That happend at a club i used to frequent in oakland. I was actually there that night too, boy was I glad I went in stoned.
omg that is crazy.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
This is horrible. My heart goes out to their family and friends. What pisses me off without reason is how they are always saying " gunman identity not released".. WHO GIVES A CRAP. Show the victims and let people know the families need help. No wonder these shootings happen, someone is considering suicide and decides to off themselves + 30 others and get a little vain attention on the side.
You want to lower the amount of shootings? stop airing them 24/7 and leave the shooters name out of it.
Talking about ways to mass-murder people on a day like today is in the poorest of taste.
What is it with you people and justifying guns, the blood hasnt even dried yet, and you guys are in here trying to justify guns.
Get some taste, you all make me sick (those who are discussing methods of mass murder)
The gun control advocates started it. I view guns as a defense from these murderers...I don't know why I am "sick". I'm not saying we should arm students but maybe we should get some school personnel carrying them....or do you not trust school personnel?
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Talking about ways to mass-murder people on a day like today is in the poorest of taste.
What is it with you people and justifying guns, the blood hasnt even dried yet, and you guys are in here trying to justify guns.
Get some taste, you all make me sick (those who are discussing methods of mass murder)
The gun control advocates started it. I view guns as a defense from these murderers...I don't know why I am "sick". I'm not saying we should arm students but maybe we should get some school personnel carrying them....or do you not trust school personnel? Maybe make sure people with psychological problems don't get to a point where they start shooting people. Just an idea.
Talking about ways to mass-murder people on a day like today is in the poorest of taste.
What is it with you people and justifying guns, the blood hasnt even dried yet, and you guys are in here trying to justify guns.
Get some taste, you all make me sick (those who are discussing methods of mass murder)
The gun control advocates started it. I view guns as a defense from these murderers...I don't know why I am "sick". I'm not saying we should arm students but maybe we should get some school personnel carrying them....or do you not trust school personnel?
I think we should spend the day morning, and relfecting on our own lives, and families.
There will be plenty of time for finger pointing and gun toating later.
This is a REAL tragedy that is happening right NOW, involving real PEOPLE.
I dont care who started it, you all make me feel equally nauseous.
Oh come on... There are thousands of real tragedies with real people goin on all the time. Right now some kid is hiding in his/her room somwhere because his/her dad is beatin up mam, again. Depending on where you live there are homeless families wandering the streets. Right now a woman gets raped. Right now someone is dying in a car accident. Right now someone is fighting against cancer. No, dozens of them. Life is full of tragedyn most of it unjust. Right now there are innocent people in death row. Right now some kid in a prison in Mongolia gets tortured to death for stealing a cell phone. Right now hundreds of families are mourning their loved ones that died in suicide bombings in Baghdad. Right now some miner is stuck in a Chinese mine, desperate to get out, knowing very well his buddies don't have the equipment to get him out.
I'm sorry, but I have to feel sorry for all of them. Not just the ones that make the news. I'm sorry.
Madace, learn to not murder a thread by posting size limits on the crap you copy and paste.
Look I'll be savage with you , America has every one of those cultures in it, and pretty much every single one from the south african coast to russias tip.
Bottomline, our culture is the worlds. America is not some inhabitted by a single people (not now atleast) it's literally the worlds biggest melting pot.
You'd have to actually live or spend a decent amount of time to know that america = world's culture rolled up into on big continent.
Since we're gonna play the "no longer belgium it's europe" lets add all of south america and north america to the table.
I still win with vast size of territory.
You will deny that European culture shares direct roots with eachother? You'd actually deny that? Wow.
We're no longer comparing belgium to the US, it's Europe to the US, lets toss in all the south american/canadian cities in there too then.
Well what do you know, it's still a win situation. You want to add africa to your list ? Or the middle east? Because I think I have some room for our colonies and providences , including the one in the artic.
Hell the cradle of religion? GG for the world, You also fail to mention that europe also is the cradle of Facism, Tyrants, and mass genocide.
Don't play off that europe is all enlightened with me. For every crappy thing america does now, chances are it's been a standard in some european country some time or another.
Hey since you are now expanding europe in our Belgium -US crime rate, does that mean that you are taking credit for those death camps in the 40's? Or the kosovo stuff?
Hey are cradling facist regims? Oh oh! You had russia in there! Yeah they've totally been humanitarian.
See you added a bunch of crap to your once "good belgium".
Heres also a no brainer, in a country like kosovo is killing the enemy considered a homicide? No, but it's still murder.
How about all those other countries with the death parades? Are those homicides?
How about all those under developed eastern europe countries you think they track their murder ratios?
In conclusion, I don't think you look at all the angles, not a bad thing really. But it leads to closed mindedness.
Why does this happen far more often in the US than all other countries combined? In fact, virtually all of these kinds of mass killings happen in the US...why?!
While we're at it....why does the US have far more serial killers than all other countries combined?
Because we have crazy gun laws in this country that make it easy for gunmen to do this.
If people were allowed to carry concealed handguns on campus, then this would have ended VERY quickly! But instead we have people that would rather have a bunch of unarmed people just there for the picking.
Talking about ways to mass-murder people on a day like today is in the poorest of taste.
What is it with you people and justifying guns, the blood hasnt even dried yet, and you guys are in here trying to justify guns.
Get some taste, you all make me sick (those who are discussing methods of mass murder)
The gun control advocates started it. I view guns as a defense from these murderers...I don't know why I am "sick". I'm not saying we should arm students but maybe we should get some school personnel carrying them....or do you not trust school personnel?
I think we should spend the day morning, and relfecting on our own lives, and families.
There will be plenty of time for finger pointing and gun toating later.
This is a REAL tragedy that is happening right NOW, involving real PEOPLE.
I dont care who started it, you all make me feel equally nauseous.
Oh come on... There are thousands of real tragedies with real people goin on all the time. Right now some kid is hiding in his/her room somwhere because his/her dad is beatin up mam, again. Depending on where you live there are homeless families wandering the streets. Right now a woman gets raped. Right now someone is dying in a car accident. Right now someone is fighting against cancer. No, dozens of them. Life is full of tragedyn most of it unjust. Right now there are innocent people in death row. Right now some kid in a prison in Mongolia gets tortured to death for stealing a cell phone. Right now hundreds of families are mourning their loved ones that died in suicide bombings in Baghdad. Right now some miner is stuck in a Chinese mine, desperate to get out, knowing very well his buddies don't have the equipment to get him out.
I'm sorry, but I have to feel sorry for all of them. Not just the ones that make the news. I'm sorry.
This isnt a real tragedy ? Regardless of what is going on in the world, at the moment there is a thread on mmorpg.com where a group of people on their high horses are trying to justify gun ownership by giving examples of mass homicedes only a handfull of hours after a mass homiced. Its called decorum.
Right now someone wants me to not care about the families of 32 Americans purely because of a pre-concieved idea that i dont care equally for all other people.
As i said in another thread
"While you all were protesting the war in Iraq, while jerking off to your penthouse magazines. over 3.8million people were killed in the Democratic republic of Congo..... and you didnt even notice"
So what exactly are you saying, we should abandon empathy and sympathy ?
I can do nothing but nod, it's the truth.
The problem is friend , humanity is starting to care less and less about themselves and more into what resources are left to take.
It's a shift to the dark ages , except now we are highly learned individuals with the same savage tactics we used in those days.
In essence mankind slips from humanity and all that is left is a shell.
Why does this happen far more often in the US than all other countries combined? In fact, virtually all of these kinds of mass killings happen in the US...why?!
While we're at it....why does the US have far more serial killers than all other countries combined?
Because we have crazy gun laws in this country that make it easy for gunmen to do this.
If people were allowed to carry concealed handguns on campus, then this would have ended VERY quickly! But instead we have people that would rather have a bunch of unarmed people just there for the picking.
Yep they disarm those who are "good" and enable the "bad guys" to have the upper hand.
Talking about ways to mass-murder people on a day like today is in the poorest of taste.
What is it with you people and justifying guns, the blood hasnt even dried yet, and you guys are in here trying to justify guns.
Get some taste, you all make me sick (those who are discussing methods of mass murder)
The gun control advocates started it. I view guns as a defense from these murderers...I don't know why I am "sick". I'm not saying we should arm students but maybe we should get some school personnel carrying them....or do you not trust school personnel? I'll say it then. If a law abiding person (student or whatever) want to carry a gun for self-defense, then let them!!! It would have ended this whole thing very quickly. But instead we have this gun phobia that takes control of people's common sense. A law abiding citizen carrying a gun is just that, a law abiding citizen carrying a gun. And they are a deterrent to crime.
Why does this happen far more often in the US than all other countries combined? In fact, virtually all of these kinds of mass killings happen in the US...why?!
While we're at it....why does the US have far more serial killers than all other countries combined?
Because we have crazy gun laws in this country that make it easy for gunmen to do this.
If people were allowed to carry concealed handguns on campus, then this would have ended VERY quickly! But instead we have people that would rather have a bunch of unarmed people just there for the picking.
Yep they disarm those who are "good" and enable the "bad guys" to have the upper hand.
Exactly. And it makes me really angry that people are so gun phobic that they check their common sense at the door.
If someone has a fear of guns then they shouldn't own one. But leave the law abiding citizens who know how to use them the freedom to carry one. They may be the person that saves your life when something like this happens around you.
Madace, learn to not murder a thread by posting size limits on the crap you copy and paste.
Look I'll be savage with you , America has every one of those cultures in it, and pretty much every single one from the south african coast to russias tip. No, it does not. And not by far in such vast concentration and in such vast representations and in such purity. In Europe hundreds of cultures are lived in their original context and in their original enrinoment and in their original language. Which can't be said by the US. And Europe has colonized a large portion of the globe. Hence why it has many, many immigrant populations. Also, the mere fact that Europe has had more wars than the US has states means something, doesn't it? It means that conflicting interests and conflicting counries/cultures are vast enough to form a sizeable combat force. I pointed out with clear figures that the vast majority of the "cultures" in the US is that of the European immigrants, which have long blended into a homogenous group and culture.
Bottomline, our culture is the worlds. America is not some inhabitted by a single people (not now atleast) it's literally the worlds biggest melting pot. Your culture? I'm not going to deny the US doesn't have a very distinct culture. But very few of those elements haven't found their origins in Europe. From democracy over basketball to hamburgers... All European. And I'd say Europe is one of the biggest melting pots in the world. But then we have Africa, or even single countries like China and Kenia that represent hundreds of languages and cultures too. I suggest you read up a bit about... the world. It's really impressive. Or at least read up about the colonial history of Great-Britain and France and Spain and Portugal and Holland and how they sucked up dozens of cultures...
You'd have to actually live or spend a decent amount of time to know that america = world's culture rolled up into on big continent. I suggest you travell outside of America for a fair amount of time. Prepare for a shock.
Since we're gonna play the "no longer belgium it's europe" lets add all of south america and north america to the table. I still win with vast size of territory. You win what?
You will deny that European culture shares direct roots with eachother? You'd actually deny that? Wow. I don't deny that, since I believe in the Out OF Africa Theory which states that all of mankind stams from the same tribe. But if you would study the history of Europe then you would know that cultural differences started appearing about 200K years ago...
We're no longer comparing belgium to the US, it's Europe to the US, lets toss in all the south american/canadian cities in there too then. Dude, are you braindead? You stated that the US and Belgium aren't comparable, since you dismiss basic statistics and basicdemographic facts. So I throw in Europe...
Is it so hard to accept that the US has vastly higher crime rates than many other developed nations? Even if you group those developed nations in something that's comparable in size and population? The main discussion was very simply that you don't believe in statistis, even if every major governing organisation in the world uses them, inluding the US government and the UN. You said that the US is larger in size, has larger population density and more people in them. So I prove with Europe that that doesn't mean shit if you want to compare crime rates. You didn't even read those links I gave you, did you? How pathetic. Well what do you know, it's still a win situation. You want to add africa to your list ? Or the middle east? Because I think I have some room for our colonies and providences , including the one in the artic. Why would I want to do that? WTF does that have to do with the discussion?
Hell the cradle of religion? GG for the world, You also fail to mention that europe also is the cradle of Facism, Tyrants, and mass genocide. And isn't it amazing that depsite all those apparent deficiencies in "evil" ideologies there STILL are less homocides, proportional to the population...
Don't play off that europe is all enlightened with me. For every crappy thing america does now, chances are it's been a standard in some european country some time or another. What in the name of God does that have to do with the fucking discussion? Did you see a butterfly and are you having a hard time getting back in the conversation? I never said Europe did or didn't, I didn't even mention enlightenment or other crap...
Hey since you are now expanding europe in our Belgium -US crime rate, does that mean that you are taking credit for those death camps in the 40's? Or the kosovo stuff? Again... What in the name of whatever DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH A COMPARISON BETWEEN TODAYS CRIME RATES IN THE US AND THE EU/BELGIUM?
Hey are cradling facist regims? Oh oh! You had russia in there! Yeah they've totally been humanitarian. What are you ON ABOUT?
See you added a bunch of crap to your once "good belgium". It's about crime rates... Today... Not about... ANYTHING ELSE. GROW AND WAKE UP.
Heres also a no brainer, in a country like kosovo is killing the enemy considered a homicide? No, but it's still murder. Wait... Should I start counting the death toll in Iraq or something? Why are you dragging this cliché, undereducated bullshit in this discussion?
How about all those other countries with the death parades? Are those homicides? Death parades? I have done some drugs, but other than H2SO4 injected in the brain I can't think of any substance that could have an effect like I see on you now...
How about all those under developed eastern europe countries you think they track their murder ratios? OF COURSE THEY'RE INCLUDED IN THE FUCKING STATISTICS!
In conclusion, I don't think you look at all the angles, not a bad thing really. But it leads to closed mindedness. <mod edit>
Talking about ways to mass-murder people on a day like today is in the poorest of taste.
What is it with you people and justifying guns, the blood hasnt even dried yet, and you guys are in here trying to justify guns.
Get some taste, you all make me sick (those who are discussing methods of mass murder)
The gun control advocates started it. I view guns as a defense from these murderers...I don't know why I am "sick". I'm not saying we should arm students but maybe we should get some school personnel carrying them....or do you not trust school personnel?
I think we should spend the day morning, and relfecting on our own lives, and families.
There will be plenty of time for finger pointing and gun toating later.
This is a REAL tragedy that is happening right NOW, involving real PEOPLE.
I dont care who started it, you all make me feel equally nauseous.
Oh come on... There are thousands of real tragedies with real people goin on all the time. Right now some kid is hiding in his/her room somwhere because his/her dad is beatin up mam, again. Depending on where you live there are homeless families wandering the streets. Right now a woman gets raped. Right now someone is dying in a car accident. Right now someone is fighting against cancer. No, dozens of them. Life is full of tragedyn most of it unjust. Right now there are innocent people in death row. Right now some kid in a prison in Mongolia gets tortured to death for stealing a cell phone. Right now hundreds of families are mourning their loved ones that died in suicide bombings in Baghdad. Right now some miner is stuck in a Chinese mine, desperate to get out, knowing very well his buddies don't have the equipment to get him out.
I'm sorry, but I have to feel sorry for all of them. Not just the ones that make the news. I'm sorry.
This isnt a real tragedy ? Regardless of what is going on in the world, at the moment there is a thread on mmorpg.com where a group of people on their high horses are trying to justify gun ownership by giving examples of mass homicedes only a handfull of hours after a mass homiced. Its called decorum.
Right now someone wants me to not care about the families of 32 Americans purely because of a pre-concieved idea that i dont care equally for all other people.
As i said in another thread
"While you all were protesting the war in Iraq, while jerking off to your penthouse magazines. over 3.8million people were killed in the Democratic republic of Congo..... and you didnt even notice"
So what exactly are you saying, we should abandon empathy and sympathy ?
Try to read the big red font. Try, with propper help, to understand them. Please try.
I never, ever said it wasn't a real tragedy. I just said that in stead of only feeling sorry for the tragedies that hit the news we should try to feel sorry FOR EVERY FUCKING TRAGEDY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!
I read through about half of the posts here, so I may be repeating some stuff.
Someone mentioned that the U.S. was very violent compared to other countries (like Belgium), and asked why that was. It is my opinion that this is the case because of the difference between systems. The U.S. is capitalist, "most" other countries (nation-states) are socialist. This is not to say that other countries aren't capitalist, just that those that are have socialism in the mix as well; this includes the U.K., Australia, etc. The U.S. is "the most capitalist" out of every nation-state in the world.
What does this mean for the U.S.? A higher gap between rich and poor. Poverty breeds crime, and crime breeds murder. Now it's true that all crime does not occur because of poverty. However, a very large portion of it does - which is undeniable. In socialist nation-states, or in capitalist nation-states that mix in socialism, crime is lower - that fact cannot be disputed (even statistically). The only thing that closely resembles some sort of socialism in the U.S. is social security, medicare and welfare, all of which are complete jokes, and social security and medicare are almost bankrupt. I should also mention that if a person is in dire poverty in the U.S., social security and medicare do not matter, and welfare is nothing but a pittance.
Don't get me wrong, I am not advocating that the U.S. should adopt socialism fully, just some aspects of socialism, such as universal health care. Imagine the money the U.S. could have put into a universal health care system if the U.S. hadn't gone to war with Iraq. And for those that argue that their tax dollars shouldn't go to "lazy bums," I guess you're saying that your taxes should go to a war that cannot be won instead? Look at it this way. In the case of universal health care (and many other possible programs) both the rich and the poor benefit, not to mention the middle-class, in more ways than one.
Ultimately, my point is this. There is more crime in the U.S. mainly due to the disparity that exists between the rich and the poor due to extreme capitalism. There needs to be a balance in government and economic systems. Extremism is never good no matter what the subject matter is, communism is a case-in-point as well, which is why it has been evident over the years that it does not work.
The key is balance.
Bless the families and friends of the dead at V.T. today. May they be able to get on with their lives at some point in time.
Madace, learn to not murder a thread by posting size limits on the crap you copy and paste.
Look I'll be savage with you , America has every one of those cultures in it, and pretty much every single one from the south african coast to russias tip. No, it does not. And not by far in such vast concentration and in such vast representations and in such purity. In Europe hundreds of cultures are lived in their original context and in their original enrinoment and in their original language. Which can't be said by the US. And Europe has colonized a large portion of the globe. Hence why it has many, many immigrant populations. Also, the mere fact that Europe has had more wars than the US has states means something, doesn't it? It means that conflicting interests and conflicting counries/cultures are vast enough to form a sizeable combat force. I pointed out with clear figures that the vast majority of the "cultures" in the US is that of the European immigrants, which have long blended into a homogenous group and culture. Who cares about concentrations, the point is it does. I call BS on people living in the same context, war has changed their culture so many times they don't even know if their culture is the true culture. 300k+ time does that. And how do you know about these immigrants blending in? I can walk my ass down the Russian side of town and it looks very much like russia would look minus the really cool buildings (some are present) and the cold, I can head my ass down to china town and speak mandarin just to get a table over at the best ramen stand there is. You don't know if these people change,quite a few do infact take on the banner of "USA" but so many hold their culture dear. My grandfather is a personal case, old irish bastard, good guy. Bottomline, our culture is the worlds. America is not some inhabitted by a single people (not now atleast) it's literally the worlds biggest melting pot. Your culture? I'm not going to deny the US doesn't have a very distinct culture. But very few of those elements haven't found their origins in Europe. From democracy over basketball to hamburgers... All European. And I'd say Europe is one of the biggest melting pots in the world. But then we have Africa, or even single countries like China and Kenia that represent hundreds of languages and cultures too. I suggest you read up a bit about... the world. It's really impressive. Or at least read up about the colonial history of Great-Britain and France and Spain and Portugal and Holland and how they sucked up dozens of cultures... I'm not attempting to deny that majority of our culture comes from europe, it'd be moronic to say so, but thats my point. We are what happens when worlds collide, whether it be arabic or european, african or chinese, we have roots everywhere. Regardless if it's a culture we have it.
You'd have to actually live or spend a decent amount of time to know that america = world's culture rolled up into on big continent. I suggest you travell outside of America for a fair amount of time. Prepare for a shock. I have, and will do so many more times before this year is up, I don't just fester in the states I've travelled mate so don't try and play the card. Since we're gonna play the "no longer belgium it's europe" lets add all of south america and north america to the table. I still win with vast size of territory. You win what? Size of territory still scales up, context sir, so regardless of how many countries you keep adding to your list , I'll still be able to scale the population, after all it's the same game you play.
You will deny that European culture shares direct roots with eachother? You'd actually deny that? Wow. I don't deny that, since I believe in the Out OF Africa Theory which states that all of mankind stams from the same tribe. But if you would study the history of Europe then you would know that cultural differences started appearing about 200K years ago... Yet things remain the same in aspects. I too subscribe to the out of africa theory, it makes the most sense to me. If you studied your own you'd find that things are pretty much all the same, from shamanic stuff to the celt stuff (examples) or if we take arts, it's much the same only slightly different.
We're no longer comparing belgium to the US, it's Europe to the US, lets toss in all the south american/canadian cities in there too then. Dude, are you braindead? You stated that the US and Belgium aren't comparable, since you dismiss basic statistics and basicdemographic facts. So I throw in Europe...
Is it so hard to accept that the US has vastly higher crime rates than many other developed nations? Even if you group those developed nations in something that's comparable in size and population? The main discussion was very simply that you don't believe in statistis, even if every major governing organisation in the world uses them, inluding the US government and the UN. You said that the US is larger in size, has larger population density and more people in them. So I prove with Europe that that doesn't mean shit if you want to compare crime rates. You didn't even read those links I gave you, did you? How pathetic. It's not that we have a higher crime rate, it's that you prat around like you are some perfect civ when we all know for goddamned thats not the truth, every post you make that has anything to do with america is so blatently "Anti" yet you state you aren't, thats what's pathetic. You take your side then try and smile while saying "it's not that I am anti american" when you clearly are. Why would I bother to read any links you present when you can state the information some way or another? See whats pathetic is deferring a person to a bunch of links. Well what do you know, it's still a win situation. You want to add africa to your list ? Or the middle east? Because I think I have some room for our colonies and providences , including the one in the artic. Why would I want to do that? WTF does that have to do with the discussion? Because you went from belgium to the whole damned european continent? I figured you were playing Risk or whatever. Wtf does your expansion let alone your crime rate analytics have to do with this conversation?
Hell the cradle of religion? GG for the world, You also fail to mention that europe also is the cradle of Facism, Tyrants, and mass genocide. And isn't it amazing that depsite all those apparent deficiencies in "evil" ideologies there STILL are less homocides, proportional to the population... Right but genocides thats another thing. You aren't going to account the mass graves as homicides. Or the Tyrant's ordering executions on towns. Try and tell me those didn't/don't happen.
Don't play off that europe is all enlightened with me. For every crappy thing america does now, chances are it's been a standard in some european country some time or another. What in the name of God does that have to do with the fucking discussion? Did you see a butterfly and are you having a hard time getting back in the conversation? I never said Europe did or didn't, I didn't even mention enlightenment or other crap... Because you brought it up kid. Usually when a person says "Cradle of this and that" You are stating just that.
Hey since you are now expanding europe in our Belgium -US crime rate, does that mean that you are taking credit for those death camps in the 40's? Or the kosovo stuff? Again... What in the name of whatever DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH A COMPARISON BETWEEN TODAYS CRIME RATES IN THE US AND THE EU/BELGIUM? I'm doing what you are doing, derailing by adding shit in order to confuse a reader into going "okay".
Hey are cradling facist regims? Oh oh! You had russia in there! Yeah they've totally been humanitarian. What are you ON ABOUT? You added a bunch of countries to your list buddy boy, a few countries are quite screwwed up in their systems of killing civilians, those are murders, and therefor homicides.
See you added a bunch of crap to your once "good belgium". It's about crime rates... Today... Not about... ANYTHING ELSE. GROW AND WAKE UP. Meh you derailed this stuff when you went "European" and not Belgium, grow up yourself, I'm just playing your game.
Heres also a no brainer, in a country like kosovo is killing the enemy considered a homicide? No, but it's still murder. Wait... Should I start counting the death toll in Iraq or something? Why are you dragging this cliché, undereducated bullshit in this discussion? Sure why not?
How about all those other countries with the death parades? Are those homicides? Death parades? I have done some drugs, but other than H2SO4 injected in the brain I can't think of any substance that could have an effect like I see on you now... You sir are oblivious to eastern europe. I can't see where your logic comes from myself, you include ALL of europe in your defense, then when a person mentions the crazy evil stuff THAT STILL GOES ON TODAY, You go into offense mode.
How about all those under developed eastern europe countries you think they track their murder ratios? OF COURSE THEY'RE INCLUDED IN THE FUCKING STATISTICS! GG, of course... Of couse mass graves are always marked.
In conclusion, I don't think you look at all the angles, not a bad thing really. But it leads to closed mindedness. My god... You're advertisement for post-birth abortion. Truly.
My god, you sir are the exact reason why eurpeans should not drink while pregnate. Also Dieinrlthnx
Talking about ways to mass-murder people on a day like today is in the poorest of taste.
What is it with you people and justifying guns, the blood hasnt even dried yet, and you guys are in here trying to justify guns.
Get some taste, you all make me sick (those who are discussing methods of mass murder)
The gun control advocates started it. I view guns as a defense from these murderers...I don't know why I am "sick". I'm not saying we should arm students but maybe we should get some school personnel carrying them....or do you not trust school personnel?I'll say it then. If a law abiding person (student or whatever) want to carry a gun for self-defense, then let them!!! It would have ended this whole thing very quickly. But instead we have this gun phobia that takes control of people's common sense. A law abiding citizen carrying a gun is just that, a law abiding citizen carrying a gun. And they are a deterrent to crime. Just curious
could this guy be a law abiding citizen carrying a gun ?
Atleast till he started shooting people ?
Only when he shot someone did he become non-law abiding.The point is he would be very stupid to try any BS like that because half the student body ALSO has a gun..the other half are probably scared of guns or disagree with them (they'll be taking cover behind gun owner for protection, ironically).
Ever heard the story of the armed criminal who tried to rob a gun store? It's a true story and well it didn't end so well for him. If half the student body had a gun then trying to shoot someone is like trying to rob a gun store.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Madace, learn to not murder a thread by posting size limits on the crap you copy and paste.
Look I'll be savage with you , America has every one of those cultures in it, and pretty much every single one from the south african coast to russias tip. No, it does not. And not by far in such vast concentration and in such vast representations and in such purity. In Europe hundreds of cultures are lived in their original context and in their original enrinoment and in their original language. Which can't be said by the US. And Europe has colonized a large portion of the globe. Hence why it has many, many immigrant populations. Also, the mere fact that Europe has had more wars than the US has states means something, doesn't it? It means that conflicting interests and conflicting counries/cultures are vast enough to form a sizeable combat force. I pointed out with clear figures that the vast majority of the "cultures" in the US is that of the European immigrants, which have long blended into a homogenous group and culture.
Bottomline, our culture is the worlds. America is not some inhabitted by a single people (not now atleast) it's literally the worlds biggest melting pot. Your culture? I'm not going to deny the US doesn't have a very distinct culture. But very few of those elements haven't found their origins in Europe. From democracy over basketball to hamburgers... All European. And I'd say Europe is one of the biggest melting pots in the world. But then we have Africa, or even single countries like China and Kenia that represent hundreds of languages and cultures too. I suggest you read up a bit about... the world. It's really impressive. Or at least read up about the colonial history of Great-Britain and France and Spain and Portugal and Holland and how they sucked up dozens of cultures...
You'd have to actually live or spend a decent amount of time to know that america = world's culture rolled up into on big continent. I suggest you travell outside of America for a fair amount of time. Prepare for a shock.
Since we're gonna play the "no longer belgium it's europe" lets add all of south america and north america to the table. I still win with vast size of territory. You win what?
You will deny that European culture shares direct roots with eachother? You'd actually deny that? Wow. I don't deny that, since I believe in the Out OF Africa Theory which states that all of mankind stams from the same tribe. But if you would study the history of Europe then you would know that cultural differences started appearing about 200K years ago...
We're no longer comparing belgium to the US, it's Europe to the US, lets toss in all the south american/canadian cities in there too then. Dude, are you braindead? You stated that the US and Belgium aren't comparable, since you dismiss basic statistics and basicdemographic facts. So I throw in Europe...
Is it so hard to accept that the US has vastly higher crime rates than many other developed nations? Even if you group those developed nations in something that's comparable in size and population? The main discussion was very simply that you don't believe in statistis, even if every major governing organisation in the world uses them, inluding the US government and the UN. You said that the US is larger in size, has larger population density and more people in them. So I prove with Europe that that doesn't mean shit if you want to compare crime rates. You didn't even read those links I gave you, did you? How pathetic. Well what do you know, it's still a win situation. You want to add africa to your list ? Or the middle east? Because I think I have some room for our colonies and providences , including the one in the artic. Why would I want to do that? WTF does that have to do with the discussion?
Hell the cradle of religion? GG for the world, You also fail to mention that europe also is the cradle of Facism, Tyrants, and mass genocide. And isn't it amazing that depsite all those apparent deficiencies in "evil" ideologies there STILL are less homocides, proportional to the population...
Don't play off that europe is all enlightened with me. For every crappy thing america does now, chances are it's been a standard in some european country some time or another. What in the name of God does that have to do with the fucking discussion? Did you see a butterfly and are you having a hard time getting back in the conversation? I never said Europe did or didn't, I didn't even mention enlightenment or other crap...
Hey since you are now expanding europe in our Belgium -US crime rate, does that mean that you are taking credit for those death camps in the 40's? Or the kosovo stuff? Again... What in the name of whatever DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH A COMPARISON BETWEEN TODAYS CRIME RATES IN THE US AND THE EU/BELGIUM?
Hey are cradling facist regims? Oh oh! You had russia in there! Yeah they've totally been humanitarian. What are you ON ABOUT?
See you added a bunch of crap to your once "good belgium". It's about crime rates... Today... Not about... ANYTHING ELSE. GROW AND WAKE UP.
Heres also a no brainer, in a country like kosovo is killing the enemy considered a homicide? No, but it's still murder. Wait... Should I start counting the death toll in Iraq or something? Why are you dragging this cliché, undereducated bullshit in this discussion?
How about all those other countries with the death parades? Are those homicides? Death parades? I have done some drugs, but other than H2SO4 injected in the brain I can't think of any substance that could have an effect like I see on you now...
How about all those under developed eastern europe countries you think they track their murder ratios? OF COURSE THEY'RE INCLUDED IN THE FUCKING STATISTICS!
In conclusion, I don't think you look at all the angles, not a bad thing really. But it leads to closed mindedness. My god... You're advertisement for post-birth abortion. Truly.
The point is he would be very stupid to try any BS like that because half the student body ALSO has a gun..the other half are probably scared of guns or disagree with them (they'll be taking cover behind gun owner for protection, ironically).
Ever heard the story of the armed criminal who tried to rob a gun store? It's a true story and well it didn't end so well for him. If half the student body had a gun then trying to shoot someone is like trying to rob a gun store.
You mean this guy?
"The following mind-boggling attempt at a crime spree in Washington, DC appeared to be the robber's first (and last), due to his lack of a previous record of violence, and his terminally stupid choices:
1. His target was H&J Leather & Firearms; A gun shop specializing in handguns.
2. The shop was full of customers - firearms customers.
3. To enter the shop, the robber had to step around a marked police patrol car parked at the front door.
4. A uniformed officer was standing at the counter, having coffee before work. Upon seeing the officer, the would-be robber announced a hold-up, and fired a few wild shots from a target pistol. The officer and a clerk promptly returned fire, the police officer with a 9mm GLOCK 17, the clerk with a 50 DESERT EAGLE, assisted by several customers who also drew their guns and fired. The robber was pronounced dead at the scene by Paramedics. Crime scene investigators located 47 expended cartridge cases in the shop. The subsequent autopsy revealed 23 gunshot wounds. Ballistics identified rounds from 7 different weapons. No one else was hurt in the exchange of fire. "
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Yeah that was it, thanks. It shows what happens when a criminal tries to commit a crime against a population who carry concealed weapons.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
The point is he would be very stupid to try any BS like that because half the student body ALSO has a gun..the other half are probably scared of guns or disagree with them (they'll be taking cover behind gun owner for protection, ironically).
Ever heard the story of the armed criminal who tried to rob a gun store? It's a true story and well it didn't end so well for him. If half the student body had a gun then trying to shoot someone is like trying to rob a gun store.
You mean this guy?
"The following mind-boggling attempt at a crime spree in Washington, DC appeared to be the robber's first (and last), due to his lack of a previous record of violence, and his terminally stupid choices:
1. His target was H&J Leather & Firearms; A gun shop specializing in handguns.
2. The shop was full of customers - firearms customers.
3. To enter the shop, the robber had to step around a marked police patrol car parked at the front door.
4. A uniformed officer was standing at the counter, having coffee before work. Upon seeing the officer, the would-be robber announced a hold-up, and fired a few wild shots from a target pistol. The officer and a clerk promptly returned fire, the police officer with a 9mm GLOCK 17, the clerk with a 50 DESERT EAGLE, assisted by several customers who also drew their guns and fired. The robber was pronounced dead at the scene by Paramedics. Crime scene investigators located 47 expended cartridge cases in the shop. The subsequent autopsy revealed 23 gunshot wounds. Ballistics identified rounds from 7 different weapons. No one else was hurt in the exchange of fire. "
Having an armed populace is a terrifying idea. Given all the FUD spread about by the government, and the media, the last thing we need is a bunch of twitchy, armed suburbanoid jackasses that think every minority is a gangster, rapist, terrorist, or whatever. Though, truthfully, given a handgun, and a couple weeks at the local shooting range, they'd be more of a danger to themselves than anyone else in a dangerous situation. Assuming they could remember to turn the safety off in the first place, would they have the minerals to actually pull the trigger, and kill their target? I have my doubts.
As to why the US has more of these school shooting incidents than other countries? Well, personally, I doubt the US really has that many more than other countries, it's more that we are, as a country, one giant fucking media circus, 24/7. So our dirty laundry gets more airtime.
Then there's the useless parents that squirt out kids that they foist off on nannies, daycare, and the school system their entire lives. I was rather surprised to find the parents of the two Columbine students actually knew their children's names.
There were plenty of kids that got picked on when I was in high school back in the 80's, and no one ever went berzerk and shot someone. And it's not like guns weren't around back then.
Personally, I blame it on the PC jackasses that try to cocoon kids from reality, and tell them how their all super special, and unique, and blah, blah, blah. We're raising a nation of emotional cripples that are being released into a snarling pack of wolves with no damn clue how to cope when reality slaps them square in the face with a 2x4.
Or we can just blame video games, and KMFDM, Manson, Ozzy, or whomever. Personally, I live for the day that someone goes all Private Pyle, and it's found out that they were playing the Left Behind games, and listening to some sort of Christian metal act. I'd like to see what nutsacks like Jack Thompson and the like have to say then.
What if the only armed country in the world was say...North Korea! All the rest of the countries were unarmed including the USA. Would that be good? No. Instead we armed ourselves and pretty much every other country armed themselves. Now if North Korea tried to kill a country with WMDs, the other country can fight back and they would have allies to back them up.
I can't see why you guys can't understand the concept. It's like all you focus on is the one friggen guy who has a gun (legally or illegally) and try to say how bad it would be if he opened fire and then give it as a reason why other people shouldn't have guns. Logic anyone?
Guns can be offensive AND defensive. If a bad guy tried opening fire in an armed populace then HE is the one in trouble NOT the populace and the good people live to see another day! Liberals want to disarm the populace and let them fight and die unarmed. You say they should and can run? Tell that to the students who died today.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
You want to lower the amount of shootings? stop airing them 24/7 and leave the shooters name out of it.
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I think we should spend the day morning, and relfecting on our own lives, and families.
There will be plenty of time for finger pointing and gun toating later.
This is a REAL tragedy that is happening right NOW, involving real PEOPLE.
I dont care who started it, you all make me feel equally nauseous.
Oh come on... There are thousands of real tragedies with real people goin on all the time. Right now some kid is hiding in his/her room somwhere because his/her dad is beatin up mam, again. Depending on where you live there are homeless families wandering the streets. Right now a woman gets raped. Right now someone is dying in a car accident. Right now someone is fighting against cancer. No, dozens of them. Life is full of tragedyn most of it unjust. Right now there are innocent people in death row. Right now some kid in a prison in Mongolia gets tortured to death for stealing a cell phone. Right now hundreds of families are mourning their loved ones that died in suicide bombings in Baghdad. Right now some miner is stuck in a Chinese mine, desperate to get out, knowing very well his buddies don't have the equipment to get him out.I'm sorry, but I have to feel sorry for all of them. Not just the ones that make the news. I'm sorry.
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Madace, learn to not murder a thread by posting size limits on the crap you copy and paste.
Look I'll be savage with you , America has every one of those cultures in it, and pretty much every single one from the south african coast to russias tip.
Bottomline, our culture is the worlds. America is not some inhabitted by a single people (not now atleast) it's literally the worlds biggest melting pot.
You'd have to actually live or spend a decent amount of time to know that america = world's culture rolled up into on big continent.
Since we're gonna play the "no longer belgium it's europe" lets add all of south america and north america to the table.
I still win with vast size of territory.
You will deny that European culture shares direct roots with eachother? You'd actually deny that? Wow.
We're no longer comparing belgium to the US, it's Europe to the US, lets toss in all the south american/canadian cities in there too then.
Well what do you know, it's still a win situation. You want to add africa to your list ? Or the middle east? Because I think I have some room for our colonies and providences , including the one in the artic.
Hell the cradle of religion? GG for the world, You also fail to mention that europe also is the cradle of Facism, Tyrants, and mass genocide.
Don't play off that europe is all enlightened with me. For every crappy thing america does now, chances are it's been a standard in some european country some time or another.
Hey since you are now expanding europe in our Belgium -US crime rate, does that mean that you are taking credit for those death camps in the 40's? Or the kosovo stuff?
Hey are cradling facist regims? Oh oh! You had russia in there! Yeah they've totally been humanitarian.
See you added a bunch of crap to your once "good belgium".
Heres also a no brainer, in a country like kosovo is killing the enemy considered a homicide? No, but it's still murder.
How about all those other countries with the death parades? Are those homicides?
How about all those under developed eastern europe countries you think they track their murder ratios?
In conclusion, I don't think you look at all the angles, not a bad thing really. But it leads to closed mindedness.
If people were allowed to carry concealed handguns on campus, then this would have ended VERY quickly! But instead we have people that would rather have a bunch of unarmed people just there for the picking.
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I think we should spend the day morning, and relfecting on our own lives, and families.
There will be plenty of time for finger pointing and gun toating later.
This is a REAL tragedy that is happening right NOW, involving real PEOPLE.
I dont care who started it, you all make me feel equally nauseous.
Oh come on... There are thousands of real tragedies with real people goin on all the time. Right now some kid is hiding in his/her room somwhere because his/her dad is beatin up mam, again. Depending on where you live there are homeless families wandering the streets. Right now a woman gets raped. Right now someone is dying in a car accident. Right now someone is fighting against cancer. No, dozens of them. Life is full of tragedyn most of it unjust. Right now there are innocent people in death row. Right now some kid in a prison in Mongolia gets tortured to death for stealing a cell phone. Right now hundreds of families are mourning their loved ones that died in suicide bombings in Baghdad. Right now some miner is stuck in a Chinese mine, desperate to get out, knowing very well his buddies don't have the equipment to get him out.I'm sorry, but I have to feel sorry for all of them. Not just the ones that make the news. I'm sorry.
This isnt a real tragedy ? Regardless of what is going on in the world, at the moment there is a thread on mmorpg.com where a group of people on their high horses are trying to justify gun ownership by giving examples of mass homicedes only a handfull of hours after a mass homiced. Its called decorum.
Right now someone wants me to not care about the families of 32 Americans purely because of a pre-concieved idea that i dont care equally for all other people.
As i said in another thread
"While you all were protesting the war in Iraq, while jerking off to your penthouse magazines. over 3.8million people were killed in the Democratic republic of Congo..... and you didnt even notice"
So what exactly are you saying, we should abandon empathy and sympathy ?
I can do nothing but nod, it's the truth.
The problem is friend , humanity is starting to care less and less about themselves and more into what resources are left to take.
It's a shift to the dark ages , except now we are highly learned individuals with the same savage tactics we used in those days.
In essence mankind slips from humanity and all that is left is a shell.
If people were allowed to carry concealed handguns on campus, then this would have ended VERY quickly! But instead we have people that would rather have a bunch of unarmed people just there for the picking.
Yep they disarm those who are "good" and enable the "bad guys" to have the upper hand.
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If people were allowed to carry concealed handguns on campus, then this would have ended VERY quickly! But instead we have people that would rather have a bunch of unarmed people just there for the picking.
Yep they disarm those who are "good" and enable the "bad guys" to have the upper hand.
If someone has a fear of guns then they shouldn't own one. But leave the law abiding citizens who know how to use them the freedom to carry one. They may be the person that saves your life when something like this happens around you.
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I think we should spend the day morning, and relfecting on our own lives, and families.
There will be plenty of time for finger pointing and gun toating later.
This is a REAL tragedy that is happening right NOW, involving real PEOPLE.
I dont care who started it, you all make me feel equally nauseous.
Oh come on... There are thousands of real tragedies with real people goin on all the time. Right now some kid is hiding in his/her room somwhere because his/her dad is beatin up mam, again. Depending on where you live there are homeless families wandering the streets. Right now a woman gets raped. Right now someone is dying in a car accident. Right now someone is fighting against cancer. No, dozens of them. Life is full of tragedyn most of it unjust. Right now there are innocent people in death row. Right now some kid in a prison in Mongolia gets tortured to death for stealing a cell phone. Right now hundreds of families are mourning their loved ones that died in suicide bombings in Baghdad. Right now some miner is stuck in a Chinese mine, desperate to get out, knowing very well his buddies don't have the equipment to get him out.I'm sorry, but I have to feel sorry for all of them. Not just the ones that make the news. I'm sorry.
This isnt a real tragedy ? Regardless of what is going on in the world, at the moment there is a thread on mmorpg.com where a group of people on their high horses are trying to justify gun ownership by giving examples of mass homicedes only a handfull of hours after a mass homiced. Its called decorum.
Right now someone wants me to not care about the families of 32 Americans purely because of a pre-concieved idea that i dont care equally for all other people.
As i said in another thread
"While you all were protesting the war in Iraq, while jerking off to your penthouse magazines. over 3.8million people were killed in the Democratic republic of Congo..... and you didnt even notice"
So what exactly are you saying, we should abandon empathy and sympathy ?
I never, ever said it wasn't a real tragedy. I just said that in stead of only feeling sorry for the tragedies that hit the news we should try to feel sorry FOR EVERY FUCKING TRAGEDY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!
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Someone mentioned that the U.S. was very violent compared to other countries (like Belgium), and asked why that was. It is my opinion that this is the case because of the difference between systems. The U.S. is capitalist, "most" other countries (nation-states) are socialist. This is not to say that other countries aren't capitalist, just that those that are have socialism in the mix as well; this includes the U.K., Australia, etc. The U.S. is "the most capitalist" out of every nation-state in the world.
What does this mean for the U.S.? A higher gap between rich and poor. Poverty breeds crime, and crime breeds murder. Now it's true that all crime does not occur because of poverty. However, a very large portion of it does - which is undeniable. In socialist nation-states, or in capitalist nation-states that mix in socialism, crime is lower - that fact cannot be disputed (even statistically). The only thing that closely resembles some sort of socialism in the U.S. is social security, medicare and welfare, all of which are complete jokes, and social security and medicare are almost bankrupt. I should also mention that if a person is in dire poverty in the U.S., social security and medicare do not matter, and welfare is nothing but a pittance.
Don't get me wrong, I am not advocating that the U.S. should adopt socialism fully, just some aspects of socialism, such as universal health care. Imagine the money the U.S. could have put into a universal health care system if the U.S. hadn't gone to war with Iraq. And for those that argue that their tax dollars shouldn't go to "lazy bums," I guess you're saying that your taxes should go to a war that cannot be won instead? Look at it this way. In the case of universal health care (and many other possible programs) both the rich and the poor benefit, not to mention the middle-class, in more ways than one.
Ultimately, my point is this. There is more crime in the U.S. mainly due to the disparity that exists between the rich and the poor due to extreme capitalism. There needs to be a balance in government and economic systems. Extremism is never good no matter what the subject matter is, communism is a case-in-point as well, which is why it has been evident over the years that it does not work.
The key is balance.
Bless the families and friends of the dead at V.T. today. May they be able to get on with their lives at some point in time.
Cartman has a big fat ass!
could this guy be a law abiding citizen carrying a gun ?
Atleast till he started shooting people ?
Only when he shot someone did he become non-law abiding.The point is he would be very stupid to try any BS like that because half the student body ALSO has a gun..the other half are probably scared of guns or disagree with them (they'll be taking cover behind gun owner for protection, ironically).
Ever heard the story of the armed criminal who tried to rob a gun store? It's a true story and well it didn't end so well for him. If half the student body had a gun then trying to shoot someone is like trying to rob a gun store.
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where is pedophily in ur statistics
thats where belgium is world leader^^
You mean this guy?
"The following mind-boggling attempt at a crime spree in Washington, DC appeared to be the robber's first (and last), due to his lack of a previous record of violence, and his terminally stupid choices:
1. His target was H&J Leather & Firearms; A gun shop specializing in handguns.
2. The shop was full of customers - firearms customers.
3. To enter the shop, the robber had to step around a marked police patrol car parked at the front door.
4. A uniformed officer was standing at the counter, having coffee before work. Upon seeing the officer, the would-be robber announced a hold-up, and fired a few wild shots from a target pistol. The officer and a clerk promptly returned fire, the police officer with a 9mm GLOCK 17, the clerk with a 50 DESERT EAGLE, assisted by several customers who also drew their guns and fired. The robber was pronounced dead at the scene by Paramedics. Crime scene investigators located 47 expended cartridge cases in the shop. The subsequent autopsy revealed 23 gunshot wounds. Ballistics identified rounds from 7 different weapons. No one else was hurt in the exchange of fire. "
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment;
We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
You mean this guy?
"The following mind-boggling attempt at a crime spree in Washington, DC appeared to be the robber's first (and last), due to his lack of a previous record of violence, and his terminally stupid choices:
icredible luck..or lie1. His target was H&J Leather & Firearms; A gun shop specializing in handguns.
2. The shop was full of customers - firearms customers.
3. To enter the shop, the robber had to step around a marked police patrol car parked at the front door.
4. A uniformed officer was standing at the counter, having coffee before work. Upon seeing the officer, the would-be robber announced a hold-up, and fired a few wild shots from a target pistol. The officer and a clerk promptly returned fire, the police officer with a 9mm GLOCK 17, the clerk with a 50 DESERT EAGLE, assisted by several customers who also drew their guns and fired. The robber was pronounced dead at the scene by Paramedics. Crime scene investigators located 47 expended cartridge cases in the shop. The subsequent autopsy revealed 23 gunshot wounds. Ballistics identified rounds from 7 different weapons. No one else was hurt in the exchange of fire. "
what about transverse shots..or however it called
in smoll shop it would be hell
Guns are for protection sometimes...
like say if you were camping in the wild....then a wild bear comes out of no where...
what would you do.!
a.Punch the bear in the head hopefully it gets knocked out
b.Try to run and hope he dont catch you
c.throw a stick at him
d.put someone else for bait so you can get away
i think a smart person should invent a gun that cant kill harmless things.. thats not me
ese dont fuck around with me.
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Having an armed populace is a terrifying idea. Given all the FUD spread about by the government, and the media, the last thing we need is a bunch of twitchy, armed suburbanoid jackasses that think every minority is a gangster, rapist, terrorist, or whatever. Though, truthfully, given a handgun, and a couple weeks at the local shooting range, they'd be more of a danger to themselves than anyone else in a dangerous situation. Assuming they could remember to turn the safety off in the first place, would they have the minerals to actually pull the trigger, and kill their target? I have my doubts.
As to why the US has more of these school shooting incidents than other countries? Well, personally, I doubt the US really has that many more than other countries, it's more that we are, as a country, one giant fucking media circus, 24/7. So our dirty laundry gets more airtime.
Then there's the useless parents that squirt out kids that they foist off on nannies, daycare, and the school system their entire lives. I was rather surprised to find the parents of the two Columbine students actually knew their children's names.
There were plenty of kids that got picked on when I was in high school back in the 80's, and no one ever went berzerk and shot someone. And it's not like guns weren't around back then.
Personally, I blame it on the PC jackasses that try to cocoon kids from reality, and tell them how their all super special, and unique, and blah, blah, blah. We're raising a nation of emotional cripples that are being released into a snarling pack of wolves with no damn clue how to cope when reality slaps them square in the face with a 2x4.
Or we can just blame video games, and KMFDM, Manson, Ozzy, or whomever. Personally, I live for the day that someone goes all Private Pyle, and it's found out that they were playing the Left Behind games, and listening to some sort of Christian metal act. I'd like to see what nutsacks like Jack Thompson and the like have to say then.
No guns = government can kill you.
Guns = some crazed individual can kill you.
At least with the latter option, feasibly you could have a gun and a chance at self-defense.
I can't see why you guys can't understand the concept. It's like all you focus on is the one friggen guy who has a gun (legally or illegally) and try to say how bad it would be if he opened fire and then give it as a reason why other people shouldn't have guns. Logic anyone?
Guns can be offensive AND defensive. If a bad guy tried opening fire in an armed populace then HE is the one in trouble NOT the populace and the good people live to see another day! Liberals want to disarm the populace and let them fight and die unarmed. You say they should and can run? Tell that to the students who died today.
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