Outfctrl, if you were one of the founders of a new country, would you make pot illegal? If so, what exactly would be your reasoning and can you keep that reasoning consistant with your other laws? What would you put in place as the punishment for smoking pot?
Ok, you got me here, I wont lie. Personally, I wouldnt make it illegal, but I would want to control it, tax it and sell it just like Liquor and cigarettes. I would put an age limit on it. 21 is a good age, because by then, you have some responsibility.
If, a teen is caught with it, it would be handled as if they were caught with alcohol. People who would sell to teens would go to jail.
Driving under the influence would be a DUI and punished with the laws we have now.
I admit, I used to partake in the pleasures of the wildwood weed, but grew out of it. I was also 21 when I first tried it. Thats the truth. I have driven under the influence of some serious kickass weed and it was just as bad as being drunk or worse. This is not a herb to take lightly. Nowadays, the stuff is allot more powerful.
I ask you all this. If it were legal, who would supply us? Do you think anyone would? There is too much money to be made on the blackmarket. If it was grown in the US, how the hell do you protect the crops from vandals? Armed guards?
Outfcntrl advocating a progressive policy? Now I've seen everything! Who would supply it... well private enterprise of course. You'd keep crops away from the vandals pretty easily... with electified fences. And why would anyone steal marijuana? If it was legal, all you'd have to do was go to the store and spend 5 dollars and get a weeks worth of ganj.
Economically what you are saying makes no sense. If Colombia can sell cocaine LEGALLY to the US government for $700/ ounce, why would they bother peddling cheaper prices to small time dealers?
The black market doesn't have to worry about employee ensurance, management costs, administration, whatever. They have much less costs.
Besides, you ignore my other points.
People will still be addicted, will start consuming more than they can pay for and will get into financial problems as they use more and more over time. People will start sooner and easier with using drugs that have an addictive effect after first use. Thus there will still be crimes linked to drug use, drugs will continue to hit the weakest of society the hardest, reducing their chances of improving their lives even more. But now the latter will be legal. Goody. Why would people use more if it were legal? I don't think legality is the driving force behind most people's drug habits. People use more and more as the effect diminishes over time as they use. Doesn't have anything to do with being legal or not. Tho I thinkmainstream people will use more/more easily as public opinion turns in favor of the drug.
Let's just conclude the legality of a drug should be decided on a drug by drug basis. K? The whole point of this debate was that I don't think it should be on a drug by drug basis. If your strawberry cough is legalized, so should my white girl. Drugs have different effects, different dangers and not all of them are equally harmful or innocent. That's just a fact. Well, obviously our health isn't a concern if alcohol is legal, so where are you going with this? "People get shot anyways, so why not get rid of ambulances, shall we?"
Its a mistake of society to have alcohol be such a publicly accepted drug of choice. Society should correct that. And society should make sure such mistakes aren't made in the future by deciding the legality of a drug according to its properties.
Economically what you are saying makes no sense. If Colombia can sell cocaine LEGALLY to the US government for $700/ ounce, why would they bother peddling cheaper prices to small time dealers?
The black market doesn't have to worry about employee ensurance, management costs, administration, whatever. They have much less costs.
Besides, you ignore my other points.
People will still be addicted, will start consuming more than they can pay for and will get into financial problems as they use more and more over time. People will start sooner and easier with using drugs that have an addictive effect after first use. Thus there will still be crimes linked to drug use, drugs will continue to hit the weakest of society the hardest, reducing their chances of improving their lives even more. But now the latter will be legal. Goody. Why would people use more if it were legal? I don't think legality is the driving force behind most people's drug habits. People use more and more as the effect diminishes over time as they use. Doesn't have anything to do with being legal or not. Tho I thinkmainstream people will use more/more easily as public opinion turns in favor of the drug.
Let's just conclude the legality of a drug should be decided on a drug by drug basis. K? The whole point of this debate was that I don't think it should be on a drug by drug basis. If your strawberry cough is legalized, so should my white girl. Drugs have different effects, different dangers and not all of them are equally harmful or innocent. That's just a fact. Well, obviously our health isn't a concern if alcohol is legal, so where are you going with this? "People get shot anyways, so why not get rid of ambulances, shall we?"
Its a mistake of society to have alcohol be such a publicly accepted drug of choice. Society should correct that. And society should make sure such mistakes aren't made in the future by deciding the legality of a drug according to its properties. Yea, then all the alcoholics like myself will have to buy moonshine on the black market. Like I've said before, the legal status of substances have no effect on their use.
Economically what you are saying makes no sense. If Colombia can sell cocaine LEGALLY to the US government for $700/ ounce, why would they bother peddling cheaper prices to small time dealers?
The black market doesn't have to worry about employee ensurance, management costs, administration, whatever. They have much less costs.
Besides, you ignore my other points.
People will still be addicted, will start consuming more than they can pay for and will get into financial problems as they use more and more over time. People will start sooner and easier with using drugs that have an addictive effect after first use. Thus there will still be crimes linked to drug use, drugs will continue to hit the weakest of society the hardest, reducing their chances of improving their lives even more. But now the latter will be legal. Goody. Why would people use more if it were legal? I don't think legality is the driving force behind most people's drug habits. People use more and more as the effect diminishes over time as they use. Doesn't have anything to do with being legal or not. Tho I thinkmainstream people will use more/more easily as public opinion turns in favor of the drug.
Let's just conclude the legality of a drug should be decided on a drug by drug basis. K? The whole point of this debate was that I don't think it should be on a drug by drug basis. If your strawberry cough is legalized, so should my white girl. Drugs have different effects, different dangers and not all of them are equally harmful or innocent. That's just a fact. Well, obviously our health isn't a concern if alcohol is legal, so where are you going with this? "People get shot anyways, so why not get rid of ambulances, shall we?"
Its a mistake of society to have alcohol be such a publicly accepted drug of choice. Society should correct that. And society should make sure such mistakes aren't made in the future by deciding the legality of a drug according to its properties. Yea, then all the alcoholics like myself will have to buy moonshine on the black market. Like I've said before, the legal status of substances have no effect on their use. I'm afraid it will take a long time to get rid of alcohol as such a widely accepted drug. Education will have to make sure it gets the image it deserves. This will take more than a few decades.
Together with the legal status of a drug there should be an appropriate policy to make sure that as few people as possible get addicted. This by making sure they won't get in contact with the drug, if they do they shouldn't continue to use it and if they get addicted they should get help to get rid of it.
That would beat a situation in which every drug (thousands) would be freely available to be researched, exploited and sold to anyone above 21 by any company. Drugs would be so widely accepted that they would become impossible to regulate up to a point where any age has its own drug of choice... The black market would prove to be an excellent advesrary of the private market and anti crime legislation will be more violent than ever due to pressure of major companies.
I'm not even going to explain what massive damage this would do to just about everyone.
A friend of mine died from a drug overdose a few years ago.
The current law didn't prevent him from getting hold of the drugs and didn't prevent him from starting using the drugs.
The current law did discourage him from seeking the help that he admitted he needed.
The current law helped to turn him into a paranoid mess after (from an anonymous tip-off) a dozen officers raided his house in the early morning, smashing down his door, ransacking his possessions and roughing him up a bit (finding nothing). He was never the same again.
The current law did contribute to his last and fatal use being unclean and of undetermined strength. Ironically he had kicked the drug he was addicted to at that point and had become an alcoholic to try to replace that dependancy with something legal. The alcohol probably messed him up even more than the illegal drug did.
The current law can do more harm than good.
I see no benefit in punishing users and defining them as criminals. There should be programmes with licenced clinics being able to administer addictive drugs in a controlled, non-judgemental and legal environment, allowing the user to get the help needed to gradually reduce the amount needed for a daly fix. Resources currently being spent on chasing and prosecuting users would be far better spent on rehabilitation and education.
A friend of mine died from a drug overdose a few years ago. The current law didn't prevent him from getting hold of the drugs and didn't prevent him from starting using the drugs. The current law did discourage him from seeking the help that he admitted he needed. The current law helped to turn him into a paranoid mess after (from an anonymous tip-off) a dozen officers raided his house in the early morning, smashing down his door, ransacking his possessions and roughing him up a bit (finding nothing). He was never the same again. The current law did contribute to his last and fatal use being unclean and of undetermined strength. Ironically he had kicked the drug he was addicted to at that point and had become an alcoholic to try to replace that dependancy with something legal. The alcohol probably messed him up even more than the illegal drug did. The current law can do more harm than good. I see no benefit in punishing users and defining them as criminals. There should be programmes with licenced clinics being able to administer addictive drugs in a controlled, non-judgemental and legal environment, allowing the user to get the help needed to gradually reduce the amount needed for a daly fix. Resources currently being spent on chasing and prosecuting users would be far better spent on rehabilitation and education.
Your post makes too much sense. Legalize pot but nothing else!
I've had friends die of Heroin OD and could care less about legalizing heroin. Want to know why? They od'ed because they did not have parents who gave two shits about them, the heroin abuse was secondary to that.
People abuse drugs because their lives are screwed up, not because drugs screwed up their lives. But logic goes against political nonsense so...
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Too many quotes and what-not to sort through them, so here's my take on what I've seen thus far...
Alcohol is harmful to us and it is legalized. I don't understand how that's supposed to justify legalizing a whole nother arsenal of drugs that are also harmful. The idea is to minimize danger to the people, not make it more plentiful. The only reason alcohol is still legal is for the same reason we're not all running off geothermal and solar power - infastructure is engraved too far into our lives and economy to simply change it over night. There's already a lot of college sport facilites that do not sell alcohol on the premises, and some proffesional sports teams are considering making the change due to how much better the crowds at these college games have been behaving. 5 MLB stadiums have ruled no smoking anywhere on the property, us cig smokers are on the defensive right now, but alcohol users will be the next in line. Legalizing more drugs is not going to happen because they're just going to have to be campaigned against again once they get out of control.
Aside from all that, no one, not one person here, is going to convince me that the number of vehicle accident fatalities won't sky rocket in the US with the addition these drugs' legalization - I'm already paranoid behind the wheel as it is.
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I see no benefit in punishing users and defining them as criminals. There should be programmes with licenced clinics being able to administer addictive drugs in a controlled, non-judgemental and legal environment, allowing the user to get the help needed to gradually reduce the amount needed for a daly fix. Resources currently being spent on chasing and prosecuting users would be far better spent on rehabilitation and education.
So true.
Originally posted by PyscoJuggalo
I've had friends die of Heroin OD and could care less about legalizing heroin. Want to know why? They od'ed because they did not have parents who gave two shits about them, the heroin abuse was secondary to that.
People abuse drugs because their lives are screwed up, not because drugs screwed up their lives. But logic goes against political nonsense so...
Best post of the whole thread. Of the whole week! Couldn't have said it better!!!!
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Ok, you got me here, I wont lie. Personally, I wouldnt make it illegal, but I would want to control it, tax it and sell it just like Liquor and cigarettes. I would put an age limit on it. 21 is a good age, because by then, you have some responsibility.
If, a teen is caught with it, it would be handled as if they were caught with alcohol. People who would sell to teens would go to jail.
Driving under the influence would be a DUI and punished with the laws we have now.
I admit, I used to partake in the pleasures of the wildwood weed, but grew out of it. I was also 21 when I first tried it. Thats the truth. I have driven under the influence of some serious kickass weed and it was just as bad as being drunk or worse. This is not a herb to take lightly. Nowadays, the stuff is allot more powerful.
I ask you all this. If it were legal, who would supply us? Do you think anyone would? There is too much money to be made on the blackmarket. If it was grown in the US, how the hell do you protect the crops from vandals? Armed guards?
Outfcntrl advocating a progressive policy? Now I've seen everything! Who would supply it... well private enterprise of course. You'd keep crops away from the vandals pretty easily... with electified fences. And why would anyone steal marijuana? If it was legal, all you'd have to do was go to the store and spend 5 dollars and get a weeks worth of ganj.Besides, you ignore my other points.
People will still be addicted, will start consuming more than they can pay for and will get into financial problems as they use more and more over time. People will start sooner and easier with using drugs that have an addictive effect after first use. Thus there will still be crimes linked to drug use, drugs will continue to hit the weakest of society the hardest, reducing their chances of improving their lives even more. But now the latter will be legal. Goody. Why would people use more if it were legal? I don't think legality is the driving force behind most people's drug habits. People use more and more as the effect diminishes over time as they use. Doesn't have anything to do with being legal or not. Tho I thinkmainstream people will use more/more easily as public opinion turns in favor of the drug.
Let's just conclude the legality of a drug should be decided on a drug by drug basis. K? The whole point of this debate was that I don't think it should be on a drug by drug basis. If your strawberry cough is legalized, so should my white girl. Drugs have different effects, different dangers and not all of them are equally harmful or innocent. That's just a fact. Well, obviously our health isn't a concern if alcohol is legal, so where are you going with this? "People get shot anyways, so why not get rid of ambulances, shall we?"
Its a mistake of society to have alcohol be such a publicly accepted drug of choice. Society should correct that. And society should make sure such mistakes aren't made in the future by deciding the legality of a drug according to its properties.
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Besides, you ignore my other points.
People will still be addicted, will start consuming more than they can pay for and will get into financial problems as they use more and more over time. People will start sooner and easier with using drugs that have an addictive effect after first use. Thus there will still be crimes linked to drug use, drugs will continue to hit the weakest of society the hardest, reducing their chances of improving their lives even more. But now the latter will be legal. Goody. Why would people use more if it were legal? I don't think legality is the driving force behind most people's drug habits. People use more and more as the effect diminishes over time as they use. Doesn't have anything to do with being legal or not. Tho I thinkmainstream people will use more/more easily as public opinion turns in favor of the drug.
Let's just conclude the legality of a drug should be decided on a drug by drug basis. K? The whole point of this debate was that I don't think it should be on a drug by drug basis. If your strawberry cough is legalized, so should my white girl. Drugs have different effects, different dangers and not all of them are equally harmful or innocent. That's just a fact. Well, obviously our health isn't a concern if alcohol is legal, so where are you going with this? "People get shot anyways, so why not get rid of ambulances, shall we?"
Its a mistake of society to have alcohol be such a publicly accepted drug of choice. Society should correct that. And society should make sure such mistakes aren't made in the future by deciding the legality of a drug according to its properties. Yea, then all the alcoholics like myself will have to buy moonshine on the black market. Like I've said before, the legal status of substances have no effect on their use.
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Besides, you ignore my other points.
People will still be addicted, will start consuming more than they can pay for and will get into financial problems as they use more and more over time. People will start sooner and easier with using drugs that have an addictive effect after first use. Thus there will still be crimes linked to drug use, drugs will continue to hit the weakest of society the hardest, reducing their chances of improving their lives even more. But now the latter will be legal. Goody. Why would people use more if it were legal? I don't think legality is the driving force behind most people's drug habits. People use more and more as the effect diminishes over time as they use. Doesn't have anything to do with being legal or not. Tho I thinkmainstream people will use more/more easily as public opinion turns in favor of the drug.
Let's just conclude the legality of a drug should be decided on a drug by drug basis. K? The whole point of this debate was that I don't think it should be on a drug by drug basis. If your strawberry cough is legalized, so should my white girl. Drugs have different effects, different dangers and not all of them are equally harmful or innocent. That's just a fact. Well, obviously our health isn't a concern if alcohol is legal, so where are you going with this? "People get shot anyways, so why not get rid of ambulances, shall we?"
Its a mistake of society to have alcohol be such a publicly accepted drug of choice. Society should correct that. And society should make sure such mistakes aren't made in the future by deciding the legality of a drug according to its properties. Yea, then all the alcoholics like myself will have to buy moonshine on the black market. Like I've said before, the legal status of substances have no effect on their use. I'm afraid it will take a long time to get rid of alcohol as such a widely accepted drug. Education will have to make sure it gets the image it deserves. This will take more than a few decades.
Together with the legal status of a drug there should be an appropriate policy to make sure that as few people as possible get addicted. This by making sure they won't get in contact with the drug, if they do they shouldn't continue to use it and if they get addicted they should get help to get rid of it.
That would beat a situation in which every drug (thousands) would be freely available to be researched, exploited and sold to anyone above 21 by any company. Drugs would be so widely accepted that they would become impossible to regulate up to a point where any age has its own drug of choice... The black market would prove to be an excellent advesrary of the private market and anti crime legislation will be more violent than ever due to pressure of major companies.
I'm not even going to explain what massive damage this would do to just about everyone.
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A friend of mine died from a drug overdose a few years ago.
The current law didn't prevent him from getting hold of the drugs and didn't prevent him from starting using the drugs.
The current law did discourage him from seeking the help that he admitted he needed.
The current law helped to turn him into a paranoid mess after (from an anonymous tip-off) a dozen officers raided his house in the early morning, smashing down his door, ransacking his possessions and roughing him up a bit (finding nothing). He was never the same again.
The current law did contribute to his last and fatal use being unclean and of undetermined strength. Ironically he had kicked the drug he was addicted to at that point and had become an alcoholic to try to replace that dependancy with something legal. The alcohol probably messed him up even more than the illegal drug did.
The current law can do more harm than good.
I see no benefit in punishing users and defining them as criminals. There should be programmes with licenced clinics being able to administer addictive drugs in a controlled, non-judgemental and legal environment, allowing the user to get the help needed to gradually reduce the amount needed for a daly fix. Resources currently being spent on chasing and prosecuting users would be far better spent on rehabilitation and education.
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People abuse drugs because their lives are screwed up, not because drugs screwed up their lives. But logic goes against political nonsense so...
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
Too many quotes and what-not to sort through them, so here's my take on what I've seen thus far...
Alcohol is harmful to us and it is legalized. I don't understand how that's supposed to justify legalizing a whole nother arsenal of drugs that are also harmful. The idea is to minimize danger to the people, not make it more plentiful. The only reason alcohol is still legal is for the same reason we're not all running off geothermal and solar power - infastructure is engraved too far into our lives and economy to simply change it over night. There's already a lot of college sport facilites that do not sell alcohol on the premises, and some proffesional sports teams are considering making the change due to how much better the crowds at these college games have been behaving. 5 MLB stadiums have ruled no smoking anywhere on the property, us cig smokers are on the defensive right now, but alcohol users will be the next in line. Legalizing more drugs is not going to happen because they're just going to have to be campaigned against again once they get out of control.
Aside from all that, no one, not one person here, is going to convince me that the number of vehicle accident fatalities won't sky rocket in the US with the addition these drugs' legalization - I'm already paranoid behind the wheel as it is.
What greater tribute to free will than the power to question the highest of authority? What greater display of loyalty than blind faith? What greater gift than free will? What greater love than loyalty?
Best post of the whole thread. Of the whole week! Couldn't have said it better!!!!
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I've had loads of friends die on heroin who's parents did give a shit about them.
I've even had the odd one OD who's life wasn't a screw up.
Skag.