take the opinion of Taela, and her honest look at Vanguard. Over yours which is clearly biased towards "Vanguard is great", "Brad can do no wrong." Not to mention the countless sites and magazines which pretty much all agree. Vanguard is mediocre at best, and boring at worse. The way he talked about this game, it was supposed to be epic. The first true 3rd gen MMO, and most people will tell you it's anything but 3rd gen, nor is it epic.
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
I followed the game since near conception. Along the way I kept a cautious optimism as I saw what Brad was able to pull off with Everquest. Sigil has had every MMO since EQ to measure itself with and yet with all this information the game simply did not live up to the expectation(s), not of my personal beliefs, but the conceptualization that Brad himself projected. While playing the beta I was completely uninspired, the game lacked substance, meaning and purpose. My character was simply existing in a world and not really part of one.
Essentially I’m left with the impression that Brad attempted to please a set of demographics than a true fan base. With this announcement it only serves to confirm any and all suspicions, Brad made a game that wasn’t genuine to the nature of what he is capable of or set out to create.The Old Timers Guild
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I was in beta. I bought the game at release cause I thought it might get better. After the first two weeks, not even my full free month, I quit. The game is crap. It is buggy and just plain bland crap. LotRO is better as it stands right now in beta than Vanguard is after a month of release. I thought, for some stupid reason, that these guys would release something worth playing, and at the very least it would be polished and quality, even if I didn't like it.
The game looks like it was made by amatures with no budget and I was disgusted.
Does that leave any game left to play? I cant think of a game where the classes dont change greatly in the first year or two, and even after that they are still in flux.
Heck the biggest culprit of this, BY FAR, has 8 million subscribers.
I just dont get it. the so called nerfs were MINOR. The only class that at this point has any right to bitch is Bards because they were supposed to be a DPS class. they still do more DPS than their counterparts in other similar games, but its not what they were led to believe. And who knows if this will change.
Besides that though, every class does the role its supposed to and does it fine. Don't believe the morons crying massive nerfs, because it isn't true.
Sorry i'll take the opinion of Taela, and her honest look at Vanguard. Over yours which is clearly biased towards "Vanguard is great", "Brad can do no wrong." Not to mention the countless sites and magazines which pretty much all agree. Vanguard is mediocre at best, and boring at worse. The way he talked about this game, it was supposed to be epic. The first true 3rd gen MMO, and most people will tell you it's anything but 3rd gen, nor is it epic.
Huh? I didnt say anything about if vanguard is mediocre or not, I just commented on the supposed nerfs and class changes, and the fact that it is the norm for the genre.
And personally I agree that it is mediocre. I think most playing it would also agree.
I don't think Brad can do no wrong. I think the double exp weekends are terrible ideas. I think Everquest grew into a better, more well rounded game AFTER he left.
I am also tired of polished-but-shallow games (WoW, LOTRO). I am tired of games that have cool, original concepts that cant build a solid PvE game around those concepts (SWG pre CU/NGE, Ryzomm). I don't want to play a heavy PvP game (Warhammer).
For me VG has the most going for it.
-best Lore since EQ and AC (obviously LOTRO has nice lore but it also constricts the game too much). Some people want their lore spoonfed to them, VG doesnt do this so people think it doesnt have any. I dont find the world as bland as some (might have soemthing to do with only being in my 20s). Its not what EQ was, but I do aprpeciate its not like..oh here is jungle..ooh all of a sudden jungle is spooky forest oooh now all fo a sudden spooky forest is a farm...Even EQ, which I love the zones, has some pretty sharp contrasts. But VG to me avoids that theme park type build (its desertland! You can cross to dinosaurland or hop a flight to barren rock land!). it is plausible that Telon exists.
-Combat system is good. Defensive targets, reactions, weakness/exploits...Different group combos will change how you fight (at least they should if you know your vulnerabilities
-Long term potential. VG has this, and youd be blind to not see it.
-Not every night is great, but I very rarely dont have fun while playing.
I do have many dislikes
-crafting system is boring to level. VERY boring. The flipside is I love that you can build housing and boats so i actually want to level crafting. this is by far my biggest complaint.
-no way to differentiate yourself from others of the same class. perosnally I would rather it be minor like EQ2s AA system (but better implemented) or AO's perks as opposed to WoWs talent trees. (Note LOTRO suffers the same issue, the traits just arent that variable)
-the community (though this is deifntiely getting better as the gripers leave)
-the bugs. I am very rarely affected by them but I hate to see others have issues. way more buggier than any game outside of AO at release that Ive seen, but I have yet to experience anything game breaking, or see a guildie experience anything.
-missing content. Again doesnt bother me as much (I dont level fast) but it is noticeable how some areas arent as developed as others.
"I was in beta"
You participated in BETA so you should have had a good idea what state the game was in, wheather you enjoyed it or not and had a rough idea of how buggy it was. If you had no idea of these issues why start with "I was in beta" as if trying to add weight to your comment?
"I bought the game at release cause I thought it might get better"
You seem to demonstrate a level of understanding of the overall status of the game. You were "in beta" and go on to say "I thought it might get better."
"After the first two weeks, not even my full free month, I quit. The game is crap."
Holy smoke batman, what a quantum shift in realisation in just two weeks. What on God's Earth were you thinking when you bought the game? Did you think they were gonna patch in everything WITHIN two weeks of release? And to top it off you close you opening paragraph:
"even if I didn't like it"
So you were in beta, bought it knowing it wasn't finished and buggy, hoped it would improve and quit two weeks later because it hadn't, even though you say at the end of your post you didn't like it in the first place?? And then you come here adding fuel to the fire as a disgruntled customer!
"The game looks like it was made by amatures with no budget and I was disgusted"
troll.
Perhaps you were only "in beta" for a day or so?
Maybe you were heavily sedated during beta and release and then suddenly woke up one day?
If you think VG is "crap" that's fine, no problem. The thing I do have a problem with is shit like this, two weeks?! And you didn't like the game and yet you bought it and now come here complaining?
so are you saying the mmo field is dead (or worse, because you believe vanguard is sub-average)?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
so the solution is that everyone should upgrade their computers and then they can play this uber game?
no wonder they're getting so many millions begging to play this game.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Many people really enjoy this game. And more keep coming so it's definitely getting better.
They are very actively fixing bugs and adding stuff but the game is great as is.
Most people just aren't having the issues that some posters claim. They are in game and having a great time.
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Yeah I just read that thread.
I didn't know I was a part of the revolution till now but its cool.
I stand by my opinion and give it freely. It is honest.
I think you all could use a little distance though. Many of you bash VG with the most outlandish claims. Noone I know is having the problems many of you say everyone is having. I'm sure they exist for some but it is not the way you make it out to be.
But if you dont' like the game that is your perogative.
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Screen shots is hardly a convincing post IMNHO as a fraps video. Sorry but standing still and not doing anything will net you okay fps in almost every game even the abortion known as DnL.
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Ugh, I don't wanna play your game. WoW and LotRO are there for you and has all those things you listed that you like in a game. Vanguard might not be for you but it is for me.
I hate instances, short bus levelling curves, chairlift travel, zero death penalty and bloomy 4 polygon per npc graphics. You go play that and I'll stick to Vanguard.
Nice post actually. I like what Brad had to say. I hope the game is true to this Vision this time next year because that's the earliest I see myself buying it.
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Does that leave any game left to play? I cant think of a game where the classes dont change greatly in the first year or two, and even after that they are still in flux.
Heck the biggest culprit of this, BY FAR, has 8 million subscribers.
I just dont get it. the so called nerfs were MINOR. The only class that at this point has any right to bitch is Bards because they were supposed to be a DPS class. they still do more DPS than their counterparts in other similar games, but its not what they were led to believe. And who knows if this will change.
Besides that though, every class does the role its supposed to and does it fine. Don't believe the morons crying massive nerfs, because it isn't true.
LOL. Way to take a small section of my comment and take it completely out of context.
There is a SIGNIFICANT difference between releasing a game with polish and adjuting it as per needed and releasing a poorly built game from word GO and making drastic changes to classes, engines and mechanics before anyone can even get settled in! And let us NOT forget that this is being done on already poorly thought out mechanics to begin with !!!
But please, next time you want to quote something of mine, be sure to include the MEANING of the post before you try and pick it appart, I'm more than happy to respond to something I write, so long as it's represented fairly.
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Could not have said it before SMG.
I always imagine Brad tapping his fingers together, repeating in a raspy voice: "Excelent", when he reads a post like this.
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Could not have said it before SMG.
I always imagine Brad tapping his fingers together, repeating in a raspy voice: "Excelent", when he reads a post like this.
Could be the FORCE made me do it. Must be since I don't know the man.
By using the FORCE of his and others creative abilities Brad and Co. have produced a truly wonderful game. This magical FORCE has made me into a rabid fanboi willing to put up with the inane ramblings of hater boys so that the truth may actually be told.
Yes Vanguard is a good game.
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Vanguard may well be a good game, but I honestly believe the FORCE that makes you say these things is the FORCE of $.
You're on the payroll mate.
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Amazing the amount of lies people will spout to trash another person. You make your false accusastions just because I like the game.
That is the reason people consider this site to be such trash. Idiot statements like yours above.
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Amazing the amount of lies people will spout to trash another person. You make your false accusastions just because I like the game.
That is the reason people consider this site to be such trash. Idiot statements like yours above.
Come on now. You have a join date of 3/11/07. All you do is preach about how good Vanguard is. While also trying to belittle anyone that thinks the game isn't good. If you aren't on the payroll you are by far one of the best brown nosers in the world. People are different. Just because you think that it's a good game doesn't make it true. Just accept that there are people that don't like Vanguard and move on.
Edit: After reviewing your post history. Out of the 18 post you've made currently. 3 do not involve Vanguard or you saying Vanguard.
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