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Ron Paul '08
strongaxe
Member Posts: 848
So anyone else want Ron Paul to be our next president?
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Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
shall we not support the one guy who wants less power and less of our money?
its not just mmorpg.com. pretty much every online poll he wins. his campaign is using the internet better than anyone, as he doesnt have the bankroll to brainwash you sheeple like the romneys and clintons do. his youtube site is the most subscribed of any canidate. barely ahead of barrack husein obama, but well ahead of everyone else
Paul - 5,679
Obama - 5,678
Clinton - 2,998
Edwards - 2,750
Romney - 1,977
Kucinich - 1,685
Giuliani - 1,370
McCain - 1,233
Gravel - 824
Richardson - 756
Biden - 582
Hunter - 381
Dodd - 221
Huckabee - 187
Tancredo - 166
Brownback - 86
Gilmore - 40
the more people that actualy look into it more than watching cnn for 10 minutes, the more people will like the guy. the trick is having them vote for him even though the media wrote him off the day he declared.
bottom line is hes getting alot of support for some guy who was about 15th on the rung a few months ago, my guess is he will run as libertarian and i hope alot of people vote for him. no he wont win as one, but its the first step especialy if he gets the % of votes to get the libertairian party an equal slice of that $$$ come next election.
Because we all know that everything that you read on the internet is true right?
Ron Paul isn't going to be elected President...the sooner you accept that fact the sooner you can find a more viable candidate that deserves your vote. Or the sooner you can decide to not vote at all.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Besides, it wouldn't be the first time I voted for a man I knew had absolutely no chance of winning the presidency. When I'm presented with two equally distasteful choices, I tend to find a third option, even if it isn't realistic. If I loathe both party's choices enough, I tend to feel my vote is worthless in choosing the next president, so I might as well do something better with it. Voting for a third party does make an impact in certain areas. Just not the one's we're looking at here. There is no such thing as 'wasting' your vote.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
hey lets vote for who they tell us!
just curious why you dont like the guy. here are af ew things about him that im sure you dont know or probably dont care because tv hasnt told you to care.
* He has never voted to raise taxes.
* He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
* He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
* He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
* He has never taken a government-paid junket.
* He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
* He voted against the Patriot Act.
* He voted against regulating the Internet.
* He voted against the Iraq war.
* He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
* He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2247774663533107477
Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.
This man is the ONLY canadiate to candidate to put his pen where his mouth is. He signed a document promising to restore the US Constitution.
Ron is awesome, he took LIVE calls on C-SPAN. Check it out to see where Ron stands on many issues: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2771662541893688122
It has nothing to do with voting for whoever I'm told to vote for, and everything to do with Ron Paul's unrealistic ideas about global politics. Yes, classical conservatism is very much an isolationist view in which the only global policies are things like trade and other diplomatic relations...but in today's political climate, Ron Paul's ideals are just not feasable. The fact that Ron Paul believes that Islamic terrorism is a preventable result of the United States' involvement in the middle east, is laughable. I'm sorry but I just can't vote for a man who is that nieve about something like that.
And FYI...I don't watch FOX news, I don't watch CNN, and I don't watch MSNBC. My opinions of Ron Paul are drawn SOLEY from watching the debates that he has been in.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
and thats exactly what im talking about. as soona s rudy jumped in , putting words in his mouth i thought, 'man i bet 9/10 of the sheeple out there stoop up and cheered.
but all rudy did was lie and prove his own ignorance. yeah it was probably a good move because , obvoiusly ^^, it works on alot of people.
paul did nothing but repeat what was in the 9/11 Commission Report report, yet guilaini never heard that before? page 51 rudy, you made millions off it might as well read the report.
Michael Scheuer and Ron are going to be doing a press conference tomorrow.
Draenor, who's the conspiracy theorist now? Sean Hannity called someone who believed in the 9/11 Commission report's take on Osama Bin Laden as a conspiracy theorist a couple days ago. Are you going to follow in Sean's shoes?
Ron Paul actually wants to catch Osama Bin Laden. Nobody else seems to give a sh*t about Osama anymore. They think occupying Iraq is hard on terror lol, it's a total joke. To quote Ron Paul "let's declare it in Congress, fight it to win it, and get out of there.". Ron Paul is concerned about Osama and would go after him, but it's hard when everything is so f'ed up in Iraq and our military is stretched. Yep....we're really safe right now
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
and thats exactly what im talking about. as soona s rudy jumped in , putting words in his mouth i thought, 'man i bet 9/10 of the sheeple out there stoop up and cheered.
but all rudy did was lie and prove his own ignorance. yeah it was probably a good move because , obvoiusly ^^, it works on alot of people.
paul did nothing but repeat what was in the 9/11 Commission Report report, yet guilaini never heard that before? page 51 rudy, you made millions off it might as well read the report.
I totaly agree. It is sad that so many people are buying the amount of BS spewing from the television. Rudy is a joke and will be no better than Bush, corporate man all the way.
The Brave Do Not Fear The Grave
Right now Paul is being talked about on the news a lot because of the controversy. Most of America (70%) want out of Iraq, this means the Republican Party only has one chance of winning and that's with Ron Paul. If ron Paul doesn't get nominated then the Democrats WILL win...make no doubt about it. Right now in the polls and in the exposure and support, we can see that Hillary and Obama are both going to be able to beat any generic neocon Republican. Ron Paul is getting Democrats to convert to the Republican party simply to vote for him.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
Very interesting! Vote Obama for President!
I just thought it would be good to talk about soccer! It's an off-topic discussion forum.
Sorry wrong discussion forum!!! The above message was supposed to go somewhere else!
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We also understand that more American's consider themselves "Independents" than Republican or Democrat. Those two parties do not speak for American's anymore and more and more people are recognizing that each day.
Just give us the time. That's all we need and we know that. I'm absolutely happy with Ron Paul's progress this election. This was a big step.
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and thats exactly what im talking about. as soona s rudy jumped in , putting words in his mouth i thought, 'man i bet 9/10 of the sheeple out there stoop up and cheered.
but all rudy did was lie and prove his own ignorance. yeah it was probably a good move because , obvoiusly ^^, it works on alot of people.
paul did nothing but repeat what was in the 9/11 Commission Report report, yet guilaini never heard that before? page 51 rudy, you made millions off it might as well read the report.
QFT!!!!!!That's all he did was quote the 9-11 Commission Report. But those "in the know" Republican's who cheered in the crowd know so much, don't they?
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We also understand that more American's consider themselves "Independents" than Republican or Democrat. Those two parties do not speak for American's anymore and more and more people are recognizing that each day.
Just give us the time. That's all we need and we know that. I'm absolutely happy with Ron Paul's progress this election. This was a big step.
Ron Paul is running as a republican because people dont respect libertarians and cant get voted in as one. I know I am close friends with the chair here in my state and have been constantly depressed by the number of canidates that leave the party for the dems or repuublicans because how else are they going to get elected? in order for there to be any victory here Paul will have to run as the libertarian choice otherwise it will be more of the same old "libertarians? ha that is the party of the twenty year old white kid who thinks everyones problem is they need a job." You really want to plant seeds move to New Hampshire and join up with Alex. If paul does run as a libertarian though I wonder if he could beat Nader's numbers from the green party? I guess we will see.
We also understand that more American's consider themselves "Independents" than Republican or Democrat. Those two parties do not speak for American's anymore and more and more people are recognizing that each day.
Just give us the time. That's all we need and we know that. I'm absolutely happy with Ron Paul's progress this election. This was a big step.
Ron Paul is running as a republican because people dont respect libertarians and cant get voted in as one. I know I am close friends with the chair here in my state and have been constantly depressed by the number of canidates that leave the party for the dems or repuublicans because how else are they going to get elected? in order for there to be any victory here Paul will have to run as the libertarian choice otherwise it will be more of the same old "libertarians? ha that is the party of the twenty year old white kid who thinks everyones problem is they need a job." You really want to plant seeds move to New Hampshire and join up with Alex. If paul does run as a libertarian though I wonder if he could beat Nader's numbers from the green party? I guess we will see. I hear ya, I feel your pain, and all that goes with it. But here's the way I look at it.
Libertarianism is a philosophy, not a party. I hold absolutely no loyalty to a party. Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Green, Brown, or otherwise. I do hold an absolute loyalty to Libertarian views and principles however. And any party or candidate that presents a platform close to or alike with those views I am going to vote for. I don't care if the candidate had a (C) for Communist after his name, if he said he was for minimal government, bare bones taxation, an end to the "Federal" Reserve, and the government getting out of our individual decision making processes, then I would vote for him/her. It doesn't matter to me that I'm not holding to a party, but it would bother me if I let go of my principles.
That being said, I also know that no party is immune to corruption and greed once things start going for them. This will hold true to the Libertarian Party as well if they are ever the party that gets these Libertarian ideas rolling. They will become just as corrupt as the Democrats and Republican's have become if they ever get power. It's just how things work out. Republican's used to be for smaller government and taxes. Look at them now. And the Democratic Party has had a good past as well, but look at their platform now, it's not any different than the Republican's on shrinking government. They're both the same.
That's the reason I say that I hold no allegiance to a party, but hold absolutely to my principles. So, don't feel bad. Be glad that an individual made it to the point that Ron Paul has, no matter what letter is behind his name. The thing that matters is that our principles were voiced.
As for moving to New Hampshire, I would love to. But finding a job and moving are really tough things to do. Especially when you live out of state. People are more prone to hire someone who doesn't have to make a big move than someone who is as far away as I am. But New Hampshire is a beautiful state. If I knew I had a job there I would pack my shit and move in a heartbeat. I'm not too fond of Texas and the climate and scenery here. It's boring to me.
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When does your strange political system actually release whos ACTUALLY going to be running for president, and not just who wants to be president ? The decision will be made at this years Bilderberg conference which is being held in Istanbul Turkey, May 31st - Jun 3rd.
I know it can sound like Ron Paul is weak on foreign policy and protecting America based on him being against the Iraq war, but he is not. Ron Paul can act decisively and manage a military campaign or full-on War.
Ron Paul is up to the task and here are some points to prove it:
You might also want to separate the War in Iraq from the War on Terror. They are two different topics. Most Americans are now against the Iraq war, so it's easy to discuss how Ron Paul has argued against the war from the beginning...and he was right. Now the argument is mainly 'what are the consequences of leaving', yet still most people agree that we should leave soon.
The War on Terror is still an important issue, however. This can be discussed in the context of how Islamic Fundamentalism is fueled by foreign intervention. You must understand this root cause in order to defeat an enemy that has no standing army. Ron Paul has written volumes on this subject, see: Suicide Terrorism
I just saw Bush speaking live today and he quoted Osama and used the quote as his justification for the Iraq war. So if he can do that then stop attacking Ron Paul for doing it too. Another thing Bush did today was say that Al Qaeda's existence is threatened by our presence in Iraq...Does anybody believe this Bullsh*t? I think after all these years Al Qaeda is able to roll with the punches, there is no surprise attack anymore. If Al Qaeda isn't extinct now then they aren't going to be extinct later using the same strategy, in fact our Iraq occupation fuels them and they have a lot of recruiting power and power in general now.
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Here is more proof that Ron is strong on terrorism.
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/co...1/cr101001.htm
Wednesday, October 10, 2001
Ron Paul....
"Specifically, my [Ron Paul's] legislation authorizes the President to issue letters of marque and reprisal to all appropriate parties to capture Osama bin Laden and other members of al Qaeda or any other persons involved in the September 11 terrorist attacks. The President is also authorized to use part of the $40 billion appropriated by this Congress to respond to the attack, to establish a bounty for the capture of Osama bin Laden. My legislation singles out Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda because the information available to Congress and the American people indicates bin Laden and his organization were responsible for this action. By vesting authority in the President to issue the letters, my legislation ensures that letters of marque and reprisal can be coordinated with the administration's overall strategy to bring the perpetrators of this outrageous act to justice.
Letters of marque and reprisal resolve one of the most vexing problems facing the country: how do we obtain retribution against the perpetrators of the attacks without inflicting massive damage on the Middle East which could drive moderate Arabs into an allegiance with bin Laden and other terrorists. This is because using letters of marque and reprisal shows the people of the region that we are serious when we say our quarrel is not with them but with Osama bin Laden and all others who would dare commit terrorist acts against the United States.
Mr, Speaker, I ask that my colleagues join with me in providing the additional "necessary weapon of war'' and to help defend our fellow citizens, our sovereign nation, and our liberty by cosponsoring the September 11 Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001 and the Air Piracy Reprisal and Capture Act of 2001."
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BLITZER: We're almost out of time, Congressman, but if you were President, what would you do about the Al-Qaeda threat? Forget about Iraq right now. The Al-Qaeda threat, Osama bin Laden, he's still on the loose, what would you do about that threat to the United States?
PAUL: Well, I'd go after him. I voted for the authority, I wish they had done it. We voted for the money, and yet we ignored it. So this is my complaint, that we didn't do what we were supposed to do, and we went and started a war that we shouldn't have. And here we have Osama bin Laden, in Pakistan, they have a nuclear weapon, they have a military dictatorship, they overthrew an elected government, and what do we do when they get nuclear weapons, not following the NPT treaty? We reward them. We give them money. So I'm saying, don't reward people who get nuclear weapons, and then they'll want to get them. That's why Saddam Hussein pretended he had one, because he thought if he had one maybe we'd leave him alone. So it's natural for people like Iran, the leadership in Iran, to want to get a nuclear weapon, because we respect people that have power, and we disrespect people that we think we can run over them and run roughshod over their countries, invade them preemptively, and change their regime. I think it's a bad foreign policy: it's not Republican, it's not conservative, and it's not Constitutional.
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So there you have it folks. This man speaks the truth instead of emotionally charged soundbites.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American