Military shortages, Social Security crisis, and illegal immigration all linked to abortion

outfctrl

How could this great land of plenty produce too few people in the last 30 years? Here is the brutal truth that no one dares to mention: We’re too few because too many of our babies have been killed,” Miller said.

Over 45 million since Roe v. Wade in 1973. If those 45 million children had lived, today they would be defending our country, they would be filling our jobs, they would be paying into Social Security,” the former Georgia governor said. “Still, we watch as 3,700 babies are killed every single day in America. It is unbelievable that a nation under God would allow this.

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I am against abortion, but personally I think Zell Miller has lost his mind.  OMG

 

noname12345

According to Steven D. Levitt who graduated from Harvard University, received his Ph.D. from MIT and wrote the bestseller Freakonomics, legalizing abortion actually helped cut crime rate by roughly half. You can look it up and get more details. I read the book and of course it's very controversial. I'm no expert so don't attack me =P

baff

I have no issue with abortion, it's legal here. I know people that have had them.

Great thread title though. That had me laughing.

 

noname12345

Originally posted by baff


I have no issue with abortion, it's legal here. I know people that have had them.
Great thread title though. That had me laughing.
 

I thought it was pretty funny too.

Meon

I'm Christian, yet i believe in abortion, the death sentence and ways of putting things to death.

i do think there should be a limit to how many abortions a woman can have though.

Spathotan

Abortion may seem "evil" or "cruel" on the outside, but you have to look at it from all the angles. If the woman got pregnant on accident, and is just not able to take care of the baby, wether it be finantial, medical, anything like that, then I believe the choise should be hers.

MadAce

If 45 million is at all correct...



Many of those would have been doing drugs, in crime, in poverty, ......... Or they would be ill, from a bad background, ............



There's a reason why there's abortion.

Draenor

Okay I'll be the voice of reason:

Knock it off, nobody in this thread knows how all of those aborted fetuses would have lived their lives, what their contributions would have been, and if they would have been dead beats.  This is pointless to discuss because there is absolutely NO way of knowing any of that information.

noname12345

Originally posted by Draenor


Okay I'll be the voice of reason:
Knock it off, nobody in this thread knows how all of those aborted fetuses would have lived their lives, what their contributions would have been, and if they would have been dead beats.  This is pointless to discuss because there is absolutely NO way of knowing any of that information.

It's called making predictions. Scientists, politicians, law enforcement, economists ALL do it. I bet you made a prediction once.



edit: Draenor is going to make a rebuttal....see? I'm making a prediction about your future behavior.

InfectionCE

i personally think they should at least have the baby and give it up for adoption, this way it doesn't have to die and the parents don't have to worry about it

outfctrl

Originally posted by InfectionCE


i personally think they should at least have the baby and give it up for adoption, this way it doesn't have to die and the parents don't have to worry about it

I agree with one exception.  They have to change the laws on adoption.  The reason why so many parents adopt from Russia and China and refuse to adopt in the states, is because the laws here say , basically the biological Mother can get her child back anytime, even years later.  I have two friends that refused to adopt in the US because of that.

It is all Bullshit.  I am adopted, but I was adopted back in the 50's, laws were different back then.  The biological Mother should have no rights when she gives her baby up for adoption, unless and this is a big unless.....if the parents that adopted the child were unfit. 

They are screened heavily though.

kashaun

So some problems that are likely to be caused by abortions have been covered. What are some of the problems that lead to abortion?

outfctrl

Originally posted by BadChef

So some problems that are likely to be caused by abortions have been covered. What are some of the problems that lead to abortion?

One major problem is .....Ignorance

IF laws were different and the mother was informed on the benefit of having the child, maybe abortion wouldnt be an option.

You are snuffing out a life.   Period

Briansho

Originally posted by outfctrl

Originally posted by BadChef

So some problems that are likely to be caused by abortions have been covered. What are some of the problems that lead to abortion?

One major problem is .....Ignorance

IF laws were different and the mother was informed on the benefit of having the child, maybe abortion wouldnt be an option.

You are snuffing out a life.   Period

I'd say irresponsibility and unprotected sex as well. I highly doubt people are worrying about being informed of some laws that would benefit from having a child while they are fucking.

kashaun

Ignorance is a problem, no argument there.

outfctrl

ITS SO EASY TO SAY "fUCK THIS, i AM NOT HAVING A BABY"

Instead of saying, I screwed up, I will take resonsibility and do what is right for the child.  Same way with a rape, Give birth and let the child be adopted.

BUT NOOOOO........the laws here suk with adoption

baff

Originally posted by outfctrl

Originally posted by BadChef

So some problems that are likely to be caused by abortions have been covered. What are some of the problems that lead to abortion?

One major problem is .....Ignorance

IF laws were different and the mother was informed on the benefit of having the child, maybe abortion wouldnt be an option.

You are snuffing out a life.   Period

Lol, period means something quite different here.

Rofls.

 

Anyway what's your beef with snuffing out life, if you thought life was a sacred thing you wouldn't have joined the Navy and trained to kill.

I don't see how this is anyone's business but the people directly involved.

 

 

The world is full of children in need of adoption with parents willing to give them up, there is a surplus. Mind your own business. You want to adopt, adopt. Nothing is stopping you.

modjoe86

The main reason I'm against abortion, besides the fact that you're killing a baby, is that it legitimizes slutty behavior. I also think women who get abortions for illegitimate reasons should have their names published on the front page of the newspaper every day. If they are comfortable enough with abortion to actually get one, they shouldn't hide it in the darkest corners of their brain like a dirty little secret. So when I run for president in the coming election, Newspaper Abortions will be my primary issue.

noname12345

outfctrl, you seem to want adoption laws to be more conducive to more adoptions in the US, so what are your thoughts on gay adoptions? Would you support it? Right now it appears Florida bans gay adoption, which doesn't help the children get adopted any quicker.

baff

^^^lol^^^

 

@ mo

I don't think women are "comfortable" about getting abortions at all.

Traditionally it's a rather unpleasant and emotionally and physically harrowing experience.

 

 

 

Gay adoption has just been legislated here. Before adoption agencies could refuse you if you are a gay couple. Now they are not allowed.

The Catholic church had threatened to close all it's adoption centre if it wasn't given an exemption. It didn't get one. I wonder if they are still open. 

modjoe86

Originally posted by baff


I don't think women are "comfortable" about getting abortions at all.
Traditionally it's a rather unpleasant and emotionally and physically harrowing experience.

Well, murderers are probably not comfortable with their situation either, but society likes to know who's doing the killing.

baff

A doctor does the killing.

Vetted and lisenced by society in advance.

modjoe86

Originally posted by baff


A doctor does the killing.
Vetted and lisenced by society in advance.

I feel like we are arguing in circles. If it is perfectly legal and acceptable by society, what is the harm in publishing it? Obituaries, Weddings, Job Listings, and Relationship ads are all in the paper, why not abortions? These are all very personal and important aspects of our lives, and society takes the liberty to let everyone know about all of these but one.

Unknown

Originally posted by AlexAmore





According to Steven D. Levitt who graduated from Harvard University, received his Ph.D. from MIT and wrote the bestseller Freakonomics, legalizing abortion actually helped cut crime rate by roughly half. You can look it up and get more details. I read the book and of course it's very controversial. I'm no expert so don't attack me =P

Thank you posting that Alex!



I'm all for abortion! Indeed, I would strongly advocate paying incompetent/undesirable parents to undergo sterilization. There is nothing worse than an unwanted child who is then raised up by incompetent "parents"...they almost always grow up to become a massive burden on society!

Draenor

Originally posted by AlexAmore

Originally posted by Draenor


Okay I'll be the voice of reason:
Knock it off, nobody in this thread knows how all of those aborted fetuses would have lived their lives, what their contributions would have been, and if they would have been dead beats.  This is pointless to discuss because there is absolutely NO way of knowing any of that information.

It's called making predictions. Scientists, politicians, law enforcement, economists ALL do it. I bet you made a prediction once.



edit: Draenor is going to make a rebuttal....see? I'm making a prediction about your future behavior.

Predictions are based upon evidence, the things that people are saying are based on personal bias and opinion, not factual information.  That's my rebuttal, your prediction that I would make a rebuttal was based on your knowledge that I tend to respond when someone says something less than intelligent.

edit:  I should rephrase that...predictions don't have to be based on evidence...but since every single person in this thread who is saying something about what these aborted kids would be doing today doesn't actually have any basis for their predictions, every opinion is going to be PURE speculation, and therefore worthless.

vampiress92

Originally posted by modjoe86

Originally posted by baff


A doctor does the killing.
Vetted and lisenced by society in advance.

I feel like we are arguing in circles. If it is perfectly legal and acceptable by society, what is the harm in publishing it? Obituaries, Weddings, Job Listings, and Relationship ads are all in the paper, why not abortions? These are all very personal and important aspects of our lives, and society takes the liberty to let everyone know about all of these but one.

There is no harm in publishing it, but we have a right to privacy, and most people believe that having some type of medical procudure isn't something needing to be published. If you don't want your Wedding or Obit in the paper, and don't think everyone needs to know about it, you don't send it in to the local press. Besides, for most of those ads, you have to pay money to have them put in. After spending $400+ on having something removed from your uterus, would you want to pay another $30 to have someone put it in the paper?

I believe abortion is ok. Before blood starts flowing through its veins, its not living, therefore, I wouldn't hesitate to have it removed. I feel if its unwanted in your body, its similar to a tumor. It grows, it feeds off you, and it can destroy your life.