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WoW - The Great Fall
higgsboson
Member Posts: 296
Here are the reasons I'm giving for its colossal flop. These are WoW fanboy's worse nightmare.
Here it goes: l33526aafs4053j43s5rhn40237ngNow decode this.
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In my opinion I think WoW will flop, but since I haven't played the game, my flop can't hold true until I see for myself. Just my opinion, too many fanboys on top of that as well.
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If WoW is a person it would be saying: Ouch.
I can't agree with what higs has to say because WoW is still in Closed Beta and months from release. Furthermore the person who wrote this stated Lineage 2 as the best mmorpg ever. So I'll leave the threads originator opinion alone, as time will tell.
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The resting aspect will probably change very soon as Eno stated. Also the resting function was implemented to get rid of long spawn lines. I totaly agree on this aspect as waiting to kill something is base and stupid - how the idea got through phase 1 no one knows. Though it might have stemmed from the lack of population to stress the spawn rate.
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The ppl. who have already come to the conclusion that WoW will flop are just ignorant asshats. WoW just started beta testing, and in no way does it reflect the final game. Hell, the game now is more polished than most games that have been retail for a year.
Stop the hating.
You talk about the pvp as if it's done. Nation vs. Nation pvp has only just begun.
Well,
For very differents reasons I tend to think that WoW will be off the mark, but argumentation is always good. I dont intend to play it for now, but who know.
1) High end content will be the life of 10% of the account currently subscribed. No more, of course, there need to be some high end content, but making it the focus of a game would be a mistake, most of your players wont be there. It sound more to me like the High end content either dont exist YET or that it dont please you. High end dont mean anything but: High challenge for players. It dont mean anything else. High end content dont need to be finalised at the moment of releasing, AUGUST 30 for now, which is still pretty far from now. Myself would focus on the so called: *high end content*, as long as it is not centered around raiding, which is a commonly made mistake to think that raiding is the only and best high end content, it is the most lazy way, but by no mean better then the others.
3) Casual players is the main stream of revenues from those games. They are the main commonbase, to focus around them just seem a very well thinked marketing strategy, as long as they dont alienate all the *hardcores* and keep enought of them to give a sense of worthiness to the game, they do fine...of course pleasing as much players is what they want, and the casuals is the main customer. As a hardcore player it dont bother me, a game that want to keep me will find a way or another to keep me busy, with hard challenge or endless farming with noobs casuals players in my groups, whatever, they pick, I dont mind much, but a mixt of both is most likely better, I love to group with noobs casuals and enjoy the game most of the time, hard challenging stuff need to be obtain and overcome eventually, so folks dont do that non-stop IMHO. It is not natural to do highly challenging things 80h a week, anyway, I never see challenging stuff for more then a few hundreds hours in any game, in a case of a MMORPG that you play over many years, that is a fraction.
5) I doubt that they will maintain any dumb waiting features, they are trying many and they are sensibles and they know player wanna PLAY, not wait. The fact atm there is a spawn time to wait for dont mean they wont change it. There need to be downtime, but those need to come from players more then from the game limits, I dont know how a system can be worked, but some downtime here and there is welcome by the average player, med, talking, whatever, just not to much of it, players wanna play, they want some challenges from time to time, but most of the time, they want a comforting game system. Althought it was very unpopular for many reasons, the AE hunting system in groups have many answers on those issues and I dont care to explain them here.
6) Farming and grinding is what RPG are. Why would someone want to improve skills, levels, gears and anything else if it was not grinding edges over edges over edges over edges. I think you either dont like this form of grinding or find it to tedious, I dont know. But someone that love a RPG love grinding(unless they are 100% pure roleplayers, in which case I doubt they would play a game on computers much). Unless you are a *strategist* and play the RPG for the challenge in it, but even them *strategists* CAN love the grinding and assimilate it as a new complexity to take into account.
7) Yes, many issues with WoW, like with any other MMORPG. But who said it was going to be easy. I tend to think that they will lose many of their Blizzard fans over the raiding aspect of the game, I doubt very much that the average Diablo, Warcraft, Starcraft players will love the political in fighting and all the raiding aspect. IMHO, the average Blizzard player is a soloer or a small groupers and very casual OR a 100% addicted harcore person that still love solo or grouping. Again, I think most of their players want a game focused around a FEW players all the time, from the start to the highest end of the game. I am not a Blizzard fan althought, and I might read from them what I desire to read...
Surprisingly, all the modern MMORPGs around focused on PvP, Raiding or Tradeskilling. Maybe I am dumb, but I would have think someone would be focused around Soloing or Grouping(FF XI speak of community and all, I didnt check, I am pretty sure they are around raiding again been worked by SoE office, yet, I can be wrong and they might really be around grouping, but I dont trust them, and the fact some peoples say they are focused on groups(while been putting the grouping submissive to the raiding aspect of the game) wont be new with EQ)!
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Good Call here.
Nothing can be said about WoW, since nothing is yet final.
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Achievers realise that killers as a concept are necessary in order to make achievement meaningful and worthwhile (there being no way to "lose" the game if any fool can "win" just by plodding slowly unchallenged). -bartle
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Nice straw-man argument. Take a bunch of detail-free bullshit and throw it against the wall. Especially #7, well done.
a) Graphics are completely subjective. I like them, and I am a graphics freak. They are abstract, not realist, which is exactly what they were going for. Obviously this isnt a problem since everybody and their dog has been exposed to them and the game has huge anticipation. Same with PvP, everyone knows about it, but the anticipation is still there.
b) Character selection, down-time, the resting system, and especially the end-game are not viable targets for "flopping" at the beta stage. They are highly adjustable.
c) #3 ? WTF ? Could you try making a cohesive argument please? I am not a Blizzard fanboy. I make plenty of disposable income to blow on mmorgs. I am not really a hardcore gamer. There are plenty like me.
So. . don't like the game ? Are you in beta? You are certainly implying that you are. . . Make a better argument.
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Bwwahahahahaa. . . Jeezuz I can't believe I bothered to make a logical argument, I should have read this first. Sorry bout the double post. . .
"And by the way, did anyone ever tell you that you look exactly like Garfield but run over and skinned and then someone threw an ugly Ferragamo sweater over you before they rushed you to the vet ?. . ."
- Brett Easton Ellis, American Psycho
"I can tell you with no ego, this is my finest sword. If, on your journey, you should encounter God. . .
. . . God will be cut." - Quentin Tarantino, Kill Bill
EQII
Requiiem, Templar
Neriak
WOW is still in close beta. You haven't get a chance to play it yet Higgsboson. I'm guessing that you may be a fan of Lineage2 and hate all the negative post about it, so you believe you can come out and flame a game you haven't play and know very little about. This is just very childish thing to do. Not that I'm saying that WOW will be the best or the worst mmorpg, but please do not judge a game until you get to play it. Maybe you might not even want to try it since you hate it so much, just don't say anything; it'll make you look like a fool.
This thread is all well and good but....
WoW is gonna OWN
Hi!
Don't assume how a game is gonna flop.....Just wait til its gone gold then see if it really flops or not.
And if u wanna make comments on a game....make sure u played the game for quite some time b4 assuming this and that.
1) End game isn't even in beta yet, so how do you know?
2) I like the graphic, it's kinda cartoonish/animated, the atmosphere is great, I heared:)
3) I don't like the rest thingy, but other than that I think this game can fit for both casual and power gamers
4) Can you please Elaborate anyway? PvP system not in beta yet, so noone know how it works...
5) You have to wait in most MMOG, or be an ass and KS someone, in WoW you can get your own instance of some dungeons tho, so you don't have to wait and boss never dead when you get there
6) You get alot of xp from quest reward, so the actual kill mob over and over grind can be avoided.
7) I can't list alot now, but I think there will be stuff in WoW that I hate, just as in all other MMOGs that I have played so far, can just hope there are alot of good things that I like too:)
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Honestly WoW seems like it would be interesting, but I've heard a few bad stories so far from the beta. When it comes out of beta and we see the complete finished product I'll have more understanding to the game and will be able to judge the game alot better than I could now. I do want to see it flop though because of certain reasons though. Mainly because of the fact WoW has being in the works for years now and has being pushed back several times which drove me away from testing the beta and even considering the game awhile back.
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Firstly "2) The graphics sux really bad. Blockish, poorly designed characters, you name it. Cartoonish art? Hardly Convincing. Choice of race and their class diversity is largely limited. " Sucks? Are you blind? If you say the graphics sucks, you should really go play ultimate online, runescape , even everquest ( sorry if i offended any EQ fans ) WoW has one of the nicest graphics now.
Secondly "4) WoW's PvP system is gaayish at the finest. I don't think I need to elaborate on that. Everyone know about it." Firstly, are you playing the private server? If yes, then you should fk off becoz that's the only server that has PvP.
"5) Waiting - The worst scene I've seen is people stuck in a line waiting for monster to spawn." - again, from the private servers , because that's what people do in there, wait for the damn mobs to spawn. So you shld fk urself again..
" 6) Grind - Exact EQ typo. WoW should be called "World of Everquest Remnant" " - That's total nonsense, have you played the beta? Or are you still in your dreamland?