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why i say yes to lotro
wyzwun
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Speak to just about any of us beta testers of lotro, and they will tell you that they are buying lotro not because it’s a great mmo, but because it quite simply is the best beta they have ever been in.
If turbine is willing to work hard for us, for free imagine what they will do when we actually pay them.
the haters seem to point at a lot of turbines past mistakes or failures, but I just don’t see how this even relates to Lotro or the success Turbine is GOING to achieve. Lotro will be a hit, it will be a million sellers, you can basically bank on that…
I will go out of my way and frankly say, that WAR will be a flat out bust and Mythica will go the way of Origin … except Origin actually made GREAT games… DaOC was not such.
Its just a waste of my time, to explain why Lotro is a great game. You can sign up for the beta, if you can’t figure it out, you were never meant to be here…
Oh btw, im not a casual gamer, im a POWER gamer… so much for that Stereotype that the Vanbois are throwing around…
I think out of all of them, AoC will either be a milestone, or a complete bust. The guys at fun com are maybe the only ones who are actually trying to do something different in this space.
Why will I sign up for lotro lifetime? Its really simple, A my EQ clan is moving to it ( http://rotfh.com ) and it’s the best PVE mmorpg I have played since FFXI.
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I agree with what you said about LotRO.
The lifetime deal is such a bargain, if future games flop, or I do not like them, I don't have to worry about cancelling or paying more, I can just return to an already enjoyable game. No worries.
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Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
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DAOC is still the only decent long term Pvp model out there today...... but then I see you played EQ.... explains it all pretty much..
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There are a lot of people that like PvP. WAR will probably succeed because of that. Really no reason to attack other games in order to support LotRO... especially when those other games are in a completely different league. If you are all about PvE, LotRO is probably a great game for you. Many people that like PvP however, will be flocking to WAR. DAoC is considered by many to be the best PvP MMORPG to date. And it's Mythic.
I hope both games are a success. It would be nice to see several options catering to different play styles in the MMORPG genre.
I really like the game so far, and I am buying it, but the lifetime thing seems a bit much. Assuming a free month at purchase with the founders rate it's 21 months before you are going to break even, 22 before you come out ahead, and if you're in the closed and then open beta it's more like 23 months. These days I don't care how good a game is, I really doubt it will hold my attention for 30 days shy of two years.
DAOC is still the only decent long term Pvp model out there today...... but then I see you played EQ.... explains it all pretty much..
Oh, its not as if i did not play DaOC. Yes i am mostly interested in the PVE aspects of mmorpgs, I choose to play FPS and RTS games for my "Player VS Player" lust... it just never made sense to me...
After doing amazing things in EQ and then playing something like DaOC, were a community was divided... it never made sense. If you are a PvP player, then that is fine... but what one must understand is that the tech is very important to the life span of these games. And where i see WAR not doing well is because its engine... is very dated and frankly, it is suspect.
I guess, i bring up WAR because, i thought DaOC is a "cheap" game. and some of these WAR posters here, seem to speak as if, WAR is some kind of hardcore game, when fact is, DaOC was anything but.... These posters, try to label Lotro as shallow... or try to say that the world is small... these people need to go and RMT there selves a clue.
I guess, what i get sick of, is all of this Casual VS Hardcore banter... if a game is good, people will play it, no matter what.
I hope WAR turns out to be good, frankly this genre cant afford any more failures. And yes I to hope that ST, TR and even EvE is able to produce quality titles in the future so that gamers have options...
AoC with its lore, and its desire to create an action based mmo... is interesting... truth is, the future face of the mmorpg needs to play more like Zelda and less like EQ. Can devs produce a zelda type of gameplay? i would say no... because the tech is not there... but i hope someone does prove me wrong
Until then, imo Lotro is what this genre needs. A polished game, deep with lore and story. A game that puts the RPG back into the mmorpg... a game that aims to unite a community instead of trying to divide it with REALMS. A game made by what are IMO some of the most talented devs around...
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You do know that DaoC was more popular than any game Turbine has ever made including AC right? Of course, that was before Mythic was bought-out by Electronic Arts (which is where I assume you got the Origin comparison from.../sigh...I'm still not over that).
Turbine is banking on this IP...but I'm not confident that LotR is popular enough to bring the goods. If they couldn't do it with DnD (which how in the hell do you mess up DnD? The MMO basically makes itself), I don't see how they're going to do it here either.
This is only a guess...but my guess is that in a few months when you've experienced all this game 15% the size of WoW has to offer and hurting for a real endgame, you're going to be wishing you hadn't bought a lifetime subscription.
Want to know my prediction? I predict LotRO, WAR, AoC, and VG will all four end up being mediocre bargain-bin titles (granted, some will get there faster than others). Personally, I can't wait to see what's up Bioware's sleeves.
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You do know that DaoC was more popular than any game Turbine has ever made including AC right? Of course, that was before Mythic was bought-out by Electronic Arts (which is where I assume you got the Origin comparison from.../sigh...I'm still not over that).
Turbine is banking on this IP...but I'm not confident that LotR is popular enough to bring the goods. If they couldn't do it with DnD (which how in the hell do you mess up DnD? The MMO basically makes itself), I don't see how they're going to do it here either.
This is only a guess...but my guess is that in a few months when you've experienced all this game 15% the size of WoW has to offer and hurting for a real endgame, you're going to be wishing you hadn't bought a lifetime subscription.
Want to know my prediction? I predict LotRO, WAR, AoC, and VG will all four end up being mediocre bargain-bin titles (granted, some will get there faster than others). Personally, I can't wait to see what's up Bioware's sleeves.
AS i said before, i dont consider any of turbines work when i try to LOOK at lotro. I just dont care. If DnDO sucks, how does this effect Lotro? Mythic gets points for sticking to a game, and trying to ride out that ship... Turbine is trying to find the right IP to match what there devs have always wanted to make....
You cant make an Lotro omelet without breaking a few DnD and AC2 eggs... (ok maybe that was lame lol)
One more thing, regarding my desire for end game... i mean do you think EQ had a lot of end game content? UM NOPE lol. Those of us, who cared about the community and that loved the game stayed,,, those who didnt went to games like DaOC... and um yeah, most of them on my server... they all ended up coming home.
Way i see it, i finally move my tent from Norath to the one place it always should have been... truth is, so much of EQ was stolen from Tolkiens pages and gues what, thats why we loved it. One of the reasons imo that EQ2 failed is because instead of stealing (what soe is good at) they tried to "do there own thing" and ... well the results speak.
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It's going to be interesting in a few years. I (and many others) find LotRO to be just plain fun; and have no idea why. There's going to be a lot of analysis as to how they did that. The check list of features doesn't reveal much. Art direction is coherent and excellent, but how do you define that? Other than "I know it when I see it". It is free of irritants, both bugs and design choices.
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DAOC is still the only decent long term Pvp model out there today...... but then I see you played EQ.... explains it all pretty much..
*Sigh* You talk about lost credibility then go on to post this?
Both EQI & DAOC were excellent titles granted DAOC was superior for PVP.
But then again EQI was far superior in PVE.
Now what was the subject about again?....Oh yes LOTRO. *smile*
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I have heard a statement thrown about quite a bit. Bemoaning Turbine....How can a company screw up an IP like DnD?
DnD is only a ruleset for a pen and paper game and that is its failing. One of the cornerstones of a good MMO is a good story structure that is engageing. Eberron is ok as far as DnD campaign settings go but it is still pretty weak when compared tothe greats like the old Greyhawk or the Forgotten Realms settings.
I do think that is one of issues with DnDO the story is not as engaging as folks would like it to be. Turbine did capture the feel of the tabletop dugeon game feel pretty well but failed because the backstory is weak. Other games in the genre suffer from this as well. It is also why LOTRO will do well, the backstory is consistant and engaging. Besides the fact its undenialbly FUN.
Elf ,Dwarf ,and Hobbit (halfling) being the only three non human character choices in any other game would be a deathnail being viewed and stale (as in eveyone uses those) and limiting; in LOTRO it isn't why? Because the man (tolkien) invented our modern fantasy versions of these three races and it fits exactly into the IP's handling of them. For those that bemoan the lack of character PVP and feel the monster play is not enough. Try it seriously its some of the best PVP I seen. The chance to actually being a named monster that other characters quest to get a shot at? Thats seriously good stuff!
LOTRO isn't copying any other game using what we feel as stereotypical races, its arguable its the one game that can include them with a clear coscience. Due to the fact that everyone out there has copied Tolkien's vision not the other way around.
I just want to know if, as a self admitted power gamer, do you find LotRO challenging enough? I only got to about level 5, so I didn't play very long thus far. Up to that point the game is very easy, as a starting experience should be. Does the game get more challenging as you get higher in levels?
Heya AA, I know that question wasn't directed at me but I can tell you that from my perspective the game has gotten signifigantly deeper and more of a challenge at from level 5 to 15. Mainly from 10 onward. Once you hit the Barrow Downs and the Old Forest, it's a nice challenge imo. I agree with you, levels 1 - 5 (1 - 10 even) are pretty easy but a nice relaxed way to learn the games workings.
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I just want to know if, as a self admitted power gamer, do you find LotRO challenging enough? I only got to about level 5, so I didn't play very long thus far. Up to that point the game is very easy, as a starting experience should be. Does the game get more challenging as you get higher in levels?
The first 10 levels the game is very much on rails so to speak. Its on rails because there trying to tell a story, once you finnish that part of the game, your now in "the world" so to speak. Most of the time, when i am in an instance i cant really tell... this is a major kudo to turbine, they actually are the first mmo to use instance spaces correctly (can quote me on that) BUT imo the games beauty is in the open world, the world is simply amazing. As a vet of EQ and FFXI, lotro got tougher past lvl20. Also i found myself trying to uncover a lot of traits... i believe the trait system, being what is a form of AA at launch adds a lot of depth to the game. WoW has been out for 2 years and it doesnt have AA... its not just about levels anymore...
I frankly would like to see the level cap at 50, and just expand on the traits (but im sure they wont do that). A lot of the small raid instances are some of the best pve ive seen in a long time.
Your idea of a "hard" game doesnt really exist. Simply because, theres a thotbott for lazy people around every corner. Every game is going to have
The question you should be asking is, "Do you think lotro has enough content to keep me busy" and imo, the answer is yes. Turbine has failed in past games due to not having enough content, they didnt do that here... in fact, its really hard to tell this was made by tubine lol... as i said before, im not a fan of any company. If someone makes a great game, in what is a craptastic space, thats were im going.
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I agree attacking yet unreleased games like WAR and DAoC which many agree has the best mass pvp ever is not called for.
LOTR looks nice and polished.I have no idea how the long term gaming will be however.
I posted shortly after DDO that turbine will push all they have into LOTRO simply because they inherited 2 great licence from their time with M$- dungeons and dragons and LOTR and completely messed one up.
Also the closure of AC2 and AC1 low population must mean they are throwing all they have into LOTRO,and failure will break them.
However,like all things in life when people put their best effort and resources to it ,something good comes out.LOTRO will secure turbine future because not only has it got the name its a good effort at a mmorpg too.
Dont you mean Warhammer Online : Age of Reckoning??? there is no 40k mmorpg ( I think). 40k is the future Warhammer that has classes such as Kaos, space marines and such.
I'm loving everything I see in LOTRO, got 3 copies pre-ordered for my family. It looks great, runs great, and will be a lot of fun. But that doesn't mean I think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. To me, it's like the first jab of a combo. They got the foundation, the engine, a good world, a smooth running game.... and I think it's safe to say that release will go very well. But that is just the lead in jab. Now they need to follow with the big hook. Will the content they produce be enough and fast enough to keep the players interested? xpack in what? 6 mo? 1 year? 2 year? If 1+ years, then I'm afraid it might fizzle, because it doesn't have the sandbox wide-world pvp thing happening. But you are correct, it is a great playing pve game.
And there is no reason to compare lotro with AoC or WAR. They are a long way from release, so there is no telling what they will end up looking like. VG however is fair game .... hehe.... this game is going head-to-head with VG because of their release schedules. I think the recent buggy release of VG is just making lotro look better than if it had been released in a vacuum....
So far in beta the game is surprisingly solid, the graphics are gorgeous...little basic, but that keeps the requirements down. Movements are fluid, although lacking realism, virtually speaking of course.
The quests are very easy, the rewards are blah..
The character customization lacks originality... I didn't know that LOTR had the attack of the clones also... Crafting is rough, it will take time to polish it up. The npc and wildlife AI has alot to be desired.. they wander it set patterns, attack the same way. NPC's are just that, NPC's no emphasis on trying to make them blend in to the world... reminded me of D&D online.
I would like to have seen for example the Inn at the Prancing Pony bustling with life.. not only with npc's but humans trying to master instruments. They could have made that mutally benneficial.. people would enter to buff their stats, while musicians earn xp..
Maybe I'm overly critical.. and spoiled by other mmo's I've played. I think with today's technology, and budgets for mmo's they could have made it more like the books.. I don't feel like I'm in the LOTR saga at all.
I did like the emphasis on quests rather than grinding, but if you did want to grind, your mind will go numb from lack of virtual realism..(I know, it's an oxymoron.. lol)
I just wanted to give my views on the game thus far.. I think I will wait for Conan.
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I've been playing it since Sept and I am buying it.
Yes it is bland, but I am willing to wait and see what they add to the game.
I think that it is well worth $10/month.
Why I'm not purchasing LOTRO:
The usual fantasy based MMO fare or direct WoW imitation? LOTRO's starter area quests have the exact same flavor as WoW's and Vanguard's. The enjoyment of this game centers on combat dynamics, but it is grinding just like the others. Been-there-done-that is the prevailing feeling I'm getting plus I get no special LOTR feelings from the game. If it has something that I would recommend, the classes, attacks, and environment are new/different and each starter area has an instance that pushes the story along and in the human starter area, the instance permanently transforms the landscape. Possibly there are instances scattered throughout the game at the start or end of each zone. But overall it is mostly a static environment.
I am now in the search for something new in MMO's. I know there is Eve, and I played Planetside (which is a team based combat MMO) but I'm hoping that the near- future fantasy based MMOs like Age of Conan will come up with something new and not just be Wow imitators.
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Past MMOs- Planetside, WoW.
Current MMO:
Current Games: L4D, Skyrim
Tried- ATITD, EQ2, SoR, Vanguard,SL,LOTRO,SotNW,SWTOR.
Anticipating- GW2, Planetside2