Gay Educators

kimmar · May 2007

I read a post on here the other day about someone being afraid to go into the teaching field because they are gay. I then read in the paper here a few days ago that a teacher recently was forced to quit after teaching for more than 20 years because it was found out he was gay.

I got curious and looked this up on the Internet. It appears it happens a lot but that it just doesn't get much press I supposed. Maybe the teachers themselves just want to get away and leave before it does become a big issue.

Where Are the Civil Rights for Gay and Lesbian Teachers?

I think this is ridiculous. I would not fear my child having a gay teacher one bit. This whole line of b.s. has got to stop sometime. I don't understand how someone can choose to be a teacher, which is a very noble career choice, and then have to fear losing their job because of hateful untrue stereotypes. ESPECIALLY when the person is in their job doing extraordinary work.

The way I look at it, if my child had a gay teacher it would be a perfect opportunity for me to teach them to look past stereotypes and see the individual. I would welcome a gay teacher in my community. I would also defend them if they ever were threatened.

This stuff makes me so angry. Why do some people have to hurt others when they are doing something good with their lives and helping others?

//\//\oo · May 2007

That Americans live in a profoundly sick society is nothing new; there are simply too many idiots in this country to get anything accomplished.

The founding fathers did have a good idea when they created the electoral college: Americans were too stupid then and are still too stupid to decide issues for themselves.

I'm guessing that the Supreme Court ruled as it did, because it knew that the people would throw a hissyfit if it didn't.

Can anybody here remember how California voted against gay marriage back in the day? A state that has one of the largest homosexual populations was overwhelmed by the conservative Christian majority.

Draenor · May 2007

I can't speak about every gay teacher everywhere, but when I was in my first year of college there was a guy that wanted to be an elementary school teacher. He was an absolutely flaming homosexual who referred to himself as a "diva". His screenname was something along the lines of "homo-rainbow" (though that's not the actual screenname, RoC is against me posting the entire thing, but that's the jist of it) He was also involved in school drag shows. He referred to his female friends as "fag hags". He also spoke with the most incredibly efeminate voice that I have ever heard in my life, on top of that, he spoke with a lisp. This guy was truly your quintessential stereotype of a child molesting gay person. I ask you: Would you want your elementary age children going to school and being alone in a room with someone like that? Think long and hard before you answer, and answer honestly.

And yes, I know that the guy I knew was an exception, and not an example of what all gay men are like, but that's not my point. My point is that people like him are the reason why so many people have reservations about gay teachers...and it REALLY makes you wonder why exactly a guy like him wants to teach elementary school.

kimmar · May 2007

Originally posted by //\//\oo

That Americans live in a profoundly sick society is nothing new; there are simply too many idiots in this country to get anything accomplished.
The founding fathers did have a good idea when they created the electoral college: Americans were too stupid then and are still too stupid to decide issues for themselves.
I'm guessing that the Supreme Court ruled as it did, because it knew that the people would throw a hissyfit if it didn't.
Can anybody here remember how California voted against gay marriage back in the day? A state that has one of the largest homosexual populations was overwhelmed by the conservative Christian majority.

To me, when it comes to equal rights, there is no room for majority matters. You either have equal rights for everyone or you better be ready for the day to come when you could end up in the minority. And then people could spit on your rights and disregard your position just as quickly and it will sting just as bad.

I always thought our country was setup to protect the rights of the minority, but lately people have been dead set on changing that. Amongst other things.

kimmar · May 2007

Originally posted by Draenor

I can't speak about every gay teacher everywhere, but when I was in my first year of college there was a guy that wanted to be an elementary school teacher. He was an absolutely flaming homosexual who referred to himself as a "diva". His screenname was something along the lines of "homo-rainbow" (though that's not the actual screenname, RoC is against me posting the entire thing, but that's the jist of it) He was also involved in school drag shows. He referred to his female friends as "fag hags". He also spoke with the most incredibly efeminate voice that I have ever heard in my life, on top of that, he spoke with a lisp. This guy was truly your quintessential stereotype of a child molesting gay person. I ask you: Would you want your elementary age children going to school and being alone in a room with someone like that? Think long and hard before you answer, and answer honestly.
And yes, I know that the guy I knew was an exception, and not an example of what all gay men are like, but that's not my point. My point is that people like him are the reason why so many people have reservations about gay teachers...and it REALLY makes you wonder why exactly a guy like him wants to teach elementary school.

I had a teacher in high school who used to cuss in the classroom and had a bad attitude towards the students. He was also a single man who spent his weekends at night clubs picking up different women and talked about it to teachers in the hallways between classes where we could hear him.

So, uhmmmm, what was your point?

kimmar · May 2007

Originally posted by peaceandlove

I would be a teacher only if I can "monitor" the boys locker room.
I see how straight people live in world of fear. Most pedos are gay or bi. But not all of us. This way of thinking makes me sick. I'm pretty sure your children will be safe with gay teachers.
I see nothing wrong with gay teachers. Not because I'm gay, but I think that the youth of this country needs more liberal values. It would make a better place. Especially those that are thinking about thier sexual preference. They will finally have someone they can trust to talk about these issues. If your barbarian parents scare you, talk to your gay teacher. See my point?

All pedophiles are pedophiles. Period. There are no gay or straight pedophiles. Pedophiles find children sexual. Homosexuals and Heterosexuals find adults sexual. The two are very much mutually exclusive.

kimmar · May 2007

Originally posted by peaceandlove

Ok sure. I'm just stating a sterotype. But then again, I haven't looked up the crime statistics.

Originally posted by kimmar

Originally posted by peaceandlove

I would be a teacher only if I can "monitor" the boys locker room.
I see how straight people live in world of fear. Most pedos are gay or bi. But not all of us. This way of thinking makes me sick. I'm pretty sure your children will be safe with gay teachers.
I see nothing wrong with gay teachers. Not because I'm gay, but I think that the youth of this country needs more liberal values. It would make a better place. Especially those that are thinking about thier sexual preference. They will finally have someone they can trust to talk about these issues. If your barbarian parents scare you, talk to your gay teacher. See my point?

All pedophiles are pedophiles. Period. There are no gay or straight pedophiles. Pedophiles find children sexual. Homosexuals and Heterosexuals find adults sexual. The two are very much mutually exclusive.

It's not a matter of crime statistics. It's a matter of definition. The two are different. If a person is attracted to children he/she is a pedophile. That's what the word means. If a man is attracted to female children, does that make him straight? No way, he is a pedophile. Same is true the other way as well.

skywisenight · May 2007

Originally posted by Draenor

I can't speak about every gay teacher everywhere, but when I was in my first year of college there was a guy that wanted to be an elementary school teacher. He was an absolutely flaming homosexual who referred to himself as a "diva". His screenname was something along the lines of "homo-rainbow" (though that's not the actual screenname, RoC is against me posting the entire thing, but that's the jist of it) He was also involved in school drag shows. He referred to his female friends as "fag hags". He also spoke with the most incredibly efeminate voice that I have ever heard in my life, on top of that, he spoke with a lisp. This guy was truly your quintessential stereotype of a child molesting gay person. I ask you: Would you want your elementary age children going to school and being alone in a room with someone like that? Think long and hard before you answer, and answer honestly.
And yes, I know that the guy I knew was an exception, and not an example of what all gay men are like, but that's not my point. My point is that people like him are the reason why so many people have reservations about gay teachers...and it REALLY makes you wonder why exactly a guy like him wants to teach elementary school.

Maybe he sees the importance of teaching our young and finds happiness helping young children grow and learn? Why does it have to be bad that a gay person wants to teach? Many more straight people are teachers and are they any safer? I think not, as stated above by kimmar. And the "gayness is learned" bit is nonsense, so nothing to worry about rubbing off on kids either, since it doesn't work that way.

I'd have a happy gay teacher teach my kids over a jadded,worn-out,bitter straight teacher anyday (and there are a lot of this kind in the system now)

I just don't see how sexual orientation has anything to do with ability / merit to fullfill this, or any such job position.

upallnight · May 2007

That was me talking about gay teachers.

The reason I brought it up was because I would love to be a teacher. But I'm scared to death of ever trying. I could spend decades teaching only to be "found out" one day and have my whole career and future ruined.

I want to be a teacher for all the right reasons. And I'm sure I would have the motivation to maintain an exceptional level of teaching for all the years I were doing it. But instead it just scares me too much.

I hate feeling that way, but how else am I supposed to feel about the whole thing? I could never reveal myself at work and have someone see me out with my boyfriend and come back to tell everyone. It's not right nor fair.

pyrofreak · May 2007

My gym teacher was a lesbian, no one cared about that.. and she got to sit in the girl's locker room..

Draenor · May 2007

Originally posted by kimmar

Originally posted by Draenor

I can't speak about every gay teacher everywhere, but when I was in my first year of college there was a guy that wanted to be an elementary school teacher. He was an absolutely flaming homosexual who referred to himself as a "diva". His screenname was something along the lines of "homo-rainbow" (though that's not the actual screenname, RoC is against me posting the entire thing, but that's the jist of it) He was also involved in school drag shows. He referred to his female friends as "fag hags". He also spoke with the most incredibly efeminate voice that I have ever heard in my life, on top of that, he spoke with a lisp. This guy was truly your quintessential stereotype of a child molesting gay person. I ask you: Would you want your elementary age children going to school and being alone in a room with someone like that? Think long and hard before you answer, and answer honestly.
And yes, I know that the guy I knew was an exception, and not an example of what all gay men are like, but that's not my point. My point is that people like him are the reason why so many people have reservations about gay teachers...and it REALLY makes you wonder why exactly a guy like him wants to teach elementary school.

I had a teacher in high school who used to cuss in the classroom and had a bad attitude towards the students. He was also a single man who spent his weekends at night clubs picking up different women and talked about it to teachers in the hallways between classes where we could hear him.

So, uhmmmm, what was your point?And I wouldn't want a guy like that teaching either...so obviously you get my point.

Kaabulk · May 2007

Originally posted by kimmar

I read a post on here the other day about someone being afraid to go into the teaching field because they are gay. I then read in the paper here a few days ago that a teacher recently was forced to quit after teaching for more than 20 years because it was found out he was gay.

I got curious and looked this up on the Internet. It appears it happens a lot but that it just doesn't get much press I supposed. Maybe the teachers themselves just want to get away and leave before it does become a big issue.

Where Are the Civil Rights for Gay and Lesbian Teachers?

I think this is ridiculous. I would not fear my child having a gay teacher one bit. This whole line of b.s. has got to stop sometime. I don't understand how someone can choose to be a teacher, which is a very noble career choice, and then have to fear losing their job because of hateful untrue stereotypes. ESPECIALLY when the person is in their job doing extraordinary work.

The way I look at it, if my child had a gay teacher it would be a perfect opportunity for me to teach them to look past stereotypes and see the individual. I would welcome a gay teacher in my community. I would also defend them if they ever were threatened.

This stuff makes me so angry. Why do some people have to hurt others when they are doing something good with their lives and helping others?

Yea I agree about them doing a good job as a teacher, but I certainly don't want to attend a class with a gay teacher since I don't well...lets just say I don't want him on my pants or any comment he says that freaks me out...thats why no one liks Michael Jackson...

noname12345 · May 2007

Originally posted by Draenor

I can't speak about every gay teacher everywhere, but when I was in my first year of college there was a guy that wanted to be an elementary school teacher.

That's a good thing. He wants to help our youth and our future in what can be a stressful and thankless job. You should thank him and wish him luck. He's trying to uplift humanity and your trying to drag him down, maybe because he is generally a happy and cheerful person and you don't like him and so you're jealous?

He was an absolutely flaming homosexual who referred to himself as a "diva". His screenname was something along the lines of "homo-rainbow" (though that's not the actual screenname, RoC is against me posting the entire thing, but that's the jist of it) He was also involved in school drag shows. He referred to his female friends as "fag hags". He also spoke with the most incredibly efeminate voice that I have ever heard in my life, on top of that, he spoke with a lisp.

This stuff actually threatens you? Do you realize how judgmental you are being? You're writing is sounding very condescending and I don't think it's by accident.

This guy was truly your quintessential stereotype of a child molesting gay person.

WHAT!? This makes absolutely no sense at all. First of all I didn't even know there was a "child molesting gay person" stereotype. Who do you think founded that stereotype? Your kind of people (Religious Right).

I ask you: Would you want your elementary age children going to school and being alone in a room with someone like that? Think long and hard before you answer, and answer honestly.

LOL. You just admitted above that all that crap about child molesting gay people was just a STEREOTYPE, which means it's not TRUE!! The children have nothing to fear.

And yes, I know that the guy I knew was an exception, and not an example of what all gay men are like, but that's not my point. My point is that people like him are the reason why so many people have reservations about gay teachers

It's mostly religious right that have the reservations. They at least speak out the most from what i've seen.

...and it REALLY makes you wonder why exactly a guy like him wants to teach elementary school.

This is sad right here. You just admitted that it was a stereotype....and I know it's not an accurate stereotype at all. Do you honestly think this gay man has sexual feeling for children? Or are you going on your instinct with blind faith? Should we be judging and impeding a man's life goals based on a stereotype? WWJD.

I don't know why people think gay people can't be professional while straight people are somehow always professional.

Anyone see that show "How to catch a predator"? I saw a lot of straight people with families...a lot more straight people than gay people. In fact I don't recall seeing one gay person on that show....or anything that resembled Draenor's enemy.

Kaabulk · May 2007

Originally posted by peaceandlove

Originally posted by Kaabulk

Originally posted by kimmar

I read a post on here the other day about someone being afraid to go into the teaching field because they are gay. I then read in the paper here a few days ago that a teacher recently was forced to quit after teaching for more than 20 years because it was found out he was gay.

I got curious and looked this up on the Internet. It appears it happens a lot but that it just doesn't get much press I supposed. Maybe the teachers themselves just want to get away and leave before it does become a big issue.

Where Are the Civil Rights for Gay and Lesbian Teachers?

I think this is ridiculous. I would not fear my child having a gay teacher one bit. This whole line of b.s. has got to stop sometime. I don't understand how someone can choose to be a teacher, which is a very noble career choice, and then have to fear losing their job because of hateful untrue stereotypes. ESPECIALLY when the person is in their job doing extraordinary work.

The way I look at it, if my child had a gay teacher it would be a perfect opportunity for me to teach them to look past stereotypes and see the individual. I would welcome a gay teacher in my community. I would also defend them if they ever were threatened.

This stuff makes me so angry. Why do some people have to hurt others when they are doing something good with their lives and helping others?

Yea I agree about them doing a good job as a teacher, but I certainly don't want to attend a class with a gay teacher since I don't well...lets just say I don't want him on my pants or any comment he says that freaks me out...thats why no one liks Michael Jackson...

Well, straight comments gross us out too. I lost my virginity when I was 16 to a 25yr old. I was pretty mature for my age, so I considered us to be consenting adults. But if it was a 25yr old woman, it wouldn't sound bad and all you straight guys would literally applaud me. It's sad that I have to bottle up one of the most wonderful days in my life.

um..well can you respect our wishes too and don't tell us about your experience..I will respect yours I suppose as long as you don't tell us about that experience...

Kaabulk · May 2007

Originally posted by Nasica

Originally posted by Kaabulk

Originally posted by peaceandlove

Originally posted by Kaabulk

Originally posted by kimmar

I read a post on here the other day about someone being afraid to go into the teaching field because they are gay. I then read in the paper here a few days ago that a teacher recently was forced to quit after teaching for more than 20 years because it was found out he was gay.

I got curious and looked this up on the Internet. It appears it happens a lot but that it just doesn't get much press I supposed. Maybe the teachers themselves just want to get away and leave before it does become a big issue.

Where Are the Civil Rights for Gay and Lesbian Teachers?

I think this is ridiculous. I would not fear my child having a gay teacher one bit. This whole line of b.s. has got to stop sometime. I don't understand how someone can choose to be a teacher, which is a very noble career choice, and then have to fear losing their job because of hateful untrue stereotypes. ESPECIALLY when the person is in their job doing extraordinary work.

The way I look at it, if my child had a gay teacher it would be a perfect opportunity for me to teach them to look past stereotypes and see the individual. I would welcome a gay teacher in my community. I would also defend them if they ever were threatened.

This stuff makes me so angry. Why do some people have to hurt others when they are doing something good with their lives and helping others?

Yea I agree about them doing a good job as a teacher, but I certainly don't want to attend a class with a gay teacher since I don't well...lets just say I don't want him on my pants or any comment he says that freaks me out...thats why no one liks Michael Jackson...

Well, straight comments gross us out too. I lost my virginity when I was 16 to a 25yr old. I was pretty mature for my age, so I considered us to be consenting adults. But if it was a 25yr old woman, it wouldn't sound bad and all you straight guys would literally applaud me. It's sad that I have to bottle up one of the most wonderful days in my life.

um..well can you respect our wishes too and don't tell us about your experience..I will respect yours I suppose as long as you don't tell us about that experience...

While i do agree, that talking about ones sexual exploits is grotesque, regardless of sexual preference. People like Kaabulk provide me with hours and hours of amusement. The only logical explaination for his behavior in the majority of his replies, especially

"lets just say I don't want him on my pants or any comment he says that freaks me out..."

could be that he is afraid of his reaction to the comment, which could only mean that he himself questions his own sexuality and is afraid that if a teacher "gets on his pants" he might actually enjoy it.

Im not gay, not at all. But i am comfortable with my sexuality, so much so, that i know for a fact that if a man gives me a slap on the ass, i wont enjoy it, i wont freak out, and i will have the control to know my reactions to the tee. If, kaabulk, you are such a straight man, and so adament about it, i suggest you try to actually find some comfort in that.

Bottom line is, why do you all really care where this man sticks his penis ? what is all the fascination with gay mens penis' ? why cant you leave sexuality at what it is, sex ?

and you freak me out..plus I prefer a vagina over a penis.

Kaabulk · May 2007

Originally posted by peaceandlove

Originally posted by Kaabulk

Originally posted by peaceandlove

Originally posted by Kaabulk

Originally posted by kimmar

I read a post on here the other day about someone being afraid to go into the teaching field because they are gay. I then read in the paper here a few days ago that a teacher recently was forced to quit after teaching for more than 20 years because it was found out he was gay.

I got curious and looked this up on the Internet. It appears it happens a lot but that it just doesn't get much press I supposed. Maybe the teachers themselves just want to get away and leave before it does become a big issue.

Where Are the Civil Rights for Gay and Lesbian Teachers?

I think this is ridiculous. I would not fear my child having a gay teacher one bit. This whole line of b.s. has got to stop sometime. I don't understand how someone can choose to be a teacher, which is a very noble career choice, and then have to fear losing their job because of hateful untrue stereotypes. ESPECIALLY when the person is in their job doing extraordinary work.

The way I look at it, if my child had a gay teacher it would be a perfect opportunity for me to teach them to look past stereotypes and see the individual. I would welcome a gay teacher in my community. I would also defend them if they ever were threatened.

This stuff makes me so angry. Why do some people have to hurt others when they are doing something good with their lives and helping others?

Yea I agree about them doing a good job as a teacher, but I certainly don't want to attend a class with a gay teacher since I don't well...lets just say I don't want him on my pants or any comment he says that freaks me out...thats why no one liks Michael Jackson...

Well, straight comments gross us out too. I lost my virginity when I was 16 to a 25yr old. I was pretty mature for my age, so I considered us to be consenting adults. But if it was a 25yr old woman, it wouldn't sound bad and all you straight guys would literally applaud me. It's sad that I have to bottle up one of the most wonderful days in my life.

um..well can you respect our wishes too and don't tell us about your experience..I will respect yours I suppose as long as you don't tell us about that experience...

That would defeat the whole purpose behind gay rights. You should be more acceptable to gays seeing how you live in California. But like I have said numerous times, not really about gays, but generally as a minority (I'm Jewish as well, so pick a crutch), we are gaining control of censorship lately. It will only be more in our favor in the near future. We minorities will finally be about to say what we want without fear and the barbarians will finally be silenced. It's already happening. You are already being censored. Anything you (straight white Christian) say has been labeled racism or hate. It's very easy to censor conservative views now. It's only a matter of time before conservatives are "in the closet". I would ask you how that feels but by then you guys wouldn't be allowed to answer.

*** btw, when I say "you guys", I mean it as a generalization, not personal.

Oh and i know you're 15 yrs old, I only say that you never know what your future holds. So don't knock it until you try it.

Lol I live in mexico, I just clicked a state at random. and im turning 16 on may 29th anyway...

Kaabulk · May 2007

Originally posted by Nasica

Originally posted by Kaabulk

Originally posted by Nasica

Originally posted by Kaabulk

Originally posted by peaceandlove

Originally posted by Kaabulk

Originally posted by kimmar

I read a post on here the other day about someone being afraid to go into the teaching field because they are gay. I then read in the paper here a few days ago that a teacher recently was forced to quit after teaching for more than 20 years because it was found out he was gay.

I got curious and looked this up on the Internet. It appears it happens a lot but that it just doesn't get much press I supposed. Maybe the teachers themselves just want to get away and leave before it does become a big issue.

Where Are the Civil Rights for Gay and Lesbian Teachers?

I think this is ridiculous. I would not fear my child having a gay teacher one bit. This whole line of b.s. has got to stop sometime. I don't understand how someone can choose to be a teacher, which is a very noble career choice, and then have to fear losing their job because of hateful untrue stereotypes. ESPECIALLY when the person is in their job doing extraordinary work.

The way I look at it, if my child had a gay teacher it would be a perfect opportunity for me to teach them to look past stereotypes and see the individual. I would welcome a gay teacher in my community. I would also defend them if they ever were threatened.

This stuff makes me so angry. Why do some people have to hurt others when they are doing something good with their lives and helping others?

Yea I agree about them doing a good job as a teacher, but I certainly don't want to attend a class with a gay teacher since I don't well...lets just say I don't want him on my pants or any comment he says that freaks me out...thats why no one liks Michael Jackson...

Well, straight comments gross us out too. I lost my virginity when I was 16 to a 25yr old. I was pretty mature for my age, so I considered us to be consenting adults. But if it was a 25yr old woman, it wouldn't sound bad and all you straight guys would literally applaud me. It's sad that I have to bottle up one of the most wonderful days in my life.

um..well can you respect our wishes too and don't tell us about your experience..I will respect yours I suppose as long as you don't tell us about that experience...

While i do agree, that talking about ones sexual exploits is grotesque, regardless of sexual preference. People like Kaabulk provide me with hours and hours of amusement. The only logical explaination for his behavior in the majority of his replies, especially

"lets just say I don't want him on my pants or any comment he says that freaks me out..."

could be that he is afraid of his reaction to the comment, which could only mean that he himself questions his own sexuality and is afraid that if a teacher "gets on his pants" he might actually enjoy it.

Im not gay, not at all. But i am comfortable with my sexuality, so much so, that i know for a fact that if a man gives me a slap on the ass, i wont enjoy it, i wont freak out, and i will have the control to know my reactions to the tee. If, kaabulk, you are such a straight man, and so adament about it, i suggest you try to actually find some comfort in that.

Bottom line is, why do you all really care where this man sticks his penis ? what is all the fascination with gay mens penis' ? why cant you leave sexuality at what it is, sex ?

and you freak me out..plus I prefer a vagina over a penis.

so your pre-op ?

No I meant...prefer to...I don't wish to get banned lets just say I prefer to have sex with a girl then a guy is what I meant...

Kaabulk · May 2007

um dude these forums aren't controlled by the goverment...the internet isn't controlled by any goverment and the only goverment with censors in place is china...and can we stop qouting each other its getting annoying..

Draenor · May 2007

Originally posted by AlexAmore

Originally posted by Draenor

I can't speak about every gay teacher everywhere, but when I was in my first year of college there was a guy that wanted to be an elementary school teacher.

That's a good thing. He wants to help our youth and our future in what can be a stressful and thankless job. You should thank him and wish him luck. He's trying to uplift humanity and your trying to drag him down, maybe because he is generally a happy and cheerful person and you don't like him and so you're jealous?

He was an absolutely flaming homosexual who referred to himself as a "diva". His screenname was something along the lines of "homo-rainbow" (though that's not the actual screenname, RoC is against me posting the entire thing, but that's the jist of it) He was also involved in school drag shows. He referred to his female friends as "fag hags". He also spoke with the most incredibly efeminate voice that I have ever heard in my life, on top of that, he spoke with a lisp.

This stuff actually threatens you? Do you realize how judgmental you are being? You're writing is sounding very condescending and I don't think it's by accident.

This guy was truly your quintessential stereotype of a child molesting gay person.

WHAT!? This makes absolutely no sense at all. First of all I didn't even know there was a "child molesting gay person" stereotype. Who do you think founded that stereotype? Your kind of people (Religious Right).

I ask you: Would you want your elementary age children going to school and being alone in a room with someone like that? Think long and hard before you answer, and answer honestly.

LOL. You just admitted above that all that crap about child molesting gay people was just a STEREOTYPE, which means it's not TRUE!! The children have nothing to fear.

And yes, I know that the guy I knew was an exception, and not an example of what all gay men are like, but that's not my point. My point is that people like him are the reason why so many people have reservations about gay teachers

It's mostly religious right that have the reservations. They at least speak out the most from what i've seen.

...and it REALLY makes you wonder why exactly a guy like him wants to teach elementary school.

This is sad right here. You just admitted that it was a stereotype....and I know it's not an accurate stereotype at all. Do you honestly think this gay man has sexual feeling for children? Or are you going on your instinct with blind faith? Should we be judging and impeding a man's life goals based on a stereotype? WWJD.

I don't know why people think gay people can't be professional while straight people are somehow always professional.

Anyone see that show "How to catch a predator"? I saw a lot of straight people with families...a lot more straight people than gay people. In fact I don't recall seeing one gay person on that show....or anything that resembled Draenor's enemy.

It's a good thing I don't normally read anything that you post...I just read this and I almost threw up.

1: Don't get on my ass about assumptions, when you made an assumption yourself, that assumption being that he wants to be a teacher for the right reasons. You don't know him at all, you don't know why he wants to be a teacher.

2: No, none of that threatens me, that's cute that you need to play the "omg homophobe" card...it doesn't threaten me that he is that way...I was giving examples of how flamboyant he was. As stated by someone else, they had a teacher who was straight, but was known as a womanizer, and I said that I wouldn't want him to be a teacher either. The fact that he's gay is a sidebar, if he were straight and had tendencies that made me wonder about his motives, I would question is then as well.

3: Of course there is a quintessential stereotypical child molester... They are generally sociopathic and embittered towards people in general, this guy was both of those things. And sorry, "my kind of people" Now you're pidgeon holing me after trying to tell me not to do that to others? You are a wonderful example of hypocrisy, and that's why I don't generally read any of the asenine crap that you post.

4: Learn the definition of the word stereotype, you're only proving that you don't have a good grasp of the word by saying that a stereotype is automatically untrue. Of course exceptions to every rule exist, I'm sure there are good asian female drivers out there, as well as chinese kids who suck at math...oh am I doing it again? You can't deny that those are both true stereotypes.

ster·e·o·type (st?r'?-?-t?p', stîr'-) Pronunciation Key

n.

A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.
One that is regarded as embodying or conforming to a set image or type.

5: Don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say that it's not an accurate stereotype, I said that in his case, the things that he does make me wonder. Upallnight wants to be a teacher, and I don't know him in real life, I would never say "nope, you're gay, you can't be a teacher" because that's retarded. But when I see the way a person interacts and behaves with others, I get a good idea of what their motives might be. Since you didn't KNOW the person that I KNEW, I suggest you stop making your idiotic assumptions about him and how he behaved, because you simply don't know. I didn't say for sure that he wanted to be a teacher so he could molest children, I said that the way he behaved caused me to question his motives...and if you think THAT is wrong of me, then I think you're an even bigger idiot than I already think you are.

Is it against the RoC to say "I THINK you're an idiot" ? I know we can call arguments idiotic...so how about this: "Every argument that you made in your post was based on a lack of knowledge and a general distrust for religious people because you have us stereotyped as wanting to squelch human civil rights, and that's idiotic of you."

I LOVE righteous indignation.

Kaabulk · May 2007

totally nailed him there Draenor...

Draenor · May 2007

Originally posted by Kaabulk

totally nailed him there Draenor...

Hypocrites are easy to argue against because you can almost always trap them in their own logic.

Kaabulk · May 2007

Originally posted by peaceandlove

Originally posted by Kaabulk

um dude these forums aren't controlled by the goverment...the internet isn't controlled by any goverment and the only goverment with censors in place is china...and can we stop qouting each other its getting annoying..

These forums are censored, lol. Where have you been? You think censorship is only controlled by government? You have to understand the meaning of words before you can come in here and post mkay?

Sorry I have misunderstood you in your previous post. I thoguht you were suggesting that liberals were taking over the U.S. and starting to censor things.

Kaabulk · May 2007

so...your saying im gay?

lol..dude, if I was gay I would probably not care about disclosing it to some random person on the internet because they probably don't know me.

Draenor · May 2007

Originally posted by peaceandlove

Originally posted by Kaabulk

Originally posted by peaceandlove

Originally posted by Kaabulk

um dude these forums aren't controlled by the goverment...the internet isn't controlled by any goverment and the only goverment with censors in place is china...and can we stop qouting each other its getting annoying..

These forums are censored, lol. Where have you been? You think censorship is only controlled by government? You have to understand the meaning of words before you can come in here and post mkay?

Sorry I have misunderstood you in your previous post. I thoguht you were suggesting that liberals were taking over the U.S. and starting to censor things.

We are.

This is a liberal website. It's obvious. Just like you didn't say what you wanted to, in fear of being banned (censorship). So you must know what I'm talking about, or else you would have posted what you wanted to really say. But you won't (controlled).

I'm not afraid of saying what I want to say on this site...I've been banned once, not counting the time I got it lifted after I petitioned it. What do I want to say right now?

Everything that you post makes me sad inside...and I still can't figure out if you're for real or just somebody trying out a social experiment and acting totally outlandish just for fun.

Draenor · May 2007

Originally posted by peaceandlove

Originally posted by Kaabulk

so...your saying im gay?

lol..dude, if I was gay I would probably not care about disclosing it to some random person on the internet because they probably don't know me.

eh no, I didn't say that. Where did that come from?

You were talking about saying something negative about gays but didn't want to say anything in fear of being banned. I was telling you how you are censored. Then I had to explain what censorship was to you. Then you asked about liberals controlling censorship, and I explained to you how you were controlled by liberal censorship by being afraid of exercising you rights of freedom of speech in this thread.

And the answer was.......because we are taking it away from you.

I love how you're so unabashedly proud of the injustices of the world...it puts a smile on my face, but still gives me a sinking feeling in my gut that I know that you're more or less correct...just not about the part where "it's a good thing"

btw, i wouldn't call what happens on this site liberal censorship...it's an internet forum and people are expected to stay civil, no matter what issue they are discussing...I can't go around telling atheists that they are morons due to being atheists...just like atheists can't go around calling religious people retards for being religious...At least it's not a double standard.

noname12345 · May 2007

Originally posted by Draenor

Originally posted by AlexAmore

Originally posted by Draenor

I can't speak about every gay teacher everywhere, but when I was in my first year of college there was a guy that wanted to be an elementary school teacher.

That's a good thing. He wants to help our youth and our future in what can be a stressful and thankless job. You should thank him and wish him luck. He's trying to uplift humanity and your trying to drag him down, maybe because he is generally a happy and cheerful person and you don't like him and so you're jealous?

He was an absolutely flaming homosexual who referred to himself as a "diva". His screenname was something along the lines of "homo-rainbow" (though that's not the actual screenname, RoC is against me posting the entire thing, but that's the jist of it) He was also involved in school drag shows. He referred to his female friends as "fag hags". He also spoke with the most incredibly efeminate voice that I have ever heard in my life, on top of that, he spoke with a lisp.

This stuff actually threatens you? Do you realize how judgmental you are being? You're writing is sounding very condescending and I don't think it's by accident.

This guy was truly your quintessential stereotype of a child molesting gay person.

WHAT!? This makes absolutely no sense at all. First of all I didn't even know there was a "child molesting gay person" stereotype. Who do you think founded that stereotype? Your kind of people (Religious Right).

I ask you: Would you want your elementary age children going to school and being alone in a room with someone like that? Think long and hard before you answer, and answer honestly.

LOL. You just admitted above that all that crap about child molesting gay people was just a STEREOTYPE, which means it's not TRUE!! The children have nothing to fear.

And yes, I know that the guy I knew was an exception, and not an example of what all gay men are like, but that's not my point. My point is that people like him are the reason why so many people have reservations about gay teachers

It's mostly religious right that have the reservations. They at least speak out the most from what i've seen.

...and it REALLY makes you wonder why exactly a guy like him wants to teach elementary school.

This is sad right here. You just admitted that it was a stereotype....and I know it's not an accurate stereotype at all. Do you honestly think this gay man has sexual feeling for children? Or are you going on your instinct with blind faith? Should we be judging and impeding a man's life goals based on a stereotype? WWJD.

I don't know why people think gay people can't be professional while straight people are somehow always professional.

Anyone see that show "How to catch a predator"? I saw a lot of straight people with families...a lot more straight people than gay people. In fact I don't recall seeing one gay person on that show....or anything that resembled Draenor's enemy.

It's a good thing I don't normally read anything that you post...I just read this and I almost threw up.

1: Don't get on my ass about assumptions, when you made an assumption yourself, that assumption being that he wants to be a teacher for the right reasons. You don't know him at all, you don't know why he wants to be a teacher.

My reply was completely congruent to your post and the way you wrote it. If you left stuff out of it or misrepresented your position, then that is your fault and not mine. You wrote about a bunch of his traits with a negative tone throughout your first paragraph and at the end of that paragraph you asked us if we really wanted someone such as that teaching children. I only had the stuff YOU wrote, and so naturally I figured you would write the most important stuff about him so I could know more about him. Apparently "I don't know him at all" so I don't know why the hell you f'ing asked me the questtion!! How in God's name can I think "long and hard" about someone I don't know anything about!?!? ...hypocrite. Did you think I could come to the same conclusion as you if I don't know the whole story or even a little bit of it, if I don't him at all?

2: No, none of that threatens me, that's cute that you need to play the "omg homophobe" card...it doesn't threaten me that he is that way...I was giving examples of how flamboyant he was. As stated by someone else, they had a teacher who was straight, but was known as a womanizer, and I said that I wouldn't want him to be a teacher either. The fact that he's gay is a sidebar, if he were straight and had tendencies that made me wonder about his motives, I would question is then as well.

Yet you mention nothing about any tendencies...just his homosexual ways. I am somehow suppose to come to a conclusion to your questions or at least get anything out your post but apparently all you wrote was a bunch fluff....according to you.

3: Of course there is a quintessential stereotypical child molester... They are generally sociopathic and embittered towards people in general, this guy was both of those things.

But you didn't mention any of the really important stuff and just talked about his email and lisp...crap like that for the body of the post.

And sorry, "my kind of people" Now you're pidgeon holing me after trying to tell me not to do that to others? You are a wonderful example of hypocrisy, and that's why I don't generally read any of the asenine crap that you post.

You are religious right and I said religious right started the stereotype of child molesting gay people. Religious right are your kind of people, but if you don't think so then tell me who you side with and i will apologize.

4: Learn the definition of the word stereotype, you're only proving that you don't have a good grasp of the word by saying that a stereotype is automatically untrue. Of course exceptions to every rule exist, I'm sure there are good asian female drivers out there, as well as chinese kids who suck at math...oh am I doing it again? You can't deny that those are both true stereotypes.

ster·e·o·type (st?r'?-?-t?p', stîr'-) Pronunciation Key

n.

A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.

OVERsimplified opinion...key words here. Child molesting gay person is an oversimplified opinion.
One that is regarded as embodying or conforming to a set image or type.

5: Don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say that it's not an accurate stereotype, I said that in his case, the things that he does make me wonder.

You gave us all that fluff about him having a lisp, calling himself a diva, have a funny rainbow email, and then immediately concluded: "This guy was truely your quintessential stereotype of a child molesting gay person". Naturally I assumed based on the format of your paragraph that the aforementioned traits of this gay person was what gave you your conclusion.

Upallnight wants to be a teacher, and I don't know him in real life, I would never say "nope, you're gay, you can't be a teacher" because that's retarded. But when I see the way a person interacts and behaves with others, I get a good idea of what their motives might be. Since you didn't KNOW the person that I KNEW, I suggest you stop making your idiotic assumptions about him and how he behaved, because you simply don't know.

Then don't ask questions...you might just get answers.

I didn't say for sure that he wanted to be a teacher so he could molest children, I said that the way he behaved caused me to question his motives...and if you think THAT is wrong of me, then I think you're an even bigger idiot than I already think you are.

Is it against the RoC to say "I THINK you're an idiot" ? I know we can call arguments idiotic...so how about this: "Every argument that you made in your post was based on a lack of knowledge and a general distrust for religious people because you have us stereotyped as wanting to squelch human civil rights, and that's idiotic of you."

I LOVE righteous indignation.

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