World of Warcraft actually also has many quests that continue the story. Its just that nobody reads them because there are so damn many quests, of which many do not progress the story. Also, WoW is not one main story, but rather split up in diffrent stories. area's have a story of their own, such as every starter area, The story of Ragefire chasm, the story of Westfal, just to name a few.
Even if Lotro breaks the 1 million barrier, then I still wouldn't be convinced that WAR would do better. Lotro franchise is of an entire diffrent league then warhammer.
Or better yet just get rid of PvP. I play games for fun and relaxation not so some 8 yr old or some guy who lives in his mom's basement who has dedicated his life to the character or spend ubsured amounts of money on one can run around and kil me interfering with my questiing and camping me just to be an asshat.
World of Warcraft actually also has many quests that continue the story. Its just that nobody reads them because there are so damn many quests, of which many do not progress the story. Also, WoW is not one main story, but rather split up in diffrent stories. area's have a story of their own, such as every starter area, The story of Ragefire chasm, the story of Westfal, just to name a few.
Even if Lotro breaks the 1 million barrier, then I still wouldn't be convinced that WAR would do better. Lotro franchise is of an entire diffrent league then warhammer.
But they don't actually progess anything Gameloading not on WoW. For instance the starter quests on LOTRO when you finish the human starting area archet is destroyed and looks that way for the rest of the time. That is a good example of actually continueing the story.
In wow yes the quests tell you about a story but if you go back to the guy later it hasn't made any change what so ever. He is still standing there waiting for the next person to do the quest for him.
That is why I personally can not wait for BioWare's MMO. I think they will finally get it right and make a game where each and every person feels like they are actually part of the overall story of the world. They will also make the game story driven and each person will feel like the hero.
That is part of what I hate about the current crop of MMOs. How can you as an individual or even as a group feel like the hero of the story if everyone around you is doing the same thing, and when you are all done it just needs to be done over and over again.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Or better yet just get rid of PvP. I play games for fun and relaxation not so some 8 yr old or some guy who lives in his mom's basement who has dedicated his life to the character or spend ubsured amounts of money on one can run around and kil me interfering with my questiing and camping me just to be an asshat.
Explain to me the fascination of running around and being an asshat and one shoting somone. It does not take kill. PVP is about spec and gear that is it. Your "Skill" does nto come into play no matter how much you want it to. I see peole jump around in WOw like freaking frogs. Guess what other than looking stupid it does not do anything I can still auto hit you anyway. If it is the joy of infuriationg somone then you are a complete asshat and I can not stand idiots like that anyway.
I've been seeing a lot of posts saying how LoTRo is a WoW ripoff and that very well might be true, I have only played for about 10 minutes, and I did get a very strong sense that it is a WoW clone. I'm curious as to what is actually different from WoW in LoTRo. WoW is a decent game, if this game is like WoW but incorporates better ideas I might get a subscription.
and wow is an eq clone. while "warcraft" is based off of warhammer...
so what's your point? it's not like wow is ORIGINAL.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I'll say this much, and please keep in mind that this is my personal opinion, LOTRO is a cheap version of WoW gameplay-wise. The combat in LOTRO is a snoozefest when compared to WoW. Granted that WoW's combat mechanics are not the best in the world but they are fun when compared to this game. LOTRO looks like a cheap imitation of WoW in that aspect. The quests don't seem as important as they do in WoW. I've played the game since the first beta and I went back to WoW because there is absolutely nothing that reminded me of the Tolkien's world in LOTRO besides the names and the locations. I guess that it was kind of fun to see the various locations written of in the books but otherwise, there is nothing else. Stale quests, crappy character animations and boring combat.
When I read Tolkien's books, I felt a sense of conflict between good and evil. There is nothing like that in the game. The only conflict you will see is killing various animals and monsters that aimlessly walk back and forth on the world map and that player vs. player controlled monster thing that was tried in EQ a long time ago and did not work. There is not Good vs. Evil in this game. Just you vs. the mobs.
Imo, World of Warcraft is superior to Lord of the Rings Online. In the PVE area, they are pretty much the same, except that World of Warcraft offers A LOT bigger world and much more content. Lotro's "PVP" is junk. Its an original idea, but it doesn't work. its rediculous, and its absolutely nothing compared to the PVP options WoW offers, especialy in the Burning Crusade. There is one thing that Lotro leaves WoW behind (If you ignore the system specs) and thats graphics. Lotro can show some pretty darn amazing graphics. the story explained in the quests is also decent, as well as the instanced storyline missions.
I don't agree, LOTRO pvp is very well done and very diferent, it's a blast, all they need in future is open more areas for it.
About content you very very wrong, LOTRO has already 2000 quests, and the craft is FAR superior to WOW, dunno if WOW has 2k quests now but i remember they started with 1000.
If your already playing WoW and your not bored of it yet, don't bother switching. Lotro doesn't offer anything WoW doesn't offer. Turbine tried something new with D&DO, but its obvious the game is not as successful as they would have hoped it to be, while WoW kept growing more and more. So, Turbine took the safe way. If you can't beat them, join them.
You wrong again LOTRO is a complete new and diferente game and about WOW keep growing is exactly the oposite people very bored with TBC and already leaving, half of the wow servers on europe and NA are empty.
I could search for more threads on WOW forums there's plenty of them, many people bored and leaving.
really, Imho, Lord of the Rings Online is a decent game, but its a shameless World of Warcraft rip-off. Now, I'm sure some lotro fan can't wait to jump up and point me that WoW is actually a clone itself from Everquest. Very true, but I believe every mmorpg has its special traits. for example, ArchLord is very similiar to Lineage 2, but it still has its own, unique traits. but I don't see that when comparing Lotro and WoW. I don't see anything special (maybe apart from monster play, but I don't really see that as a great feature) that Lotro does diffrent then WoW.
WOW rip-off? where you have been? remember a game called ac2? Most things WOW have are a rip-off of ac2, ac1 and EQ.
So since ac2 was a turbine game and WOW even the UI copied from there, how's LOTRO is a WOW rippoff?
I'll say this much, and please keep in mind that this is my personal opinion, LOTRO is a cheap version of WoW gameplay-wise. The combat in LOTRO is a snoozefest when compared to WoW. Granted that WoW's combat mechanics are not the best in the world but they are fun when compared to this game. LOTRO looks like a cheap imitation of WoW in that aspect. The quests don't seem as important as they do in WoW. I've played the game since the first beta and I went back to WoW because there is absolutely nothing that reminded me of the Tolkien's world in LOTRO besides the names and the locations. I guess that it was kind of fun to see the various locations written of in the books but otherwise, there is nothing else. Stale quests, crappy character animations and boring combat. When I read Tolkien's books, I felt a sense of conflict between good and evil. There is nothing like that in the game. The only conflict you will see is killing various animals and monsters that aimlessly walk back and forth on the world map and that player vs. player controlled monster thing that was tried in EQ a long time ago and did not work. There is not Good vs. Evil in this game. Just you vs. the mobs.
I just don't get people's complaints about the whole good vs evil thing. It is the same thing in every single MMO. All of them are just you vs the mobs. At least in LOTRO the Epic quest makes me feel involved with the world. I can't see how anyone can say the quests feel more important in WoW. WoW's quests don't have any effect on anything in the world.
I just don't understand. In many cases I think some people are just WoW "Fanboys" and are blinded by that fact. WoW was a fun game but it isn't anything special. Especially in the quests. Where WoW excels is in their raids, but quests and pvp are severly lacking imo.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
I'll say this much, and please keep in mind that this is my personal opinion, LOTRO is a cheap version of WoW gameplay-wise. The combat in LOTRO is a snoozefest when compared to WoW. Granted that WoW's combat mechanics are not the best in the world but they are fun when compared to this game. LOTRO looks like a cheap imitation of WoW in that aspect. The quests don't seem as important as they do in WoW. I've played the game since the first beta and I went back to WoW because there is absolutely nothing that reminded me of the Tolkien's world in LOTRO besides the names and the locations. I guess that it was kind of fun to see the various locations written of in the books but otherwise, there is nothing else. Stale quests, crappy character animations and boring combat. When I read Tolkien's books, I felt a sense of conflict between good and evil. There is nothing like that in the game. The only conflict you will see is killing various animals and monsters that aimlessly walk back and forth on the world map and that player vs. player controlled monster thing that was tried in EQ a long time ago and did not work. There is not Good vs. Evil in this game. Just you vs. the mobs.
I just don't get people's complaints about the whole good vs evil thing. It is the same thing in every single MMO. All of them are just you vs the mobs. At least in LOTRO the Epic quest makes me feel involved with the world. I can't see how anyone can say the quests feel more important in WoW. WoW's quests don't have any effect on anything in the world.
I just don't understand. In many cases I think some people are just WoW "Fanboys" and are blinded by that fact. WoW was a fun game but it isn't anything special. Especially in the quests. Where WoW excels is in their raids, but quests and pvp are severly lacking imo.
The problem here with WOW fanbois is this, WOW is losing people because of TBC... they waited 2 years for a crap xpack, and when they see a game like lotro having 600k pre orders and inviting over a million people for Open Beta they get scared that their game start losing more people.
I'll say this much, and please keep in mind that this is my personal opinion, LOTRO is a cheap version of WoW gameplay-wise. The combat in LOTRO is a snoozefest when compared to WoW. Granted that WoW's combat mechanics are not the best in the world but they are fun when compared to this game. LOTRO looks like a cheap imitation of WoW in that aspect. The quests don't seem as important as they do in WoW. I've played the game since the first beta and I went back to WoW because there is absolutely nothing that reminded me of the Tolkien's world in LOTRO besides the names and the locations. I guess that it was kind of fun to see the various locations written of in the books but otherwise, there is nothing else. Stale quests, crappy character animations and boring combat. When I read Tolkien's books, I felt a sense of conflict between good and evil. There is nothing like that in the game. The only conflict you will see is killing various animals and monsters that aimlessly walk back and forth on the world map and that player vs. player controlled monster thing that was tried in EQ a long time ago and did not work. There is not Good vs. Evil in this game. Just you vs. the mobs.
I just don't get people's complaints about the whole good vs evil thing. It is the same thing in every single MMO. All of them are just you vs the mobs. At least in LOTRO the Epic quest makes me feel involved with the world. I can't see how anyone can say the quests feel more important in WoW. WoW's quests don't have any effect on anything in the world.
I just don't understand. In many cases I think some people are just WoW "Fanboys" and are blinded by that fact. WoW was a fun game but it isn't anything special. Especially in the quests. Where WoW excels is in their raids, but quests and pvp are severly lacking imo.
I think that most of us who "complain" about Good vs. Evil are the people who thought that a game based on Tolkien's work would be much more epic than a stale WoW clone. I'm not a WoW fanboy but I would rather play WoW than LOTRO.
As for thos epic quests in LOTRO, there is nothing epic about them. They are just regular quests that do not change anything about the game, the only difference is that they might include some character's from the books. Being that they are instanced and do not have any effect on the world, there is nothing epic about them. I can do the same in WoW, at least the combat aspect will be more fun.
As for WoW lacking in PvP, I'll say this: at least WoW has PvP. Playing on a PvP server, I can actually kill other players. In WoW I can actually gear and spec my character to be good at PvP, where as in LOTRO you get what? Player vs. Player controlled monsters? Whoopty freaking doo. That's not PvP, that's a minigame. Based on the books that involve conflict, there is a complete void in the game when it comes to that aspect. Granted, WoW's PvP is lacking but it is much better than LOTRO's PvP, or lack there of.
I'll say this much, and please keep in mind that this is my personal opinion, LOTRO is a cheap version of WoW gameplay-wise. The combat in LOTRO is a snoozefest when compared to WoW. Granted that WoW's combat mechanics are not the best in the world but they are fun when compared to this game. LOTRO looks like a cheap imitation of WoW in that aspect. The quests don't seem as important as they do in WoW. I've played the game since the first beta and I went back to WoW because there is absolutely nothing that reminded me of the Tolkien's world in LOTRO besides the names and the locations. I guess that it was kind of fun to see the various locations written of in the books but otherwise, there is nothing else. Stale quests, crappy character animations and boring combat. When I read Tolkien's books, I felt a sense of conflict between good and evil. There is nothing like that in the game. The only conflict you will see is killing various animals and monsters that aimlessly walk back and forth on the world map and that player vs. player controlled monster thing that was tried in EQ a long time ago and did not work. There is not Good vs. Evil in this game. Just you vs. the mobs.
I just don't get people's complaints about the whole good vs evil thing. It is the same thing in every single MMO. All of them are just you vs the mobs. At least in LOTRO the Epic quest makes me feel involved with the world. I can't see how anyone can say the quests feel more important in WoW. WoW's quests don't have any effect on anything in the world.
I just don't understand. In many cases I think some people are just WoW "Fanboys" and are blinded by that fact. WoW was a fun game but it isn't anything special. Especially in the quests. Where WoW excels is in their raids, but quests and pvp are severly lacking imo.
I think that most of us who "complain" about Good vs. Evil are the people who thought that a game based on Tolkien's work would be much more epic than a stale WoW clone. I'm not a WoW fanboy but I would rather play WoW than LOTRO.
As for thos epic quests in LOTRO, there is nothing epic about them. They are just regular quests that do not change anything about the game, the only difference is that they might include some character's from the books. Being that they are instanced and do not have any effect on the world, there is nothing epic about them. I can do the same in WoW, at least the combat aspect will be more fun.
As for WoW lacking in PvP, I'll say this: at least WoW has PvP. Playing on a PvP server, I can actually kill other players. In WoW I can actually gear and spec my character to be good at PvP, where as in LOTRO you get what? Player vs. Player controlled monsters? Whoopty freaking doo. That's not PvP, that's a minigame. Based on the books that involve conflict, there is a complete void in the game when it comes to that aspect. Granted, WoW's PvP is lacking but it is much better than LOTRO's PvP, or lack there of.
There is no lack of PVP in LOTRO. Lets get that out of the way. There is Player controlled characters fighting other player controlled characters. So there is PVP. Whether you like their system or not. It is an absolute lie to say there is no PVP in the game.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Imo, World of Warcraft is superior to Lord of the Rings Online. In the PVE area, they are pretty much the same, except that World of Warcraft offers A LOT bigger world and much more content. Lotro's "PVP" is junk. Its an original idea, but it doesn't work. its rediculous, and its absolutely nothing compared to the PVP options WoW offers, especialy in the Burning Crusade. There is one thing that Lotro leaves WoW behind (If you ignore the system specs) and thats graphics. Lotro can show some pretty darn amazing graphics. the story explained in the quests is also decent, as well as the instanced storyline missions.
I don't agree, LOTRO pvp is very well done and very diferent, it's a blast, all they need in future is open more areas for it.
That is your opinion.
About content you very very wrong, LOTRO has already 2000 quests, and the craft is FAR superior to WOW, dunno if WOW has 2k quests now but i remember they started with 1000.
I don't know the current quest amount of either WoW or Lotro, but from my experience, WoW has much more areas, and each of those areas are filled with quests. that goes for Lotro as well, but LOTRO world is MUCH smaller, hence I came to the conclussion Lotro has much less content then WoW does. True, one could argue that Lotro has only been released just now, but WoW + TBC and Lotro are equal in price.
If your already playing WoW and your not bored of it yet, don't bother switching. Lotro doesn't offer anything WoW doesn't offer. Turbine tried something new with D&DO, but its obvious the game is not as successful as they would have hoped it to be, while WoW kept growing more and more. So, Turbine took the safe way. If you can't beat them, join them.
You wrong again LOTRO is a complete new and diferente game and about WOW keep growing is exactly the oposite people very bored with TBC and already leaving, half of the wow servers on europe and NA are empty.
I could search for more threads on WOW forums there's plenty of them, many people bored and leaving.
Your wrong on two points here.
1: Over the last 2 months, WoW has grown from 8 million subscribers to 8, 5 million subscrbers. this is fact, you can't debate it. sure you can point to all those "I'm leaving!" threads. count all the people who post that. you might get to 100 or 200 people, and then I'm being generous. that is still only 0,01% of the total community.
2: a low server does not mean it is lacking people. It low COMPARED to the full servers.
I'll explain
Server 1 has 800 people online
Server 2 has 1000 people online
server 3 has 1200 people online
in this case, Server 1 will be labeled low, Server 2 Medium, and Server 3 full.
It will always compare the servers.
if server 1 had 1800 people online
server 2 2000
server 3 2200, then server 1 would still be on low, server 2 still on medium, and server 3 on full.
the source of this information is the European community manager Thundgot.
I'd also like to know just how Lotro is diffrent. in WoW, you do quests, collect gear, learn skills, etc. In Lotro, you do the exact same thing. its not diffrent, its not new.
really, Imho, Lord of the Rings Online is a decent game, but its a shameless World of Warcraft rip-off. Now, I'm sure some lotro fan can't wait to jump up and point me that WoW is actually a clone itself from Everquest. Very true, but I believe every mmorpg has its special traits. for example, ArchLord is very similiar to Lineage 2, but it still has its own, unique traits. but I don't see that when comparing Lotro and WoW. I don't see anything special (maybe apart from monster play, but I don't really see that as a great feature) that Lotro does diffrent then WoW.
WOW rip-off? where you have been? remember a game called ac2? Most things WOW have are a rip-off of ac2, ac1 and EQ.
Did you actually read my post, or did you just saw the words "RIP OFF!" and decided to write a reply, without reading the rest?
So since ac2 was a turbine game and WOW even the UI copied from there, how's LOTRO is a WOW rippoff?
LotRO has PvP, it is not PvE PvP or "PvP". It is simply PvP but not all will enjoy it.
LotRO has not released yet. It has the potential to grow on an already polished surface.
Gameloading my post was mainly towards you and your comments about LotRO's poor "PvP" and the fact it is a shame-less WoW clone with nothing unique.
Every mmo is different in small ways.
LotRO is different because...
- PvMP
- Pipeweed
- Instruments that you control
- Epic quests tied to the lore of the books
- Conjunctions
- Virtues/titles and traits system can be considered unique in some ways.
Small as they may be, they are still unique features of the game.
The game has alot of room to improve. It is however shaping up to be a good experiance for new mmoers and old mmoers looking for a game that does alot of good with the old.
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
First, let's all just agree that the 600k pre-order number is complete BS. Unless it can be proven it is just another made up internet forum number that someone pulled out of their a**.
Second, it does look similiar to AC2 for good reason. It is using the same engine. Turbine verified this at CES, although they did say it has been added onto since AC2. At CES they also spoke of their PVP system which sounded like a terrible idea, but until I play it I will reserve final judgement.
I don't have high hopes for LOTRO but that is because their last 2 MMO's have been a disappointment to me. It is sad for me that I'm no longer a Turbine fan as they did create my favorite MMO of all time (Asheron's Call), unfortunately they burnt their fans so bad with AC2 I find it hard to forgive them.
LotRO has PvP, it is not PvE PvP or "PvP". It is simply PvP but not all will enjoy it. LotRO has not released yet. It has the potential to grow on an already polished surface. Gameloading my post was mainly towards you and your comments about LotRO's poor "PvP" and the fact it is a shame-less WoW clone with nothing unique. Every mmo is different in small ways. LotRO is different because... - PvMP
- Pipeweed - Instruments that you control
- Epic quests tied to the lore of the books
- Conjunctions - Virtues/titles and traits system can be considered unique in some ways. Small as they may be, they are still unique features of the game. The game has alot of room to improve. It is however shaping up to be a good experiance for new mmoers and old mmoers looking for a game that does alot of good with the old.
WoW also has quests tied to the lore of Warcraft. thats nothing new. I'm sorry, but if really the only thing thats "Unique" are instruments you can controll and titles, then I'm sorry, but I'll stick to my opinion that Lotro is a shameless WoW rip off.
Imo, World of Warcraft is superior to Lord of the Rings Online. In the PVE area, they are pretty much the same, except that World of Warcraft offers A LOT bigger world and much more content. Lotro's "PVP" is junk. Its an original idea, but it doesn't work. its rediculous, and its absolutely nothing compared to the PVP options WoW offers, especialy in the Burning Crusade. There is one thing that Lotro leaves WoW behind (If you ignore the system specs) and thats graphics. Lotro can show some pretty darn amazing graphics. the story explained in the quests is also decent, as well as the instanced storyline missions.
If your already playing WoW and your not bored of it yet, don't bother switching. Lotro doesn't offer anything WoW doesn't offer. Turbine tried something new with D&DO, but its obvious the game is not as successful as they would have hoped it to be, while WoW kept growing more and more. So, Turbine took the safe way. If you can't beat them, join them.
really, Imho, Lord of the Rings Online is a decent game, but its a shameless World of Warcraft rip-off. Now, I'm sure some lotro fan can't wait to jump up and point me that WoW is actually a clone itself from Everquest. Very true, but I believe every mmorpg has its special traits. for example, ArchLord is very similiar to Lineage 2, but it still has its own, unique traits. but I don't see that when comparing Lotro and WoW. I don't see anything special (maybe apart from monster play, but I don't really see that as a great feature) that Lotro does diffrent then WoW.
Well lets see how LOTRO does differently.
First off there is the central epic story line. There is nothing like that in World of Warcraft. There is no quest like that goes along with your character's entire span of levels. World of Warcraft has quests and some of stories the closest thing would be doing the Onyxia chain quest (very good quest) but they are so few in WoW and are not extremely important to your play of the game. In LOTRO the epic quest is quite important.
Second Mobs give pretty much no XP. That is not the case in WoW by any means. I know plenty of people who have leveled from 1-60 and even 1-70 without doing quests. They aren't needed or required. Heck that guy who hit 70 first did it all through grinding. You can't do that with LOTRO.
Third LOTRO has conjuctions which are group based special skills that are used by the whole fellowship during a battle. (Yes LOTRO is not hte first game to have this, but WoW does not have this or anything similar to it)
Fourth LOTRO has a robust Music system, pipe smoking, emotes to change the mood of your character, etc to really appeal to Roleplaying players. World of Warcraft has dancing and that is pretty much it for roleplayers to use.
Fifth LOTRO has an extremely great lore to work with that alone makes it unique to WoW. Yes you might not like LOTRO that much, but there are millions of people that do enjoy Lord of the rings. Even if we don't take count of all the people that have read the books and just look at how the movie did. The 3 movies grossed over 1 billion dollars. That means the movie was viewed atleast 100 million times at the lowest estimate (basing on 10 dollars per ticket, which is aroudn the going rate in my area) Yes that might not of been 100 million individual people since some saw it more then once, but that is still a lot of people. So the Lore is a a very unique trait to the game. Just because you don't personally think that doesn't make it not true.
There are other things that make it different as well. Monster play, not having raids being the only way to get the best loot, more well thought out crafting system, etc.
There are definitely things that make it different from World of Warcraft. It is in no way a WoW clone. That is just a plain lie and WoW fanboys are the only people who would think that. The game pulls from the genre of what they think would make a good MMO. Just like WoW did before them. So I guess that can make the a WoW Clone in the same sense that WoW was a clone of EQ1, DAoC, and AC2.
Don't people get tired of saying everything is a WoW clone? LOTRO people call it a WoW clone, WAR people call it a WoW clone. I guess people don't realize that there were MMO games before WoW. It is the only explanation for people thinking that WoW has been cloned. If you even looked at my screen shots you would see that the User interface that Turbine designed years before WoW came out is pretty much the same thing that is used in Lord of The rings. Heck it is pretty much the same one that is used in World of Warcraft. The quest system used in World Of Warcraft are basically the same quests from Everquest. The PVP aspect of their battlegrounds are based on Dark Age of Camelot's RvR system (although Blizzard got it extremely wrong, BGs that reset all of the time are so pointless). World of Warcraft brought extreme polish to the genre, a sense that art direction was more important then graphical power alone, an extremely nice mail system to make it easy to keep in touch with friends, and an advertising campaign to make more people aware of the MMO genre. That is pretty much it.
I would love for someone to give me a list of all the nice things that WoW has brought to the MMO Genre that makes them so worhty of every other game being called a WoW Clone.
Gameloading please list these features that are unique to World Of Warcraft that no other game had before them and are being copied in Lord of the Rings online.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
LotRO has PvP, it is not PvE PvP or "PvP". It is simply PvP but not all will enjoy it. LotRO has not released yet. It has the potential to grow on an already polished surface. Gameloading my post was mainly towards you and your comments about LotRO's poor "PvP" and the fact it is a shame-less WoW clone with nothing unique. Every mmo is different in small ways. LotRO is different because... - PvMP
- Pipeweed - Instruments that you control
- Epic quests tied to the lore of the books
- Conjunctions - Virtues/titles and traits system can be considered unique in some ways. Small as they may be, they are still unique features of the game. The game has alot of room to improve. It is however shaping up to be a good experiance for new mmoers and old mmoers looking for a game that does alot of good with the old.
WoW also has quests tied to the lore of Warcraft. thats nothing new. I'm sorry, but if really the only thing thats "Unique" are instruments you can controll and titles, then I'm sorry, but I'll stick to my opinion that Lotro is a shameless WoW rip off.
Well you arn't far from the truth imo. Although the WoW quests tied to the lore are different not to mention WoW lore being as flexible as a piece of string.
But what exactly has WoW done to show that it is nothing but a shameless rip-off of past mmos? WoW sure wasn't glowing with uniqueness at launch, and I fail to see how it is now.
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
LotRO has PvP, it is not PvE PvP or "PvP". It is simply PvP but not all will enjoy it. LotRO has not released yet. It has the potential to grow on an already polished surface. Gameloading my post was mainly towards you and your comments about LotRO's poor "PvP" and the fact it is a shame-less WoW clone with nothing unique. Every mmo is different in small ways. LotRO is different because... - PvMP
- Pipeweed - Instruments that you control
- Epic quests tied to the lore of the books
- Conjunctions - Virtues/titles and traits system can be considered unique in some ways. Small as they may be, they are still unique features of the game. The game has alot of room to improve. It is however shaping up to be a good experiance for new mmoers and old mmoers looking for a game that does alot of good with the old.
WoW also has quests tied to the lore of Warcraft. thats nothing new. I'm sorry, but if really the only thing thats "Unique" are instruments you can controll and titles, then I'm sorry, but I'll stick to my opinion that Lotro is a shameless WoW rip off.
There is a difference between just being tied to the Lore and being an important part of the story of your character. What quest in WoW starts at the beginning of the game and you work on it all the way to max level? If you can't name one then no WoW's quests are nothing like LOTRO's quests.
WoW quest system is a means to level. It is not a story meant to be played. That is why you can by pass every quest in the game and not miss anything at all. They tie some quests to getting new skills like the warrior stances quests. But really there is no grand story to them. Go and beat this guy in the bar, ok now you know how to use defensive stance. Here beat all of these guys in the circle ok now you know beserker stance.
And you completely ignored the conjuctions. Which add a new dynamic way to battle as a group that World of Warcraft does not have. So yes that also makes it unique compared to WoW.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Gameloading I am honestly beginning to believe you get paid by Blizzard. Other wise I can not fathom your rabid defense of World of Warcraft. You have this strong belief that no other game could ever possibly come close to WoW in subscription numbers. It is either blind loyalty, bought loyalty, or just plain ignorance. Records are meant to be broken. There is always someone bigger and better around the corner. That is how the world works. Blizzard isn't the only company capable of having millions of fans. Yet you seem devoted to them and think that they are.
And before you say well that history shows no one will get more subscribers. History showed no one would get more then Everquest 1 had. But we can see know that wasn't true. History doesn't always predict the future. Especially in a genre that is so new that no one has an idea where it will be in the future. Really the MMO genre has no robust history to use to predict what will happen. As broadband has become more widespread the genre has become bigger. As we the gaming age get older and our kids game and then their kids game the audience gets larger. So what makes you possibly think that No other game will catch on fire and bring new players to the MMO genre?
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Gameloading I am honestly beginning to believe you get paid by Blizzard. Other wise I can not fathom your rabid defense of World of Warcraft. You have this strong belief that no other game could ever possibly come close to WoW in subscription numbers. It is either blind loyalty, bought loyalty, or just plain ignorance. Records are meant to be broken. There is always someone bigger and better around the corner. That is how the world works. Blizzard isn't the only company capable of having millions of fans. Yet you seem devoted to them and think that they are.
And before you say well that history shows no one will get more subscribers. History showed no one would get more then Everquest 1 had. But we can see know that wasn't true. History doesn't always predict the future. Especially in a genre that is so new that no one has an idea where it will be in the future. Really the MMO genre has no robust history to use to predict what will happen. As broadband has become more widespread the genre has become bigger. As we the gaming age get older and our kids game and then their kids game the audience gets larger. So what makes you possibly think that No other game will catch on fire and bring new players to the MMO genre?
Turbine's history shows they aren't able to deliver a product that is good enough to acheive WOW type sub numbers.
Imo, World of Warcraft is superior to Lord of the Rings Online. In the PVE area, they are pretty much the same, except that World of Warcraft offers A LOT bigger world and much more content. Lotro's "PVP" is junk. Its an original idea, but it doesn't work. its rediculous, and its absolutely nothing compared to the PVP options WoW offers, especialy in the Burning Crusade. There is one thing that Lotro leaves WoW behind (If you ignore the system specs) and thats graphics. Lotro can show some pretty darn amazing graphics. the story explained in the quests is also decent, as well as the instanced storyline missions.
If your already playing WoW and your not bored of it yet, don't bother switching. Lotro doesn't offer anything WoW doesn't offer. Turbine tried something new with D&DO, but its obvious the game is not as successful as they would have hoped it to be, while WoW kept growing more and more. So, Turbine took the safe way. If you can't beat them, join them.
really, Imho, Lord of the Rings Online is a decent game, but its a shameless World of Warcraft rip-off. Now, I'm sure some lotro fan can't wait to jump up and point me that WoW is actually a clone itself from Everquest. Very true, but I believe every mmorpg has its special traits. for example, ArchLord is very similiar to Lineage 2, but it still has its own, unique traits. but I don't see that when comparing Lotro and WoW. I don't see anything special (maybe apart from monster play, but I don't really see that as a great feature) that Lotro does diffrent then WoW.
Well lets see how LOTRO does differently.
First off there is the central epic story line. There is nothing like that in World of Warcraft. There is no quest like that goes along with your character's entire span of levels. World of Warcraft has quests and some of stories the closest thing would be doing the Onyxia chain quest (very good quest) but they are so few in WoW and are not extremely important to your play of the game. In LOTRO the epic quest is quite important.
the story inside the quests in Lotro are just as important as in WoW. in Lotro, you can finish the entire playing without paying any attention to the story of the game.
Second Mobs give pretty much no XP. That is not the case in WoW by any means. I know plenty of people who have leveled from 1-60 and even 1-70 without doing quests. They aren't needed or required. Heck that guy who hit 70 first did it all through grinding. You can't do that with LOTRO.
Do you also know how he did it? He grinded with the help of 40 of his guild members, which brings us to the conclussion that the only way to get to level 70 faster then questing is by having 40 members bring mobs to the one who wishes to level, so he can use AoE skills. Questing in WoW is much more proftiable then just grinding. you gain extra experience, coins and items, + the loot you get from killing the required monsters. the gameplay is the same, even though WoW mobs give more XP. I doubt many people actually grinded a lot in WoW, ignoring the quests.
Third LOTRO has conjuctions which are group based special skills that are used by the whole fellowship during a battle. (Yes LOTRO is not hte first game to have this, but WoW does not have this or anything similar to it)
No comment there, enough said.
Fourth LOTRO has a robust Music system, pipe smoking, emotes to change the mood of your character, etc to really appeal to Roleplaying players. World of Warcraft has dancing and that is pretty much it for roleplayers to use.
wow, now that has a <MAJOR> effect on the gameplay of the game...
Fifth LOTRO has an extremely great lore to work with that alone makes it unique to WoW. Yes you might not like LOTRO that much, but there are millions of people that do enjoy Lord of the rings. Even if we don't take count of all the people that have read the books and just look at how the movie did. The 3 movies grossed over 1 billion dollars. That means the movie was viewed atleast 100 million times at the lowest estimate (basing on 10 dollars per ticket, which is aroudn the going rate in my area) Yes that might not of been 100 million individual people since some saw it more then once, but that is still a lot of people. So the Lore is a a very unique trait to the game. Just because you don't personally think that doesn't make it not true.
I have never said that the lore is not good, or that it is poor, but its not an unique trait about the game, because this also counts for Warcraft. WoW is build on a serie of computer games, and even books, which contains a ton of lore. if the Lotro Lore is actually better doesn't matter, both MMORPG's are build on an existing storyline. I believe the only diffrence is that Lotro takes place during the books (thats what I heard at least, back when I was following the title), and WoW takes place after the events in Warcraft 1,2 and 3 and the books.
There are other things that make it different as well. Monster play, not having raids being the only way to get the best loot, more well thought out crafting system, etc.
Monster play is actuallly something I could consider unique, but as I said, I do not find it to be all that great.
There are definitely things that make it different from World of Warcraft. It is in no way a WoW clone. That is just a plain lie and WoW fanboys are the only people who would think that. brilliant conclusion. when someone points out the combat and questing nature in WoW and Lotro are almost identical, then that person MUST be a WoW fanboi. there is no other explenation. The game pulls from the genre of what they think would make a good MMO. Just like WoW did before them. So I guess that can make the a WoW Clone in the same sense that WoW was a clone of EQ1, DAoC, and AC2.
Don't people get tired of saying everything is a WoW clone? wouldn't know, the only game I call a direct WoW rip off is Lotro. LOTRO people call it a WoW clone, WAR people call it a WoW clone. I guess people don't realize that there were MMO games before WoW. It is the only explanation for people thinking that WoW has been cloned. If you even looked at my screen shots you would see that the User interface that Turbine designed years before WoW came out is pretty much the same thing that is used in Lord of The rings. Heck it is pretty much the same one that is used in World of Warcraft. The quest system used in World Of Warcraft are basically the same quests from Everquest. The PVP aspect of their battlegrounds are based on Dark Age of Camelot's RvR system (although Blizzard got it extremely wrong, BGs that reset all of the time are so pointless). World of Warcraft brought extreme polish to the genre, a sense that art direction was more important then graphical power alone, an extremely nice mail system to make it easy to keep in touch with friends, and an advertising campaign to make more people aware of the MMO genre. That is pretty much it.
I would love for someone to give me a list of all the nice things that WoW has brought to the MMO Genre that makes them so worhty of every other game being called a WoW Clone.
Gameloading please list these features that are unique to World Of Warcraft that no other game had before them and are being copied in Lord of the Rings online.
WoW was the first mmorpg that made it casual and accesible. Everybody could play it and get somewhere. the nature the quests guide you to each area, you ALWAYS have something to do, there is ALWAYS a quest for you to complete. that is what made WoW unique, you could jump in, play for 20 minutes and jump out and actually accomplishsomething. The Battlegrounds are good example, You can get into the Battlegrounds at any given time now that their linked, you can play for 10 minutes, because that is how long a WSG match can take, and leave when your done. if you want to play a bit longer, go for AV. there is always something to do. As I already mentioned before, I also think WoW is an Everquest clone, mixed with a bit of DAOC. but every mmorpg has its own special traits that make them really unique, but Lotro's special treats are so incredbly small. I mean, look at the examples you give yourself. "LOTRO has a robust Music system, pipe smoking, emotes to change the mood of your characte" to prove Lotro is unique, you come up with a music system? Pipe smoking? Emotes!? I'm sorry, but I just can't get over that. that has such a little effect on gameplay that its rediculous. only the Roleplayers might actually consider leaving anothe rgame for that.
Gameloading I am honestly beginning to believe you get paid by Blizzard. Yes, Blizzard pays me 300$ a month to come to mmorpg.com to tell everyone how great WoW is. Other wise I can not fathom your rabid defense of World of Warcraft yes, because its silly somebody doesn't jump on the "I HATE WOW!" bandwagon. You have this strong belief that no other game could ever possibly come close to WoW in subscription numbers. You see, this is EXACTLY what happens when people don't read my posts. I have NEVER EVER said that no other game could ever possibly come close to WoW in subscribtion numbers. do you know what I did say? I said that WAR won't come close to WoW in subscribtion numbers, THATS what I said.
It is either blind loyalty, bought loyalty, or just plain ignorance. its actually a lack of reading comprehension on your part. Records are meant to be broken. There is always someone bigger and better around the corner. That is how the world works. Blizzard isn't the only company capable of having millions of fans. Yet you seem devoted to them and think that they are.
And before you say well that history shows no one will get more subscribers. History showed no one would get more then Everquest 1 had. But we can see know that wasn't true. History doesn't always predict the future. Especially in a genre that is so new that no one has an idea where it will be in the future. Really the MMO genre has no robust history to use to predict what will happen. As broadband has become more widespread the genre has become bigger. As we the gaming age get older and our kids game and then their kids game the audience gets larger. So what makes you possibly think that No other game I don't think that and I never said that, don't put words in my mouth. will catch on fire and bring new players to the MMO genre?
Gameloading I am honestly beginning to believe you get paid by Blizzard. Other wise I can not fathom your rabid defense of World of Warcraft. You have this strong belief that no other game could ever possibly come close to WoW in subscription numbers. It is either blind loyalty, bought loyalty, or just plain ignorance. Records are meant to be broken. There is always someone bigger and better around the corner. That is how the world works. Blizzard isn't the only company capable of having millions of fans. Yet you seem devoted to them and think that they are.
And before you say well that history shows no one will get more subscribers. History showed no one would get more then Everquest 1 had. But we can see know that wasn't true. History doesn't always predict the future. Especially in a genre that is so new that no one has an idea where it will be in the future. Really the MMO genre has no robust history to use to predict what will happen. As broadband has become more widespread the genre has become bigger. As we the gaming age get older and our kids game and then their kids game the audience gets larger. So what makes you possibly think that No other game will catch on fire and bring new players to the MMO genre?
Turbine's history shows they aren't able to deliver a product that is good enough to acheive WOW type sub numbers.
The genre is still too new. The history doesn't matter when the genre is still expanding. Blizzard's history didn't support that they would get this many subscribers either. If you played at release you would know that. The servers always had a ton of queues they were blown away by the amount of people and had no idea. So you can't base it on history. Plus A Lord of the rings MMO has no history. Neither does a Warhammer one, or a Star Trek one, or a Stargate one, etc.
As shown by WoW the history of the genre has nothing to do with new games coming out. Each are unique do to the worlds they are being built on.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
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Even if Lotro breaks the 1 million barrier, then I still wouldn't be convinced that WAR would do better. Lotro franchise is of an entire diffrent league then warhammer.
But they don't actually progess anything Gameloading not on WoW. For instance the starter quests on LOTRO when you finish the human starting area archet is destroyed and looks that way for the rest of the time. That is a good example of actually continueing the story.
In wow yes the quests tell you about a story but if you go back to the guy later it hasn't made any change what so ever. He is still standing there waiting for the next person to do the quest for him.
That is why I personally can not wait for BioWare's MMO. I think they will finally get it right and make a game where each and every person feels like they are actually part of the overall story of the world. They will also make the game story driven and each person will feel like the hero.
That is part of what I hate about the current crop of MMOs. How can you as an individual or even as a group feel like the hero of the story if everyone around you is doing the same thing, and when you are all done it just needs to be done over and over again.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
and wow is an eq clone. while "warcraft" is based off of warhammer...
so what's your point? it's not like wow is ORIGINAL.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I'll say this much, and please keep in mind that this is my personal opinion, LOTRO is a cheap version of WoW gameplay-wise. The combat in LOTRO is a snoozefest when compared to WoW. Granted that WoW's combat mechanics are not the best in the world but they are fun when compared to this game. LOTRO looks like a cheap imitation of WoW in that aspect. The quests don't seem as important as they do in WoW. I've played the game since the first beta and I went back to WoW because there is absolutely nothing that reminded me of the Tolkien's world in LOTRO besides the names and the locations. I guess that it was kind of fun to see the various locations written of in the books but otherwise, there is nothing else. Stale quests, crappy character animations and boring combat.
When I read Tolkien's books, I felt a sense of conflict between good and evil. There is nothing like that in the game. The only conflict you will see is killing various animals and monsters that aimlessly walk back and forth on the world map and that player vs. player controlled monster thing that was tried in EQ a long time ago and did not work. There is not Good vs. Evil in this game. Just you vs. the mobs.
I just don't get people's complaints about the whole good vs evil thing. It is the same thing in every single MMO. All of them are just you vs the mobs. At least in LOTRO the Epic quest makes me feel involved with the world. I can't see how anyone can say the quests feel more important in WoW. WoW's quests don't have any effect on anything in the world.
I just don't understand. In many cases I think some people are just WoW "Fanboys" and are blinded by that fact. WoW was a fun game but it isn't anything special. Especially in the quests. Where WoW excels is in their raids, but quests and pvp are severly lacking imo.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
I just don't get people's complaints about the whole good vs evil thing. It is the same thing in every single MMO. All of them are just you vs the mobs. At least in LOTRO the Epic quest makes me feel involved with the world. I can't see how anyone can say the quests feel more important in WoW. WoW's quests don't have any effect on anything in the world.
I just don't understand. In many cases I think some people are just WoW "Fanboys" and are blinded by that fact. WoW was a fun game but it isn't anything special. Especially in the quests. Where WoW excels is in their raids, but quests and pvp are severly lacking imo.
The problem here with WOW fanbois is this, WOW is losing people because of TBC... they waited 2 years for a crap xpack, and when they see a game like lotro having 600k pre orders and inviting over a million people for Open Beta they get scared that their game start losing more people.I just don't get people's complaints about the whole good vs evil thing. It is the same thing in every single MMO. All of them are just you vs the mobs. At least in LOTRO the Epic quest makes me feel involved with the world. I can't see how anyone can say the quests feel more important in WoW. WoW's quests don't have any effect on anything in the world.
I just don't understand. In many cases I think some people are just WoW "Fanboys" and are blinded by that fact. WoW was a fun game but it isn't anything special. Especially in the quests. Where WoW excels is in their raids, but quests and pvp are severly lacking imo.
I think that most of us who "complain" about Good vs. Evil are the people who thought that a game based on Tolkien's work would be much more epic than a stale WoW clone. I'm not a WoW fanboy but I would rather play WoW than LOTRO.
As for thos epic quests in LOTRO, there is nothing epic about them. They are just regular quests that do not change anything about the game, the only difference is that they might include some character's from the books. Being that they are instanced and do not have any effect on the world, there is nothing epic about them. I can do the same in WoW, at least the combat aspect will be more fun.
As for WoW lacking in PvP, I'll say this: at least WoW has PvP. Playing on a PvP server, I can actually kill other players. In WoW I can actually gear and spec my character to be good at PvP, where as in LOTRO you get what? Player vs. Player controlled monsters? Whoopty freaking doo. That's not PvP, that's a minigame. Based on the books that involve conflict, there is a complete void in the game when it comes to that aspect. Granted, WoW's PvP is lacking but it is much better than LOTRO's PvP, or lack there of.
I just don't get people's complaints about the whole good vs evil thing. It is the same thing in every single MMO. All of them are just you vs the mobs. At least in LOTRO the Epic quest makes me feel involved with the world. I can't see how anyone can say the quests feel more important in WoW. WoW's quests don't have any effect on anything in the world.
I just don't understand. In many cases I think some people are just WoW "Fanboys" and are blinded by that fact. WoW was a fun game but it isn't anything special. Especially in the quests. Where WoW excels is in their raids, but quests and pvp are severly lacking imo.
I think that most of us who "complain" about Good vs. Evil are the people who thought that a game based on Tolkien's work would be much more epic than a stale WoW clone. I'm not a WoW fanboy but I would rather play WoW than LOTRO.
As for thos epic quests in LOTRO, there is nothing epic about them. They are just regular quests that do not change anything about the game, the only difference is that they might include some character's from the books. Being that they are instanced and do not have any effect on the world, there is nothing epic about them. I can do the same in WoW, at least the combat aspect will be more fun.
As for WoW lacking in PvP, I'll say this: at least WoW has PvP. Playing on a PvP server, I can actually kill other players. In WoW I can actually gear and spec my character to be good at PvP, where as in LOTRO you get what? Player vs. Player controlled monsters? Whoopty freaking doo. That's not PvP, that's a minigame. Based on the books that involve conflict, there is a complete void in the game when it comes to that aspect. Granted, WoW's PvP is lacking but it is much better than LOTRO's PvP, or lack there of.
There is no lack of PVP in LOTRO. Lets get that out of the way. There is Player controlled characters fighting other player controlled characters. So there is PVP. Whether you like their system or not. It is an absolute lie to say there is no PVP in the game.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
LotRO has PvP, it is not PvE PvP or "PvP". It is simply PvP but not all will enjoy it.
LotRO has not released yet. It has the potential to grow on an already polished surface.
Gameloading my post was mainly towards you and your comments about LotRO's poor "PvP" and the fact it is a shame-less WoW clone with nothing unique.
Every mmo is different in small ways.
LotRO is different because...
- PvMP
- Pipeweed
- Instruments that you control
- Epic quests tied to the lore of the books
- Conjunctions
- Virtues/titles and traits system can be considered unique in some ways.
Small as they may be, they are still unique features of the game.
The game has alot of room to improve. It is however shaping up to be a good experiance for new mmoers and old mmoers looking for a game that does alot of good with the old.
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
First, let's all just agree that the 600k pre-order number is complete BS. Unless it can be proven it is just another made up internet forum number that someone pulled out of their a**.
Second, it does look similiar to AC2 for good reason. It is using the same engine. Turbine verified this at CES, although they did say it has been added onto since AC2. At CES they also spoke of their PVP system which sounded like a terrible idea, but until I play it I will reserve final judgement.
I don't have high hopes for LOTRO but that is because their last 2 MMO's have been a disappointment to me. It is sad for me that I'm no longer a Turbine fan as they did create my favorite MMO of all time (Asheron's Call), unfortunately they burnt their fans so bad with AC2 I find it hard to forgive them.
Well lets see how LOTRO does differently.
First off there is the central epic story line. There is nothing like that in World of Warcraft. There is no quest like that goes along with your character's entire span of levels. World of Warcraft has quests and some of stories the closest thing would be doing the Onyxia chain quest (very good quest) but they are so few in WoW and are not extremely important to your play of the game. In LOTRO the epic quest is quite important.
Second Mobs give pretty much no XP. That is not the case in WoW by any means. I know plenty of people who have leveled from 1-60 and even 1-70 without doing quests. They aren't needed or required. Heck that guy who hit 70 first did it all through grinding. You can't do that with LOTRO.
Third LOTRO has conjuctions which are group based special skills that are used by the whole fellowship during a battle. (Yes LOTRO is not hte first game to have this, but WoW does not have this or anything similar to it)
Fourth LOTRO has a robust Music system, pipe smoking, emotes to change the mood of your character, etc to really appeal to Roleplaying players. World of Warcraft has dancing and that is pretty much it for roleplayers to use.
Fifth LOTRO has an extremely great lore to work with that alone makes it unique to WoW. Yes you might not like LOTRO that much, but there are millions of people that do enjoy Lord of the rings. Even if we don't take count of all the people that have read the books and just look at how the movie did. The 3 movies grossed over 1 billion dollars. That means the movie was viewed atleast 100 million times at the lowest estimate (basing on 10 dollars per ticket, which is aroudn the going rate in my area) Yes that might not of been 100 million individual people since some saw it more then once, but that is still a lot of people. So the Lore is a a very unique trait to the game. Just because you don't personally think that doesn't make it not true.
There are other things that make it different as well. Monster play, not having raids being the only way to get the best loot, more well thought out crafting system, etc.
There are definitely things that make it different from World of Warcraft. It is in no way a WoW clone. That is just a plain lie and WoW fanboys are the only people who would think that. The game pulls from the genre of what they think would make a good MMO. Just like WoW did before them. So I guess that can make the a WoW Clone in the same sense that WoW was a clone of EQ1, DAoC, and AC2.
Don't people get tired of saying everything is a WoW clone? LOTRO people call it a WoW clone, WAR people call it a WoW clone. I guess people don't realize that there were MMO games before WoW. It is the only explanation for people thinking that WoW has been cloned. If you even looked at my screen shots you would see that the User interface that Turbine designed years before WoW came out is pretty much the same thing that is used in Lord of The rings. Heck it is pretty much the same one that is used in World of Warcraft. The quest system used in World Of Warcraft are basically the same quests from Everquest. The PVP aspect of their battlegrounds are based on Dark Age of Camelot's RvR system (although Blizzard got it extremely wrong, BGs that reset all of the time are so pointless). World of Warcraft brought extreme polish to the genre, a sense that art direction was more important then graphical power alone, an extremely nice mail system to make it easy to keep in touch with friends, and an advertising campaign to make more people aware of the MMO genre. That is pretty much it.
I would love for someone to give me a list of all the nice things that WoW has brought to the MMO Genre that makes them so worhty of every other game being called a WoW Clone.
Gameloading please list these features that are unique to World Of Warcraft that no other game had before them and are being copied in Lord of the Rings online.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Well you arn't far from the truth imo. Although the WoW quests tied to the lore are different not to mention WoW lore being as flexible as a piece of string.
But what exactly has WoW done to show that it is nothing but a shameless rip-off of past mmos? WoW sure wasn't glowing with uniqueness at launch, and I fail to see how it is now.
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
There is a difference between just being tied to the Lore and being an important part of the story of your character. What quest in WoW starts at the beginning of the game and you work on it all the way to max level? If you can't name one then no WoW's quests are nothing like LOTRO's quests.
WoW quest system is a means to level. It is not a story meant to be played. That is why you can by pass every quest in the game and not miss anything at all. They tie some quests to getting new skills like the warrior stances quests. But really there is no grand story to them. Go and beat this guy in the bar, ok now you know how to use defensive stance. Here beat all of these guys in the circle ok now you know beserker stance.
And you completely ignored the conjuctions. Which add a new dynamic way to battle as a group that World of Warcraft does not have. So yes that also makes it unique compared to WoW.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Gameloading I am honestly beginning to believe you get paid by Blizzard. Other wise I can not fathom your rabid defense of World of Warcraft. You have this strong belief that no other game could ever possibly come close to WoW in subscription numbers. It is either blind loyalty, bought loyalty, or just plain ignorance. Records are meant to be broken. There is always someone bigger and better around the corner. That is how the world works. Blizzard isn't the only company capable of having millions of fans. Yet you seem devoted to them and think that they are.
And before you say well that history shows no one will get more subscribers. History showed no one would get more then Everquest 1 had. But we can see know that wasn't true. History doesn't always predict the future. Especially in a genre that is so new that no one has an idea where it will be in the future. Really the MMO genre has no robust history to use to predict what will happen. As broadband has become more widespread the genre has become bigger. As we the gaming age get older and our kids game and then their kids game the audience gets larger. So what makes you possibly think that No other game will catch on fire and bring new players to the MMO genre?
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Well lets see how LOTRO does differently.
First off there is the central epic story line. There is nothing like that in World of Warcraft. There is no quest like that goes along with your character's entire span of levels. World of Warcraft has quests and some of stories the closest thing would be doing the Onyxia chain quest (very good quest) but they are so few in WoW and are not extremely important to your play of the game. In LOTRO the epic quest is quite important.
the story inside the quests in Lotro are just as important as in WoW. in Lotro, you can finish the entire playing without paying any attention to the story of the game.
Second Mobs give pretty much no XP. That is not the case in WoW by any means. I know plenty of people who have leveled from 1-60 and even 1-70 without doing quests. They aren't needed or required. Heck that guy who hit 70 first did it all through grinding. You can't do that with LOTRO.
Do you also know how he did it? He grinded with the help of 40 of his guild members, which brings us to the conclussion that the only way to get to level 70 faster then questing is by having 40 members bring mobs to the one who wishes to level, so he can use AoE skills. Questing in WoW is much more proftiable then just grinding. you gain extra experience, coins and items, + the loot you get from killing the required monsters. the gameplay is the same, even though WoW mobs give more XP. I doubt many people actually grinded a lot in WoW, ignoring the quests.
Third LOTRO has conjuctions which are group based special skills that are used by the whole fellowship during a battle. (Yes LOTRO is not hte first game to have this, but WoW does not have this or anything similar to it)
No comment there, enough said.
Fourth LOTRO has a robust Music system, pipe smoking, emotes to change the mood of your character, etc to really appeal to Roleplaying players. World of Warcraft has dancing and that is pretty much it for roleplayers to use.
wow, now that has a <MAJOR> effect on the gameplay of the game...
Fifth LOTRO has an extremely great lore to work with that alone makes it unique to WoW. Yes you might not like LOTRO that much, but there are millions of people that do enjoy Lord of the rings. Even if we don't take count of all the people that have read the books and just look at how the movie did. The 3 movies grossed over 1 billion dollars. That means the movie was viewed atleast 100 million times at the lowest estimate (basing on 10 dollars per ticket, which is aroudn the going rate in my area) Yes that might not of been 100 million individual people since some saw it more then once, but that is still a lot of people. So the Lore is a a very unique trait to the game. Just because you don't personally think that doesn't make it not true.
I have never said that the lore is not good, or that it is poor, but its not an unique trait about the game, because this also counts for Warcraft. WoW is build on a serie of computer games, and even books, which contains a ton of lore. if the Lotro Lore is actually better doesn't matter, both MMORPG's are build on an existing storyline. I believe the only diffrence is that Lotro takes place during the books (thats what I heard at least, back when I was following the title), and WoW takes place after the events in Warcraft 1,2 and 3 and the books.
There are other things that make it different as well. Monster play, not having raids being the only way to get the best loot, more well thought out crafting system, etc.
Monster play is actuallly something I could consider unique, but as I said, I do not find it to be all that great.
There are definitely things that make it different from World of Warcraft. It is in no way a WoW clone. That is just a plain lie and WoW fanboys are the only people who would think that. brilliant conclusion. when someone points out the combat and questing nature in WoW and Lotro are almost identical, then that person MUST be a WoW fanboi. there is no other explenation. The game pulls from the genre of what they think would make a good MMO. Just like WoW did before them. So I guess that can make the a WoW Clone in the same sense that WoW was a clone of EQ1, DAoC, and AC2.
Don't people get tired of saying everything is a WoW clone? wouldn't know, the only game I call a direct WoW rip off is Lotro. LOTRO people call it a WoW clone, WAR people call it a WoW clone. I guess people don't realize that there were MMO games before WoW. It is the only explanation for people thinking that WoW has been cloned. If you even looked at my screen shots you would see that the User interface that Turbine designed years before WoW came out is pretty much the same thing that is used in Lord of The rings. Heck it is pretty much the same one that is used in World of Warcraft. The quest system used in World Of Warcraft are basically the same quests from Everquest. The PVP aspect of their battlegrounds are based on Dark Age of Camelot's RvR system (although Blizzard got it extremely wrong, BGs that reset all of the time are so pointless). World of Warcraft brought extreme polish to the genre, a sense that art direction was more important then graphical power alone, an extremely nice mail system to make it easy to keep in touch with friends, and an advertising campaign to make more people aware of the MMO genre. That is pretty much it.
I would love for someone to give me a list of all the nice things that WoW has brought to the MMO Genre that makes them so worhty of every other game being called a WoW Clone.
Gameloading please list these features that are unique to World Of Warcraft that no other game had before them and are being copied in Lord of the Rings online.
WoW was the first mmorpg that made it casual and accesible. Everybody could play it and get somewhere. the nature the quests guide you to each area, you ALWAYS have something to do, there is ALWAYS a quest for you to complete. that is what made WoW unique, you could jump in, play for 20 minutes and jump out and actually accomplish something. The Battlegrounds are good example, You can get into the Battlegrounds at any given time now that their linked, you can play for 10 minutes, because that is how long a WSG match can take, and leave when your done. if you want to play a bit longer, go for AV. there is always something to do. As I already mentioned before, I also think WoW is an Everquest clone, mixed with a bit of DAOC. but every mmorpg has its own special traits that make them really unique, but Lotro's special treats are so incredbly small. I mean, look at the examples you give yourself. "LOTRO has a robust Music system, pipe smoking, emotes to change the mood of your characte" to prove Lotro is unique, you come up with a music system? Pipe smoking? Emotes!? I'm sorry, but I just can't get over that. that has such a little effect on gameplay that its rediculous. only the Roleplayers might actually consider leaving anothe rgame for that.
The genre is still too new. The history doesn't matter when the genre is still expanding. Blizzard's history didn't support that they would get this many subscribers either. If you played at release you would know that. The servers always had a ton of queues they were blown away by the amount of people and had no idea. So you can't base it on history. Plus A Lord of the rings MMO has no history. Neither does a Warhammer one, or a Star Trek one, or a Stargate one, etc.
As shown by WoW the history of the genre has nothing to do with new games coming out. Each are unique do to the worlds they are being built on.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)