Look at me, I'm going to make idiotic vaporware conjectures about a game which has more proof of existance than Age of Conan. Good God man grow some balls. As far as we both know AoC could go down the hole before DFO. I was simply pointing out that if you contrast the "next-gen" features of the two games, DFO surpasses AoC. And no DX10 graphics don't count as a feature.
Features never seen before in AoC:
-spellweaving
-soul corruption
-semi to exceptionally realistic mounted combat
-true collision detection, including characters getting the crap trampled out of them by aforementioned cavalry.
-formation combat that actually means something tactically, and doesn't leave players screaming at their leaders to turn it off so they don't all die (Shadowbane anyone?)
-crafting levels advanced by quests, not grinding.
Items that have been used only rarely, and are usually ignored by the average developer:
-skill/level hybrid system, properly done, this embodies the best of both worlds.
-overarching storyline that is constantly and consistantly in motion
-guild city sieges, both PvE and PvP
-voiceover NPC communication with multiple dialogue options
-customizable equipment
Items that have been significantly improved over what is commonly seen on the market:
-Combat AI: A lone enemy might run, set up an ambush and/or get help from its pack/band/nest/etc. before attacking if it feels outmatched. Enemies of all kinds are likely to go for the weakest in a crowd, people trying to "tank" will have to physically block their path.
-out of combat AI: The cities are alive with activity as NPCs fulfill their current "needs". Think a couple hundred Sims left on their own, only these guys don't piss themselves out of stupidity. NPCs, and the people they know, will treat you differently depending on what they know (and what they think they know) about you. For example, that widow you helped out before might wave and give you a much warmer greeting than before you did the related quest, whether or not you actually engage her in conversation.
-Whatever the final result of the debate over raiding may be, Its been shown quite clearly that even if there is any advantage towards raiders and their gear, said advantage is minimal at worst.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
I hope its still just as enjoyable for people who until now thought conan was a lame childs cartoon about a man with a big sword fighting "skeletor". Anyhow this looks fun, and i want to shed some blood. Its practically the sole reason I can't decide between buying a new PC or xbox 360. I hope my mom lets me play
The list of NEW features of AoC is still kind of heresay, since they've barely showed a glimmer in any of it in the videos. Just words on a web page for now. For god sakes, the game is all about PvP, and they haven't shown one decent PvP video yet. Same with working collision Detection. Everything just looks like button mashing and hack n slash that we've been doing in console games for years now. Just sticking it online doesn't make it good.
It'll certainly be a let down for a lot of people hyping it up too much. This is Funcom folks. Their history is quite suspect. I'm just hoping that their combat system doesn't become a laggy mess when 20 players are on screen at once. You think a combat system like that will hold up when you're getting hit by players that look like they've 20 ft away or getting blocked by players that aren't there. In a turn based MMOG, you can kind of get away with it every once in a while, but in an "action game" thats going to get frustrating really quick.
All of those expecting the mature gore will somehow keep "kids" away are living in fairy land=) The only thing that will keep the kids away is the chance of the game sucking, since mature adults are the only ones who play boring MMOGs. The best thing all the high and mighty elitsts can hope for is that AoC is as boring as Eve, so most people avoid it like the plague. FunCom won't be happy, but elitists never care about the finncnial goals of a company;)
Darkfall Online is the next big thing, AoC is middle ground between current MMO and next-gen. AoC's hardware req will bump out a lot of casual gamers.
So you're saying the next big trend in MMORPGs is that we'll play imaginary games that never actually release, so we won't even need computers or Xboxes?
Interesting take on the genre, but I think you may be ahead of your time with that idea.
Look at me, I'm going to make idiotic vaporware conjectures about a game which has more proof of existance than Age of Conan. Good God man grow some balls. As far as we both know AoC could go down the hole before DFO. I was simply pointing out that if you contrast the "next-gen" features of the two games, DFO surpasses AoC. And no DX10 graphics don't count as a feature.
I'm sorry I burst your bubble, but don't get your knickers in a wad about it. AoC might be fun, and they might finish DFO in another 7 years so you can play it then.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on AoC to "go down the hole" before DFO.
The list of NEW features of AoC is still kind of heresay, since they've barely showed a glimmer in any of it in the videos. Just words on a web page for now. For god sakes, the game is all about PvP, and they haven't shown one decent PvP video yet. Same with working collision Detection. Everything just looks like button mashing and hack n slash that we've been doing in console games for years now. Just sticking it online doesn't make it good. It'll certainly be a let down for a lot of people hyping it up too much. This is Funcom folks. Their history is quite suspect. I'm just hoping that their combat system doesn't become a laggy mess when 20 players are on screen at once. You think a combat system like that will hold up when you're getting hit by players that look like they've 20 ft away or getting blocked by players that aren't there. In a turn based MMOG, you can kind of get away with it every once in a while, but in an "action game" thats going to get frustrating really quick. All of those expecting the mature gore will somehow keep "kids" away are living in fairy land=) The only thing that will keep the kids away is the chance of the game sucking, since mature adults are the only ones who play boring MMOGs. The best thing all the high and mighty elitsts can hope for is that AoC is as boring as Eve, so most people avoid it like the plague. FunCom won't be happy, but elitists never care about the finncnial goals of a company;)
Funny, my experience with Funcom and its developers has shown them time and again to be some of the most reliable and honest people in the business. Not that that statement on its own is saying much. And every single item on my list has been confirmed by developers. Sure, some things might get cut out by the time release comes, but that is a risk all fans take when following a developing game. As to the mature rating, no it won't keep kids out, but it will help. It is up to the community at large and whatever FC decides to call the ARK program here to do the rest. Assuming a stable mature (maturity here is a factor of behavior rather than age) environment is achieved soon after launch, it is a relatively simple matter to keep it that way.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
I reckon hardcore gamesworkshop fans will be on WAR, sci-fi fans will be on tabula rasa, people addicted to WoW still on WoW and virtually everybody else on AoC in the future. If AoC has the addiction factor WoW has i'm sure it can beat thier 8Mil player base, also since 360 players will be on it also. We need to wait for the AoC comunity to develope first, it hopefully should be more mature.
this video is abit long and not the best made. But still its like 20 minutes going through gameplay in AoC which shows some really awesoem features which you cannot understand well when somebody types them. Shame it doesn't cover any of the large amount fo magic in the game. i'm gona go and contain my excitement.
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Let me just clarify that I am not a hater of the current mmos. There are some solid titles out there that are worth playing. However the thrill and complete immersion I felt while playing EQ and the early days of SWG has long since fled. While I still enjoy playing mmos over console and single player titles, I am definately anticipating a game that will truly utilize the limitless potential of the mmorpg genre. Age of Conan has been critically acclaimed by most of the insiders who've had a chance to play it. The features funcom promise are pretty exciting, real time combat, large scale pvp, player villiages, mature themes, and an enormous detailed world, to name a few. For my own part, just the fact that the mature content will limit it's exposure among the 12 year olds playing WoW is a draw. Not that I'm critcizing kids who game mind you, I've met some who are just fine to run with, as well as older gamers who were complete asshats. Immaturity in chat channels doesn't bother me, that's what ignore is for. I'm just tired of people going afk five times in an instance due to 'mom agro'. And we have an IP that isn't neccessarily bogged down with continuity and canon for the fanbois to pressure the devs with. Ancient world, evil magic, sexy chicks, musclebound savages lopping off heads, have fun guys. Not that the stories aren't intricate mind you, but I very much doubt that you'll see endless posts about canon incositensies. These type of arguements detract from improved gameplay and guaranteeing a fun experiance, and I've seen them ruin mmos. My gut tells me that October 30 is a realistic launch date. Of course that would meen it's the first mmo in history that went live on time, but I'll bet we see it by the end of the year. I for one am ready to play.
I seemed to recall about this time last year how "critically acclaimed" Vanguard was becoming.
Please be very careful not to over hype or over extend the possibilities of any game until is actually in open beta.
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I'm just tired of people going afk five times in an instance due to 'mom agro'.
I've had to go afk in an instance due to wife aggro.
AOC might be the next big thing, but rushing the release will be a damper on it. I would rather they move it back, if they find major problems with it in beta.
AoC is MY next big thing because of all of the innovations it is bringing to the table. "Next Big Thing" shouldn't be judged by number of users but rather by how far a game pushes the genre. I'm lucky to have had my 5 year old computer finally crap out on me which gives me a rather solid excuse to build a new system for this game. Timing couldn't possibly be better!
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AoC is MY next big thing because of all of the innovations it is bringing to the table. "Next Big Thing" shouldn't be judged by number of users but rather by how far a game pushes the genre. I'm lucky to have had my 5 year old computer finally crap out on me which gives me a rather solid excuse to build a new system for this game. Timing couldn't possibly be better!
Thats my situation, but xbox 360 or PC? i doubt i can afford a pc which runs the game as good as 360.
Part of a game's success depends on how big the company is that makes it and how much they promote it. A tiny company that has very little money can make a better game than a giant that can spend millions.
That is sooo romantic, you should write poems.
Do you, the OP (and people like you) actualy feal better if the game you are playing is considered big or whatever you wanna call it?
Part of a game's success depends on how big the company is that makes it and how much they promote it. A tiny company that has very little money can make a better game than a giant that can spend millions.
That is sooo romantic, you should write poems.
Do you, the OP (and people like you) actualy feal better if the game you are playing is considered big or whatever you wanna call it?
No, personally, I'm hoping it is not the next "big thing". A very large niche playerbase is what I'm hoping for. Plenty of revenue for FC on this and other games, without sacrificing too much in terms of community.
Then again, if it does become much more popular than I think it will, it just might shock developers out of the zombielike stupor of the past few years, and at least get them to try cloning something different for once.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
No, personally, I'm hoping it is not the next "big thing". A very large niche playerbase is what I'm hoping for. Plenty of revenue for FC on this and other games, without sacrificing too much in terms of community.
I feel the same way. I'd rather have a niche, good community then deal with a zerg of ambiguous characters like in WoW.
I sincerely hope to avoid the <Ur Mom's My Epic Mount>(s) in AoC.
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Not only is it "the next big thing" but for a lot of you ,who haven't settles into a game yet, is your last shot at being happy. May the moon spill with blood of Crom for some of you.
No, personally, I'm hoping it is not the next "big thing". A very large niche playerbase is what I'm hoping for. Plenty of revenue for FC on this and other games, without sacrificing too much in terms of community.
I feel the same way. I'd rather have a niche, good community then deal with a zerg of ambiguous characters like in WoW.
I sincerely hope to avoid the <Ur Mom's My Epic Mount>(s) in AoC.
I think this is exactly what your going to get. It will be big but not too big. Mostly due to the fact that it will take some skill and is semi twitch based combat. I am really hoping Conan is exactly what all of you are looking for in a game.
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Not only is it "the next big thing" but for a lot of you ,who haven't settles into a game yet, is your last shot at being happy. May the moon spill with blood of Crom for some of you.
Not the last shot, but close to it for a long time. If I'm willing to wait 3-5 years, The Secret World looks very promising, and Darkfall might be in beta by then...
And who knows whats around the corner? Maybe Blizzard will make a Starcraft MMO without the... quircks that made me hate WOW. Maybe Bioware will take the online world by storm with the quality of games they are well known for.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
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Been let down many times before.
-spellweaving
-soul corruption
-semi to exceptionally realistic mounted combat
-true collision detection, including characters getting the crap trampled out of them by aforementioned cavalry.
-formation combat that actually means something tactically, and doesn't leave players screaming at their leaders to turn it off so they don't all die (Shadowbane anyone?)
-crafting levels advanced by quests, not grinding.
Items that have been used only rarely, and are usually ignored by the average developer:
-skill/level hybrid system, properly done, this embodies the best of both worlds.
-overarching storyline that is constantly and consistantly in motion
-guild city sieges, both PvE and PvP
-voiceover NPC communication with multiple dialogue options
-customizable equipment
Items that have been significantly improved over what is commonly seen on the market:
-Combat AI: A lone enemy might run, set up an ambush and/or get help from its pack/band/nest/etc. before attacking if it feels outmatched. Enemies of all kinds are likely to go for the weakest in a crowd, people trying to "tank" will have to physically block their path.
-out of combat AI: The cities are alive with activity as NPCs fulfill their current "needs". Think a couple hundred Sims left on their own, only these guys don't piss themselves out of stupidity. NPCs, and the people they know, will treat you differently depending on what they know (and what they think they know) about you. For example, that widow you helped out before might wave and give you a much warmer greeting than before you did the related quest, whether or not you actually engage her in conversation.
-Whatever the final result of the debate over raiding may be, Its been shown quite clearly that even if there is any advantage towards raiders and their gear, said advantage is minimal at worst.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
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Dude don't diss He-Man! He could whooop some Conan butt!
He-Man MMO who's with me!
<crickets>
The list of NEW features of AoC is still kind of heresay, since they've barely showed a glimmer in any of it in the videos. Just words on a web page for now. For god sakes, the game is all about PvP, and they haven't shown one decent PvP video yet. Same with working collision Detection. Everything just looks like button mashing and hack n slash that we've been doing in console games for years now. Just sticking it online doesn't make it good.
It'll certainly be a let down for a lot of people hyping it up too much. This is Funcom folks. Their history is quite suspect. I'm just hoping that their combat system doesn't become a laggy mess when 20 players are on screen at once. You think a combat system like that will hold up when you're getting hit by players that look like they've 20 ft away or getting blocked by players that aren't there. In a turn based MMOG, you can kind of get away with it every once in a while, but in an "action game" thats going to get frustrating really quick.
All of those expecting the mature gore will somehow keep "kids" away are living in fairy land=) The only thing that will keep the kids away is the chance of the game sucking, since mature adults are the only ones who play boring MMOGs. The best thing all the high and mighty elitsts can hope for is that AoC is as boring as Eve, so most people avoid it like the plague. FunCom won't be happy, but elitists never care about the finncnial goals of a company;)
Interesting take on the genre, but I think you may be ahead of your time with that idea.
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Look at me, I'm going to make idiotic vaporware conjectures about a game which has more proof of existance than Age of Conan. Good God man grow some balls. As far as we both know AoC could go down the hole before DFO. I was simply pointing out that if you contrast the "next-gen" features of the two games, DFO surpasses AoC. And no DX10 graphics don't count as a feature.
I'm sorry I burst your bubble, but don't get your knickers in a wad about it. AoC might be fun, and they might finish DFO in another 7 years so you can play it then.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on AoC to "go down the hole" before DFO.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
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The 'next big thing'?
Yeah, I think so, at least until WAR comes out...
Do I care about the 'next big thing' though?
Nah... being the biggest dosent make you the best, and I'm with AoC all the way.
I reckon hardcore gamesworkshop fans will be on WAR, sci-fi fans will be on tabula rasa, people addicted to WoW still on WoW and virtually everybody else on AoC in the future. If AoC has the addiction factor WoW has i'm sure it can beat thier 8Mil player base, also since 360 players will be on it also. We need to wait for the AoC comunity to develope first, it hopefully should be more mature.
WATCH THIS: http://uk.media.pc.ign.com/media/743/743392/vid_1513724.html
this video is abit long and not the best made. But still its like 20 minutes going through gameplay in AoC which shows some really awesoem features which you cannot understand well when somebody types them. Shame it doesn't cover any of the large amount fo magic in the game. i'm gona go and contain my excitement
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Please be very careful not to over hype or over extend the possibilities of any game until is actually in open beta.
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Just gimme some truth
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AOC might be the next big thing, but rushing the release will be a damper on it. I would rather they move it back, if they find major problems with it in beta.
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EVE (Closed)
WoW (61 Orc Hunter - Blackwing Lair)
GuildWars (Boring...)
A.) the current beta is not open, you will have to wait untill closer to launch for that I'm afraid.
B.) No, but the developers that are being smart about testing their product do indeed split beta testing up into several phases.
whoops i meant 14 day trials, where anyone can play. will AoC do that?"The new age is upon us, yet the past refuses to rest in its shallow grave."
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That is sooo romantic, you should write poems.
Do you, the OP (and people like you) actualy feal better if the game you are playing is considered big or whatever you wanna call it?
That is sooo romantic, you should write poems.
Do you, the OP (and people like you) actualy feal better if the game you are playing is considered big or whatever you wanna call it?
No, personally, I'm hoping it is not the next "big thing". A very large niche playerbase is what I'm hoping for. Plenty of revenue for FC on this and other games, without sacrificing too much in terms of community.
Then again, if it does become much more popular than I think it will, it just might shock developers out of the zombielike stupor of the past few years, and at least get them to try cloning something different for once.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
I sincerely hope to avoid the <Ur Mom's My Epic Mount>(s) in AoC.
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EVE (Closed)
WoW (61 Orc Hunter - Blackwing Lair)
GuildWars (Boring...)
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I sincerely hope to avoid the <Ur Mom's My Epic Mount>(s) in AoC.
I think this is exactly what your going to get. It will be big but not too big. Mostly due to the fact that it will take some skill and is semi twitch based combat. I am really hoping Conan is exactly what all of you are looking for in a game.
In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect.
Actually the largest playerbase for PC games are in the 25-35 age group.
Console games that's a different matter, probably in the 12-15 age group.
Looking great!
Not the last shot, but close to it for a long time. If I'm willing to wait 3-5 years, The Secret World looks very promising, and Darkfall might be in beta by then...
And who knows whats around the corner? Maybe Blizzard will make a Starcraft MMO without the... quircks that made me hate WOW. Maybe Bioware will take the online world by storm with the quality of games they are well known for.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
New Combat system, new Spell System all fine and dandy, but balancing it will be a true horror.
And an unbalanced PvP Game? Na'ah, sorry, won't play it sir.
Also, it looks sooooo boring to me. I dunno why, but IMO the fights "Barbarians against... well other Barbarians" will get old soon.
I'll touch AoC only VERY carefully.
This can be a true revolutionary gem of the MMO world, but it can just as good be the worst failure due to over-innovation that ever saw the world.