Do you still think VG was released 3 months to early?

Teala

Back in my review I stated the game needed a minimum of another year.  We're in the 5th month of the game going live and I don't see much difference in this game now then I did then four months ago.  In some ways it is actually less fun to play due to the heavy handed nerf bat tactics on classes.   At the slow rate at which they are patching I'll stick by what I said and say this game is a waste of peoples money for now(some basic quest are still broke that have been broke since day 1).    Maybe by this time next year (April 2008) Vanguard will be really ready for launch. 

Punk999

Lol still mad about the ranger nerfs?

dimmit77

  January 31 to april 16 is 5 months? Wow!

Teala

Originally posted by dimmit77

  January 31 to april 16 is 5 months? Wow!

So I'm a little out of it.  I was up all night at a night club...so sue me.   Just come back in another month and this statement will be true.  It'll be April of 2008 before this game is really ready for launch.

kalade

It was already stated.. but turning 2 months and a few days into 5 months really kinda ruins your argument a bit .. but hey!

Kalade

KariTR

Well Teala, I was thinking a lot on this the other night.

Now granted I dont have performance issues, but I find being in at the beginning of a new world an exciting experience. Not because Im the type of player who wants to be first to cap etc. but because I enjoy playing in a world as it is evolving. The DnL team did one thing right in calling their early players "Pioneers" (no I never played) and I like the feeling of being a pioneer.

The reason I was thinking about this so much was because I wondered if it bore any relation to my attitude to PvP. I love PvP (play on Varking) but I am not an antagonistic PvP'r..or proactive if you prefer. What I like about PvP servers is not that I can kill other player characters but the fact other player characters can kill my character!

Ultimately, I enjoy unknown dangers and both early releases and PvP allow that.

IF you generally enjoy a newly released MMO then it is an exciting time, bugs and all. There is a buzz among the ingame community that you will never find months after release and certainly not after the polish has been added. If some protesters get their way and all future games release polished and "ready" I think some of us will have every reason to mourn the loss of our pioneering days.

kalade

A sort of odd idea KariTR.. but I think I understand very much what you mean, nicely put.

 

Kalade

Orphes

Originally posted by Teala

Back in my review I stated the game needed a minimum of another year.  We're in the 5th month of the game going live and I don't see much difference in this game now then I did then four months ago.  In some ways it is actually less fun to play due to the heavy handed nerf bat tactics on classes.   At the slow rate at which they are patching I'll stick by what I said and say this game is a waste of peoples money for now(some basic quest are still broke that have been broke since day 1).    Maybe by this time next year (April 2008) Vanguard will be really ready for launch. 

Thanks for wasting my time with your originality

Bigpig

I still think the game will be very good in a years time. Just am not paying for them to do the work.

Or me working towards something just to have it nerfed to hell. So I will be back playing. But for now i leave my Monk at  21

Omega3

I fail to understand people claiming the will come back to Vg iN 1 or 2 years.



In 1 or 2 years only the max levels will be populated by die hard fans who resisted the incredible bad launch.

Re susbsciring with your lvl 21 or 32 ranger will not grant you a formidable gaming experience. You will be alone at your level, not guilded, not having fun,; and several MMos will have come out by then more polished, and probably with a more alive community.



Face it peeps, Vanguard bombed and cannot recover. Move on.

Thamoris

Vanguard has been live for 2.5 months ( 10 weeks )...not 5 months....went live at the end of January.

Sigil admitted before the game even launched that it was launching too early and that they needed more time. Everybody and their mother already knew the game was launching in a " not ready" state. That fact was publicaly announced long before the game went live by the game developers themselves!

Vanguard is now at the point it should have been at launch and will continue to better with each update and run of fixes.

Bigpig

Originally posted by Omega3

I fail to understand people claiming the will come back to Vg iN 1 or 2 years.



In 1 or 2 years only the max levels will be populated by die hard fans who resisted the incredible bad launch.

Re susbsciring with your lvl 21 or 32 ranger will not grant you a formidable gaming experience. You will be alone at your level, not guilded, not having fun,; and several MMos will have come out by then more polished, and probably with a more alive community.



Face it peeps, Vanguard bombed and cannot recover. Move on.

 Read that in you're crystal ball?

What do people do when they reach max lvl. Most of the time they make alts. when they are not raiding.

You can say the same thing about EQ2 and WoW. Which as long as you picked the best server. it not much of a problem geting groups. Not much more than a lvl 70 would have.

The game will have very polished content good questlines and nothing a good guild can't Fix a year down the line

healz4u

Originally posted by Thamoris



Vanguard is now at the point it should have been at launch and will continue to better with each update and run of fixes.

Is this a matter of opinion or the official stance of SIGIL?





Thank you in advance.

Tautology

Originally posted by Thamoris


Vanguard has been live for 2.5 months ( 10 weeks )...not 5 months....went live at the end of January.
Sigil admitted before the game even launched that it was launching too early and that they needed more time. Everybody and their mother already knew the game was launching in a " not ready" state. That fact was publicaly announced long before the game went live by the game developers themselves!
Vanguard is now at the point it should have been at launch and will continue to better with each update and run of fixes.

I agree that many things were done and the game has gotten a lot better due to the loads of recent patches, the only thing which "gripes" me is the lack of helmets.  Other than that I would 100% agree. The performance has increased a lot too and runs very good on my machine (I run it at max settings on a NVIDIA 7800 GTX 512 MB Ram, win xp, 2 Gig of GEIL Ram and +3500 AMD Processor).

Jackdog

They worked on the game for 5 years and spent over 30 million on it and it was still a POS at release. Another 5 years and another 30 million and it will still be nothing but a POS. Face it Sigil just does not have the talent to design and produce a decent game and more time will not help.

Lidane

Originally posted by healz4u



Is this a matter of opinion or the official stance of SIGIL?

Heh. If Brad McQuaid tried to pass this game off as ready, or as what he wanted it to be at launch, he'd get laughed at. I think even he knows the game's got a ways to go.



The same cannot be said for some of the more enthusiastic fans of VG.

Kyleran

Originally posted by healz4u

Originally posted by Thamoris



Vanguard is now at the point it should have been at launch and will continue to better with each update and run of fixes.

Is this a matter of opinion or the official stance of SIGIL?





Thank you in advance.I agree, am going to have to call shenanigan's on the assertion that VG is ready for launch. Gonna have to verify with that from some friends still playing....but I don't believe they would agree with this assessment.

sepher

In short, nope.



Considering the pace Sigil has worked at in the last 3 months, I honestly doubt if Vanguard would be ready for "release" even a year from now. It's so fundamentally incomplete and flawed that it's difficult to worry about things like helm graphics when the engine is still so terrible, and will continue to be.



I like Starr Long's mantra of game design "stable, fast and fun; in that order." Sigil obviously thought fun could be had in the presence of systemic stability and performance issues permeating the game.



When beta is considered, exactly how long has my abomination been disappearing at chunk lines for example? Sorry but, I don't have much faith in Vanguard being newly Unreal 3 driven, with environmental shadows, reflective water, anti-alias and all that goodness; with zero chunk times, playing smoothly with 30+ people on the screen, and so on in another 9 months when I'm still dealing with hitching across a pop-up book terrain and my torch turning off at chunk lines.



It's probably really nothing that they can do to fix the game. As Lidane likes to point out, they're merely hoping hardware will come along that'll sorta mask the fundamental problems of the engine if not completely rectify them (which is highly unlikely).



Maybe when they upgrade to the Unreal 3 engine eventually, they'll be able to solve a lot of flaws in the game without introducing new ones. Until then...I don't believe Vanguard can change at ALL besides piling new content ontop of a broken foundation that shows itself in everything.

Orphes

Originally posted by Lidane

Originally posted by healz4u



Is this a matter of opinion or the official stance of SIGIL?

Heh. If Brad McQuaid tried to pass this game off as ready, or as what he wanted it to be at launch, he'd get laughed at. I think even he knows the game's got a ways to go.



The same cannot be said for some of the more enthusiastic fans of VG.

So uhm youre actually calling those that enjoy the game for fools.



Sorry to say but I think you just wasted the credabilty you had, in my eyes, after your 10 day trial review.

Dicharek

Since Sigil openly admitted they released it many months before they wanted to, then yes, to early.

sepher

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by Lidane

Originally posted by healz4u



Is this a matter of opinion or the official stance of SIGIL?

Heh. If Brad McQuaid tried to pass this game off as ready, or as what he wanted it to be at launch, he'd get laughed at. I think even he knows the game's got a ways to go.



The same cannot be said for some of the more enthusiastic fans of VG.

So uhm youre actually calling those that enjoy the game for fools.



Sorry to say but I think you just wasted the credabilty you had, in my eyes, after your 10 day trial review. By your logic, so long as one person enjoys the game, it isn't credible to say what Lidane did.



I believe it's perfectly credible in a billion dollar market with millions of players to make quite a few judgments about the "second most expensive MMO ever" that's doing likely a hundred times worse than the most expensive MMO ever.



Anyway, the most Brad has said is that the game is "good" enough for release, not ready. I don't think he's changed his tune since and announced that Vanguard is now ready for release. Not that he ever would, but he could at least announce when they feel they've caught up. They never will though. On the contrary, all Brad has been doing is apologizing and coming to a few realizations.



It's possible to enjoy the game and still admit to every single one of it's faults. You're only a fool if you attempt to disbelieve them, especially when they've come out of the CEO's mouth.

MX13

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by dimmit77

  January 31 to april 16 is 5 months? Wow!

So I'm a little out of it.  I was up all night at a night club...so sue me.   Just come back in another month and this statement will be true.  It'll be April of 2008 before this game is really ready for launch.

Actually, come back in a month and it will be 3 1/2 months. June 30th will be 5 months.

Amathe

Originally posted by Thamoris


Vanguard has been live for 2.5 months ( 10 weeks )...not 5 months....went live at the end of January.
Sigil admitted before the game even launched that it was launching too early and that they needed more time. Everybody and their mother already knew the game was launching in a " not ready" state. That fact was publicaly announced long before the game went live by the game developers themselves!
Vanguard is now at the point it should have been at launch and will continue to better with each update and run of fixes.

Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens;

bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens;

having a Vanboi to yank on my string;

these are a few of my least favorite things.

Sioned

it wasnt released 3 month to early .... it was released 6-8 month to early

MX13

Originally posted by Sioned

it wasnt released 3 month to early .... it was released 6-8 month to early

I'd agree with that. I'm still having fun playing though, but I agree with that...

logicbomb82

This game rocks as is. They have fixed the major bugs and it is very playable and fun.  If you can't look past the bugs then your missing a very good game.