The word "Bible" is considered profanity in LOTR Online's Language Filter. Tolkien is a Christian. O

AutemOx

Originally posted by cmusgrove


 
J.R. Tolkien was the one that lead CS Lewis to Christ, or converted him to Christianity, if you prefer.  Just in case you don't know, CS Lewis is/was a major Christian theologian (also wrote, Chronicles of Naria series).
So yes, J.R. Tolkien was definitely a Christian.

hehe

Kyleran

Originally posted by LethalBurst

GOOD. Let it stay that way. The LAST thing we need is some idiot talking about bible nonsense in OOC.

Well, they can still talk about it...but if you've left your filter on.... you'll just see...  @#@*$ ;

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beauxaj

Turbine is just covering their bases, In this litigous age when someone can go to court for having "in god we trust" on U.S. currency you can be sure some hypersensitive yahoo with an axe to grind will try something equally ridiculous. 

virtuella

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by wormywyrm


They filter it because of the hebrew bible and the protestant bible...  Stupid jews and reform christians, they are all going to burn in hell!
Catholicism for teh win!

No, Catholicism FOR THE LOSE, Reformation FOR THE WIN.

Everyone for the loose.

When we die we end up as compost.



People just clings to the hope that there is something after this life.

sitheus

Its probably good to ban religous, policitcal ideas, etc. as it serves no purpose other than starting a flame war in games which I don't subscribe to MMORPG's to get more of the same that I get out of real life. To not ban those ideals is to invite lots of trouble where people will start spreading there messages in games that naturally will lead to other problems. If I want a debate of ideals I will not have to pay a monthly fee for it as I can get that any time of the day IRL. But I choose to play games to have fun and avoid those endless, over debated issues.

Magnas

I myself am an Agnostic Dyslexic with Insomonia--I stay up all night wondering if thier really is a Dog.

Xpheyel

I'm not really following the thread completely, but I have a theory which I think makes sense.

There are 2 filters and only two filters.

Filter A matches substrings from a list of banned words. Like "Frodo", "Sauron", "God", and swear words. A whole dictionary file may be in there for all I know. "Bard" for example, was marked "vulgar" (or so I read) and titles like "Sir", "Lord", "Duke", etc etc.
When you run afoul of Filter A, it says your name is vulgar because originally they just banned obvious offenders like the 'the f-bomb'.

Filter B looks for regular expressions like three vowels in a row, a name with all consonants, and things of that nature. There is someone named Zoue on the forums that brings this up occasionally and asked about it in the last dev chat.
Everything blocked by Filter B gets the "gibberish" error.

Sorrow

M I C R O S O F T

is also considered a bad word in LOTRO's filter.. that in and of itself is reason enough to buy this game.

Jetrpg

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

Originally posted by cupertino

Religon is the biggest joke on earth after all the only thing that seperates a religion from a cult us a 1000 years.



Banning religous stuff from games is just as proper as banning swear words, it can cause greifing if you see some 1 called "the bible sux" or what ever.

Well, that's one opinion.

Honestly, why stop at religon?  If they were to ban anything that subject or word that could be used to cause griefing, I suppose they would have to ban almost any discussion.  Politics?  Banned.  Sexuality?  Banned.  Nationality?  Banned.  Ethnicity?  Banned.  See a trend here? 

Instead of worrying about filtering conversations, we could all just try to be adults.  After all, we have more tools in game to ignore an idiot than we have in real life.  Tools like /ignore work wonders.  If something is particularly offensive, we have /report.  

Personally, I like to think for myself, and I prefer to keep it that way.  I don't need nor want a game company to tell me what is and isn't offensive.  I'm pretty sure I can figure that out on my own.   I don't shut off my brain when I log into a MMO.

Thank yuo Death for understand what so many of the enlightened SPs can not seem to.

It is called freedom , it is suppost to eb a natrual right, so why do we limit it so... Becuase we are no longer true to the vision that the creators of the US bill of rights setup, no longer true to the teachign of john lock and so many others.

I say let the world be free, let all people be free, and expect us to be responcible becuase at the end of the day you can suger coat the true as much as you want but with out responsibility people just will simiply not preform.

maxnrosy

Originally posted by Jetrpg

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

Originally posted by cupertino

Religon is the biggest joke on earth after all the only thing that seperates a religion from a cult us a 1000 years.



Banning religous stuff from games is just as proper as banning swear words, it can cause greifing if you see some 1 called "the bible sux" or what ever.

Well, that's one opinion.

Honestly, why stop at religon?  If they were to ban anything that subject or word that could be used to cause griefing, I suppose they would have to ban almost any discussion.  Politics?  Banned.  Sexuality?  Banned.  Nationality?  Banned.  Ethnicity?  Banned.  See a trend here? 

Instead of worrying about filtering conversations, we could all just try to be adults.  After all, we have more tools in game to ignore an idiot than we have in real life.  Tools like /ignore work wonders.  If something is particularly offensive, we have /report.  

Personally, I like to think for myself, and I prefer to keep it that way.  I don't need nor want a game company to tell me what is and isn't offensive.  I'm pretty sure I can figure that out on my own.   I don't shut off my brain when I log into a MMO.

Thank yuo Death for understand what so many of the enlightened SPs can not seem to.

It is called freedom , it is suppost to eb a natrual right, so why do we limit it so... Becuase we are no longer true to the vision that the creators of the US bill of rights setup, no longer true to the teachign of john lock and so many others.

I say let the world be free, let all people be free, and expect us to be responcible becuase at the end of the day you can suger coat the true as much as you want but with out responsibility people just will simiply not preform. eh? lotr is part of the usa?

Jadar

I was standing by an ore deposit switching tools, some ass ran up and harvested the ore. Imagine my surprise when I call him a dick, and all that came out was @#$%^%. Language filters are for pussies.

Jetrpg

eh? lotr is part of the usa?

Ahh man ,  the problem here is a lack of education and general interest in ones future.



John locke was not American , nor were Immanuel Kant Voltaire, Rousseau, David Hume, or Jean-Jacques Rousseau.



The concept of natrual right are not capitalistic or democratic but a univeral concept of rights all humans have.



John locke interestling was also the first modern progressor of tabula rasa (which happens to be a new mmo coming out )



The reason why you shouldn't ban religious words is becuase it should be human right to experse themselves to a moderate degree and saying bible should not offend anyone. No person should be offended by the name of a holy book unless it carries a harsh meaning, the Koran (old sp) ,  Bible, Torah, Mahabharata, and Ramayana are all works whose name should offend no one and banning for the sake of banning it simiply awful. 

pb1285n

Originally posted by virtuella

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by wormywyrm


They filter it because of the hebrew bible and the protestant bible...  Stupid jews and reform christians, they are all going to burn in hell!
Catholicism for teh win!

No, Catholicism FOR THE LOSE, Reformation FOR THE WIN.

Everyone for the loose.

When we die we end up as compost.



People just clings to the hope that there is something after this life.

and people like you cling to the hope of no after life because you are afraid.

and I am not saying that because I am religious, I am saying it because you are stupid.

Feel free to believe what you want, but try to keep your ignorance to a minimum.

Thank you

To JetRPG :

You can't argue freedom of expression for some and not all. How would that be fair saying it's okay to say one thing and not another. Religion does offend some people and it's better that it not be talked about at all in a public setting. Besides, the filter can be turned off so this shouldn't be an issue at all.

bebopdrums

Originally posted by MadFlavor

The word "Bible" is considered profanity in LOTR Online's Language Filter. Tolkien is a Christian. Isn't this rather odd?

awesome:) i love it. religion belongs in the privacy of your own hut. personally i dont ever wanna see it in any kind of game i play. modern times are upon us. darwinists rejoice.

goomba667

Originally posted by pb1285n 


and people like you cling to the hope of no after life because you are afraid.
and I am not saying that because I am religious, I am saying it because you are stupid.
Feel free to believe what you want, but try to keep your ignorance to a minimum.
Thank you
To JetRPG :
You can't argue freedom of expression for some and not all. How would that be fair saying it's okay to say one thing and not another. Religion does offend some people and it's better that it not be talked about at all in a public setting. Besides, the filter can be turned off so this shouldn't be an issue at all.

Show me one iota of proof of life after death. Until then, stop calling ppl stupid because of their beliefs, or lack thereof.

AutemOx

Originally posted by pb1285n

Originally posted by virtuella

Originally posted by mcharj11

Originally posted by wormywyrm


They filter it because of the hebrew bible and the protestant bible...  Stupid jews and reform christians, they are all going to burn in hell!
Catholicism for teh win!

No, Catholicism FOR THE LOSE, Reformation FOR THE WIN.

Everyone for the loose.

When we die we end up as compost.



People just clings to the hope that there is something after this life.

and people like you cling to the hope of no after life because you are afraid.

and I am not saying that because I am religious, I am saying it because you are stupid.

Feel free to believe what you want, but try to keep your ignorance to a minimum.

Thank you

To JetRPG :

You can't argue freedom of expression for some and not all. How would that be fair saying it's okay to say one thing and not another. Religion does offend some people and it's better that it not be talked about at all in a public setting. Besides, the filter can be turned off so this shouldn't be an issue at all.

  Hes afraid of death, therefore he clins to the hope that there is nothing after death?

hehe 

Huntn

Hey, I tried naming a character "Shadow" and got a warning about vulgarity... no kidd'n :P

w175jab

Originally posted by Magnas

I myself am an Agnostic dyslexic with insomonia -- I stay up all night wondering if there really is a dog.

Haha.



I have mixed feelings regarding religion...



I don't mean to offend anyone by the following statement... But the word Christian is an incredibly flexible term...



Bending reality outside of the image set forth by the Bible... Blasphemy!



Tolkien may have been "Christian," but his work sure as hell wasn't.

Drafell

I work for a game where we regulate religious/political/racial discussions, and it does work, although we use active moderation rather than inbuilt filters. I t, however, is time intensive for the Staff involved. They are nearly all community volunteers who want to help maintain the standards that we have set, and with supervision it is a system that has worked well for us for the last 6 years. Admittedly we do use filters for profanity, but we still moderate attempts to circumvent them.



I am not in favour of outright banning the use of words such as the "Bible", "Koran" or other religious texts, as they are used too often in day to day conversation, but without the presence of active community moderations there is little else that can be done. Until software is developed that can accurately interpret text in context of the native language, blanket filtering will always be the least resource intensive method.



I don't particularly agree with their stance here, although I can see why it has been done. I feel that there are much better solutions though, even if they do require a lot more effort and support to implement and maintain.



One point that might be of interest to everyone here is that the American constitutional "right to free speech" doesn't apply in private venues, this includes web based games, servers and communication facilities...

alyndale

Sometimes, I think we go overboard on this "politically correct" stuff.  Doesn't matter if it's the Bible or the Quran.  These are historical texts and shouldn't be isolated as some sort of idealogical threat.  It's a shame we are lead by the nose by fanatics that have a vendetta or some type of agenda against culture.

Mrbloodworth

No religion has any place in any game other than the in game religions. Period.

JonathJCen

It is a bit odd that you would consider bible profain, it's probably not intended to be filtered.

However, the claim that Tolkien was Christain, I'm not 100% sure about. There are many writers that people have liked to believed were christain but were in fact not.

The one that might come to the biggest surprise to most people is that many of the US founding fathers were Diests (believing that there was some intelegent life(s) that influinced the creation of life on earth, but after the fact they have nothing to do with us. they don't dictate us or interact with us, etc.)

anarchyart

Originally posted by JonathJCen


It is a bit odd that you would consider bible profain, it's probably not intended to be filtered.

However, the claim that Tolkien was Christain, I'm not 100% sure about. There are many writers that people have liked to believed were christain but were in fact not.

The one that might come to the biggest surprise to most people is that many of the US founding fathers were Diests (believing that there was some intelegent life(s) that influinced the creation of life on earth, but after the fact they have nothing to do with us. they don't dictate us or interact with us, etc.)

Tolkien absolutely WAS a christian and this is quite evident in his books if you can read between the lines. 

dddz

Originally posted by Jetrpg

eh? lotr is part of the usa?

Ahh man ,  the problem here is a lack of education and general interest in ones future.



John locke was not American , nor were Immanuel Kant Voltaire, Rousseau, David Hume, or Jean-Jacques Rousseau.



The concept of natrual right are not capitalistic or democratic but a univeral concept of rights all humans have.



John locke interestling was also the first modern progressor of tabula rasa (which happens to be a new mmo coming out )



The reason why you shouldn't ban religious words is becuase it should be human right to experse themselves to a moderate degree and saying bible should not offend anyone. No person should be offended by the name of a holy book unless it carries a harsh meaning, the Koran (old sp) ,  Bible, Torah, Mahabharata, and Ramayana are all works whose name should offend no one and banning for the sake of banning it simiply awful.  Isn't John Locke part of LOST on abc? lol