I think this game in a few months with a little work, mainly further reducing hithcing and chunking times, more content added , a little polish , and removing the bugs that are left , has the potential of being the best regarded MMO game out there.
Why you asking where the "trolls" are? You out looking for a fight? Three times now, the people that has voiced concerns about the unfinished quality at release of such a high profile game, three times has they been kind enough to stop attacking the fans imaginary babbling about how perfect everyhting is with hard facts of the real state of the game... Three times people have found that kicking people in the face with truth is not that fun when they are lying down in a puddle of broken argumentation...
And as soon as people are merciful enough to leave you alone with your little game.. You suddenly feel the need to stand up and think you "won" something?
Well, I wont bite... I know I will see you and anyone else from Vanguard in the next big game that is released. You dont like Vanguard, even if you will never admit it. You just stay thtere until a real game is released. If you want to think that the people that dont play junk just for the waste of time it gives until a real product are in some way lesser than you... then its your problem, not mine.
I don't quite understand this video. I know the title says "Vanguard not that empty" but is this supposed to be sarcastic? It shows a couple of areas in game with like 5-6 players gathered together in what I assume is supposed to be a busy area. I hope this is sarcasm because if this is suppposed to prove that there are many people playing somebody needs to post a video of the EC tunnel during the first year of EQ. That would show what an active community is. But I guess I have it wrong and it is supposed to be sarcasm. Either way ... crappy video.
Considering its a small town, in one zone in about 60 zones, to find a few people gathered like that is not uncommon, and therefore not as empty as this board likes to think.
I personally think all the Vantrolls are currently telling people how bad LOTR is, since no game is ever good for them, they have nothing else to do...
Now playing: VG (after a long break from MMORPGS) Played for more than a month: Darkfall online, Vanguard SOH, Everquest, Horizons, WoW, SWG, Everquest II, Eve
I prefer to keep the history of the post i this case.
I didnt adress any of the reviewer, saying they are wrong or anything.
Just adressed you saying that the game renders stuff it does not.
And I also talked about the 'maybe' hitchfix in the next patch.
ok
I'm a try one last time.
Your computer stops processing an area when it is hits something like a wall , aka mountains thick trees . When the computer is done processing it caches to the ram, giving you a pretty smooth ride.
Now when you have huge open areas where there is nothing "clipping" the view, then the computer is just calculating the space untl it hits something, so now you have 2 functions, the computer wants to keep calculating the unclipped terrain , while at the same time wants to render what it has cached. It is a conflict that is usually relieved by clipping.
Your systems specs have to be nearly of the Now , current gaming system water cooled to be able work through the cpu processing.
Video is just doing the video, it has nothing to dd with the cpu processes.
I think this game in a few months with a little work, mainly further reducing hithcing and chunking times, more content added , a little polish , and removing the bugs that are left , has the potential of being the best regarded MMO game out there.
So basically a completely new game lol!! It's like saying this chick next to me would look a lot better with a tummy tuck, breast implants, clearer skin, 200 pounds less, and lyposuction. Dude, you get my vote for the best Vanguard qoute ever!!
I think this game in a few months with a little work, mainly further reducing hithcing and chunking times, more content added , a little polish , and removing the bugs that are left , has the potential of being the best regarded MMO game out there.
I do believe indeed that it has potential, and that with those fixes, it will continue to have potential. That's the story of its life. Potential.
I prefer to keep the history of the post i this case.
I didnt adress any of the reviewer, saying they are wrong or anything.
Just adressed you saying that the game renders stuff it does not.
And I also talked about the 'maybe' hitchfix in the next patch.
ok
I'm a try one last time.
Your computer stops processing an area when it is hits something like a wall , aka mountains thick trees . When the computer is done processing it caches to the ram, giving you a pretty smooth ride.
Now when you have huge open areas where there is nothing "clipping" the view, then the computer is just calculating the space untl it hits something, so now you have 2 functions, the computer wants to keep calculating the unclipped terrain , while at the same time wants to render what it has cached. It is a conflict that is usually relieved by clipping.
Your systems specs have to be nearly of the Now , current gaming system water cooled to be able work through the cpu processing.
Video is just doing the video, it has nothing to dd with the cpu processes.
{Mod edit}
Did you read what I stated. The far clip is the distance of
what is rendered if I pull it to the bottom I see what is 10000
and the highest is 819200. I guess that makes the 'box'
smaller, and it reduces the distance you see in the world
ok, ive played this game since release an unless your just looking for the flaws in this game they are not that bad, yes i get clipping an lag some times an depending on the area an if its a new area for me but the game has gotten a lot better. there are not as many broken quests as ppl think. some you just have to do alot of work for, or maybe its bugged all you would have to do is give up the quest an get it again. there are ways to fix small problems. if your get clipping just /flush if your stuck /stuck yes they are given you ways to fix alot of minor problems. It will take awhile to fix most of the problems but every game has problems. Just enjoy it if you like it if not move on.
Ive played this game up to lvl 44 an i will agree its buggy but if your just looking for the flaws in a game of course your just going only see the flaws. This game has so much to offer you an more then enough stuff to do.
I think this game in a few months with a little work, mainly further reducing hithcing and chunking times, more content added , a little polish , and removing the bugs that are left , has the potential of being the best regarded MMO game out there.
after 5 years and 30 million smackers they deliver a fly encrusted turd in a shrink wrapped box and you expect everything to be made hunky dory and work as intended in another couple of months? Dude you are a optimist, I'll give you that. But as long as you are enjoying the game then good for you.
I think this game in a few months with a little work, mainly further reducing hithcing and chunking times, more content added , a little polish , and removing the bugs that are left , has the potential of being the best regarded MMO game out there.
Good man dimmit77. Keep the faith. But, alas my good man I fear it won't happen that quickly.We'll be lucky they even fix the hitching and chunking problems at all. You mention a few bugs, uhm, well I do think there are more than just a few bugs. One good thorough patch would clean things up, but it seems they would rather doodle with class skills and minor little things than to actually take care of what is "broken", so to speak.
Oh well, dimitt77, let's just see where this game is by September, shall we?
All I want is the truth Just gimme some truth John Lennon
I think this game in a few months with a little work, mainly further reducing hithcing and chunking times, more content added , a little polish , and removing the bugs that are left , has the potential of being the best regarded MMO game out there.
Never was a troll but the VSoH is horrible imo and I think I dont troll this forum because the game speaks for itself which is why loads of people won't ever touch it... Oh, and the whole SoE thing.
I think this game in a few months with a little work, mainly further reducing hithcing and chunking times, more content added , a little polish , and removing the bugs that are left , has the potential of being the best regarded MMO game out there.
I dont know how the game really is for i read all the players post and comments some good most say the game is horrible so i didnt buy it.
But if i got anything from the posts i read for the last 2 months id have this....
Spend 3 grand for a killer machine to run it (maybe jury still out on that according to most people) have bugs and crashes to my desktop like crazy,hardley any content for the high level toons,bland and empty area's to explore, mobs that glitch and move or u zone and die from chunking thru the zones...
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I think this game in a few months with a little work, mainly further reducing hithcing and chunking times, more content added , a little polish , and removing the bugs that are left , has the potential of being the best regarded MMO game out there.
as well as seven more shocks with the fibrillation paddles
CLEAR
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
So I was sitting back reading some threads having my usual fun reading arguments I have read before when SWG came out and then again when EQ2 came out. I thought to myself , wouldnt it be fun if somehow I could unearth a theard called 'where are the trolls now' in an EQ2 board and see what people who posted back then have to say now?Well I'll unearth this one in a couple of years time...and see where we stand then .
PS : To the dudes that insist Vanguard is eampty...this is a corner of TK , a huge (and i mean huge) dungeon in thestra. Please explain to the other dudes beeing in the same part of a six part quest to get out and go play something else so I can get my updates. Apparently as many other people they are not playing Vanguard ....they just dont know it yet .
Anarchy Online is a good example of what can be done with this respect. At the time it launched it pushed the graphics envelope and character customization to the limit. It had a huge world with 3 factions, mutliple starting areas, instanced content (the first 3d mmo to have it), vehicles including flying vehicles and only 1 server world. It came out ahead of it's time and the bad lag cuased them to open a second world, the technical glitches were so bad. In the end they fixed the game and it was considered among the gaming press one of the best MMO on the market a year or 2 later. But no one came back to play. To solve this problem they had to make the game free to play and now it has 150k+ players compared to their peak paying customers of about 40k. Vanguard can't afford to go freeplay so I don't see a solution for them. Maybe SOE can come up with a way to milk it for profit because if any company can do it, they can but that might not be good for the vanguard fan base.
Well that was quite some time ago the gaming industi have come quite far, far enuff that one would assume thay could release a complete game, and ppl stuck with it because there wasnt all that many mmo´s to chose from but in this day and age theres loads of mmo´s
So I was sitting back reading some threads having my usual fun reading arguments I have read before when SWG came out and then again when EQ2 came out. I thought to myself , wouldnt it be fun if somehow I could unearth a theard called 'where are the trolls now' in an EQ2 board and see what people who posted back then have to say now?Well I'll unearth this one in a couple of years time...and see where we stand then .
PS : To the dudes that insist Vanguard is eampty...this is a corner of TK , a huge (and i mean huge) dungeon in thestra. Please explain to the other dudes beeing in the same part of a six part quest to get out and go play something else so I can get my updates. Apparently as many other people they are not playing Vanguard ....they just dont know it yet . http://xs114.xs.to/xs114/07162/ScreenShot_00077.JPG http://xs114.xs.to/xs114/07162/ScreenShot_00078.JPG
Hell you just proved his point imo, those areas are fairly barren, rocks and walls, no moss, no plantation, no water, nothing. Just a bunch of ugly textures in a huge place.
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
PS : To the dudes that insist Vanguard is eampty...this is a corner of TK , a huge (and i mean huge) dungeon in thestra. Please explain to the other dudes beeing in the same part of a six part quest to get out and go play something else so I can get my updates. Apparently as many other people they are not playing Vanguard ....they just dont know it yet . http://xs114.xs.to/xs114/07162/ScreenShot_00077.JPG http://xs114.xs.to/xs114/07162/ScreenShot_00078.JPG
In my village, there's only 800 souls...When you walk outside, you rarely meet anyone. That is, unless there's an event, a village fair. Then things changes as people go outside and gather on the central square and for one evening,you have the illusion to live in a crowded place, because there's so much people.
But...the facts remain the same: It's still only a small village with few inhabitants.
And it's the same for Vanguard. Vanguard's playerbase is decreasing day after day. The only place where you will find people is at these "party places" where everyone goes (because Vanguard is also a very linear game, content wise).
So you go there, and you meet another group...well, that's normal and it only proves one thing: that there was another group at the same time as you were in TK.
It only concerns that moment and that place.
It absolutely proves nothing regarding the ingame population.
It's the same thing as if I was to take a photo during the village fair and telling you I live in a big city because a lot of people are outside. It makes no sense.
To make things short: your "proofs" are highly circumstential and prove absolutely nothing.
No just you. I prefer to keep the history of the post i this case.
I didnt adress any of the reviewer, saying they are wrong or anything.
Just adressed you saying that the game renders stuff it does not.
And I also talked about the 'maybe' hitchfix in the next patch.
ok
I'm a try one last time.
Your computer stops processing an area when it is hits something like a wall , aka mountains thick trees . When the computer is done processing it caches to the ram, giving you a pretty smooth ride.
Now when you have huge open areas where there is nothing "clipping" the view, then the computer is just calculating the space untl it hits something, so now you have 2 functions, the computer wants to keep calculating the unclipped terrain , while at the same time wants to render what it has cached. It is a conflict that is usually relieved by clipping.
Your systems specs have to be nearly of the Now , current gaming system water cooled to be able work through the cpu processing.
Video is just doing the video, it has nothing to dd with the cpu processes.
{Mod edit}
Did you read what I stated. The far clip is the distance of
what is rendered if I pull it to the bottom I see what is 10000
and the highest is 819200. I guess that makes the 'box'
smaller, and it reduces the distance you see in the world
and higher the fps.
So what your are saying is that only mountains,
houses visible thing are clipping the view.
Not that there can be done by other means,
like something that is whatevercolorish?
:Edit changed to a better location.
Of course that is possible, but you will now have an ugly looking game ?
The simple fact is that Sigil were over ambitous, and failed to keep control of their project. Just listening to what was planned and promised blows your mind, especially when you consider that Sigil is a start-up company, and has no where near the resources of a Blizzard or a SOE.
Sigil should have scaled back even before beta 3, focus on maybe one contiennt (say Thestra), maybe 10 classes and 8 races. Then polish and polish the content before moving on to Qalia and Kojan. Instead we have a large mess of land masses with content and people scattered around.
The simple fact is that Sigil were over ambitous, and failed to keep control of their project. Just listening to what was planned and promised blows your mind, especially when you consider that Sigil is a start-up company, and has no where near the resources of a Blizzard or a SOE. Sigil should have scaled back even before beta 3, focus on maybe one contiennt (say Thestra), maybe 10 classes and 8 races. Then polish and polish the content before moving on to Qalia and Kojan. Instead we have a large mess of land masses with content and people scattered around.
I agree. Half the stupid races look identical anyway so why not cut back. Who can really tell the difference between a Half Giant and a Thestra Barbarian?
Continent wise I have to admit I was pretty shocked to start realizing that Kojan had no content above level 16 or so and I would have to move to another continent and pray no one killed me since I was an orc with nasty faction. No tip window said "Hey we forgot to finish this continent, if you wish to play thru on one continent please pick another race." when I was starting.
After WOW, very few will accept a buggy empty world. Heres how beta should've worked:
Add Content
Polish
Ask if it is fun
Rinse and Repeat untill a continent is brimming with life and then add the next continent. Two awesome working continents full of content at release would beat three blah unfinished continents any day of the week.
Vanguard is simply not a fun game. Even if this so-called "potential" is eventually reached . . . I don't see the game actually becoming potentially fun.
Now I understand that some people do (or will) find Vanguard fun. However, this game has jaded so many potential players with its crappy release . . . I feel that quite a few people won't be back even if the game were perfect "down the road".
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Why you asking where the "trolls" are? You out looking for a fight? Three times now, the people that has voiced concerns about the unfinished quality at release of such a high profile game, three times has they been kind enough to stop attacking the fans imaginary babbling about how perfect everyhting is with hard facts of the real state of the game... Three times people have found that kicking people in the face with truth is not that fun when they are lying down in a puddle of broken argumentation...
And as soon as people are merciful enough to leave you alone with your little game.. You suddenly feel the need to stand up and think you "won" something?
Well, I wont bite... I know I will see you and anyone else from Vanguard in the next big game that is released. You dont like Vanguard, even if you will never admit it. You just stay thtere until a real game is released. If you want to think that the people that dont play junk just for the waste of time it gives until a real product are in some way lesser than you... then its your problem, not mine.
The http://www.threatalertjesus.com/ put my response to your troll attempt at defcon 3.
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
Considering its a small town, in one zone in about 60 zones, to find a few people gathered like that is not uncommon, and therefore not as empty as this board likes to think.
I personally think all the Vantrolls are currently telling people how bad LOTR is, since no game is ever good for them, they have nothing else to do...
Now playing: VG (after a long break from MMORPGS)
Played for more than a month: Darkfall online, Vanguard SOH, Everquest, Horizons, WoW, SWG, Everquest II, Eve
I'm a try one last time.
Your computer stops processing an area when it is hits something like a wall , aka mountains thick trees . When the computer is done processing it caches to the ram, giving you a pretty smooth ride.
Now when you have huge open areas where there is nothing "clipping" the view, then the computer is just calculating the space untl it hits something, so now you have 2 functions, the computer wants to keep calculating the unclipped terrain , while at the same time wants to render what it has cached. It is a conflict that is usually relieved by clipping.
Your systems specs have to be nearly of the Now , current gaming system water cooled to be able work through the cpu processing.
Video is just doing the video, it has nothing to dd with the cpu processes.
who me ?
{Mod edit}what is rendered if I pull it to the bottom I see what is 10000
and the highest is 819200. I guess that makes the 'box'
smaller, and it reduces the distance you see in the world
and higher the fps.
So what your are saying is that only mountains,
:Edit changed to a better location.houses visible thing are clipping the view.
Not that there can be done by other means,
like something that is whatevercolorish?
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Ive played this game up to lvl 44 an i will agree its buggy but if your just looking for the flaws in a game of course your just going only see the flaws. This game has so much to offer you an more then enough stuff to do.
I miss DAoC
Oh well, dimitt77, let's just see where this game is by September, shall we?
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
John Lennon
Um playing a game that works.....
LOTRO.
Done waiting for Vanguard.
-Allegria
I dont know how the game really is for i read all the players post and comments some good most say the game is horrible so i didnt buy it.
But if i got anything from the posts i read for the last 2 months id have this....
Spend 3 grand for a killer machine to run it (maybe jury still out on that according to most people) have bugs and crashes to my desktop like crazy,hardley any content for the high level toons,bland and empty area's to explore, mobs that glitch and move or u zone and die from chunking thru the zones...
Sounds like fun where do i sign up for the Beta?
A few months.....and a TIME MACHINE!
And donuts. Donuts make everything better.
Agent_X7 AKA J Star
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as well as seven more shocks with the fibrillation paddles
CLEAR
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Now what doctor?
So I was sitting back reading some threads having my usual fun reading arguments I have read before when SWG came out and then again when EQ2 came out. I thought to myself , wouldnt it be fun if somehow I could unearth a theard called 'where are the trolls now' in an EQ2 board and see what people who posted back then have to say now?Well I'll unearth this one in a couple of years time...and see where we stand then .
PS : To the dudes that insist Vanguard is eampty...this is a corner of TK , a huge (and i mean huge) dungeon in thestra. Please explain to the other dudes beeing in the same part of a six part quest to get out and go play something else so I can get my updates. Apparently as many other people they are not playing Vanguard ....they just dont know it yet .
http://xs114.xs.to/xs114/07162/ScreenShot_00077.JPG
http://xs114.xs.to/xs114/07162/ScreenShot_00078.JPG
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
But...the facts remain the same: It's still only a small village with few inhabitants.
And it's the same for Vanguard. Vanguard's playerbase is decreasing day after day. The only place where you will find people is at these "party places" where everyone goes (because Vanguard is also a very linear game, content wise).
So you go there, and you meet another group...well, that's normal and it only proves one thing: that there was another group at the same time as you were in TK.
It only concerns that moment and that place.
It absolutely proves nothing regarding the ingame population.
It's the same thing as if I was to take a photo during the village fair and telling you I live in a big city because a lot of people are outside. It makes no sense.
To make things short: your "proofs" are highly circumstential and prove absolutely nothing.
I'm a try one last time.
Your computer stops processing an area when it is hits something like a wall , aka mountains thick trees . When the computer is done processing it caches to the ram, giving you a pretty smooth ride.
Now when you have huge open areas where there is nothing "clipping" the view, then the computer is just calculating the space untl it hits something, so now you have 2 functions, the computer wants to keep calculating the unclipped terrain , while at the same time wants to render what it has cached. It is a conflict that is usually relieved by clipping.
Your systems specs have to be nearly of the Now , current gaming system water cooled to be able work through the cpu processing.
Video is just doing the video, it has nothing to dd with the cpu processes.
{Mod edit}
what is rendered if I pull it to the bottom I see what is 10000
and the highest is 819200. I guess that makes the 'box'
smaller, and it reduces the distance you see in the world
and higher the fps.
So what your are saying is that only mountains,
:Edit changed to a better location.houses visible thing are clipping the view.
Not that there can be done by other means,
like something that is whatevercolorish?
Of course that is possible, but you will now have an ugly looking game ?
who me ?
The simple fact is that Sigil were over ambitous, and failed to keep control of their project. Just listening to what was planned and promised blows your mind, especially when you consider that Sigil is a start-up company, and has no where near the resources of a Blizzard or a SOE.
Sigil should have scaled back even before beta 3, focus on maybe one contiennt (say Thestra), maybe 10 classes and 8 races. Then polish and polish the content before moving on to Qalia and Kojan. Instead we have a large mess of land masses with content and people scattered around.
I agree. Half the stupid races look identical anyway so why not cut back. Who can really tell the difference between a Half Giant and a Thestra Barbarian?
Continent wise I have to admit I was pretty shocked to start realizing that Kojan had no content above level 16 or so and I would have to move to another continent and pray no one killed me since I was an orc with nasty faction. No tip window said "Hey we forgot to finish this continent, if you wish to play thru on one continent please pick another race." when I was starting.
After WOW, very few will accept a buggy empty world. Heres how beta should've worked:
Add Content
Polish
Ask if it is fun
Rinse and Repeat untill a continent is brimming with life and then add the next continent. Two awesome working continents full of content at release would beat three blah unfinished continents any day of the week.
Now I understand that some people do (or will) find Vanguard fun. However, this game has jaded so many potential players with its crappy release . . . I feel that quite a few people won't be back even if the game were perfect "down the road".
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