Jeez you need to find a better job or move out of Netherlands or something.
I do not have a problem getting $2000 for a PC upgrade once every 2 years and I am still a student.
I have no problem running Oblivion. I have athlon 64 3700+, 2x160GB HDs in raid 0. I've had this set up for about 2 years and about 2 months ago I upgraded my my Ram to 2GB 400 DDR and 512MB GDDR3 BFG 7950 which cost me about 400$ actually. Do you have HD TV? If you do: what kind of specs is it (size? flat/LCD? HDMI?), when did you buy it and for how much? You are after the "latest games" as you said, arent you? Hopefully you are not enjoying them on 800x600 32" Sony Trinitron.
But again, we're talking about gaming here, its silly to mention "I can do so many other things with my pc". You don't buy a 300$ video card for microsoft office, paint or whatever you use.
Of course you do. If you use Photoshop and various other graphic intensive applications that is. I would love to see you try running Cinema 4D on a crappy video card.
also, all the costs you mentioned also count for PC. so that really doesn't matter.
Its not even debatable. A game console is cheaper for gaming then a computer, when comparing the amount of power. MUCH and MUCH cheaper. its fact. You keep pretending like the add-ons for Xbox360 are so expensive, which is simply not the case, and your also pretending like they add-ons are an absolute MUST HAVE. when talking strictly about gaming, a console is much cheaper. Thats why there are gaming consoles in the first place, because its cheaper. Again, find me a PC that can run Oblivion just as well as my Xbox360 can for 400$ and we'll talk.
Computer gaming offers much more flexibility than console gaming. Take, for example, GTA III and other GTA games that followed. Although they came out for PS2 first, they were much better on the PC because you can add your own music to the radio stations and use your own skins for the characters. There is a whole community of players creating new content for the PC versions of those games.
3 - 4 years from now, XBOX 360 games will look like crap compared to brand new PC games. Know why? Because PC game development constantly evolves to utilize new technology where as console development eventualy reaches a dead end when the hardware capabilities of the console are no longer able to support emerging technologies.
Besides all that, FPS without a mouse is like pizza without the cheese.
Also, as others have pointed out, you can use your PC for many other things besides gaming. That is the biggest selling point for PCs. Where as consoles are used primarily for gaming, PCs are capable of so much more. Name a console which allows you to create music, graphics and various applications as well as editing that video you took of your kid's first touchdown. You can't.
ok just to set a few things strait I built a really nice compy for dirt cheap because I am smart. so here is a list of facts:
FIRST PLATFORMS
1)HDTV-$400 without tax
2)350+600+250=1200 (that is the WII 360 and PS 3)
4)games figure $50 a game and you get like 5 over the next month or two=250
5)accesories and junk~$50
if you want me to add the nintendo NES and up you would have spent over $10 K on systems games and acceories
I have only had 3-4 computers through upgrades and new builds. I know just on computers its only been around $5K I also shop smart and not got to Dell and get a POS for $2000K I only buy about 10 titles at the extreme most a year on compy games because of CS and HL series. I play mods too so that is free games. I seriously don't like buying a lot of games.
Going with the biggest and baddest on computer parts all the time is not smart. you build a nice rig ever few years and live with it and not be stupid and try to get the full grfx out of the game eventough my X850XT PE is still going strong and I play a lot of the games on high. I give my 2 year old machin that cost a wopping $1.5 k mabe a year and a half b4 it is a POS.
PC games tend to last longer thanks to the modding community by offering various skins,mods, models, UI's, etc..to keep the game you like playing for a very long time.
While a console game your limited to what it offers.
PC games tend to last longer thanks to the modding community by offering various skins,mods, models, UI's, etc..to keep the game you like playing for a very long time.
While a console game your limited to what it offers.
well, unfortuanetly that is not true anymore. with the harddisc and network connections, it might not be standard or common, but is coming more and more on consoles since their programming environement is on a pc (win or linux), or for xbox 360 i think some mods for some games work on both platforms?
The main difference between consoles and PCs is that you are upgrading a PC every 2 years and buying new consoles every 5 to 6 years. Yeah, to buy the two leading consoles can cost as much as a complete overhaul, but I won't have to pay again for another 5 years.
BTW, most of us that have been around the block on the console side know better than to buy all three consoles or to buy them when they first hit the shelves. This last generation I got mildly burned when my first choice was the Dreamcast. Don't get me wrong, it was a great system and I still play it, but it died prematurely. The PS2 however was a solid investment though. I've gotten almost 6 years out of it, and I can now go back and play all the great stuff I missed since there are a slew of uber cheap used games available right now.
This generation I'm getting a Wii and a 360 in that order. Between those two systems, I'll be spending about $500 (I'm buying the 360 refurbished to save money). The computer I'm currently using cost me about $400. It would have cost me around $800 if I didn't already have all the shit that you plug into the box, like a monitor, printer, keyboard, mouse, graphics tablet, etc. Most people already own a TV so... yeah.... If my friends want to play, they usually have their own console and can bring their own controller.
Seriously, more games are going to consoles because they have a greater market penetration than PCs. There are a lot more PCs floating around, but the majority are in the hands of businesses and internet Bongs in Asia. Part of the reason that MMORPGs are so big in Asia is due to the ability of the public to access PCs in the same way that we would have used arcade machines back in the day. It's hard to get someone to pay $800 for a PC. It's easier to get people to pay $300 (rough average) for a console. It's even easier to get people to lay down $3 for an hour of online computer time in a public place.
If you really want to worry about something, worry about cell phones. They're everywhere and you can produce games cheap as hell for them. Not only that, but it's easier to get someone to pay $5 for an olde skool arcade game while waiting for the train or the bus, than it is to get them to drop $50+ on a full featured game.
Imo, the faster PC gaming dies, the better. I'm sick and tired of spending 2000$ just to be able to play the latest games.
Whilst I completely understand what GL is saying, for myself, the second gaming exclusively goes to consoles the is the very second I quit playing , period.
Smart upgrading and a little forethought will get you updating your computer parts on par with a reasonable technology leaps in performance. More than that though, PC gaming represents neutral ground in gaming, it always has, not an "as seen" or "as represented by..." whatever console you happen to be playing.
I hope, and think, that console gaming and pc gaming remains seperate for as long as possible. That being said, I do believe it is inevitable that they will blend together in the future, especially with people getting tired of having 50 machines in their houses.
Imo, the faster PC gaming dies, the better. I'm sick and tired of spending 2000$ just to be able to play the latest games.
ignorance at its best. PC gaming is the parent to all console gaming. The chicken that made the egg so to speak. PC gaming is freedom.
Gaming PCs will cost you no more than a PS3. Seriously, PCs, even gaming ones, are becoming cheaper as time goes on and they can do more than any console would. Just look at Ibuypower.com (sponsor of these computer contests), the price of a gaming rig is cheap. And, if you know how to put a computer together yourself (its not hard) then you can get a good computer for damn cheap. Easy upgrades as well.
I think console gaming is good for the industry, because it is mainstreaming the video game to the newer generations. Consoles are accessable to small children, and when those children grow up they end up playing PC games for the most part. My own evolution as a gamer started with the nes and gameboy, never understood PC gaming untill I actually played some amazing games on one. I never went back. As a gamer I like both platforms for what they offer, but they are not compatible, meaning games often being made for the super super casual gamer/kid end up being on consoles and good concepts are ruined, where as with PCs they are fully realized in a sense. Keyboard and mouse over a controller is better for FPS games, RTS games and most CRPGs. PC gaming has left me with more enjoyment and options than any console ever would, and all PC games are available for one OS, rather than watch sony, nintendo, and microsoft fight over which games will be exclusive to their system (forcing you to buy all the systems if you want to enjoy games.)
Anyways, i really dont like people like you. What you say is like "the sooner jewish people stop running businesses, the more money I wont lose". And thats stupid.
My Pc cost me around £700 and wont need upgrading for 2 years. And when that time comes it will be to but a DirectX10 graphics card [Nvida] And a ram chip, meaning the comuter should last for another 1-2 years. The trick is to know where to buy the parts and then to put it together yourself.
Some people here lost the grasp with reality...a gaming PC costs at least 1500$, without a monitor, and you'll need to replace the video card in 2 years.
A console costs anywhere between 350 and 600$, and it's going to last for 4 to 5 years...
Sure, consoles are not yet on par with PCs regarding pure pwoer, but everyone knows that console can do better with less power... just look at GT 5, it's more beautiful than any PC game, even crysis.
In the next decade, when consoles will be sold with a keyboard and all big brands adopt the Nintendo technology used in the wiimote, computers will be done with for gaming... MMO? RTS? We are seeing the last batch of purely for PCs-MMOGs, because the consoles weren't ready for it, but now they are starting to. As for RTS, the lack of a mouse which Nintendo found a workaround for with the wiimote is going to make them more widely available on console once microsoft and sony copied the technology.
Stop treating PC gaming as the end all be all... it used to be, it's soon not going to be anymore.
My addiction History: >> EQ1 2000-2004 - Shaman/Bard/Wizard/Monk - nolife raid-whore >> WoW 2004-2009 + Cataclysm for 2 months - hardcore casual >> Current status : done with MMO, too old for that crap.
"Imo, the faster PC gaming dies, the better. I'm sick and tired of spending 2000$ just to be able to play the latest games." Considering most MMOGs are PC format, that makes no sense. PCs will always offer superior gameplay for cutting edge and large scale games like the MMOG genre. Besides, I bet you spend as much upgrading your console models and buying multiple consule brands in order to play various games. PC is much more flexible and customizable and can be used for other things besides gaming. Consules are for kids.
The fact Xbox360 is receiving mmorpg's such as Age of Conan, Huxley, and Final Fantasy XI proves it can handle MMORPG's just as well as PC can. and No, I don't spend as much upgrading on console models. The playstation 2 was released in 2000, the playstation 3 in 2006.thats a 6 year time difference of absolutely NO upgrades. I have to spend more money on upgrades for my computer then I have to spend on a new console. An xbox360 is 350$ (including controller and memory card and things). I dare you to find a computer that runs TES4: Oblivion just as well as an Xbox360 can for 350$. Also I'm speaking from strict gaming perspective. I don't need to use a computer for anything else then college work (aside gaming ofcourse), and everything I need can be done on an old pentium 2.
One big flaw in your logic, you are shifting your statements to suit your needs. Most people do MORE then just play games. THey edit documents, surf the net, create music, watch movies, create movies, design CGI 3d Art, surf porn, write email, read books. Sure, SOME of those activities can be done on P2, but I can reverse that logic back at you, you can play games on SNES and atari, so why do u buy XBOX? Becuase XBOX has better graphics, better games. So do PCs. Just because YOU dont have a need for a PC, doesnt mean the rest of the world is following your footsteps. I will be daring and say that its the other way around, most people in the world do need a PC, not a 2000$ pro-gaming rig, but a 300-500 regular modern P4 rig. Sure, you might not be able to play Oblivion on max settings, but u can play tons of other games that consoles don't have.
Consoles are great for kids and for computer illiterate people because they dont need maintenance or require brain power to setup. PCs are for advanced people who like to do more then just play a game.
Originally posted by peenk
PC gaming dies? LawL, mucho drama
Hm, lets see, started with Dreamcast being able to use a Modem to go online to play games and surf the internet with the DC browser. Followed up by broadband units for PS2 and Gamecube. Xbox comes along with a built-in HD, gets hacked few years later so you can install linux and run emulators and watch some video formats. 360 and PS3 come out, with ATI and Nvidia build cards utilizing DX9 ...
Hm, looks to me like game consoles are getting more and more like computers, instead of computers getting more and more like gaming consoles. I have 360 controller and my PC is as good as any console (I dont need xbox live kthx, especially pay for one). If I put my KB and mouse to 360 ... it will still be a 360.
Yeah ...
Dont like to spend "$2000"? First of all no one is forcing you to own a PC and second of all, L2bulid-your-own-rig. With $2000 you can have a state of the art computer, you can build one to play "latest games" for less than $800 if you count the fact that you will keep using your old monitor/speakers/mouse/kb/HDs/soundcard.
If your PC is as good as any console, then you just proved my point. why should I pay so much money for a PC when I can get the same on a much cheaper console? 800$ you say? Try beating 350$ with your fancy computer and we'll talk.
Originally posted by elvenangel
Originally posted by Gameloading
Imo, the faster PC gaming dies, the better. I'm sick and tired of spending 2000$ just to be able to play the latest games.
Yes so that way we can spend increasing amount sof money to buy a new console every 2 to 3 years that cost an increasing amount of money, then charge you isane prices for extras like extra controllers so that eventually we're spending 2000 dollars anyway. You really don't save any money atleast with pc's your games work longer. I mean look at all our fav atari and nintendo games from back in the day..not one of those cartidges work in anything other than the machine it was made for.
2 or 3 years? Make that 5 of 6 years, and by that time, you have probably spend more money on upgrades then you would have on a new console. also it depends on the console. I can play Playstation 1 games on a playstation 3, and an Xbox1 games on the xbox360
heres how i see it. the pc will not go away imo. but if they do this is how itll probbly happen.
consoles will become more and more integrated wiht other functions of our lives other than gaming. were aready seeing this with the wii/360/ps3 wiht the online functionality and playing movies etc. pcs will slowly go away as consoles do more and more. suddenly people will want to add more hd space to their conole *shock* or more ram faster drives. fater procs...oh wait didnt they just become pcs again?
i do personally se a time not to far when the console and the pc both die a death and like most scifi movies there will be more integraed automated systems built into our homes/jobs/cars. not like what we have today but things we talk to that do menial things for us play games/internet etc wall mounted screen no clumsy interfaces like keyboard etc. these are things we can already to to a degree just imagine what well have 5 years from now. im looking forward to it
well since the companies take a huge loss on their consoles thats why it seems cheaper, imo if computer gaming dies you'll see the console makers jump the price up to what comps are since there won't be any competition.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
The expensive parts required to game on a PC are what keeps console prices down.
It's hard to know in the future. On one hard, consoles will start to do more than just play games, just take the 360 and PS3 at the moment. Consoles will start using PC based inputs e.g mouse and keyboard. If I wanted to play a good RTS, I had to have a PC. There was no question about it. This isn't the case now because of USB slots on consoles. Online play is getting better and better with consoles.
Then again, PC Gaming is becoming more profitable. PCs are now built purely for gaming. I know when I bought my first PC, apart from Quake 1 and Theme hositpal, wasn't really a huge selection to choose from.
How well MMORPGs do on consoles* I think will actually determine which format wins. If VG:SOH was playable on a console, it'd be doing alot better in my opinion.
Also, console gaming is ALOT cheaper than PC gaming at the moment, I don't care where you get your parts from or if you can set the system up yourself, pound for pound consoles is cheaper.
*Even though FF11 is on both PC and console, the game on both formats is rubbish ^_^.
lol that's why Im thinking of buying a PS3 now, just hook it up to the internet and play some nice games there, its cheaper 600$ instead of 2000+ for the computer and the graphics are amazing!
If you put mouse and keyboard controls on the console games, then I don't really care what the box that's playing the game looks like, whether it's a PC or a console.
But I can't use the controllers, so a console is worthless to me unless it includes a mouse and keyboard. Just that simple. Wish I could use the controllers, but I can't.
Until consoles come with mouse and keyboard, I'm stuck with a PC.
No one has to spend $2000 every 4 years to upgrade to a new computer unless Dell or Gateway is in your bookmarks. last year I spent $100 to go to 2 gigs of ram and $149 on a processor upgrade. this year I spent only $159 (with rebate) upgrading my graphics card to x1950 pro. I am set for a year or 2. Next upgrade in 1 or 2 years might be a mobo/chip combo that i'm estimating about $400 (i don't go for biggest/newest. i stay in the best value range). Now thats what... 650 to 700 bucks for about 4-5 years. And I get a lot more for that then what a 8 button controller console has to offer.
Hell, isn't the PS3 like $600 base price without the accessories you (and Sony) knows you will buy.
To top it all off... You should see the mods and extras I have for my Oblivion f/PC that I bought for $39.99. Whats the price for that limited features version that is unmoddable/unpatchable on those consoles? If there is a way to buy some sort of wifi connection or dialup service that can be subscribed to for these things, I don't think its even remotely in the same league as a 6mbit cable/dsl connection on a computer. It makes me laugh thinking that WebTv (which I thought died) is alive and well under a new name and someone is paying for it.
P.s. I will say though that consoles are by far the best system for sports games. But thats all I would give them.
If you put mouse and keyboard controls on the console games, then I don't really care what the box that's playing the game looks like, whether it's a PC or a console.
But I can't use the controllers, so a console is worthless to me unless it includes a mouse and keyboard. Just that simple. Wish I could use the controllers, but I can't.
Until consoles come with mouse and keyboard, I'm stuck with a PC.
Add a keyboard and a mouse and it sure would be close to having a non-upgradable PC with zero productivity and only gaming as a option. In other words.... A extremely limited little PC.
Add a keyboard and a mouse and it sure would be close to having a non-upgradable PC with zero productivity and only gaming as a option. In other words.... A extremely limited little PC.
You can get a console for 500$ and a cheap laptop to do internet browsing and text writing and photo editing, and MP3 whatever for less than 700$...
Still cheaper than a 1500$ gaming rig.
However you turn it around, gaming on a PC is MUCH more expensive than gaming on a console, it's a hobby for the well-off.
My addiction History: >> EQ1 2000-2004 - Shaman/Bard/Wizard/Monk - nolife raid-whore >> WoW 2004-2009 + Cataclysm for 2 months - hardcore casual >> Current status : done with MMO, too old for that crap.
Imo, the faster PC gaming dies, the better. I'm sick and tired of spending 2000$ just to be able to play the latest games.
ignorance at its best. PC gaming is the parent to all console gaming. The chicken that made the egg so to speak. PC gaming is freedom.
And why is this ignorance? PC gaming may be the parent to all console gaming..so, what exactly is your point? Should we now keep purchasing PC games because many, many years ago PC gaming was the "Parent" to all console gaming? Hey, leets keep riding old fashioned bikes because they are the parent to all modern bikes!
Gaming PCs will cost you no more than a PS3. Seriously, PCs, even gaming ones, are becoming cheaper as time goes on and they can do more than any console would. Just look at Ibuypower.com (sponsor of these computer contests), the price of a gaming rig is cheap. And, if you know how to put a computer together yourself (its not hard) then you can get a good computer for damn cheap. Easy upgrades as well.
Finds me a computer for 400$ that can run Oblivion just as well as an Xbox360 can. I dare you.
I think console gaming is good for the industry, because it is mainstreaming the video game to the newer generations. Consoles are accessable to small children, and when those children grow up they end up playing PC games for the most part.
I'm sure you have a reliable source to back that up?
My own evolution as a gamer started with the nes and gameboy, never understood PC gaming untill I actually played some amazing games on one. I never went back. As a gamer I like both platforms for what they offer, but they are not compatible, meaning games often being made for the super super casual gamer/kid end up being on consoles and good concepts are ruined, where as with PCs they are fully realized in a sense. Keyboard and mouse over a controller is better for FPS games, RTS games and most CRPGs. PC gaming has left me with more enjoyment and options than any console ever would, and all PC games are available for one OS, rather than watch sony, nintendo, and microsoft fight over which games will be exclusive to their system (forcing you to buy all the systems if you want to enjoy games.)
Anyways, i really dont like people like you. What you say is like "the sooner jewish people stop running businesses, the more money I wont lose". And thats stupid.
Awww..you don't like me. Yeah, how dare people like me actually want to play games for less money. shame on me.
Saying PC gaming is cheaper or even the same price as console gaming is pure ignorance. the entire reason game consoles exist is because they are much cheaper then a real gaming pc. I can play the newest games with excellent graphics for 5 years for only 400$. You can't do that with a PC.
Gimme a wii-style controller and Singstar for my PC and I'm all set.
My biggest gripe about consoles is the resolution. When console games are released on the PC, my HUD and text is HUGE! Why? To take 640x480 TVs into account. The gameplay interface is also dumbed down hugely to accomodate having six buttons. Next-gen consoles may be better for having HDTV to use, but I'm already playing on a higher resolution than any HD out there with my 1680x1050 widescreen monitor. Stretching 1280x768 to fit 40" of screen looks like crap when text is on it... unless you once again bump up the size of the text and the HUD. Better than before? Yes. As good as PC gaming? No.
My eyes demand better.
BTW - PONG was run on supercomputer mainframes in the Department of Defense before being dropped on your living room floor. 3D imaging too. Respect yer roots; they run deep.
"A video game is defined as an appartus that displays games using RASTER VIDEO equipment: a television set, a monitor, etc. In the 1950s and 1960s, computers were not only exceedingly expensive, but used a technology that could not allow integrating them into a video game system. Only mainframes could allow playing a few games. These games qualified as COMPUTER games, not VIDEO games."
I'm not into consoles these days. I used to love them when I was younger. The console is nice because you know the games you buy for it will work. PCs have so many differnt parts many times things wont work so well no matter how good your computer is. Personally I'm not rich at all, but I am able to put together a decent PC ever few years through buying parts. I don't have the best in the world, but it generally runs the games good enough for me. I like watching TV while I'm on the computer so consoles are kinda out for me generally these days. I don't think I've played a game other then a RPG in ages anyway. I used to play sports games, action games, everything heh. Now I'm just a RPG guy.
The console is nice because you know the games you buy for it will work. PCs have so many different parts; many times things wont work so well, no matter how good your computer is.
Well said.
Here's to hoping Microsoft's XNA is all it's hyped up to be! Just pop your disc in and play. Seems so far from reality...
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Jeez you need to find a better job or move out of Netherlands or something.
I do not have a problem getting $2000 for a PC upgrade once every 2 years and I am still a student.
I have no problem running Oblivion. I have athlon 64 3700+, 2x160GB HDs in raid 0. I've had this set up for about 2 years and about 2 months ago I upgraded my my Ram to 2GB 400 DDR and 512MB GDDR3 BFG 7950 which cost me about 400$ actually. Do you have HD TV? If you do: what kind of specs is it (size? flat/LCD? HDMI?), when did you buy it and for how much? You are after the "latest games" as you said, arent you? Hopefully you are not enjoying them on 800x600 32" Sony Trinitron.
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I have yet to see a game that makes me wish I owned a console instead of a PC.
FIRST PLATFORMS
1)HDTV-$400 without tax
2)350+600+250=1200 (that is the WII 360 and PS 3)
4)games figure $50 a game and you get like 5 over the next month or two=250
5)accesories and junk~$50
if you want me to add the nintendo NES and up you would have spent over $10 K on systems games and acceories
I have only had 3-4 computers through upgrades and new builds. I know just on computers its only been around $5K I also shop smart and not got to Dell and get a POS for $2000K I only buy about 10 titles at the extreme most a year on compy games because of CS and HL series. I play mods too so that is free games. I seriously don't like buying a lot of games.
Going with the biggest and baddest on computer parts all the time is not smart. you build a nice rig ever few years and live with it and not be stupid and try to get the full grfx out of the game eventough my X850XT PE is still going strong and I play a lot of the games on high. I give my 2 year old machin that cost a wopping $1.5 k mabe a year and a half b4 it is a POS.
COSTOM BUILDS FTW!!!!!!!
While a console game your limited to what it offers.
BTW, most of us that have been around the block on the console side know better than to buy all three consoles or to buy them when they first hit the shelves. This last generation I got mildly burned when my first choice was the Dreamcast. Don't get me wrong, it was a great system and I still play it, but it died prematurely. The PS2 however was a solid investment though. I've gotten almost 6 years out of it, and I can now go back and play all the great stuff I missed since there are a slew of uber cheap used games available right now.
This generation I'm getting a Wii and a 360 in that order. Between those two systems, I'll be spending about $500 (I'm buying the 360 refurbished to save money). The computer I'm currently using cost me about $400. It would have cost me around $800 if I didn't already have all the shit that you plug into the box, like a monitor, printer, keyboard, mouse, graphics tablet, etc. Most people already own a TV so... yeah.... If my friends want to play, they usually have their own console and can bring their own controller.
Seriously, more games are going to consoles because they have a greater market penetration than PCs. There are a lot more PCs floating around, but the majority are in the hands of businesses and internet Bongs in Asia. Part of the reason that MMORPGs are so big in Asia is due to the ability of the public to access PCs in the same way that we would have used arcade machines back in the day. It's hard to get someone to pay $800 for a PC. It's easier to get people to pay $300 (rough average) for a console. It's even easier to get people to lay down $3 for an hour of online computer time in a public place.
If you really want to worry about something, worry about cell phones. They're everywhere and you can produce games cheap as hell for them. Not only that, but it's easier to get someone to pay $5 for an olde skool arcade game while waiting for the train or the bus, than it is to get them to drop $50+ on a full featured game.
Whilst I completely understand what GL is saying, for myself, the second gaming exclusively goes to consoles the is the very second I quit playing , period.
Smart upgrading and a little forethought will get you updating your computer parts on par with a reasonable technology leaps in performance. More than that though, PC gaming represents neutral ground in gaming, it always has, not an "as seen" or "as represented by..." whatever console you happen to be playing.
I hope, and think, that console gaming and pc gaming remains seperate for as long as possible. That being said, I do believe it is inevitable that they will blend together in the future, especially with people getting tired of having 50 machines in their houses.
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Gaming PCs will cost you no more than a PS3. Seriously, PCs, even gaming ones, are becoming cheaper as time goes on and they can do more than any console would. Just look at Ibuypower.com (sponsor of these computer contests), the price of a gaming rig is cheap. And, if you know how to put a computer together yourself (its not hard) then you can get a good computer for damn cheap. Easy upgrades as well.
I think console gaming is good for the industry, because it is mainstreaming the video game to the newer generations. Consoles are accessable to small children, and when those children grow up they end up playing PC games for the most part. My own evolution as a gamer started with the nes and gameboy, never understood PC gaming untill I actually played some amazing games on one. I never went back. As a gamer I like both platforms for what they offer, but they are not compatible, meaning games often being made for the super super casual gamer/kid end up being on consoles and good concepts are ruined, where as with PCs they are fully realized in a sense. Keyboard and mouse over a controller is better for FPS games, RTS games and most CRPGs. PC gaming has left me with more enjoyment and options than any console ever would, and all PC games are available for one OS, rather than watch sony, nintendo, and microsoft fight over which games will be exclusive to their system (forcing you to buy all the systems if you want to enjoy games.)
Anyways, i really dont like people like you. What you say is like "the sooner jewish people stop running businesses, the more money I wont lose". And thats stupid.
A console costs anywhere between 350 and 600$, and it's going to last for 4 to 5 years...
Sure, consoles are not yet on par with PCs regarding pure pwoer, but everyone knows that console can do better with less power... just look at GT 5, it's more beautiful than any PC game, even crysis.
In the next decade, when consoles will be sold with a keyboard and all big brands adopt the Nintendo technology used in the wiimote, computers will be done with for gaming... MMO? RTS? We are seeing the last batch of purely for PCs-MMOGs, because the consoles weren't ready for it, but now they are starting to. As for RTS, the lack of a mouse which Nintendo found a workaround for with the wiimote is going to make them more widely available on console once microsoft and sony copied the technology.
Stop treating PC gaming as the end all be all... it used to be, it's soon not going to be anymore.
My addiction History:
>> EQ1 2000-2004 - Shaman/Bard/Wizard/Monk - nolife raid-whore
>> WoW 2004-2009 + Cataclysm for 2 months - hardcore casual
>> Current status : done with MMO, too old for that crap.
One big flaw in your logic, you are shifting your statements to suit your needs. Most people do MORE then just play games. THey edit documents, surf the net, create music, watch movies, create movies, design CGI 3d Art, surf porn, write email, read books. Sure, SOME of those activities can be done on P2, but I can reverse that logic back at you, you can play games on SNES and atari, so why do u buy XBOX? Becuase XBOX has better graphics, better games. So do PCs. Just because YOU dont have a need for a PC, doesnt mean the rest of the world is following your footsteps. I will be daring and say that its the other way around, most people in the world do need a PC, not a 2000$ pro-gaming rig, but a 300-500 regular modern P4 rig. Sure, you might not be able to play Oblivion on max settings, but u can play tons of other games that consoles don't have.
Consoles are great for kids and for computer illiterate people because they dont need maintenance or require brain power to setup. PCs are for advanced people who like to do more then just play a game. If your PC is as good as any console, then you just proved my point. why should I pay so much money for a PC when I can get the same on a much cheaper console? 800$ you say? Try beating 350$ with your fancy computer and we'll talk.
Originally posted by elvenangel
Originally posted by Gameloading
Imo, the faster PC gaming dies, the better. I'm sick and tired of spending 2000$ just to be able to play the latest games.
Yes so that way we can spend increasing amount sof money to buy a new console every 2 to 3 years that cost an increasing amount of money, then charge you isane prices for extras like extra controllers so that eventually we're spending 2000 dollars anyway. You really don't save any money atleast with pc's your games work longer. I mean look at all our fav atari and nintendo games from back in the day..not one of those cartidges work in anything other than the machine it was made for.
2 or 3 years? Make that 5 of 6 years, and by that time, you have probably spend more money on upgrades then you would have on a new console. also it depends on the console. I can play Playstation 1 games on a playstation 3, and an Xbox1 games on the xbox360
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
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The day console gaming takes over PC gaming in popularity, I'll say a PS3 is good.
Btw, that game looks nice, good I have a 360 and a ps3, and they both suck >.> But i'll check it out.
heres how i see it. the pc will not go away imo. but if they do this is how itll probbly happen.
consoles will become more and more integrated wiht other functions of our lives other than gaming. were aready seeing this with the wii/360/ps3 wiht the online functionality and playing movies etc. pcs will slowly go away as consoles do more and more. suddenly people will want to add more hd space to their conole *shock* or more ram faster drives. fater procs...oh wait didnt they just become pcs again?
i do personally se a time not to far when the console and the pc both die a death and like most scifi movies there will be more integraed automated systems built into our homes/jobs/cars. not like what we have today but things we talk to that do menial things for us play games/internet etc wall mounted screen no clumsy interfaces like keyboard etc. these are things we can already to to a degree just imagine what well have 5 years from now. im looking forward to it
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
The expensive parts required to game on a PC are what keeps console prices down.
It's hard to know in the future. On one hard, consoles will start to do more than just play games, just take the 360 and PS3 at the moment. Consoles will start using PC based inputs e.g mouse and keyboard. If I wanted to play a good RTS, I had to have a PC. There was no question about it. This isn't the case now because of USB slots on consoles. Online play is getting better and better with consoles.
Then again, PC Gaming is becoming more profitable. PCs are now built purely for gaming. I know when I bought my first PC, apart from Quake 1 and Theme hositpal, wasn't really a huge selection to choose from.
How well MMORPGs do on consoles* I think will actually determine which format wins. If VG:SOH was playable on a console, it'd be doing alot better in my opinion.
Also, console gaming is ALOT cheaper than PC gaming at the moment, I don't care where you get your parts from or if you can set the system up yourself, pound for pound consoles is cheaper.
*Even though FF11 is on both PC and console, the game on both formats is rubbish ^_^.
If you put mouse and keyboard controls on the console games, then I don't really care what the box that's playing the game looks like, whether it's a PC or a console.
But I can't use the controllers, so a console is worthless to me unless it includes a mouse and keyboard. Just that simple. Wish I could use the controllers, but I can't.
Until consoles come with mouse and keyboard, I'm stuck with a PC.
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Hell, isn't the PS3 like $600 base price without the accessories you (and Sony) knows you will buy.
To top it all off... You should see the mods and extras I have for my Oblivion f/PC that I bought for $39.99. Whats the price for that limited features version that is unmoddable/unpatchable on those consoles? If there is a way to buy some sort of wifi connection or dialup service that can be subscribed to for these things, I don't think its even remotely in the same league as a 6mbit cable/dsl connection on a computer. It makes me laugh thinking that WebTv (which I thought died) is alive and well under a new name and someone is paying for it.
P.s. I will say though that consoles are by far the best system for sports games. But thats all I would give them.
Still cheaper than a 1500$ gaming rig.
However you turn it around, gaming on a PC is MUCH more expensive than gaming on a console, it's a hobby for the well-off.
My addiction History:
>> EQ1 2000-2004 - Shaman/Bard/Wizard/Monk - nolife raid-whore
>> WoW 2004-2009 + Cataclysm for 2 months - hardcore casual
>> Current status : done with MMO, too old for that crap.
And why is this ignorance? PC gaming may be the parent to all console gaming..so, what exactly is your point? Should we now keep purchasing PC games because many, many years ago PC gaming was the "Parent" to all console gaming? Hey, leets keep riding old fashioned bikes because they are the parent to all modern bikes!
Gaming PCs will cost you no more than a PS3. Seriously, PCs, even gaming ones, are becoming cheaper as time goes on and they can do more than any console would. Just look at Ibuypower.com (sponsor of these computer contests), the price of a gaming rig is cheap. And, if you know how to put a computer together yourself (its not hard) then you can get a good computer for damn cheap. Easy upgrades as well.
Finds me a computer for 400$ that can run Oblivion just as well as an Xbox360 can. I dare you.
I think console gaming is good for the industry, because it is mainstreaming the video game to the newer generations. Consoles are accessable to small children, and when those children grow up they end up playing PC games for the most part.
I'm sure you have a reliable source to back that up?
My own evolution as a gamer started with the nes and gameboy, never understood PC gaming untill I actually played some amazing games on one. I never went back. As a gamer I like both platforms for what they offer, but they are not compatible, meaning games often being made for the super super casual gamer/kid end up being on consoles and good concepts are ruined, where as with PCs they are fully realized in a sense. Keyboard and mouse over a controller is better for FPS games, RTS games and most CRPGs. PC gaming has left me with more enjoyment and options than any console ever would, and all PC games are available for one OS, rather than watch sony, nintendo, and microsoft fight over which games will be exclusive to their system (forcing you to buy all the systems if you want to enjoy games.)
Anyways, i really dont like people like you. What you say is like "the sooner jewish people stop running businesses, the more money I wont lose". And thats stupid.
Awww..you don't like me. Yeah, how dare people like me actually want to play games for less money. shame on me.
Saying PC gaming is cheaper or even the same price as console gaming is pure ignorance. the entire reason game consoles exist is because they are much cheaper then a real gaming pc. I can play the newest games with excellent graphics for 5 years for only 400$. You can't do that with a PC.
Gimme a wii-style controller and Singstar for my PC and I'm all set.
My biggest gripe about consoles is the resolution. When console games are released on the PC, my HUD and text is HUGE! Why? To take 640x480 TVs into account. The gameplay interface is also dumbed down hugely to accomodate having six buttons. Next-gen consoles may be better for having HDTV to use, but I'm already playing on a higher resolution than any HD out there with my 1680x1050 widescreen monitor. Stretching 1280x768 to fit 40" of screen looks like crap when text is on it... unless you once again bump up the size of the text and the HUD. Better than before? Yes. As good as PC gaming? No.
My eyes demand better.
BTW - PONG was run on supercomputer mainframes in the Department of Defense before being dropped on your living room floor. 3D imaging too. Respect yer roots; they run deep.
"A video game is defined as an appartus that displays games using RASTER VIDEO equipment: a television set, a monitor, etc. In the 1950s and 1960s, computers were not only exceedingly expensive, but used a technology that could not allow integrating them into a video game system. Only mainframes could allow playing a few games. These games qualified as COMPUTER games, not VIDEO games."
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Well said.
Here's to hoping Microsoft's XNA is all it's hyped up to be! Just pop your disc in and play. Seems so far from reality...