Star wars galaxies clone?

Rollotamasi

Originally posted by musicmann


You can throw all the legal stuff you like to me, it's not gonna affect me at all. Like i said though, until something is actually done or some type of injuction is made and the whole process of what they are doing is brought to a halt, i tend to think it will happen with alot of SWG vet fanfair and little intervention form thre others. If LEC or GL hasn't done anything yet, i tend to think they won't.
Lets take all the SW fan made movies you can watch on youtube and other places. Wouldn't that be copyright infringment and all. They are making movies with SW  themes and origional movie characters. Wheres the lawsuits and injuctions for those.
As long as money isn't being made from anything that involves a SW related theme, idea, game or whatever, i think GL would see that as a compliment to what he created.
 

This is like arguing with a 5th grader.  You just can't defeat no logic logic.

Dreneth

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

This is like arguing with a 5th grader.  You just can't defeat no logic logic.

I would be willing to bet a 5th grader would have more moral fiber.

Runny123

Originally posted by Warblaze

Originally posted by Runny123

Is there a game in development that will be like pre-cu swg or is out already?

I seriously advise all swg pre-nge players to take a look at the game Fallen Earth wich is in development right now by Icarus studios.

This game will be massive, it will take you several hours to get from one side of the map to the other! Also, there is no class system, everything will be skill based. PvP is going to be awesome, with controlable cities, factions etc etc. Crafting looks verry promising too.  It resembles the old SWG a lot and im sure a lot of you will like the game. It's a sandbox.



Check out Fallen Earth here on mmorpg.com or go to www.fallenearth.com



enjoy Ah cool. It does look nice.

n2k3156

Originally posted by Dreneth

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

This is like arguing with a 5th grader.  You just can't defeat no logic logic.

I would be willing to bet a 5th grader would have more moral fiber.

Dude, get over yourself. Playing an emulated game is not the end all, be all of sin.

adders666

to be honest here, it is not illegal untill it is distributed, and scince that has not happened yet, there is no arguement, its like saying stargate worlds is rubbish, even tho it is in pre alpha and no one knows a hare of it, whats the point of linking a court order for somthing blizzard had in court for a SoE game?? come on there is no SWGEmu yet, so whats the big deal lol, anyway back to original subject, i too am looking for a new game for me and the wife to play that is like pre pub 9 SWG, having just quit wow and having played nearly every mainstream mmorpg there is, CoH, VG, D&DO, GW ect. ect. was wondering what u guys thought of EQ2 weather it is a viable choice for a couple of n00bs to start playing now, i did play it at launch but had to get rid of my account (sold my jedi ) has the game changed all that much and if so is it

a) better then it was at launch?

b) populated on EU servers?

c) populated at low levels for groups ect.?

when i played the game the engine was totally unoptimized and was nearly unplayable on mid/topend hardware at the time, but what i did get to play was dare i say it equal to or better then SWG was (well it had the potential to be anyway)

let me know what u guys think?

Dreneth

Originally posted by n2k3156



Dude, get over yourself. Playing an emulated game is not the end all, be all of sin.

Didn't say it was... but it is still illegal.  Some of us have enough common sense not to get involved in that sort of pathetic behavior.  Intellectual Property laws are in place for a reason.  You don't have to agree with them, you just have to follow them.

Rollotamasi

Originally posted by Dreneth

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

This is like arguing with a 5th grader.  You just can't defeat no logic logic.

I would be willing to bet a 5th grader would have more moral fiber. I guess the thing that bothers me about this is that people try to justify it by saying that it is legal.  I would at least have a small bit of respect for the the people making/supporting the project if they just came out and said "Yeah, we are stealing someones IP  and we don't care".  But instead they try to justify it by saying its legal to make themselves feel less like the crooks they are.

Dreneth

Originally posted by adders666


to be honest here, it is not illegal untill it is distributed, and scince that has not happened yet, there is no arguement, its like saying stargate worlds is rubbish, even tho it is in pre alpha and no one knows a hare of it, whats the point of linking a court order for somthing blizzard had in court for a SoE game?? come on there is no SWGEmu yet, so whats the big deal lol

Why don't you read up on the law before you start commenting on it, eh?  You are mistaken in your assumptions, and the Blizzard case directly relates to the SWGEmu project, as it is the same set of laws being broken in exactly the same way.

JPR1985

Considering the swgemu ppl are not charging to play, and only take donations, why should la or soe care about swgemu? What they are gonna take the last 10 subs from swg? Gimme a break. And btw, the client to connect to swgemu server, there are at least 2 clients that were built and not made form a modified official client. Get your facts straight.

Dreneth

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

I guess the thing that bothers me about this is that people try to justify it by saying that it is legal.  I would at least have a small bit of respect for the the people making/supporting the project if they just came out and said "Yeah, we are stealing someones IP  and we don't care".  But instead they try to justify it by saying its legal to make themselves feel less like the crooks they are.

Exactly...  it just makes them seem all that more low.  It's unfortunate too, because it might have been interesting to see if they could have gotten the project licensed.  But alas, such is not the case.

ajax7

Didn't Smead say, that he wasn't going after these guys he knows he screwed all the SWG players.

Any ways by the time they finish with the EMU I'd say about 2 years nobody is going to care.

By that time STO will be out.

Any ways once they release code to the net, it will spread like a virus I could have my own server how cool.

Your just worried that the current game is dieing, which it is!  With each new mmorpg release it will loose more and more peeps.

In fact AoC and Pirates of the Burning Sea should just about finish SWG, I hope.

adders666

i did read the pdf that you linked, all i am trying to say... how does it effect anyone? its not been released, dont look like it will be released for a long time, and when it does get released who cares? SoE will jump on it i am sure, there is just no point in the arguement, the original question was whether there was a game coming out like SWG pre CU iirc and i read thru every post with amazement that you could argue so fiercly about somthing that hasnt even hit the public and wont for a very long time, its just bewildering is all, i dont condone pirate software or reverse engineering in any way and i belive that SWG was a great game in its time, but if a bunch of dudes want to spend 100,000 hours sat in their loft reverse engineering a MMO then so be it, its the same as me sitting in front of my computer tying to work out why you guys would argue over a moot point imho

Dreneth

Originally posted by JPR1985


Considering the swgemu ppl are not charging to play, and only take donations, why should la or soe care about swgemu? What they are gonna take the last 10 subs from swg? Gimme a break. And btw, the client to connect to swgemu server, there are at least 2 clients that were built and not made form a modified official client. Get your facts straight.

They should absolutely care about it... as their INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY IS BEING STOLEN.  And as for the 10 subscriptions lost... you are mistaken... the SWGEmu website has over 10,000 registered users... and that is way pre-launch of SWGEmu.  As for the client, I do not think you are correct, as there are instructions on the SWGEmu website relating to modifying the SWG client for use with SWGEmu.  After the last SWG update... the SWGEmu site reported how to get it working again for SWGEmu.

sololoco

Logic would dictate to think it's illegal. But none of us really knows what or who is behind this, only what you read. Think about it for a second. Do you really think whatever group is behind this will put this much effort into a project like this if  they couldn't bring it out?  Obviously, they must know what they're doing. Apparently this game is coming out so it may not be as illegal as people think.

Loop holes, paid money, a piece of the action, there are many ways of going around things.  And most of all don't forget who is behind the SWG out now, Sony, and we all know how they are and what they're capable of.  Especially with Smedley running the show.

Terranah

Lots of things are illegal and people do them every day.  How many people drive over the speed limit.  Even one mile per hour over the speed limit is illegal,  LOL.  How many people rip songs to their mp3 players or hard drives?  Think about every time you video tape a movie.  At one time that was considered illegal by many people.  And if you want to be a stickler, how many people lie...cheat on their wives, etc...those two are against the Ten Commandments. 

Personally, precu is gone, and as Sony has stated, it will never come back.  If precu swg has no value to them, let someone else come up with an emulator so peeps can use the game disc they paid for.  I'd be willing to pay someone for the service.  Maybe it will be SOE, but I don't think so because they don't want any money for a precu SWG, otherwise they would have made a classic server already.

If and when SWG emulator is ready, I am guessing SONY will suddenly change there opinion that precu swg does infact have value, contrary to everything they have said thus far. 

jor8888

Stargate and StarTrek are suppose to follow the books/story of the TV series.  SWG failed b/c it never had anything from the books.

Dreneth

Originally posted by ajax7


Your just worried that the current game is dieing, which it is!  With each new mmorpg release it will loose more and more peeps.

Read my sig... I haven't played SWG in years, and I couldn't care less if it fails.  I am interested in the principle behind IP law.  Theft of intellectual property is illegal, and should be shut down whenever it happens.

JPR1985

Originally posted by Dreneth

Originally posted by JPR1985


Considering the swgemu ppl are not charging to play, and only take donations, why should la or soe care about swgemu? What they are gonna take the last 10 subs from swg? Gimme a break. And btw, the client to connect to swgemu server, there are at least 2 clients that were built and not made form a modified official client. Get your facts straight.

They should absolutely care about it... as their INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY IS BEING STOLEN.  And as for the 10 subscriptions lost... you are mistaken... the SWGEmu website has over 10,000 registered users... and that is way pre-launch of SWGEmu.  As for the client, I do not think you are correct, as there are instructions on the SWGEmu website relating to modifying the SWG client for use with SWGEmu.  After the last SWG update... the SWGEmu site reported how to get it working again for SWGEmu.

 

I think u misread me when I said they would lose the LAST f their 10 members (hinting their game has so few subs) and actually its more like 8k members, but in any case, most of them dont even play swg anymore cause of the cu+nge. Why should you care how they spend their time? Are you like an soe official trying to do some propaganda to eliminate the swgemu threat? Smells fishy to me..

adders666

Originally posted by JPR1985

Originally posted by Dreneth

Originally posted by JPR1985


Considering the swgemu ppl are not charging to play, and only take donations, why should la or soe care about swgemu? What they are gonna take the last 10 subs from swg? Gimme a break. And btw, the client to connect to swgemu server, there are at least 2 clients that were built and not made form a modified official client. Get your facts straight.

They should absolutely care about it... as their INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY IS BEING STOLEN.  And as for the 10 subscriptions lost... you are mistaken... the SWGEmu website has over 10,000 registered users... and that is way pre-launch of SWGEmu.  As for the client, I do not think you are correct, as there are instructions on the SWGEmu website relating to modifying the SWG client for use with SWGEmu.  After the last SWG update... the SWGEmu site reported how to get it working again for SWGEmu.

 

I think u misread me when I said they would lose the LAST f their 10 members (hinting their game has so few subs) and actually its more like 8k members, but in any case, most of them dont even play swg anymore cause of the cu+nge. Why should you care how they spend their time? Are you like an soe official trying to do some propaganda to eliminate the swgemu threat? Smells fishy to me..

lol he does seem a tad zelous about the IP law i think he is a worker for FACT or somthing ROFL

Dreneth

Originally posted by Terranah


Lots of things are illegal and people do them every day.  How many people drive over the speed limit.  Even one mile per hour over the speed limit is illegal,  LOL.  How many people rip songs to their mp3 players or hard drives?  Think about every time you video tape a movie.  At one time that was considered illegal by many people.  And if you want to be a stickler, how many people lie...cheat on their wives, etc...those two are against the Ten Commandments. 

 

Sooo... simply because people participate in illegal activity... what's one more crime going to harm?  Grow up a little, eh?

 

Originally posted by Terranah


Personally, precu is gone, and as Sony has stated, it will never come back.  If precu swg has no value to them, let someone else come up with an emulator so peeps can use the game disc they paid for.  I'd be willing to pay someone for the service.  Maybe it will be SOE, but I don't think so because they don't want any money for a precu SWG, otherwise they would have made a classic server already.

 

You clearly do not understand Intellectual Property law, or the principle of the argument against emulation.  You do not get to choose what can or cannot be done with material you do not own the copyrights for.  Get licensed or get stuffed.

 

Originally posted by Terranah


If and when SWG emulator is ready, I am guessing SONY will suddenly change there opinion that precu swg does infact have value, contrary to everything they have said thus far. 

 

If and when the SWGEmu emulator is finished, I would love to see a classic server released to give SOE and LA more weight in court when they sue the SWGEmu team.

Now... if the SWGEmu team gets licensed...  I will happily support them.  Until then... shut them down.

JPR1985

Originally posted by adders666

Originally posted by JPR1985

Originally posted by Dreneth

Originally posted by JPR1985


Considering the swgemu ppl are not charging to play, and only take donations, why should la or soe care about swgemu? What they are gonna take the last 10 subs from swg? Gimme a break. And btw, the client to connect to swgemu server, there are at least 2 clients that were built and not made form a modified official client. Get your facts straight.

They should absolutely care about it... as their INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY IS BEING STOLEN.  And as for the 10 subscriptions lost... you are mistaken... the SWGEmu website has over 10,000 registered users... and that is way pre-launch of SWGEmu.  As for the client, I do not think you are correct, as there are instructions on the SWGEmu website relating to modifying the SWG client for use with SWGEmu.  After the last SWG update... the SWGEmu site reported how to get it working again for SWGEmu.

 

I think u misread me when I said they would lose the LAST f their 10 members (hinting their game has so few subs) and actually its more like 8k members, but in any case, most of them dont even play swg anymore cause of the cu+nge. Why should you care how they spend their time? Are you like an soe official trying to do some propaganda to eliminate the swgemu threat? Smells fishy to me..

lol he does seem a tad zelous about the IP law i think he is a worker for FACT or somthing ROFL

 

yup wouldnt be surprised...

grimboj

People - the emu is incredibly illegal because it directly infringes on SOEs intellectual property patents for the server code. Deliberately recoding something to avoid paying intellectual property to its original owner is about as illegal as you can get.

Dreneth

Originally posted by JPR1985


I think u misread me when I said they would lose the LAST f their 10 members (hinting their game has so few subs) and actually its more like 8k members, but in any case, most of them dont even play swg anymore cause of the cu+nge. Why should you care how they spend their time? Are you like an soe official trying to do some propaganda to eliminate the swgemu threat? Smells fishy to me..

LMFAO - You are supporting illegal activity... and you call my posting here fishy??  ROFLMAO!!

JPR1985

Originally posted by Dreneth

Originally posted by JPR1985


I think u misread me when I said they would lose the LAST f their 10 members (hinting their game has so few subs) and actually its more like 8k members, but in any case, most of them dont even play swg anymore cause of the cu+nge. Why should you care how they spend their time? Are you like an soe official trying to do some propaganda to eliminate the swgemu threat? Smells fishy to me..

LMFAO - You are supporting illegal activity... and you call my posting here fishy??  ROFLMAO!!

 

ill bet you my house you download music.

And whats more fishy, someone who wants to play one of the best gaming experience they ever had, or someone who is making it their strongest effort to close down a project due to liscences.

Cmon now..

Dreneth

Originally posted by adders666



lol he does seem a tad zelous about the IP law i think he is a worker for FACT or somthing ROFL

I have no ties to SWG through any related company, association, or agreement.  Hell, I won't play an SOE game if you paid me.  I am an artist as well as a programmer, and Intellectual Property rights are important to people like me.  So, when I see someone hacking themselves a copy of someone else's work, it pisses me off.

If you want to support illegal activity, that's your bag.  I don't.  It's as simple as that.