Not a bad first time piece from AJ. Curious what she'll write next. Couple minor faults really. Dancing thing being one.
AJ, try SWG; you get xp for dancing, music, image design and entertainment quests (it has a full entertainer system as a profession, where you can piece together your own music/dancing routines, and change nearly every facet of the character).
Not a bad, and quite amusing read all-round. Curiously you didn't touch on the male-playing-female cybering part of internet gaming.
Heard quite a few horror stories of actual females so desperate for attention that they play on RP servers and participate in such things as cyber. Additionally, they have a new "boy friend" nearly every week. I guess they view it as a graphical messenger. Quite sad and disturbing really.... Most of them are minors.
I have about had it with these ignorant "female gamer" stories, you know what a majority of "female gamers" want? For editorials to quit segregrating (sp?) them off as some kind of second class player. You know what a female gamer is? A gamer, just like everyone else, and they do not need to be constantly referred to as something different.
As for the basis of the article, do men get treated differently in games then women? OF COURSE! Lets look at almost every single fantasy story being pushed down our throats, along with every popular story throughout history. Now take a look at the morals most of us got brought up on, "don't hit girls", "the man walks on the outside to keep the girl safe on the inside", "open the door for the lady", "don't use swear words around ladies", etc etc etc. We have been programmed from birth that it is the mans responsibility to protect the woman, it's an engraved response within most men.
But don't you women worry, with the state of the country and the decline in personal responsibility and accountability, and the decline in family values, you women won't have to worry about us men doing they annoying things like opening the door, pulling out your chair or tossing our jacket over the mud puddle for you.
I don't know guys that do any of that unless they're dating you or want to date you lol my male friends never hold the door for me or pull out my chair and I'm just fine with that. Why? Because I'm not interested in them!! The few non interested in me guys that have ever done this (usually just getting the door to the building) are usually co workers and they're being polite or its just coincidence they get to the door before me (because i tend to take my time sometimes) .
You missed the whole point of this article....its to protect guys from FAKE WOMEN lol!! This article isn't an ignorant female gamer story this is a guys stop thinking with your pants and you wont have a reason to complain about fake females scamming you help article.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
I'm not a gurl, I'm a straight guy, but I don't agree with the #3 point. Real gurl players will say "fine", "okay", or just change the subject (if she knows you) or ignore you (if she doesn't know you). Why? Simple, to a gurl, why should she tell you what happened on her day unless you're one of her "circle" of friends or best friend?
If the gurl "talked" about her day after being asked out-of-the-blue, that is a guy.
Then this: 2. She's violent because it's "that time of the month"
Gurls are not "violent every day of the month", they are not beasts to be violent everyday. But I see your point, I think the examples you gave doesn't fit the point you are trying to make. Camping? KS'ing? A gurl on "that time of the month" is more likely to do just that because she is not feeling well. She is online either because she has to or because she wants to put her mind on something else via an MMO. If it isn't her "time of the month", she will take that effort to go out, quest, and be patient enough not to KS.
And I really don't know why it is #2, I haven't encountered any faker or even a real gurl giving that reason... "it's that time of the month".
Another: 5. She has to go and "wash her hair," "do her nails," etc. You mixed a gurl activity to a general activity. Real gurls do say she's going to wash her hair, take a shower, and other general-type activities. What they do not "usually" say is "do her nails" and the like, "usually" because there are gurls who still tell those reasons, sometimes it isn't even true, just giving out a reason to log-off.
8. Too much pink ?? I don't think so. Maybe there in the US, but in other cultures, pink is "cuteness", "pretty-ness", especially for us Asians, even gurls will choose Pink if given a choice - yes, all-pink. We Asians also take care of how our characters look, and most Asian gamers (who are not farmers) are playing MMOs just for the vanity of it.
Finally this: most girls will take it (and say thank you if she's a lady) Now, you as a guy just admitted that guys don't know how to say thank you. I beg to differ, I say thank you to people who helped me without me asking at all. Yes, even while running, fighting a mob, or getting PK'ed, I take time to say thank you, win or lose, live or die. A thank you is a thank you. Saying 'thank you' is not a gurl thing, it is universal. Either you were not raised by your parents to be good and respectful of others, even to a stranger (trust and respecting a stranger are two different things), or you are just lazy (lazy in the sense that, say you are multi-tasking or talking to a bunch of people, it will be hard to take time to say thank you of course).
Hey, its a good read. Just sharing my opinions. Also I do not know your experiences with guys playing a gurl character, but I'm sure you won't be able to detect me I had four characters in the past that is so believable, until now they still don't believe I own those characters
It was part of my experiments and studies about virtual world and MMOG in general. Hmm... you know, you gave me an idea for an article
Good read.
Other than myself, I also know a couple of guys who people will never believe they own the popular gurl character on their online game Almost all of us are "Role-Playing" Gamers, that explains our secret of perfecting it But no, we don't take advantage of people, and are straight guys hahaha... It's fun, I even Role-Played with a male character who later turned out to be a gurl IRL
The condescending generosity part has always made me laugh a little. I've been part of guilds where they've had no idea I was female, I don't go out of my way to deny it or shove it anyones face. The second I jump on Vent for a raid (or whatever) the next time I log on I'll have a bunch of guys asking if I need help with this, that and the other. Saying we've got it made though? That's a load of BS. If a guy says he's a guy in a guild chat, no one questions it, no one cares, he's just a gamer. If a girl says she's a girl in guild chat, the innevitable response is... prove it. In case you're wondering, the response to that is, bite me! Oh and by the way, I never complain to people online, unless it's a friend and I genuinely have something to complain about. If someone asks me if I had a good day, and I had a good day, I'll say I had a good day. I'm not going ramble to just anyone without need. Way to hit on those stereotypes AJ.
I'm a man myself, and I just detest when vent "changes" after a girl logs on. Why can'we talk about playing on the toilet(this is a joke, if somebody is wondering) or tell a girl/woman she isn't doing something right or needs to improve her playing on Ventrilo?
Yes, I like to be quite the gentleman myself, but that doesn't mean I'm not willing to disagree with or critisize a woman or girl when it is necessary. Generally, I've noticed that in real life the suckers who become totally selfless when around female company, are not very appealing to women. Also if you're too courteous, most women will not be impressed.
One more thing, and yes I know I am guilty of it too in my previous post, but who the hell is this AJ person to make such broad assumptions for all women who play games? I mean did she poll a bunch of women? Where is her facts and statistics to back up her claims?
This should be labeled as an opinion piece and not as an article on gamer girls, because that is all it is, one womans opinion on what she wants. I know several women who play games who could fall on either side of those assumptions.
I mean, it would be like me posting an article on women in journalism and then making some broad assumptions about how female writers are constantly taking on persona's of their male counterparts. I mean, seriously, AJ is commonly seen as a males name, doing a job that was traditionally a male job, in a male dominate industry, who's first piece is about the sexist treatment of women in said industry.
Bah, I have piss and moaned enough, so I will just end with this plea to the MMORPG staff, please, stop with the opinion pieces and have your writers actually start posting NEWS, with FACTS to back it up.
One more thing, and yes I know I am guilty of it too in my previous post, but who the hell is this AJ person to make such broad assumptions for all women who play games? I mean did she poll a bunch of women? Where is her facts and statistics to back up her claims?
This should be labeled as an opinion piece and not as an article on gamer girls, because that is all it is, one womans opinion on what she wants. I know several women who play games who could fall on either side of those assumptions.
I mean, it would be like me posting an article on women in journalism and then making some broad assumptions about how female writers are constantly taking on persona's of their male counterparts. I mean, seriously, AJ is commonly seen as a males name, doing a job that was traditionally a male job, in a male dominate industry, who's first piece is about the sexist treatment of women in said industry.
Bah, I have piss and moaned enough, so I will just end with this plea to the MMORPG staff, please, stop with the opinion pieces and have your writers actually start posting NEWS, with FACTS to back it up.
Are we even reading the same article? Or are you simply hoping for a post count? Its not about any of those things she's not making assumptions simple observations which in my opinion ARE correct since i've witnessed it myself and experienced some of it as a gamer that is female. You're not even female!
I dont know any true gamers (that are female) that fall on the 'bad side' of those assumpitions, a princess or two yea but only role play wise. I know females that play games that DO fall on the 'bad side' but they're not true gamers. The few that might fall on that side that are true gamers are far far far few and inbetween (extremely rare)
btw AJ is not commonly a male name, infact i've never known a male named AJ i've known two girls named AJ though.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Its almost a given that most of the girl toons out there are guys. And although I never volunteer my gender ingame, for the most part most guys leave me alone even though I roll girl toons exclusively. Yeah, guys will give me things and ask if I need help. In general though, its a shock to most guys, nevermind if I've been raiding with the same people for months, that I'm a woman.
That is not to say that women gamers are all serious, I mean I've done my share of naked dances or two with people. However, I had this same discussion with an ingame friend of mine, another woman, and we both agreed that no woman would take her girl toon to a capitol and dance naked on top of the mailbox for money.
I think its important to note that women as well as men are human and that you shouldn't make generalizations on how women behave online. We are made up of individual people you know...and I know my share of "guild princesses" along with some awesome smart women gamers.
Hm, considering I was in a guild for about 7 months on World of Warcraft that I had to actually work in, I find these specifications hard to believe.
I, just as everyone else, was online at 12 PM sharp to begin raid preparations. I maybe got ONE new epic bi-weekly. As far as my epic mount, I was able to purchase that myself at Level 60 Ding because I made the money myself from selling crap on the Auction House.
Just because most girls are annoying little jail baits that want you to show them how to move with WASD doesn't mean they all are.
In any MMO I automatically assume a female character is 'driven' by a male gamer, unless I learn otherwise. And often enough, the girls have some of the toughest chars I've met ingame and I find myself suprised to learn the gamer behind the char is a girl (or woman!) in real life. For example, the best darn Fleet Commander in my entire EvE alliance is a woman and there is not a guy around that can come near her superior expertise in setting up a fleet of pilots, pointing their noses towards the same goal and leading them into and during a battle. And without ever 'acting like a girl'.
I roll women chars as often as I do male ones and I never make it a secret to anyone that I am a guy.
And I never hit on the female populous of the MMO's I play, my wife won't allow it
One more thing, and yes I know I am guilty of it too in my previous post, but who the hell is this AJ person to make such broad assumptions for all women who play games? I mean did she poll a bunch of women? Where is her facts and statistics to back up her claims?
This should be labeled as an opinion piece and not as an article on gamer girls, because that is all it is, one womans opinion on what she wants. I know several women who play games who could fall on either side of those assumptions.
I mean, it would be like me posting an article on women in journalism and then making some broad assumptions about how female writers are constantly taking on persona's of their male counterparts. I mean, seriously, AJ is commonly seen as a males name, doing a job that was traditionally a male job, in a male dominate industry, who's first piece is about the sexist treatment of women in said industry.
Bah, I have piss and moaned enough, so I will just end with this plea to the MMORPG staff, please, stop with the opinion pieces and have your writers actually start posting NEWS, with FACTS to back it up.
Are we even reading the same article? Or are you simply hoping for a post count? Its not about any of those things she's not making assumptions simple observations which in my opinion ARE correct since i've witnessed it myself and experienced some of it as a gamer that is female. You're not even female!
btw AJ is not commonly a male name, infact i've never known a male named AJ i've known two girls named AJ though.
I wonder if we are reading the same article, the one I read listed eight things that this person has observed, formed an opinion about and then touted her opinion as fact for all women. Perhaps you should go back and reread the article, each point in the article is an opinion, an assumption, just because you agree with them, does not make them fact. Now perhaps you can point out the place where AJ listed her sources or the poll she used to reference her "facts".
As for the AJ reference, my "fact" is as valid as the authors, I don't need any statistics or references to back it up, I said it was true, therefore it must be true.
One more thing, and yes I know I am guilty of it too in my previous post, but who the hell is this AJ person to make such broad assumptions for all women who play games? I mean did she poll a bunch of women? Where is her facts and statistics to back up her claims?
This should be labeled as an opinion piece and not as an article on gamer girls, because that is all it is, one womans opinion on what she wants. I know several women who play games who could fall on either side of those assumptions.
I mean, it would be like me posting an article on women in journalism and then making some broad assumptions about how female writers are constantly taking on persona's of their male counterparts. I mean, seriously, AJ is commonly seen as a males name, doing a job that was traditionally a male job, in a male dominate industry, who's first piece is about the sexist treatment of women in said industry.
Bah, I have piss and moaned enough, so I will just end with this plea to the MMORPG staff, please, stop with the opinion pieces and have your writers actually start posting NEWS, with FACTS to back it up.
Are we even reading the same article? Or are you simply hoping for a post count? Its not about any of those things she's not making assumptions simple observations which in my opinion ARE correct since i've witnessed it myself and experienced some of it as a gamer that is female. You're not even female!
btw AJ is not commonly a male name, infact i've never known a male named AJ i've known two girls named AJ though.
I wonder if we are reading the same article, the one I read listed eight things that this person has observed, formed an opinion about and then touted her opinion as fact for all women. Perhaps you should go back and reread the article, each point in the article is an opinion, an assumption, just because you agree with them, does not make them fact. Now perhaps you can point out the place where AJ listed her sources or the poll she used to reference her "facts".
As for the AJ reference, my "fact" is as valid as the authors, I don't need any statistics or references to back it up, I said it was true, therefore it must be true.
In my experience it is a fact and honestly you still miss intepreted the meaning for the article its not to generalize females its to help you dumb males who complain about getting scammed by FAKE ONES! Yes there are going to be some girls that might fall into one of the listed items, but if you get a GUY pretending to be a girl they're going to fall into SEVERAL if not all of them all at once unless they're really that good of an actor.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
One more thing, and yes I know I am guilty of it too in my previous post, but who the hell is this AJ person to make such broad assumptions for all women who play games? I mean did she poll a bunch of women? Where is her facts and statistics to back up her claims?
This should be labeled as an opinion piece and not as an article on gamer girls, because that is all it is, one womans opinion on what she wants. I know several women who play games who could fall on either side of those assumptions.
I mean, it would be like me posting an article on women in journalism and then making some broad assumptions about how female writers are constantly taking on persona's of their male counterparts. I mean, seriously, AJ is commonly seen as a males name, doing a job that was traditionally a male job, in a male dominate industry, who's first piece is about the sexist treatment of women in said industry.
Bah, I have piss and moaned enough, so I will just end with this plea to the MMORPG staff, please, stop with the opinion pieces and have your writers actually start posting NEWS, with FACTS to back it up.
Are we even reading the same article? Or are you simply hoping for a post count? Its not about any of those things she's not making assumptions simple observations which in my opinion ARE correct since i've witnessed it myself and experienced some of it as a gamer that is female. You're not even female!
btw AJ is not commonly a male name, infact i've never known a male named AJ i've known two girls named AJ though.
I wonder if we are reading the same article, the one I read listed eight things that this person has observed, formed an opinion about and then touted her opinion as fact for all women. Perhaps you should go back and reread the article, each point in the article is an opinion, an assumption, just because you agree with them, does not make them fact. Now perhaps you can point out the place where AJ listed her sources or the poll she used to reference her "facts".
As for the AJ reference, my "fact" is as valid as the authors, I don't need any statistics or references to back it up, I said it was true, therefore it must be true. And perhaps this is the real issue...why does it matter what gender the writer is? Shouldn't we just take the article on its own merrit? I don't necessarily think its the best article...but not because possibly a man wrote it.
One more thing, and yes I know I am guilty of it too in my previous post, but who the hell is this AJ person to make such broad assumptions for all women who play games? I mean did she poll a bunch of women? Where is her facts and statistics to back up her claims?
This should be labeled as an opinion piece and not as an article on gamer girls, because that is all it is, one womans opinion on what she wants. I know several women who play games who could fall on either side of those assumptions.
I mean, it would be like me posting an article on women in journalism and then making some broad assumptions about how female writers are constantly taking on persona's of their male counterparts. I mean, seriously, AJ is commonly seen as a males name, doing a job that was traditionally a male job, in a male dominate industry, who's first piece is about the sexist treatment of women in said industry.
Bah, I have piss and moaned enough, so I will just end with this plea to the MMORPG staff, please, stop with the opinion pieces and have your writers actually start posting NEWS, with FACTS to back it up.
Are we even reading the same article? Or are you simply hoping for a post count? Its not about any of those things she's not making assumptions simple observations which in my opinion ARE correct since i've witnessed it myself and experienced some of it as a gamer that is female. You're not even female!
btw AJ is not commonly a male name, infact i've never known a male named AJ i've known two girls named AJ though.
I wonder if we are reading the same article, the one I read listed eight things that this person has observed, formed an opinion about and then touted her opinion as fact for all women. Perhaps you should go back and reread the article, each point in the article is an opinion, an assumption, just because you agree with them, does not make them fact. Now perhaps you can point out the place where AJ listed her sources or the poll she used to reference her "facts".
As for the AJ reference, my "fact" is as valid as the authors, I don't need any statistics or references to back it up, I said it was true, therefore it must be true.
In my experience it is a fact and honestly you still miss intepreted the meaning for the article its not to generalize females its to help you dumb males who complain about getting scammed by FAKE ONES! Yes there are going to be some girls that might fall into one of the listed items, but if you get a GUY pretending to be a girl they're going to fall into SEVERAL if not all of them all at once unless they're really that good of an actor.
I don't think that the author meant for that article to be taken seriously.
- How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?
- I don't know, but some people without brains do an awful lot of talking, don't they?
Your next one should be about players who log into games to try and hook up with other players. The problem has never been males who play females, it's been about males (or females) who play to try and "pick up" a mate. After all, it wouldn't matter what gender the other player really is if you weren't trying to schedule a secret rendezvous at some point.
I am going to start offering a new service. You pay me to hit you people on the head. Jeez, what is all the fuss about male or female? It is a GAME! Hello it is called ROLEPLAYING! I dont give a shit about real life! if whilst playing I meet a female character I will consider her female and if I meet a male I would consider him male. END OF STORY. Asking for gender is a disrespect to both the person and the very idea of RP. If you are bothered with real life go live a real life cause you suck at MMORPG.
Although the article does point out some things it is truly just an opinion which can be easily contradicted. Matter of fact both me and my girlfriend are heavy gamers and have female characters, and I must say that often my female characters appear more female than hers just becasue I can emulate her attitudes too well at seeing them every day. I actually chat much more than her and one of my characters is very bad tempered and grumbles a lot (cause I deemed to RP her like that). I guess if my girlfriend had to create a male he would be more real than any of my males. Lol when all of us play we tend to put into our characters too much of the good we believe we have. When others play with our gender they play with what they really see.
It may be true that some girls may not seem very good gamers (especially PVP), but hey they often do not loose themselves in a frenetic race to level and own, and you know what?, that makes them the best gamers for they take it easy and realy enjoy the story and the fun and don't make such a fuss if they loose. Most of the RP players I know are male however the best true RP players I know are female. Absolutely no one can generalise and this is just my opinion as much as the author in the article expressed his/her opinion.
Hey RP is all about experiencing other worlds and other boots. If you guys out there think that playing the opposite gender makes you a transvestite then I am sorry but either you have to grow up or you have to learn what RP is all about. As a male I find that playing a female character in role play is the maximum experience for it allows me to emulate the hell of a universe I love but I will never understand :P
FFS ppl lets play shall we
To wannabe or not to wannabe? Hey I know the answer and it is not 42!
You know what, while this could be taken as a guide to help guys act more like gamer girls, I person take it as a guide to help me make guys things I'm a guy. Maybe then they will just leve me alone, lol. No, really, I play games generaly to do something, not to hang out with random strangers.
Though I have to say, I tend to make my character dance over and over again, but then again, I am amused easily and bored quickly, so that my just be me. Also sometimes I make a character to dress skimpy, and make, well... sluty, just because I can.
Anywho, great artical, I loved it. In fact I think I will show some of my guy friends... yeah, who insite on makeing female characters, can't blame them really, most male characters are preaty dorky looking.
You know, this topic comes up over and over again, and it's rarely without an underlying topic of homophobia. When, as a grrl gamer (48 years old, gaming multiplayer online games since early MUDs, RPGs since late 70's, wargames since early 70's) I play an MMORPG character, it's about 2/3 likely to be female, in my experience. The stronger the RP in the RPG, the more likely my avatars will be female.
But you know, no one ever writes an article about how to spot a woman playing a guy. And you know why? Because no one feels uncomfortable about being manipulated by women playing guys.
For you guys out there who feel uncomfortable being manipulated by females (ersatz or not), I have one recommendation:
Therapy.
Get over yourself. Get over your ability for your gut, your "chivalrous" conditioning, or some anatomy lower down allowing you to be manipulated by half the human race. This will plague you forever. It will hurt you in RL business and social contacts.
Women are real people. I don't enjoy people assuming that, because I'm female, I need *extra* help, more than if I were a man. I don't enjoy people assuming that I am trying to manipulate them because I'm female. I don't like people assuming that, if I *do* accept help, I am saying it's ok for some guy to hit on me (something that, I think, would be called harassment in an office situation).
But this attitude that women -- or people who try to play women -- are evil (after sex, after extra help, making a fool of you or your friends) is an issue that lives in men's heads. It's a product of misogyny and homophobia. And if it's perpetuated by people who use it, it's because men who are manipulable do not make the effort to wake up, get their brains in a pile, and change their own behavior triggers.
It's not us guys! It's not the women, and it's not the guys-playing-women. It's you. Stop being vulnerable, and smack your friends when they fall prey to their own worst impulses.
Get over your collective selves, please!
Gold farmers don't kill games, people who buy gold kill games. If there weren't a market for griefers, there wouldn't be the kinds of various grief we see. Whiney female AVs who take advantage...of whatever...are there because people not only tolerate but regularly reward the behavior.
I've been competing with the sleek manipulative women in the business environment my whole life who thing a bit more fashion and makeup and a few fewer pounds gives them an advantage -- and I see that playing out *successfully* regardless of merit, skill, intelligence, or a record of performance -- because...uh..guys will be guys, and women won't speak out. So guys, get over it; and women, speak out for integrity in female AVs of whatever gender of player.
Sometimes games are just a magnifying glass for our RL pathologies.
You know, this topic comes up over and over again, and it's rarely without an underlying topic of homophobia. When, as a grrl gamer (48 years old, gaming multiplayer online games since early MUDs, RPGs since late 70's, wargames since early 70's) I play an MMORPG character, it's about 2/3 likely to be female, in my experience. The stronger the RP in the RPG, the more likely my avatars will be female.
But you know, no one ever writes an article about how to spot a woman playing a guy. And you know why? Because no one feels uncomfortable about being manipulated by women playing guys.
For you guys out there who feel uncomfortable being manipulated by females (ersatz or not), I have one recommendation:
Therapy.
Get over yourself. Get over your ability for your gut, your "chivalrous" conditioning, or some anatomy lower down allowing you to be manipulated by half the human race. This will plague you forever. It will hurt you in RL business and social contacts.
Women are real people. I don't enjoy people assuming that, because I'm female, I need *extra* help, more than if I were a man. I don't enjoy people assuming that I am trying to manipulate them because I'm female. I don't like people assuming that, if I *do* accept help, I am saying it's ok for some guy to hit on me (something that, I think, would be called harassment in an office situation).
But this attitude that women -- or people who try to play women -- are evil (after sex, after extra help, making a fool of you or your friends) is an issue that lives in men's heads. It's a product of misogyny and homophobia. And if it's perpetuated by people who use it, it's because men who are manipulable do not make the effort to wake up, get their brains in a pile, and change their own behavior triggers.
It's not us guys! It's not the women, and it's not the guys-playing-women. It's you. Stop being vulnerable, and smack your friends when they fall prey to their own worst impulses.
Get over your collective selves, please!
Gold farmers don't kill games, people who buy gold kill games. If there weren't a market for griefers, there wouldn't be the kinds of various grief we see. Whiney female AVs who take advantage...of whatever...are there because people not only tolerate but regularly reward the behavior.
I've been competing with the sleek manipulative women in the business environment my whole life who thing a bit more fashion and makeup and a few fewer pounds gives them an advantage -- and I see that playing out *successfully* regardless of merit, skill, intelligence, or a record of performance -- because...uh..guys will be guys, and women won't speak out. So guys, get over it; and women, speak out for integrity in female AVs of whatever gender of player.
Sometimes games are just a magnifying glass for our RL pathologies.
Shava
While I understand the intent of your post, I think you missed the intention of the OP.
I played with a female avatar in an online game and "she" started coming on to me, saying "hun" and other things to make me believe he was a "she".
I thought it was weird, and it really creeped me out, then he, she, it or whatever it was asked me to cyber and I said - I really don't want to cyber with a guy playing a female avatar. (not that I want to cyber with anyone mind you)
He replied - "ah why did you have to spoil all the fun!"
Sorry what is fun for he,she or it is not fun for me - specially when I'm being baited and I am an unwilling participant. What he tried ot do with me is sick and dishonest.
So maybe Shava you should rethink your post.
Your post sounded more like to me that you're the one with the "issues"
Who cares if Joe wants to be Jane? why does it matter? Does it affect his ability to play absolutely not.
people make such a big deal about this incredibly trivial issue.
If Joe wants to play a Jane its nobodies business who he is behind the screen anyway. If someone wants to give Joe things cause they think there being nice to Jane, Heh they are probably hoping for some twisted little reward in return.Wanna those you're hot wow you wanna do it? huh.. huh.. uh... huh.. huh..
It boils down to the fact that it is really nobodies damn business who anyone else is in RL.
I tell tell all beggers the same thing: Go earn it. I'm not a bank.
If you're giving her stuff cause you think shes "Hot" then here is my advice: Go rest at an inn. Turn off the game, and go outside and you'll see that wow! there is a real world out there with REAL women that you can TALK to without typing! That life DOES exist outside of the game world.
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Heard quite a few horror stories of actual females so desperate for attention that they play on RP servers and participate in such things as cyber. Additionally, they have a new "boy friend" nearly every week. I guess they view it as a graphical messenger. Quite sad and disturbing really.... Most of them are minors.
You missed the whole point of this article....its to protect guys from FAKE WOMEN lol!! This article isn't an ignorant female gamer story this is a guys stop thinking with your pants and you wont have a reason to complain about fake females scamming you help article.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
I'm not a gurl, I'm a straight guy, but I don't agree with the #3 point. Real gurl players will say "fine", "okay", or just change the subject (if she knows you) or ignore you (if she doesn't know you). Why? Simple, to a gurl, why should she tell you what happened on her day unless you're one of her "circle" of friends or best friend?
If the gurl "talked" about her day after being asked out-of-the-blue, that is a guy.
Then this: 2. She's violent because it's "that time of the month"
Gurls are not "violent every day of the month", they are not beasts to be violent everyday. But I see your point, I think the examples you gave doesn't fit the point you are trying to make. Camping? KS'ing? A gurl on "that time of the month" is more likely to do just that because she is not feeling well. She is online either because she has to or because she wants to put her mind on something else via an MMO. If it isn't her "time of the month", she will take that effort to go out, quest, and be patient enough not to KS.
And I really don't know why it is #2, I haven't encountered any faker or even a real gurl giving that reason... "it's that time of the month".
Another: 5. She has to go and "wash her hair," "do her nails," etc.
You mixed a gurl activity to a general activity. Real gurls do say she's going to wash her hair, take a shower, and other general-type activities. What they do not "usually" say is "do her nails" and the like, "usually" because there are gurls who still tell those reasons, sometimes it isn't even true, just giving out a reason to log-off.
8. Too much pink ??
I don't think so. Maybe there in the US, but in other cultures, pink is "cuteness", "pretty-ness", especially for us Asians, even gurls will choose Pink if given a choice - yes, all-pink. We Asians also take care of how our characters look, and most Asian gamers (who are not farmers) are playing MMOs just for the vanity of it.
Finally this: most girls will take it (and say thank you if she's a lady)
Now, you as a guy just admitted that guys don't know how to say thank you. I beg to differ, I say thank you to people who helped me without me asking at all. Yes, even while running, fighting a mob, or getting PK'ed, I take time to say thank you, win or lose, live or die. A thank you is a thank you. Saying 'thank you' is not a gurl thing, it is universal. Either you were not raised by your parents to be good and respectful of others, even to a stranger (trust and respecting a stranger are two different things), or you are just lazy (lazy in the sense that, say you are multi-tasking or talking to a bunch of people, it will be hard to take time to say thank you of course).
Hey, its a good read. Just sharing my opinions. Also I do not know your experiences with guys playing a gurl character, but I'm sure you won't be able to detect me
It was part of my experiments and studies about virtual world and MMOG in general. Hmm... you know, you gave me an idea for an article
Good read.
Other than myself, I also know a couple of guys who people will never believe they own the popular gurl character on their online game
Almost all of us are "Role-Playing" Gamers, that explains our secret of perfecting it 
But no, we don't take advantage of people, and are straight guys 
hahaha... It's fun, I even Role-Played with a male character who later turned out to be a gurl IRL 
Yes, I like to be quite the gentleman myself, but that doesn't mean I'm not willing to disagree with or critisize a woman or girl when it is necessary. Generally, I've noticed that in real life the suckers who become totally selfless when around female company, are not very appealing to women. Also if you're too courteous, most women will not be impressed.
This should be labeled as an opinion piece and not as an article on gamer girls, because that is all it is, one womans opinion on what she wants. I know several women who play games who could fall on either side of those assumptions.
I mean, it would be like me posting an article on women in journalism and then making some broad assumptions about how female writers are constantly taking on persona's of their male counterparts. I mean, seriously, AJ is commonly seen as a males name, doing a job that was traditionally a male job, in a male dominate industry, who's first piece is about the sexist treatment of women in said industry.
Bah, I have piss and moaned enough, so I will just end with this plea to the MMORPG staff, please, stop with the opinion pieces and have your writers actually start posting NEWS, with FACTS to back it up.
no other way to put it
sad but true
always has been, always will be
nothing else to say
You know what would be truly ironic?
If the writer of this article were actually a guy, and using the persona of a female in order to get more responses to his writing....
Apply lemon juice and candle flame here to reveal secret message.
Are we even reading the same article? Or are you simply hoping for a post count? Its not about any of those things she's not making assumptions simple observations which in my opinion ARE correct since i've witnessed it myself and experienced some of it as a gamer that is female. You're not even female!
I dont know any true gamers (that are female) that fall on the 'bad side' of those assumpitions, a princess or two yea but only role play wise. I know females that play games that DO fall on the 'bad side' but they're not true gamers. The few that might fall on that side that are true gamers are far far far few and inbetween (extremely rare)
btw AJ is not commonly a male name, infact i've never known a male named AJ i've known two girls named AJ though.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
no other way to put it
sad but true
always has been, always will be
nothing else to say
The human ability to blatantly generalize never ceases to amaze me. (That goes for both of you goons!Sad but true.
Always has been, always will be.
Nothing else to say.
That is not to say that women gamers are all serious, I mean I've done my share of naked dances or two with people. However, I had this same discussion with an ingame friend of mine, another woman, and we both agreed that no woman would take her girl toon to a capitol and dance naked on top of the mailbox for money
I think its important to note that women as well as men are human and that you shouldn't make generalizations on how women behave online. We are made up of individual people you know...and I know my share of "guild princesses" along with some awesome smart women gamers.
Hm, considering I was in a guild for about 7 months on World of Warcraft that I had to actually work in, I find these specifications hard to believe.
I, just as everyone else, was online at 12 PM sharp to begin raid preparations. I maybe got ONE new epic bi-weekly. As far as my epic mount, I was able to purchase that myself at Level 60 Ding because I made the money myself from selling crap on the Auction House.
Just because most girls are annoying little jail baits that want you to show them how to move with WASD doesn't mean they all are.
I roll women chars as often as I do male ones and I never make it a secret to anyone that I am a guy.
And I never hit on the female populous of the MMO's I play, my wife won't allow it
Are we even reading the same article? Or are you simply hoping for a post count? Its not about any of those things she's not making assumptions simple observations which in my opinion ARE correct since i've witnessed it myself and experienced some of it as a gamer that is female. You're not even female!
btw AJ is not commonly a male name, infact i've never known a male named AJ i've known two girls named AJ though.
I wonder if we are reading the same article, the one I read listed eight things that this person has observed, formed an opinion about and then touted her opinion as fact for all women. Perhaps you should go back and reread the article, each point in the article is an opinion, an assumption, just because you agree with them, does not make them fact. Now perhaps you can point out the place where AJ listed her sources or the poll she used to reference her "facts".
As for the AJ reference, my "fact" is as valid as the authors, I don't need any statistics or references to back it up, I said it was true, therefore it must be true.Are we even reading the same article? Or are you simply hoping for a post count? Its not about any of those things she's not making assumptions simple observations which in my opinion ARE correct since i've witnessed it myself and experienced some of it as a gamer that is female. You're not even female!
btw AJ is not commonly a male name, infact i've never known a male named AJ i've known two girls named AJ though.
I wonder if we are reading the same article, the one I read listed eight things that this person has observed, formed an opinion about and then touted her opinion as fact for all women. Perhaps you should go back and reread the article, each point in the article is an opinion, an assumption, just because you agree with them, does not make them fact. Now perhaps you can point out the place where AJ listed her sources or the poll she used to reference her "facts".
As for the AJ reference, my "fact" is as valid as the authors, I don't need any statistics or references to back it up, I said it was true, therefore it must be true.In my experience it is a fact and honestly you still miss intepreted the meaning for the article its not to generalize females its to help you dumb males who complain about getting scammed by FAKE ONES! Yes there are going to be some girls that might fall into one of the listed items, but if you get a GUY pretending to be a girl they're going to fall into SEVERAL if not all of them all at once unless they're really that good of an actor.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Are we even reading the same article? Or are you simply hoping for a post count? Its not about any of those things she's not making assumptions simple observations which in my opinion ARE correct since i've witnessed it myself and experienced some of it as a gamer that is female. You're not even female!
btw AJ is not commonly a male name, infact i've never known a male named AJ i've known two girls named AJ though.
I wonder if we are reading the same article, the one I read listed eight things that this person has observed, formed an opinion about and then touted her opinion as fact for all women. Perhaps you should go back and reread the article, each point in the article is an opinion, an assumption, just because you agree with them, does not make them fact. Now perhaps you can point out the place where AJ listed her sources or the poll she used to reference her "facts".
As for the AJ reference, my "fact" is as valid as the authors, I don't need any statistics or references to back it up, I said it was true, therefore it must be true. And perhaps this is the real issue...why does it matter what gender the writer is? Shouldn't we just take the article on its own merrit? I don't necessarily think its the best article...but not because possibly a man wrote it.Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Are we even reading the same article? Or are you simply hoping for a post count? Its not about any of those things she's not making assumptions simple observations which in my opinion ARE correct since i've witnessed it myself and experienced some of it as a gamer that is female. You're not even female!
btw AJ is not commonly a male name, infact i've never known a male named AJ i've known two girls named AJ though.
I wonder if we are reading the same article, the one I read listed eight things that this person has observed, formed an opinion about and then touted her opinion as fact for all women. Perhaps you should go back and reread the article, each point in the article is an opinion, an assumption, just because you agree with them, does not make them fact. Now perhaps you can point out the place where AJ listed her sources or the poll she used to reference her "facts".
As for the AJ reference, my "fact" is as valid as the authors, I don't need any statistics or references to back it up, I said it was true, therefore it must be true.In my experience it is a fact and honestly you still miss intepreted the meaning for the article its not to generalize females its to help you dumb males who complain about getting scammed by FAKE ONES! Yes there are going to be some girls that might fall into one of the listed items, but if you get a GUY pretending to be a girl they're going to fall into SEVERAL if not all of them all at once unless they're really that good of an actor.
I don't think that the author meant for that article to be taken seriously.- How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?
- I don't know, but some people without brains do an awful lot of talking, don't they?
Your next one should be about players who log into games to try and hook up with other players. The problem has never been males who play females, it's been about males (or females) who play to try and "pick up" a mate. After all, it wouldn't matter what gender the other player really is if you weren't trying to schedule a secret rendezvous at some point.
-Raenz-
I am going to start offering a new service. You pay me to hit you people on the head.
Jeez, what is all the fuss about male or female? It is a GAME! Hello it is called ROLEPLAYING! I dont give a shit about real life! if whilst playing I meet a female character I will consider her female and if I meet a male I would consider him male. END OF STORY. Asking for gender is a disrespect to both the person and the very idea of RP. If you are bothered with real life go live a real life cause you suck at MMORPG.
Although the article does point out some things it is truly just an opinion which can be easily contradicted. Matter of fact both me and my girlfriend are heavy gamers and have female characters, and I must say that often my female characters appear more female than hers just becasue I can emulate her attitudes too well at seeing them every day. I actually chat much more than her and one of my characters is very bad tempered and grumbles a lot (cause I deemed to RP her like that). I guess if my girlfriend had to create a male he would be more real than any of my males. Lol when all of us play we tend to put into our characters too much of the good we believe we have. When others play with our gender they play with what they really see.
It may be true that some girls may not seem very good gamers (especially PVP), but hey they often do not loose themselves in a frenetic race to level and own, and you know what?, that makes them the best gamers for they take it easy and realy enjoy the story and the fun and don't make such a fuss if they loose. Most of the RP players I know are male however the best true RP players I know are female. Absolutely no one can generalise and this is just my opinion as much as the author in the article expressed his/her opinion.
Hey RP is all about experiencing other worlds and other boots. If you guys out there think that playing the opposite gender makes you a transvestite then I am sorry but either you have to grow up or you have to learn what RP is all about. As a male I find that playing a female character in role play is the maximum experience for it allows me to emulate the hell of a universe I love but I will never understand :P
FFS ppl lets play shall we
To wannabe or not to wannabe? Hey I know the answer and it is not 42!
You know what, while this could be taken as a guide to help guys act more like gamer girls, I person take it as a guide to help me make guys things I'm a guy. Maybe then they will just leve me alone, lol. No, really, I play games generaly to do something, not to hang out with random strangers.
Though I have to say, I tend to make my character dance over and over again, but then again, I am amused easily and bored quickly, so that my just be me. Also sometimes I make a character to dress skimpy, and make, well... sluty, just because I can.
Anywho, great artical, I loved it. In fact I think I will show some of my guy friends... yeah, who insite on makeing female characters, can't blame them really, most male characters are preaty dorky looking.
Dee Dee Dee!
But you know, no one ever writes an article about how to spot a woman playing a guy. And you know why? Because no one feels uncomfortable about being manipulated by women playing guys.
For you guys out there who feel uncomfortable being manipulated by females (ersatz or not), I have one recommendation:
Therapy.
Get over yourself. Get over your ability for your gut, your "chivalrous" conditioning, or some anatomy lower down allowing you to be manipulated by half the human race. This will plague you forever. It will hurt you in RL business and social contacts.
Women are real people. I don't enjoy people assuming that, because I'm female, I need *extra* help, more than if I were a man. I don't enjoy people assuming that I am trying to manipulate them because I'm female. I don't like people assuming that, if I *do* accept help, I am saying it's ok for some guy to hit on me (something that, I think, would be called harassment in an office situation).
But this attitude that women -- or people who try to play women -- are evil (after sex, after extra help, making a fool of you or your friends) is an issue that lives in men's heads. It's a product of misogyny and homophobia. And if it's perpetuated by people who use it, it's because men who are manipulable do not make the effort to wake up, get their brains in a pile, and change their own behavior triggers.
It's not us guys! It's not the women, and it's not the guys-playing-women. It's you. Stop being vulnerable, and smack your friends when they fall prey to their own worst impulses.
Get over your collective selves, please!
Gold farmers don't kill games, people who buy gold kill games. If there weren't a market for griefers, there wouldn't be the kinds of various grief we see. Whiney female AVs who take advantage...of whatever...are there because people not only tolerate but regularly reward the behavior.
I've been competing with the sleek manipulative women in the business environment my whole life who thing a bit more fashion and makeup and a few fewer pounds gives them an advantage -- and I see that playing out *successfully* regardless of merit, skill, intelligence, or a record of performance -- because...uh..guys will be guys, and women won't speak out. So guys, get over it; and women, speak out for integrity in female AVs of whatever gender of player.
Sometimes games are just a magnifying glass for our RL pathologies.
Shava
They wouldn't let me raid with them for a week. Women gamers, nasty bits of work :P
While I understand the intent of your post, I think you missed the intention of the OP.
I played with a female avatar in an online game and "she" started coming on to me, saying "hun" and other things to make me believe he was a "she".
I thought it was weird, and it really creeped me out, then he, she, it or whatever it was asked me to cyber and I said - I really don't want to cyber with a guy playing a female avatar. (not that I want to cyber with anyone mind you)
He replied - "ah why did you have to spoil all the fun!"
Sorry what is fun for he,she or it is not fun for me - specially when I'm being baited and I am an unwilling participant. What he tried ot do with me is sick and dishonest.
So maybe Shava you should rethink your post.
Your post sounded more like to me that you're the one with the "issues"
Lighten up.
Who cares if Joe wants to be Jane? why does it matter? Does it affect his ability to play absolutely not.
people make such a big deal about this incredibly trivial issue.
If Joe wants to play a Jane its nobodies business who he is behind the screen anyway. If someone wants to give Joe things cause they think there being nice to Jane, Heh they are probably hoping for some twisted little reward in return.Wanna those you're hot wow you wanna do it? huh.. huh.. uh... huh.. huh..
It boils down to the fact that it is really nobodies damn business who anyone else is in RL.
I tell tell all beggers the same thing: Go earn it. I'm not a bank.
If you're giving her stuff cause you think shes "Hot" then here is my advice: Go rest at an inn. Turn off the game, and go outside and you'll see that wow! there is a real world out there with REAL women that you can TALK to without typing! That life DOES exist outside of the game world.
Raven