I really can't see why people should worry about a gay teacher any more than a straight one. I'd probably have more concerns about a 15 year old daughter getting private tuition from Mr Creepy than a 15 year old son getting tuition from Mr Queenie. In fact there would be even less to be concerned about if the gay teacher was known to be in a long term relationship, but of course the same parents who complain about the gay teacher, probably would want the law to prevent such a relationship in the first place.
The one contraversial point I might make is that if there is statistically more chance for a gay educator to do something inappropriate to a pupil (such as we see in the media about Catholic priests and choir boys), the reason would likely lie in the attitudes of society in the first place. If someone feels they have to hide and surpress their sexuality, it would seem that there's more chance that that sexuality will rear its head in a manner it shouldn't, especially in the case of someone in a position of power over others.
I really can't see why people should worry about a gay teacher any more than a straight one. I'd probably have more concerns about a 15 year old daughter getting private tuition from Mr Creepy than a 15 year old son getting tuition from Mr Queenie. In fact there would be even less to be concerned about if the gay teacher was known to be in a long term relationship, but of course the same parents who complain about the gay teacher, probably would want the law to prevent such a relationship in the first place.
The one contraversial point I might make is that if there is statistically more chance for a gay educator to do something inappropriate to a pupil (such as we see in the media about Catholic priests and choir boys), the reason would likely lie in the attitudes of society in the first place. If someone feels they have to hide and surpress their sexuality, it would seem that there's more chance that that sexuality will rear its head in a manner it shouldn't, especially in the case of someone in a position of power over others.
You may be right about what happens to people when they have to hide their sexuality. That may just happen to some people. But it's never really had that effect on me. I tend to internalize it and it expresses itself in a heavy shame I feel. Not a shame in the sense that I'm doing something wrong and know it, because I know that I have never consciously sat down and decided to be gay. But just a shame that I wish everyone would not judge me falsely.
I have some horrible issues with my self-esteem. I know exactly where they come from, but I haven't developed any real coping mechanisms yet. I don't know if I ever will. Mostly because I keep this hope that someday I may not need to know how to cope. I keep hoping people will just understand and accept me for who I am.
And if I did ever decide to become a teacher and people found out about me, I'm not sure I could stand ever going back and having to deal with that. I wouldn't feel at all comfortable returning to work or having to deal with the questions and comments. Why should anyone have to deal with that when they are simply trying to work and make a difference in the world? It all seems so backwards to me.
um dude these forums aren't controlled by the goverment...the internet isn't controlled by any goverment and the only goverment with censors in place is china...and can we stop qouting each other its getting annoying..
These forums are censored, lol. Where have you been? You think censorship is only controlled by government? You have to understand the meaning of words before you can come in here and post mkay?
Sorry I have misunderstood you in your previous post. I thoguht you were suggesting that liberals were taking over the U.S. and starting to censor things.
We are.
This is a liberal website. It's obvious. Just like you didn't say what you wanted to, in fear of being banned (censorship). So you must know what I'm talking about, or else you would have posted what you wanted to really say. But you won't (controlled).
I'm not afraid of saying what I want to say on this site...I've been banned once, not counting the time I got it lifted after I petitioned it. What do I want to say right now?
Everything that you post makes me sad inside...and I still can't figure out if you're for real or just somebody trying out a social experiment and acting totally outlandish just for fun.
If I was addressing you, I would have quoted you. In other words, I wasn't talking to you.
I know you're not affraid of saying what you want on this site. Just like I'm not affraid of reporting you. If that gets you banned then oh well. Don't start harrassing me because you got banned the other day.
Look, I know you are the "coolest " guy on this website. It must be quite the accomplishment. But I fail to see how your hateful or racist remarks that you have made makes you so "popular". If hate and racism is considered cool, then this world is doomed.
I'm not in the mood to argue with you anymore. I just wanted to let you know why I choose not to reply to you. All you ever do is make some kind of jokes about me being Jewish. Racism and hate is not allowed here and I will report it as I see fit.
If you can talk your way out of a ban, great, but mocking admins by bragging about it on thier forums, may not help you next time.
I can take what you were telling to someone else and apply it to how I feel about things if I am so inclined.
I didn't get banned the other day and don't know what you're talking about. I havn't been banned in a few months.
nothing I have said in this thread has been hateful or racist. Angry? Yeah, AlexaMoore pisses me off with a lot of the stuff he posts, but I have every right to tell him off if he says something stupid.
I've never made a joke about you being jewish, ever. I have questioned how you rectify your outspoken homosexuality with your jewish faith, that's not making jokes, that's a legitimate question.
I talked my way out of an unjust ban that was given to me by someone who was abusing their mod privelages.
This is why I have so much trouble taking you seriously...the things you say are just so extreme and without any kind of sentiment, I can't help but think that you just say inflamatory things to piss people off. I would be willing to bet a decent amount of money that you are neither jewish, nor gay.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I really can't see why people should worry about a gay teacher any more than a straight one. I'd probably have more concerns about a 15 year old daughter getting private tuition from Mr Creepy than a 15 year old son getting tuition from Mr Queenie. In fact there would be even less to be concerned about if the gay teacher was known to be in a long term relationship, but of course the same parents who complain about the gay teacher, probably would want the law to prevent such a relationship in the first place.
The one contraversial point I might make is that if there is statistically more chance for a gay educator to do something inappropriate to a pupil (such as we see in the media about Catholic priests and choir boys), the reason would likely lie in the attitudes of society in the first place. If someone feels they have to hide and surpress their sexuality, it would seem that there's more chance that that sexuality will rear its head in a manner it shouldn't, especially in the case of someone in a position of power over others.
You may be right about what happens to people when they have to hide their sexuality. That may just happen to some people. But it's never really had that effect on me. I tend to internalize it and it expresses itself in a heavy shame I feel. Not a shame in the sense that I'm doing something wrong and know it, because I know that I have never consciously sat down and decided to be gay. But just a shame that I wish everyone would not judge me falsely.
I have some horrible issues with my self-esteem. I know exactly where they come from, but I haven't developed any real coping mechanisms yet. I don't know if I ever will. Mostly because I keep this hope that someday I may not need to know how to cope. I keep hoping people will just understand and accept me for who I am.
And if I did ever decide to become a teacher and people found out about me, I'm not sure I could stand ever going back and having to deal with that. I wouldn't feel at all comfortable returning to work or having to deal with the questions and comments. Why should anyone have to deal with that when they are simply trying to work and make a difference in the world? It all seems so backwards to me. I honestly could not imagine having to endure what a gay person in our society goes through. I don't think I could stand it either. People are so freakin' mean to each other over the most petty and unimportant things.
It's like this whole gay marriage issue. It's really not an issue that means a damn thing to anyone unless they are gay. Yet people get so worked up over it to the point where they will rush to the polls to amend state and federal Constitutions. Yet you've got illegals coming across our borders, a war going on that's costing us billions of dollars, and freedoms that are being taken away from us at an alarming rate, and nobody gets worked up hardly at all over that. Those are things that actually DO matter. You throw an election to amend their state Constitutions against gays and they are hot at the voting booth though.
It's insanity at an extreme. Just look at the gay posts on this website and how some people get so worked up on them. It's an unimportant matter that people can't stand to let be.
It's amazing that life could be so good for everyone but instead we create 99% of our problems in life. If we concentrated on getting along with each other then the only thing we would have to worry about are natural disasters as problems. And even then those wouldn't be so bad because we'd actually give a f*ck about other people who get hurt enough to do something to help them out.
I would not mind one single bit if my kids teacher were gay. And if he was a flamer then who cares, most of them are hilarious and would keep my kid interested in the subject. It's better than some dry boring teacher who puts my child to sleep.
Personnally I have no problem with a teacher been gay in MOST classes.
It is obvious to me that a gay teacher shouldn't teach morality, sexuality, psychology or such classes. But Maths? Litteratures? Poetry? Physics? Sure thing.
Gay folks may say what they want, they can't teach morality, sexuality or psychology. And this is not flexible or negociable. Just like to teach catholism in a school, you should be catholic (a muslim shouldn't teach catholism)...if you are to teach morality, sexuality or psychology, you must belong to the mainstream of what society is and want. Accepting weirdos and minority folks is something, but there is a limit that can't be crossed...between acceptation and integration...I won't become gay myself to show gay peoples we accept them, likewise, I don't want a biaised ideology been promoted in "ethic" classes, acceptation and promotion is a different thing.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Personnally I have no problem with a teacher been gay in MOST classes.
It is obvious to me that a gay teacher shouldn't teach morality, sexuality, psychology or such classes. But Maths? Litteratures? Poetry? Physics? Sure thing.
Gay folks may say what they want, they can't teach morality, sexuality or psychology. And this is not flexible or negociable. Just like to teach catholism in a school, you should be catholic (a muslim shouldn't teach catholism)...if you are to teach morality, sexuality or psychology, you must belong to the mainstream of what society is and want. Accepting weirdos and minority folks is something, but there is a limit that can't be crossed...between acceptation and integration...I won't become gay myself to show gay peoples we accept them, likewise, I don't want a biaised ideology been promoted in "ethic" classes, acceptation and promotion is a different thing.
I don't quite agree, saying that because someone has a sexual belief outside the norm isn't to say that they don't understand concepts of morality or is unable to teach sex ed. I could understand if the teacher was actively teaching a gay agenda, but suggesting that other educators don't bring their own biases to the subject while gays do, that would just be a lie.
Personnally I have no problem with a teacher been gay in MOST classes.
It is obvious to me that a gay teacher shouldn't teach morality, sexuality, psychology or such classes. But Maths? Litteratures? Poetry? Physics? Sure thing.
Gay folks may say what they want, they can't teach morality, sexuality or psychology. And this is not flexible or negociable. Just like to teach catholism in a school, you should be catholic (a muslim shouldn't teach catholism)...if you are to teach morality, sexuality or psychology, you must belong to the mainstream of what society is and want. Accepting weirdos and minority folks is something, but there is a limit that can't be crossed...between acceptation and integration...I won't become gay myself to show gay peoples we accept them, likewise, I don't want a biaised ideology been promoted in "ethic" classes, acceptation and promotion is a different thing.
What teachers teach morality in schools? What is the class called? Morality is subjective, even straight people disagree with morality...shocking, I know. If you're going to teach morals of certain cultures then why can't a gay person teach it? A gay person isn't any more likely to outright lie about a culture's morals than a straight person.
Gay people can easily address abstinence, pressures to become prematurely involved in sexual intercourse, and the use of contraception and other sexual health measures. Why would gay people lie here as opposed to straight people? Do you think gay people are ignorant, especially college educated gay people? They aren't going to be teaching this stuff without being educated in it first...school policy....duh.
Psychology is really fundemental. I have no idea why you brought this up. There's way more to psychology than sexuality...unless all that you have in your brain is sex, sex, sex....but that's your problem.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
Personnally I have no problem with a teacher been gay in MOST classes.
It is obvious to me that a gay teacher shouldn't teach morality, sexuality, psychology or such classes. But Maths? Litteratures? Poetry? Physics? Sure thing.
Gay folks may say what they want, they can't teach morality, sexuality or psychology. And this is not flexible or negociable. Just like to teach catholism in a school, you should be catholic (a muslim shouldn't teach catholism)...if you are to teach morality, sexuality or psychology, you must belong to the mainstream of what society is and want. Accepting weirdos and minority folks is something, but there is a limit that can't be crossed...between acceptation and integration...I won't become gay myself to show gay peoples we accept them, likewise, I don't want a biaised ideology been promoted in "ethic" classes, acceptation and promotion is a different thing.
Apparently a straight person taught you spelling and grammar.
Oh, and by the way. I'll accept the idea of "weirdo's", as you call them, when you can show me a "normalo".
Personnally I have no problem with a teacher been gay in MOST classes.
It is obvious to me that a gay teacher shouldn't teach morality, sexuality, psychology or such classes. But Maths? Litteratures? Poetry? Physics? Sure thing.
Gay folks may say what they want, they can't teach morality, sexuality or psychology. And this is not flexible or negociable. Just like to teach catholism in a school, you should be catholic (a muslim shouldn't teach catholism)...if you are to teach morality, sexuality or psychology, you must belong to the mainstream of what society is and want. Accepting weirdos and minority folks is something, but there is a limit that can't be crossed...between acceptation and integration...I won't become gay myself to show gay peoples we accept them, likewise, I don't want a biaised ideology been promoted in "ethic" classes, acceptation and promotion is a different thing.
Apparently a straight person taught you spelling and grammar.
Oh, and by the way. I'll accept the idea of "weirdo's", as you call them, when you can show me a "normalo".
In my effort to spoof your post and find a picture of Rollo's chocolate and replace the label with "normalo" I found this interesting bit of information
" Two innovative Hungarians, Gyuszi and Attila, came up with the idea to have a slick and fabulous bar where you need, you guessed it, a key to get in the front door but contrary to popular belief, that never actually ended up happening. What Keybar did make happen though was a unique menu of martinis and shots, including the Rollo chocolate shot, the Unicum, a traditional Hungarian herbal concoction, and their own rendition of the cosmopolitan—the Keypolitan. Three-dollar well drinks are available during happy hour every night of the week from 6 to 9 p.m. "
Hungarians ftw gogo
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Originally posted by Anofalye I won't become gay myself to show gay peoples we accept them, likewise, I don't want a biaised ideology been promoted in "ethic" classes, acceptation and promotion is a different thing.
Somehow, I don't think they'd let you into the Honeycomb Hideout. That's where the the leaders of the Gay Power Movement plan out the next moves for The Gay Agenda, like turning everyone gay with their satellite based Fag Ray.
I understand it's quote the honor to be allowed entrance.
Lol I love the way Dreanor and Alex are always at loggerheads with eachother, though it seems the latter takes any chance he can get to start an argument.
Lol I love the way Dreanor and Alex are always at loggerheads with eachother, though it seems the latter takes any chance he can get to start an argument.
I don't love it...but if he wants to persist in being proven wrong over and over again, I feel obliged to let him have that right.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
i have no problems with gay teachers as long as they dont push gay agendas on the students. just the same i have a problem with teachers that push their political views and any other agends that they have on the students. thats not what they are there for. they are ther to teach the curriculum. also as long as they arent blatant about their sexuality which also goes for straight teachers.
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The one contraversial point I might make is that if there is statistically more chance for a gay educator to do something inappropriate to a pupil (such as we see in the media about Catholic priests and choir boys), the reason would likely lie in the attitudes of society in the first place. If someone feels they have to hide and surpress their sexuality, it would seem that there's more chance that that sexuality will rear its head in a manner it shouldn't, especially in the case of someone in a position of power over others.
I have some horrible issues with my self-esteem. I know exactly where they come from, but I haven't developed any real coping mechanisms yet. I don't know if I ever will. Mostly because I keep this hope that someday I may not need to know how to cope. I keep hoping people will just understand and accept me for who I am.
And if I did ever decide to become a teacher and people found out about me, I'm not sure I could stand ever going back and having to deal with that. I wouldn't feel at all comfortable returning to work or having to deal with the questions and comments. Why should anyone have to deal with that when they are simply trying to work and make a difference in the world? It all seems so backwards to me.
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Sorry I have misunderstood you in your previous post. I thoguht you were suggesting that liberals were taking over the U.S. and starting to censor things.
We are.
This is a liberal website. It's obvious. Just like you didn't say what you wanted to, in fear of being banned (censorship). So you must know what I'm talking about, or else you would have posted what you wanted to really say. But you won't (controlled).
I'm not afraid of saying what I want to say on this site...I've been banned once, not counting the time I got it lifted after I petitioned it. What do I want to say right now?
Everything that you post makes me sad inside...and I still can't figure out if you're for real or just somebody trying out a social experiment and acting totally outlandish just for fun.
If I was addressing you, I would have quoted you. In other words, I wasn't talking to you.
I know you're not affraid of saying what you want on this site. Just like I'm not affraid of reporting you. If that gets you banned then oh well. Don't start harrassing me because you got banned the other day.
Look, I know you are the "coolest " guy on this website. It must be quite the accomplishment. But I fail to see how your hateful or racist remarks that you have made makes you so "popular". If hate and racism is considered cool, then this world is doomed.
I'm not in the mood to argue with you anymore. I just wanted to let you know why I choose not to reply to you. All you ever do is make some kind of jokes about me being Jewish. Racism and hate is not allowed here and I will report it as I see fit.
If you can talk your way out of a ban, great, but mocking admins by bragging about it on thier forums, may not help you next time.
I can take what you were telling to someone else and apply it to how I feel about things if I am so inclined.
I didn't get banned the other day and don't know what you're talking about. I havn't been banned in a few months.
nothing I have said in this thread has been hateful or racist. Angry? Yeah, AlexaMoore pisses me off with a lot of the stuff he posts, but I have every right to tell him off if he says something stupid.
I've never made a joke about you being jewish, ever. I have questioned how you rectify your outspoken homosexuality with your jewish faith, that's not making jokes, that's a legitimate question.
I talked my way out of an unjust ban that was given to me by someone who was abusing their mod privelages.
This is why I have so much trouble taking you seriously...the things you say are just so extreme and without any kind of sentiment, I can't help but think that you just say inflamatory things to piss people off. I would be willing to bet a decent amount of money that you are neither jewish, nor gay.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I have some horrible issues with my self-esteem. I know exactly where they come from, but I haven't developed any real coping mechanisms yet. I don't know if I ever will. Mostly because I keep this hope that someday I may not need to know how to cope. I keep hoping people will just understand and accept me for who I am.
And if I did ever decide to become a teacher and people found out about me, I'm not sure I could stand ever going back and having to deal with that. I wouldn't feel at all comfortable returning to work or having to deal with the questions and comments. Why should anyone have to deal with that when they are simply trying to work and make a difference in the world? It all seems so backwards to me.
It's like this whole gay marriage issue. It's really not an issue that means a damn thing to anyone unless they are gay. Yet people get so worked up over it to the point where they will rush to the polls to amend state and federal Constitutions. Yet you've got illegals coming across our borders, a war going on that's costing us billions of dollars, and freedoms that are being taken away from us at an alarming rate, and nobody gets worked up hardly at all over that. Those are things that actually DO matter. You throw an election to amend their state Constitutions against gays and they are hot at the voting booth though.
It's insanity at an extreme. Just look at the gay posts on this website and how some people get so worked up on them. It's an unimportant matter that people can't stand to let be.
It's amazing that life could be so good for everyone but instead we create 99% of our problems in life. If we concentrated on getting along with each other then the only thing we would have to worry about are natural disasters as problems. And even then those wouldn't be so bad because we'd actually give a f*ck about other people who get hurt enough to do something to help them out.
I would not mind one single bit if my kids teacher were gay. And if he was a flamer then who cares, most of them are hilarious and would keep my kid interested in the subject. It's better than some dry boring teacher who puts my child to sleep.
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Personnally I have no problem with a teacher been gay in MOST classes.
It is obvious to me that a gay teacher shouldn't teach morality, sexuality, psychology or such classes. But Maths? Litteratures? Poetry? Physics? Sure thing.
Gay folks may say what they want, they can't teach morality, sexuality or psychology. And this is not flexible or negociable. Just like to teach catholism in a school, you should be catholic (a muslim shouldn't teach catholism)...if you are to teach morality, sexuality or psychology, you must belong to the mainstream of what society is and want. Accepting weirdos and minority folks is something, but there is a limit that can't be crossed...between acceptation and integration...I won't become gay myself to show gay peoples we accept them, likewise, I don't want a biaised ideology been promoted in "ethic" classes, acceptation and promotion is a different thing.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Gay people can easily address abstinence, pressures to become prematurely involved in sexual intercourse, and the use of contraception and other sexual health measures. Why would gay people lie here as opposed to straight people? Do you think gay people are ignorant, especially college educated gay people? They aren't going to be teaching this stuff without being educated in it first...school policy....duh.
Psychology is really fundemental. I have no idea why you brought this up. There's way more to psychology than sexuality...unless all that you have in your brain is sex, sex, sex....but that's your problem.
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
Oh, and by the way. I'll accept the idea of "weirdo's", as you call them, when you can show me a "normalo".
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Oh, and by the way. I'll accept the idea of "weirdo's", as you call them, when you can show me a "normalo".
In my effort to spoof your post and find a picture of Rollo's chocolate and replace the label with "normalo" I found this interesting bit of information
" Two innovative Hungarians, Gyuszi and Attila, came up with the idea to have a slick and fabulous bar where you need, you guessed it, a key to get in the front door but contrary to popular belief, that never actually ended up happening. What Keybar did make happen though was a unique menu of martinis and shots, including the Rollo chocolate shot, the Unicum, a traditional Hungarian herbal concoction, and their own rendition of the cosmopolitan—the Keypolitan. Three-dollar well drinks are available during happy hour every night of the week from 6 to 9 p.m. "
Hungarians ftw gogo
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Somehow, I don't think they'd let you into the Honeycomb Hideout. That's where the the leaders of the Gay Power Movement plan out the next moves for The Gay Agenda, like turning everyone gay with their satellite based Fag Ray.
I understand it's quote the honor to be allowed entrance.
Lol I love the way Dreanor and Alex are always at loggerheads with eachother, though it seems the latter takes any chance he can get to start an argument.
O_o o_O
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.